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there is an expression a saying in in in
the Islamic context first we come for
the Saturday people then we come for the
Sunday people the Saturday people are
the Jews the Sunday people are the
Christians I can I can link pretty much
every single public policy disaster that
you could think of to the misfiring of
empathy you know what is the most
dangerous force in nature female
sexuality
Gad sad welcome back to the show oh so
good to be with you Tom dude really fun
to have you we've already been having a
lot of fun before we started rolling
here we did uh I want to dive right into
the deep end a couple of months ago you
sent out a tweet that said that Civil
War was coming for the west and do you
think that we were a couple inches from
that kicking off when the bullet gra
Trump's ear oh boy were we ever I mean I
can't even imagine the the world we' be
living in had he not turned to I mean
I'm not much of a Believer some say it
was divine intervention uh but whatever
it was uh it was very uh lucky because
we'd be in a different world today had
that guy succeeded what do you think
would have happened uh I think a lot of
people would have been extremely angry
because they would have felt that their
voices would not end up being heard uh
now does that mean that we would go into
full-blown Beirut Lebanon Civil War
tomorrow no but it certainly would be
stoking the Flames of uh Perpetual
unrest but I've been saying by the way
I've been predicting that Civil War was
coming uh for many many years now again
people think that I'm being hyperbolic
when I say that oh come on just because
of your childhood in Lebanon doesn't
mean that Civil War is around the corner
everywhere but the reality is when you
see the types of deontological
principles that are being violated that
made the West great what are
deontological principl so ethical
systems come in two forms there is
what's called deontological ethics and
there's consequentialist ethics
deontological would be if I say it is
never okay to lie that's an absolute
statement a consequentialist statement
would be it is okay to lie to spare the
feelings of my wife if she says do I
look fat in those genes right well if
you want to be married for a long time
you better put on your consequentialist
hat when that question is posed right so
for many things in life we're all
consequentialist and that's fine but
there are certain principles presumption
of innocence freedom of speech uh the
pursuit of Truth uh via unbiased
scientific method those can't be
consequentialist by definition they have
to be deontological once we start
applying a consequentialist e ethos to
those deontological principles we're no
longer the West that's that's what
differentiates the west from all of the
societies that immigrants like me flee
and so it doesn't take a a uh you know a
crystal ball reader to say look once all
of those mechanisms are eroded you're
going to have the exact same Strife that
you had anywhere else so for example
coming from Lebanon I know what happens
to a society that is organized according
to Identity politics Lebanon is the
perfect example of a society akin to the
one that the progressives here are
trying to create right I am first a
member of a group before I am an
individual well in Lebanon that's
exactly how everything is organized in
the case of Lebanon it's not your skin
you it's not whether you're transgender
or whether you're gay or indigenous it's
your religious belongingness as a matter
of fact in Lebanon on the ID card that
you carry within Lebanon in Arabic it's
called ha it's an internal ID the the
the most conspicuous element of your ID
card is your religion W and so for
example Jews were Lebanese Jews it
wasn't even written so an Arabic uh Jew
is yehudi it wasn't even written yahudi
it was written Israeli Israeli means
Israelite so you even had greater
animist towards you because you somehow
didn't have your Lebanese identity you
were an Israelite even though we had
nothing to do with with with Israel
right we we're Lebanese we're arabic
speaking our culture is Arabic our food
is Lebanese we happen to be Jewish but
we're we're we're what's called M Jews
Mahi Jews are the the Jews from all of
the Islamic countries Libyan Jews yemeni
Jews uh Egyptian Syrian Lebanese Jews
these are all called Mahi Jews so we're
fully Arabic in terms of our culture and
you know music language and yet we were
referred to as Israelites so now why was
that important Lebanon because when you
would be stopped at a random roadblock
by a militia group during the Lebanese
Civil War the first thing they would say
is show your papers if your papers
didn't have the right IDE identity
marker it was resolved With A Bullet to
the Head now there weren't too many uh
random roadblocks that you were going to
clear if you had Israelite on your now
there might be a few Christian militia
groups that might tolerate you and not
put a bullet but most of the factions
that were fighting in Lebanon if you
were stopped and you showed that card
you were
dead okay we got we got dark very
quickly no well look this is to me the
conversation that I really want to map
out for myself and certainly want to see
other people map out so when I was
watching the Trump assassination attempt
unfold I had the same feeling of whether
you love him or hate him thank God he
did not actually get shot because I
think Trump is a representative of
something that's happening and I mean
that in two ways he's representative
meaning there are people that feel
completely disenfranchised that the
system is holding them down that it is
corrupted and actively working against
the average American and so he
represents that voice and then I also
think he's literally a representative of
the Republican Party who champions for
those people and is trying to become the
next president and so if you then
celebrate the assassination of that
person you are going to have all kinds
of problems um I am very glad that the
only sort of Celebration is the people
joking about oh you know I'm just next
time don't miss whatever the you've seen
a ton of that on some weren't joking
I'll I'll assume none of them were um
meaning it literally but even then it's
still a it you're raising the
temperature and this is where I get
nervous and this is why I want people to
map this out and this is why I find it
very interesting this idea of
consequentialism versus deontological
ISM I'm not sure if that's how you
deontological yeah so um
once you begin to understand that what
I'll call narratives have consequences
then it's like okay as I put my voice
out into the Public Square where do I
want it to fall do I want it to amplify
a message do I want it to De amplify a
message or do I want just a complete
nonresponse to come from me and when you
understand how these things build
towards whether it's all the way to
Civil War uh which is hopefully a very
extreme very rare example
um but when you see how these steps
March down that path then this suddenly
becomes highly predictive uh so it is
dark but it's also a part of human
nature right so how do you view like
when you saw an assassination attempt on
a presidential
candidate what did you think yeah great
question so I actually did an X an
impromptu X spaces uh last night where I
I addressed that what it amazed me is
Trump's reaction to that assassination
attempt right so you may remember Tom in
chapter eight of the parasitic mind I
have a you know several call calls to
action probably the most famous one that
has resonated most with people is when I
ask implore people to activate your
inner honey badger and the reason why I
use the honey badger is because uh many
animal behaviorists and zoologists have
ranked the Honeybadger as the fiercest
the most ferocious of all animals and
that's there are a lot of fierce animals
it's the size of a small dog yet it
doesn't give an f right it can go into a
a hot you know be stung by a million
bees and it'll still get the honey it
could be caught with a con boa
constrictor that's almost suffocating it
when it gets itself out of it it doesn't
run away it says I'm not going to go and
kill you it can with withstand an attack
of six adult lions and so when I implore
people to activate their inner honey
Badger I'm saying be ideologically
fierce if you have a set of principles
that you believe in don't cow don't suck
your thumb in a corner and be a fetus
stand tall and defend your principles
well imagine a guy who just got shot at
and the first thing he does is you know
where are my shoes fight fight fight I
mean it it really be I mean if you hate
Trump you still have to in the Deep
recesses of your mind say my God I do
admire the fact that he's a honey badger
so the first thing I I I felt is my God
is he going to now turn a lot of people
who who were on the fence they're going
to say this is the kind of leader that
we want and I want to draw here some
analogies from my Evolution psychology
work so signaling theory is a theory
that is used in the animal kingdom to
explain all kinds of signaling Behavior
so for example when the peacock raises
its taale it's a form of sexual
signaling right it it is a a behavior
and a morphological set of traits right
it has a big tail it's iridescent colors
why would it have evolved that uh
particular uh physiological reality
because it is an honest signal of its
phenotypic quality it is saying despite
the fact that having this big tail I
might end up being eaten here I am still
therefore you should choose me as your
perspective partner so signaling Theory
theory is something that I apply in the
context of for example explaining
conspicuous consumption why is it that
99% of and I'm going to come back to
Trump in a second why is it that 99% of
Ferrari drivers around the world are
male right it's not as though there
aren't enough female billionaires who
could own those cars it's because men
and women use sex specific products as
sexual signals men are much more likely
to use Maseratis and uh Ferraris women
will use high heels and other
beautification products and that holds
true across very very different cultures
so it is a human Universal so signaling
theory is something that interests me a
lot so now let's apply it the context of
what happened with Trump and here I'll
draw an analogy when you go into prison
and you're on that first I've never been
to prison but certainly I understand the
Dynamics of prison life when you walk in
as a newbie the first thing that
everybody looks at you is they want to
see if you're going to be a predator or
a prey how do you walk where do you sit
do you walk tall are you confident are
you assertive could this become my
little girlfriend or not and depending
on that those first few moments it's
going to set the trajectory for how
you're going to do your time signaling
matters so often times uh prisoners will
tell you find someone if you're a newbie
find someone beat the hell out of them
so that you can then demonstrate to
everybody else who's watching that I'm a
serious guy now let's apply this to
Trump trump sends the signal to the
world to all the nasty prisoners around
the world world the North Korean
dictator and the Chinese and Putin and
the Islamic thugs I'm not to be messed
with I can be unpredictable I'm a rash
Cowboy so the exact thing that many
people criticize him about I actually
view it as a very powerful signal
positive signal right if I have the red
button and I start going eeny meeny miny
mo catch the tiger by the toe even
though I'm I'm not unpredictable if I
signal to the world don't mess with me
then people will pay attention people
will fear you president of the United
States should be someone that we fear it
shouldn't be someone who doesn't know if
he is a coffee cup or is a human being
right and
so right that's why I call him avocado
brain this this is not this is not I'm
making light of the fact that he has
dementia yes we all will grow old and we
we all will face some infirmity in our
lives I'm not being lacking an empathy
but in the president of I know it's
become a cliche to say this of the Free
World I want a guy who is a nasty Cowboy
boy did Trump exhibit that a couple of
days ago that's interesting uh we should
fear the president tell me more well uh
there's a lot of really nasty guys at
Corker and prison right there's a lot of
nasty guys at San Quenton if I walk in
there and I look like I am meek and
unsure and infinitely loving and
infinitely compassionate
people are going to turn me into their
girlfriend really quickly right so do
you mean the International Community
should be the president of course of
course the International Community there
are a lot of I mean you know there's the
expression uh you know uh speak softly
but uh carry a big stick or whatever I
can't remember the exact expression
right yeah walk sofly and car exactly or
might is right right so for example in
the Middle East this is actually a very
interesting point I recently wrote an
article about this so do you know do you
know what theory of mind is very much
okay you do should I should I summarize
it okay so theory of mind is something
that is really important in human
sociality because in in in interacting
with you in order for our conversation
to go well I have to often times put
myself in your mind to say would Tom
even me asking now should I should I
tell this to your audience because they
may not know what you know I'm
exhibiting theory of mine now it turns
out by the way that autistic children
don't have theory of mind so one of the
ways that you're able to uh diagnose
that a child has autism is there are
certain tests that you could give and
they will fail it in terms of not having
theory of mind that's why you see them
very closed off in their worlds they
don't read cues and they don't read
emotional cues well and so on now why am
I talking about all this I introduced a
concept which I called cultural theory
of mind which is am I able when I am a
leader in the geopol political ecosystem
am I able to put myself in the mind of
this other interlocutor that I'm
interacting with well it it baffles me
to see how westerners have zero culture
cultural theory of mind for example when
they interact with leaders in the Middle
East what do I mean by
that compassion empathy generosity
kindness
magnanimity each of those uh trait that
I just listed are viewed as laudable
virtues in the west what the Middle
Eastern mind reads it is weakness
weakness weakness weakness and weakness
so even though we may be sitting and
speaking in English or we may have
Arabic translators we're actually not
speaking the same language because we we
have no cultural reference point that
we're agreeing on the shared values and
so might is is right and that is a
universal everybody understands that so
if you go to the to the east where I
come from the Middle East and you exude
some of the traits that Biden
exudes then Putin does say hm maybe I'll
go into Ukraine today Hamas does say
maybe it's time for October 7th now I I
don't know for for certain that those
things wouldn't have happened had Trump
been there but I can if I'm a betting
man I would say that the chance of those
things happening would be much greater
if Biden is President than if Trump is
President so being feared as a world
leader is a good thing what do you think
about internally because I think a lot
of Americans fear Donald Trump and I
think that's some of the derangement and
so when you first said we should fear
the president I was like o because that
is the
I I am worried that internally We Fear
either the president or a boogie man
version of the president and that that
fear of our own leader is creating
massive problems yeah well it's
misplaced fear because if if you're
going to fear a particular party or a
particular ideology based on all the
evidence that we've gathered you should
certainly be fearing a lot more the
Biden regime than Trump that and that's
why I call it misplaced fear because
it's it's Boogeyman as you said right it
it is Trump derangement syndrome right I
know a lot of very bright people some of
whom you also know who genuinely believe
that Donald Trump is indistinguishable
from Hitler Donald Trump is
indistinguishable from Osama Bin Laden
the literal words right as a matter of
fact one person that we both know said
that well he actually admires Osama Bin
Laden more than Donald Trump because at
least Osama Bin Laden was committed to
an ideology he showed discipline and git
whereas Donald Trump is just a maniac he
is an asteroid hurling at you now if you
stop for a second and ask this person
and and that person is Exemplar of all
my colleagues in Academia say but but
why give me a specific well because he's
going to Institute martial law what's
the evidence of that I don't know it's
just he's evil or he's going to stop us
from loving our children he's going to
Outlaw food he's going to it's this in
and that's why Trump derangement
syndrome is really an excellent uh
moniker to describe this Insanity
because now by the way you tell him well
okay well if he was going to stop
democracy and ins martial laww he was
President for 4 years why didn't he do
it did he exhibit any of those things
that you were worried about no it's
really in his second term that he will
turn hitlerian so it's just idiocy it's
imbecility it's hyperbolic ir
irrationality and it it pisses me off
it's insane all right let me take the
flip side and steal man the argument
sure so at the beginning of this I was
saying um one of the things that makes
me want to talk about War even though I
hope that we're very far away from that
is that there is a clear path that leads
from where we are to there it's a
knowable path it's something you can
articulate and say well if we go from
here to here so for instance ratcheting
up the rhetoric from left and right
saying that Trump is exactly like Hitler
well the logical thing is if you really
knew you had identified Hitler before he
had committed his crimes you knew 100%
with 100% certainty that he would you
actually have a moral obligation to take
him out so that that's a knowable step
byep and so people said it um I forget
who it was that straight up said oh God
I I remembered it the other day and now
I'm forgetting who it was but they
straight up said that that the natural
conclusion oh it was Tucker Carlson uh
they tried censoring him on social media
they tried um getting him censored in uh
inside the government which I'm blanking
on the name what they call that
they exactly law fair all of it and and
all of it failed and so he was saying
and I don't know how many months ago
this was but certainly before the
assassination attempt he said the only
next step is assassination and so it's
like again these are knowable paths you
can't know them with 100% degree of
certainty but they are knowable paths so
if I'm in the grips of what somebody
else would call Trump derangement
syndrome I'd say hold on you yourself
just said that there is a staircase that
that leads somewhere what I'm saying is
Donald Trump is walking along that
staircase and so when you get to the
point where he on January 6th incites
people to go in and look did he hedge
and was he over the top no but it's very
clear if you look at everything that he
did not help the situation he very much
wanted to find the votes he very much
wanted Pence to come in and say that
this is not a legitimate election and
because of that I do have the real
indicators that he's walking the path
toward somebody who has said I want to
be add dictator for a day I mean he just
gives you all the cues and so no in the
first four years he did not walk all the
way down the path but he is so clearly
on the path how do people not see this
you're speaking as a trump derangement
syndrome corre I'm not putting forward
what I'm saying but I am trying to give
them their due in saying every time I go
to um just be like what are people
talking about there is the the one thing
of just if he had just said you know
what look no matter what I'm I am going
to fight this election in the courts I
think it is unjust I think things have
been done poorly but everybody the most
important thing is that we cue that
we're going to transition power no
matter what and then we'll fight this in
the known channels through through legal
courts if he had done that there would
be nothing to point at but he didn't do
that and so I don't I don't even need
you to buy into January 6th I just need
you to say that he did not handle that
in a way that removes that cudgel from
being used against him Point conceded
absolutely uh and not only that I mean
not just the January 6 thing he didn't
handle well he is his worst enemy as I
mean he does seem to have reigned in
quite a bit maybe it's age who knows
maybe it's some humility who you know
it's it's unsure what it is but he
certainly seems to be a lot more
disciplined in some of his outbreaks
right uh so there are many reasons why
someone may not like him but again part
of being a functioning smart individual
adult is to have Temperance right to
right I hate a child molester more than
I hate a jaywalker because I have a
calculus that allows me to met out my
disdain in a way that is rational and
makes sense jaywalking might be a crime
but it's not the same as as fiddling
with with kids so if we're going to use
the who is a greater threat to democracy
I've seen a lot more evidence that the
Biden regime is willing to violate all
of our shared deontological principles
more so than anything that Donald Trump
has done did he handle January 6 well
absolutely not but if my calculus is
which of these two gentlemen has
committed greater violations of
deontological principles that Define the
United States it's not even close that
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give me the greatest hits on Biden why
should we fear him uh well for many
reasons I mean if we could we could get
all philosophical or when you have
someone who is pushing uh I call it die
diversity inclusion Equity not Dei
because die is where meritocracy goes to
die anyone who defends anything remotely
close to that acronym is violating the
most fundamental precept precept of what
a meritocratic society should hold dear
to it right and I see it every every day
in Academia right and maybe I could talk
about this uh for a minute or two please
I mean what is beautiful about science
is that it's objective I mean of course
there are biased scientists but if we
assiduously pursue science applying the
scientific method as unbiased as we can
then there are very clear
epistemological tools that we can use
say this hypothesis looks good this one
we can refute it and so on if we want to
see which of these candidates are are
worthy of an academic position there are
very clear metrics we can use how many
papers have you published how
influential have those papers and books
beenin in the same way that in judging
who crosses the 100 meters first is not
up for debate there's a very clear
metric that we can use to decide who
gets to stand for the gold medal at the
podium now imagine you take all that and
you nuke it with this die cult right so
that now I mean this is literally true
this is is not Gad satire okay
University of waterl is a prestigious
University in Canada that's kind of like
the Mi of Canada it's where a lot of the
engineering and computer science stuff
has come out of Canada okay University
of watero just had two open
professorships they're called Canada
Research chairs so this is the most
prestigious professorship because it's
the Canadian government that's endowing
those chairs right so this is very and
they're called tier one it's the most
senior chaired professorship one was in
artificial intelligence the other one
was in general computer science and I I
took a screenshot of their call uh one
says this call for professorship and
artificial intelligence is restricted to
uh people who identify as women
transgender
TWP uh what's the other one gender fluid
I I can't remember the whatever the
other one is okay I mean literally stuff
that you would think is insane and the
the other one was only for racialized
minorities or those who consider
themselves to be parts of racialized
minorities so Im so do you know who Alan
Turing is yeah okay so Alan Turing is a
gentleman who in my view is one of the
smartest minds of the 20th century so so
of in my long career as a student you
know I spent many many years in
University the course that blew my mind
the most was a course a theoretical
computer science course called formal
languages where a lot of the Turing
theories were uh described in that
course it's a level of profundity that's
difficult to imagine that a human mind
can come up with that kind it borders on
being a religious experience okay if
Alan Turing were alive and he applied
for those professorships he would be
turned down because he's not a
racialized minority or two spirit he's
gay he's gay I know I agree I agree that
might get him somewhere the Gay Part
might get him somewhere but it it
doesn't have the same coolness as it did
maybe 20 years ago you need to be a bit
more than gay now and so imagine that in
the 21st century this is openly FL right
it's it's not something that's hidden in
the back pages that's the official call
for that Prof for those professorships
so now come back to Biden is Biden
someone who stands up on the pulpit of
of of the poest
Podium and say this is insane or is he
the one who promulgates and sets up
mechanisms that promote the die cult so
if only it were that if on every other
dimension he were great which he's not
and and if he only were a supporter of
die he would be a much greater threat
than Donald Trump will ever
be okay uh I'm going to say that in my
words and make sure that I understand
because it's a very bold but a little
bit abstract idea anybody who attacks
the foundation of Truth are more
dangerous than somebody who may want to
uh be a dictator but he doesn't so
that's really a hypothe I mean if he did
would that change your math the checks
and balances of the American system are
such that I can assure you I can bet
every penny that I could ever own that
there is no pathway for Donald Trump to
ever be dictator that's the beauty of
the American system there's a million
checks and balances right it's not a I
mean it's it's starting to look like a
Banana Republic but it certainly
historically the the fourfathers of the
United States were unbelievably preent
and setting up all of these machinations
to ensure that none of this could ever
happen so I I can't buy into that
hypothetical but frankly there is
nothing more fundamental to the human
Spirit than the pursuit of truth if I
can get you to stand up as in a
confirmation hearing for the Supreme
Court and have a Senator asks you tell
me what a woman is and you don't have
the
epistemological confidence to say what
kind of dumb question is that of course
I could tell you what a woman is and she
answers if you remember well you know
I'm not a biologist what could be more
dangerous than that up is down left is
Right some women have 9in penises it's
the it's the violation of everything
that makes us human some women are very
lucky guys some women are very very
lucky some right and so it's not even an
abstract sense in a in a in a in a in
the true definition of what it means to
be human is we have a prefrontal cortex
that allows us to have a shared meaning
for what reality is once you engage in
the promulgation of these parasitic
ideas that I discuss in the parastic
mind where I no longer feel confident in
knowing whether men can menstruate
listen I Tom I literally get emails from
functioning adults Dear Professor sad I
know that you are an evolutionary
behavioral scientist who studies sex
differences so I'm just wondering is it
true now that men can
menstruate and I write back dear so and
so no men cannot menstruate you can take
that to the bank but the fact that you
have created such instability in that
person's mindset that they have to get
the impr premature of a professor to
tell them so tell me seriously because
I've got a 15-year-old daughter is it
only her that menstruates or can my
buddy Jack also menstruate if we've
gotten to that point what could be more
dangerous to the human spirit it's
interesting so I have no disagreement
about uh anything that attacks
deontological truth is going to create
derangements that will end the West that
to me is a very concise statement that I
will get behind uh
aggressively uh it's what I call the
physics of progress so the physics of
progress is simply in all aspects of
your life you're asking one question I
know where I want to go but I don't know
how to get there and so I'm going to run
a bunch of tests and see which ones
actually move me closer to my goal could
be being a better parent could be
running a business but you have to be
able to um say all the things you think
are true even if they are wildly
offensive if you actually believe this
could be true you need to be able to ask
it uh and then run an experiment and see
if you can get evidence so that you know
how to actually progress towards your
goal and assuming that your goal is
Honorable I'll just short circuit all
the comments I making the assumption
that your goal is Honorable it elevates
not only you but other people
okay so attacking that is I have a frame
of reference my frame of reference is
grounded in Western values and so that
to me is anathema to the way that we
ought to live I'm making a moral
judgment and and I'm very much here for
that um what I try to do when I look at
people like um I mean take Sam Harris
who's somebody I have a tremendous
amount of respect for but just
canot um see Trump in the same light
that I see Trump in
uh which for me is just very much uh
give me the data I'll look at it if I
see that the policies he's going to
implement do not lead me to where I want
to go then I would be very much against
him and if I see that they are right now
for me that one's just simple Biden has
cognitive decline I am not voting for a
mystery set of people behind the scenes
like that that is that's that's a
non-starter for me I don't even
understand um that argument but I want
to look at it from from somebody like
Sam's point of view and say okay if this
person really is a threat to democracy
well I care tremendously about democracy
so then the question moves to how do we
determine if someone is actually a
threat to democracy and that I'm very
open to having a debate out in public
let's see like what's the evidence for
what's the evidence against because I
agree I very much believe in the
government that we have it has for 250
years given us I mean just certainly
economic one of the greatest countries
that's ever been on the face of the
Earth so but getting people coralled
into how to approach the problem seems
like the problem right we can't get
people to agree on the fundamental frame
of reference from which we are going to
view this how do we get people on the
same page so that we have a a debate
that has a knowable outcome right
phenomenal question can I bore a pen I
want to use no no no uh imagine if this
were the cork of a wine bottle have I
talked about this before you have yeah
here or on my show was it I I've heard
you speak so many times I don't know
because it's going to uh in a sense
answer your question yep so there's an
expression in Arabic that says getting
drunk by smelling the cork of the wine
bottle so if this is the
cork look I'm getting drunk I'm getting
woozy right it refers to the fact that
you are of weak constituency in other
words that you don't don't really need
to do the hard work of drinking the wine
for you to get drunk you just take a
whiff and you're already Tipsy okay now
I take that Arabic saying and I apply it
to how people make decisions and so when
I say for example that you're getting
drunk by smelling the the obam cork look
I'm going to smell Obama you ready he
has such a malefu voice he has such a
radiant
smile he says such useless platitudinous
[ __ ] but it sounds like a Southern
Baptist preacher
and so he must be saying something
important right I didn't say I agree
with his fiscal policy I didn't say I
agree with his uh interventionist or
non-interventionist foreign policy I'm
simply getting drunk by the cork on the
other hand here is now Trump he's
disgusting he's borish right he's vile
he's contener he he lacks that
presidential quality he doesn't speak in
diplomates right he's he's in your face
he's a queen's guy and therefore I'm
using so now I'm going to get more
psychological there's a there's a
persuasion model often used in
psychology of advertising called the
elaboration likelihood model it
basically says that when you're trying
to persuade someone if I'm the
advertiser you're the consumer I could
engage one of two persuasion systems in
your in your mind either the peripheral
system or the central system peripheral
would be
the Cosmetic cues so for example if I'm
if I am advertising a perfume I don't
usually tell you here is the chemical uh
compound reason why you should buy this
perfume because that's triggering your
central cognitive processing and here
when it comes to a hedonic product like
perfumes it has to be a sexy girl on a
horse with her hair flowing and it just
says m right so I am queuing your
peripheral cosmetic uh system precisely
because it's a hedonic product on the
other hand if it were here are the eight
reasons why you should invest in my
mutual funds I probably shouldn't use a
sexy girl with her hair flowing to try
to convince you why you should put all
of your retirement money with our firm I
should actually give you real Central
cues real sub incentive cues and so the
problem lies so to answer your question
in this very hopefully not too
long-winded way when it comes to
choosing the leader of the Free World we
should be activating our Central route
to persuasion but 99% of people activate
their peripheral system so that when you
when I I actually engage people and I
say why did you vote for Justin
trudel three times right because he's
well he's just he's young he's he he
looked good with his children in his
hand he's got beautiful hair he just
speaks in a really Progressive Way no no
I I know I get it he's tall that's very
nice and I could never be president or
prime minister because I'm too short I
get that but other than his height I got
nothing right well maybe he legalized
marijuana and I'm a pothead okay so
therefore irrespective of the amount of
times that I try to invoke in you some
cognitive deliberation that you used in
choosing Justin Trudeau it always ends
up with cosmetic Q cosmetic Q cosmetic Q
so now let's bring it back to Trump I
think that people like Sam Harris and
the rest of those folks and I talk about
this in the parasitic mind view Trump as
an existential aesthetic injury right
see I operate I'm speaking now as Sam
Harris and the rest of those folks I
operate in the rarified world of the
progressive list people in Malibu and US
anointed ones can't really be anointed
if such a borish pig could Ascend to the
highest office now maybe I'm being fian
here but it invalidates my existence as
a progressive lisp guy look I speak with
a lisp you see because I am very
educated right and so if this pig can
become president it invalidates me I can
no longer look at myself in the mirror
and feel good about myself so he is an
existential threat to my ego not to the
world and therefore I there could only
be two worlds either I am in French you
say the anointed ones the good thinkers
or something is off with him and so the
only way I could reconcile that reality
is I've got to bring him down I think it
it truly is that because I've tried to
interact with my colleagues who
supposedly have many degrees after their
names and say but give me the specifics
of why you hate Trump it's never it's
always a reflexive disgust thing he's
disgusting he's racist he's Hitler but
why give me the specifics you can never
give it to me and so I think the only
way to be able to get people to truly
take these decisions seriously is if you
can get them to not take the peripheral
route and take the central route but the
central route is hard because it
involves thinking it involves most
people are cognitive misers they want to
use Mental shortcuts and one of the ways
that you use Mental shortcuts is you use
emotion as a shortcut to heavy lifting
right so if Barack Obama peace be upon
Him tells me that Islam is a religion of
peace or if George Bush said the same
thing to be fair then it's easier for me
to Simply believe him than to have to go
do the hard work of doing a historical
and canonical analysis as to whether
Islam is peace he said it shortcut it's
good enough Islam is peace so that's the
problem is that in a world of cognitive
misers people who don't want to think
you want them to rise to the occasion
and use their thought process to choose
a president I'm simply not willing to do
that because I'm a lazy
Pig okay uh you've got your finger on
something that I think is really
important this the idea of cognitively
miserly from an evolutionary perspective
uh the brain is just a caloric hog and
um if you have to keep that thing fed
you literally want to think as little as
you need to which is why we find
ourselves doing things habitually uh the
brain goes through a process called
myelination it melinates the patterns of
thought literally with a fatty tissue so
that the electrical impulses can travel
more efficiently so that they require
less calories so the things you think a
lot you will think forever and anytime
we can find you heuristic get that
shortcut and just be like oh um this
person said it and I trust them
therefore I trust all of it or and this
is really how things Break um which
tribe am I on cool what are all the
tribal patterns of voting I don't have
time to think through them all uh plus
nuanced ideas are very hard to hold and
I may just not be at the intellectual
level that I would need to be to think
through all of this uh so I'm just cool
voting down the line uh so I think
that's so in keeping with the biology of
the human animal I think that all of
that is true and you could be the
smartest person in the world and if
you're relying on heuristics and you
choose one that isn't based in
deontological truth you're going to have
a hard time where my mind breaks and
where I stop because to me so much of
this is about narratives where I don't
have a narrative that will complete
itself is that the Thomas Soul quote
seems to be what live out which is over
the last 30 years we have exchanged what
works for what sounds good yes now the
only way that I can sort of make those
connect is emotions that the reason we
go with what sounds good is it makes me
feel better in the immediate term once I
have the emotion I'm able to make a
decision like you were saying and once
I've made the decision I have no reason
to change plus every time that you tell
me something that sounds wonderful it
feels good again yeah uh and so I just
stay in but this feels good every time I
hear it I use feels good as a proxy for
right therefore I head down this path
now once you start doing that culture
will slowly derange over time and the
part that freaks me out is you from
where I'm sitting you should just be
able to say well hold on tell me what
your goal is and then look and see if
the policies lead you towards that that
goal and if they do keep voting for them
and if they don't don't why do you think
that breaks down so much good stuff
there so first of all there is a theory
in psychology that emotion researchers
use it's called affect as information
it's literally a Uris where you're using
your affective State as an informational
input in making decisions okay now in
many cases that perfectly works
well for the exact reason evolutionary
reasons that you said right so for
example when when my emotional system is
triggered because I see three young men
loitering in an alley and that raises my
blood pressure I get a bit of a a fear
response in that context that emotional
reaction was perfectly adaptive right on
the other hand if I'm trying to solve a
calculus problem on a 100% final exam
and I start being fearful that's
probably not a good response right so I
talk in the parastic mind I say that
it's not that we are thinking or feeling
animals it's that we use the wrong
system at the wrong time we invoke the
wrong system at the wrong time uh
regarding the urtic thing let me just
mention one uh if I can get nerdy a bit
so my doctoral training uh was in the
area of Behavioral decisionmaking and
the two of course gurus were tersi Amos
tersi and Daniel Conan Daniel Conan won
the Nobel prize in economics for his
work in psychology of decision-making
because he showed that contrary to what
classical economists think that we are
these perfect calculational machines
that engage in an endless utility
maximization calculation we don't do
that we use Mental shortcuts we use
juristic the where I depart from Amos
verki and Daniel conman although I'm a
huge admirer of theirs is that they
didn't root their research in an
evolutionary framework so what they did
is they they put the homoeconomicus
which is the what the classical
Economist thinks we ought to behave as
rational decision makers and then they
put their weapon on that and
demonstrated that the classical
Economist was wrong but they never
explained to us why the architecture of
the human mind is built the way that it
is so they were missing that
evolutionary angle and that's how I
eventually tried to marry my original
training and behavioral decisionmaking
and with an evolutionary framework are
are you with me so far y so what was
what was I got I got lost in what I was
answering so what was what was the
question was so I'm trying to figure out
why people don't realize oh wait I can
look at where I want to go and I can
simply ask is this policy or this
decision in my life actually taking me
to where I want to go I don't understand
why people are not obsessed with the
outcome they want because I think it's
exactly what you said which is in in the
immediate temporal window the feeling
good is what keeps me going right and
and forgive the I'm not trying to engage
in Shameless pluging my next book which
is not written yet about to sign a a
book deal it's called called suicidal
empathy well empathy is an emotion right
now empathy there are very clear
evolutionary reasons why our whole
emotional system has evolved right so
for example Envy while it while it is
part of the seven deadly sins also
propels us forward right so when you
think about keeping up with the Joneses
look at the [ __ ] next door that have
the fancy car and they're successful I'm
envious of them now maybe that will get
me off my fat ass and off the couch so
that I can match their signal right so
there are so much of the economy is
driven by positional Envy right and
that's perfectly fine so there are clear
evolutionary reasons for why each of the
emotions have has evolved the problem is
when empathy misfires so in answering
your question in a very roundabout way
so it's very easy for me because I'm
such a progressive kind and
compassionate person to say it's unfair
that we have the things that we have in
the US why should we be globalists and
let in anybody who wants to be in on the
experience of the American Experience
therefore it is racist to have closed
Bard borders why not the Guatemalans
coming in they're hardworking good
people they should be let in there but
in this case when you have you you
extend that logic at infinum you then
have open borders where 20 million
people come in and then you end up
spending more money on the illegal
immigrants that just came in than on
American American vets who fought to
protect this country right but it's
suicidal empathy because I'm a good
person I you know the homeless people
should not be marginalized and taken
away from their encampments where the
kids play because that would be a double
whammy on them society's already failed
them that's why they become D I'm
speaking now as a kind and empathetic
Progressive and therefore tough luck
kids if you have to play around with the
uh homeless people while they're
shooting up crystal meth and fornicating
in in the in the half open tent that's
just the price you have to pay for being
a tolerant and kind person right uh look
this guy has only been arrested 67 times
previously don't you think he deserves a
68th chance right because I am kind and
empathetic so at at the moment it is
always exactly to Thomas Soul's point
it's always easier because I'm such a
kind and empathetic person to do that
rather than what you were looking at
which is there's a goal over there and I
need to reach it because the the the
short window always overpowers the
longer goal and hence suicidal empathy I
can I can link pretty much every single
public policy disaster that you could
think of to the misfiring of empathy and
let me if I can put it in a a greater uh
framework
OCD okay obsessive compulsive disorder
is the misfiring of an otherwise
adaptive mechanism let me explain what I
mean by
that scanning the environment for
environmental threats is a perfectly
adaptive thing to do so for example if
you start now sneezing and then you
shake my hand and I get I recoil with
disgust and I go and I wash my hands
when you're not looking that makes
perfect adaptive sense what doesn't make
adaptive sense is for me to spend the
next eight hours in scolding hot water
until my skin starts peeling off
engaging in that ritual right so an
Adaptive mechanism becomes maladaptive
when it hyperf fires when it misfires
why is it hyperf firing now so in in the
case of OCD no no no in the case of like
what we're going through right now if
this is the death of the West is
suicidal empathy what created the
circumstance that would allow this kind
of hyper misfiring or not even
necessarily allow but create the Chain
Reaction where just keeps looping up so
it's it's several factors one of which
is self-loathing right so one of the
ways that I am Progressive is that it is
not okay for me to ever say that the
West is is a superior Society to other
societies as a matter of fact the way
that I show that I'm Progressive is by
self- flatulating that we are evil and
we're slave owners did that take over CU
in the 80s it was America's best [ __ ]
get the [ __ ] out of the way and I don't
know when that changed so that that's a
very good question question so in in the
in the parasitic mind I go through all
of these parasitic ideas
and the the this time stamp for each of
them varies from 40 to about 89 years 90
years ago what makes it that they all
then seem to appear out of nowhere is
that it takes a while for them to simmer
in the stew of [ __ ] until there's
the perfect cocktail to create the
monster that we have now right so take
for example cultural relativism cultural
relativism is the idea that it is
imperialistic of you to apply a
deontological principle in judging other
societies if other societies say that it
is our tradition to cut off the
clitorises of 5-year-old girls who are
you [ __ ] in Southern California to
say that what we do over there is wrong
right I mean that's that's literally the
statement so s but do you take it as
self-evident that that's bad and if so
why because shouldn't the 5-year-old
have the dignity to have their
fundamental conduit to sexual pleasure
later in life decided by someone else's
religious uh beliefs I mean doesn't
doesn't the CH now I hope you're not
going to come because usually when I say
this someone comes back but aren't you
Jewish don't you get circum circumcised
okay fair enough that's true the the the
H the eight day old boy has not given
their consent to have uh the
circumcision done on them if I'm going
to get jewy on you I would say I would
say that that does not stop me in the
future from appreciating sex to its
fullest cutting many of the genital
mutilation that's done on little girls
in some of those societies absolutely
does reduce if not remove your ability
to fully function as a sexual being so I
I have push back on this take on this
argument so to me this is where
everybody they start um arguing at the
the specifics like whether we should
circumcise a girl or not my thing is
where are you trying to end up people
have if you just make people State what
the end goal is that they're trying to
achieve then it's like it it will reveal
like oh my God I'm speaking to somebody
whose values are so anathema to mine
that now at least I know where we have
to back up so for instance if I say why
are you removing the clitorus of little
girls and they say um that's so that
they can have a thriving sex life as
they get older and we just want to see
them happy okay word like we can prove
out whether that works or not and oh hey
look all the women that you do that to
they [ __ ] hate it if on the other
hand you ask that question and God told
me to and we do this to be right with
God woof now at least I know know what
I'm up against and all my talk about but
it's going to be bad for them from a
pleasure perspective they're yeah so
like God said to do it and just adhering
you you know what is the I i' I've often
spoken about this and written about it
you know what is the most dangerous
force in
nature female sexuality meaning that the
thing that scares men the most across
cultures is female sexuality right so
say more so so I can I can I could drill
back all the way to evolutionary reasons
for that there is no so we are a
biparental species yes so if you look
across say mammals human dads are
actually quite extraordinary dads and
that officially human beings are a
biparental species now me men do not
invest as much as women do but we are
certainly uh officially classified as a
biparental species
cheetas the male his only contribution
is the copulatory act and then he's gone
okay so human dads are actually quite
extraordinary in the animal kingdom now
and I'm going to come back to the the
thing that you're asking me to comment
on because we're a biparental species
the biggest threat to my genetic
interest I'm speaking as prototypical
male throughout evolutionary history is
that I face a the very daunting
possibility of P eternity uncertainty
right therefore I don't want to invest
the next 18 years all the way to the
sexual maturity of the juvenile not
knowing if that child is mine or if it's
the sexy Gardener right that's why by
the way there is a cultural norm right
now I'm going to start really blowing
your mind although I probably did from
the first syllable I said anything but
always uh when a child is born Tom who
do the people say he looks like dad dad
even though objectively speaking
perceptually speaking that's absolutely
not true and it's the mother's side of
the family that is most likely to insist
that he looks exact now we can do this
test in the Yucatan in Mexico we can do
it in Bolivia we can do it with the
hadah tribe in central Africa and you'll
always get that mechanism because we
didn't evolve with DNA paternity tests
therefore we set up the cultural
mechanisms for the D paternity test
which is don't worry that kid is yours
you have nothing to worry about by the
way I I joke although it's true that I
discovered in the annals of science the
first case of that phenomenon in utero
and let me explain what I mean by that
so when my wife was pregnant with our
first child you know when you first get
the first
ultrasound typically parents will put it
on the on the refrigerator right and so
that image could look like an alien it
could look like the co virus it could
look like a dinosaur yet my
mother-in-law passed by the kitchen
looked at that alien virus and said oh
my God God the baby looks exactly like
you that's hilarious and then I said
uhoh that's paternity uncertainty and I
started explaining and she goes oh
enough of your [ __ ] science look the
baby has your profile no it didn't it
looked like a lizard okay but yet she
was compelled as a darwinian being to
assuage my potential fears that don't
worry my daughter did not go behind your
back this is your baby right so now
let's link it back to the issue of the
threat of female
sexuality the way that men as that very
real evolutionary threat is they come up
with religious and cultural Norms that
keep women in check in Chinese Society
I'll do foot binding in other societies
I'll put the hijab in other cases I put
the full tent on you I remove your
identity because I'm liberating you from
the male gaze and also God said so
because God is uniquely concerned with
men men's sexual insecurities right in
other cases I will cut off the clitoris
because by now reducing the chances of
you seeking sexual pleasure that's how I
will make be sure to be able to control
you so there is nothing more threatening
to male psychology than female sexual
emancipation and therefore all of these
quote religious and cultural norms seek
to assage this God damn where's the
Nobel Prize right that is uh that's
really interesting and is certainly give
some uh backup information for how we
ended up here the thing I want to focus
everybody on is just when you're having
a debate with somebody first identify
what is the base assumption upon which
all of their arguments are going to rest
because whether it's Trump whether it's
Israel Palestine whatever there's going
to be some base assumption that they
have that they're actually steering
towards that maybe they're not even
aware of and if you start asking them
where you trying to end up and then to
drag them back into deontological Waters
I'm just saying does the thing you're
doing here actually lead to that and if
you can get them to say something is
blate like if God wants us to do this
why does God want us to do this now if
you can get them out of the culde-sac of
God works in mysterious ways and you
just get them to say he doesn't want
women to be promiscuous so you're like
okay so you're doing this specifically
to remove sexual pleasure for women yes
now we know where the argument is now we
know what we're actually debating and if
you can get down to the actuality a lot
of times I find people will confess
something that hopefully is so
horrifying to them upon realization that
they're like whoa actually that's pretty
striking but usually people hit the EC
button somewhere along the way of just
asking very direct and pointed questions
yeah I I agree with that I mean I think
it's too optimistic to think that you're
going to use that process for on most
people and then when they see the light
they suddenly say oh yeah I'm with you I
realized at the end so I think it's an
optimistic uh uh objective but if you
and I know anything about how human
minds are structured that's not what
people do true but the thing that I
think a lot about as a podcast host who
does not believe in free will uh I think
a lot about despite the fact that we are
uh aatat where it really feels like you
have free will so I just act as if I do
but by putting out ideas into the world
I am shaping other people and other
people by putting ideas out of the world
are shaping me there's no doubt about
that so it is a very fruitful exercise
to put this stuff out of the world so
every time I go through that start with
your goal and then just figure out is
what you're doing now actually leading
you to that one is where you're trying
to end up your goal is it honorable does
it elevate you and other people or only
you if only you we probably have a
problem uh and then the specifics of is
this working now the person I'm engaging
with they may totally disregard it and
reject it but I'm always trying to get
somebody to the point either where
they're listening and they go o that's a
useful thing I'm going to take it or in
that given argument with that specific
person I at least want to be able to say
back to them here's what I believe your
position is even if it's God works in
mysterious ways God is telling me to
remove the clitorus of uh women at the
age of five and I do it for that reason
but I actually don't understand why God
wants me to do it okay and when I say
that back to you do you go yes you
understand my position perfectly if you
do then at least I'm like I think that
way of walking through the world makes
absolutely no [ __ ] sense I think you
were on a path to this horrific outcome
but at least I know where you're at
you've said I understand you so now
whatever feelings I have about that or
beliefs I have about it are not out of
usion because you yourself have told me
I understand where you're coming from so
now this is my take but what I find like
if I were to put my finger on the base
assumption upon which my whole view of
society rests it's that people do not
know where they want to get to and
therefore they cannot possibly hold
themselves or anybody else accountable
to whether we're moving in that
direction or not and so we end up
arguing about whether Trump's tweet was
inciting an Insurrection or not it's
like hey hey hey where are you trying to
get to right and then let's ask is Trump
the person that's going to get us there
or
not yeah no I I look I agree uh I should
mention though when I earlier I said
you're being too optimistic about being
able to get people to I mean it's not
really true when I said that because
there would be no point in me waking up
in the morning and trying to fight in
the ecosystem of the battle of ideas if
I thought I could never change someone's
opinion right because what would be the
point of writing any book because you're
going to read it and then I'm I'm going
to say well you're you're opinion is
your opinion and I'm never going to be
able to reach you so so so I completely
agree with you that uh there is hope and
optimism in saying I think I could flip
most people if they at least give me the
opportunity to present my evidence I
think the problem arises with the people
who go la la la so that there is
absolutely no way for it's kind of like
the the analogy I like to use given that
I talk about mind viruses and parasitic
ideas is imagine if I know that if I
give you this vaccine it will absolutely
eradicate your chances of Contracting
polio but you're an absolute antivaxer
there is there is no way for me to be
able to reach you and therefore you're
likely to to to get stricken with polio
that's what really worries me is that
the there are some folks that I try to
engage and no amount of evidence that I
could ever offer them can get them to
flip so then it becomes an exercise in
me being able to quickly gauge whether
it would be a waste of time for me to
engage you or not being an optimist like
you and maybe it's presumptuous of me to
think that I feel that given the
opportunity I could flip anyone because
truth and the evidence is on my side but
the reality is often times we end up
talking like this to each other because
the person with whom I'm interacting
simply doesn't want to hear it la la la
I don't know have have you been able
to identify who are the people worthy of
Exchange because I you could potentially
persuade them versus those that are
impenetrable uh so life has taught me
that 2% of the world will take new ideas
and go do something with it that's pure
anecdote it's just the way that it feels
I've never run a specific study or
anything but that roughly feels right uh
about I don't know a decade ago now at
this point I realized in terms of the
core efforts of my life I just have to
give up on adults and focus on kids kids
are super malleable and that feels like
a huge investment of time and energy so
I actually spend most of my time that's
not true right now but I put a lot of
energy into developing video games and
comic books and film and uh because I
think you can put empowering ideas into
movies like Star Wars actually has sort
of Dos and Buddhism at the core of it
and if you take Yoda's advice your life
will be better anyway that's how I'll
play all of that out but the reason that
I put ideas out into culture is that
really believe when culture breaks
people die horrific death they are
drugged through the street they are
drawn and quartered uh in the west I
don't think if you don't study history
relentlessly you don't realize what the
human animal is capable of and so I've
read now just an obsessive amount of
history and it's just one story after
another of people killing each other for
the dumbest reasons possible uh it is
real politique it is the strong will do
as they will and the weak will suffer as
they must um it is an understanding that
I ideas grip culture and everything is
Downstream of the ideas that grab hold
of people and so because it's not a
futile attempt in that hey 2% of people
can be persuaded and potentially those
are the mavens and marketing speak that
then we were talking about this before
we started rolling camera that most
people are just going to follow the
overon window right so this is really a
game of the 2% of people that are
changeable that will then move the over
10 window how much can I affect them but
if I'm really honest the reason I do all
of this is I'm one of the people that
can and will change and I'm so hungry
for things that have utility beliefs
that actually move me towards my goals
that I in some ways am just testing my
ideas right bring on really bright
people try to learn as much as I can
from them and then bounce a couple of my
ideas off them to see like is there an
obvious flaw in this that I don't see um
and then if somebody's just utterly
committed to running themselves into the
ground because their ideas do not yield
the outcomes that they want or that I
want then at some point I just am like
cool I've said your position back to you
in a way that you say yes that is my
position it does not seem to have
utility I'll let you go live your life
and I will keep trying to persuade
people of ideas to have more utility I'm
trying to think what would be some
personality traits that PR that are
predictive of a person being malleable
to new evidence and I'm I'm thinking of
the big five and you know the big five
right so I would say probably openness
to experience is one that is highly
predict so I'm I'm willing to bet that
both you and I if we did the big five
today would probably score highly on
that and that that probably also
predicts why you're successful host
because you have the epistemic humility
to sit down and say hey I don't know
everything and I I'm going to speak to
some really interesting people and
therefore I'm going to create the
environment where I allow the other
person to share their knowledge and I've
actually found that the most detestable
people that I interact with which
regretably constitute the great majority
of people don't have that ability so let
let me back up so you know the old
confucious thing know what you know and
know what you don't know and so on or
put in common parlance today would be
having epistemic calibration I know what
I know so for example if you ask me
about evolutionary psychology I'll
probably be able to debate the best of
them because I really know what I know
and but on the other hand if you ask me
hey having now had Trudeau as a Canadian
Prime Minister what is the net effect on
Society of having legalized marijuana
I'm not going to wing it I'm not going
to try to pretend that I know something
that I don't I'll say you know that's a
great question Tom let me go and do my
homework and I'll come back with a
better answer next time I'm on the show
most people don't have that humility
right and so therefore when I said down
often times with people that I just meet
on the street and I then walk away from
the conversation my wife says You seem
pissed what happened I said because I
just sat there and listen to this idiot
pontificating to me for 30 minutes he
never asked me a single question because
one of the ways that people really enjoy
interacting with you is if you just let
them speak about themselves right and so
if I meet someone I say so what do you
do how do you like that it's as if
they're they're on my show but then I
realize that they never reciprocate
they'll never find out anything about me
because give an opportunity to most
people to talk about themselves
obsessively they're off and running and
so I wonder if there is a set of
Personality clusters that makes people
who are successful entrepreneurs
successful podcast host successful
scientists be open to these kinds of
interactions and you have to have that
epistemic humility to be able to do that
I think there is going to be an amount
of temperment so I'm sure the big five
does have something to say but the the
thing that's far more malleable and I've
heard you talk about this I think you'll
back up that we're sort of roughly 50%
hardwired and roughly 50% malleable is
to understand frame of reference frame
of reference is everything it is a funh
house mirror that we all see the world
reflected in and it distorts it in very
particular ways that are super unique to
us and we can change that Distortion at
any time to see The World Slightly
differently but it really does control
not it controls both what we look at and
what we see but if you just focus on how
you can look at whatever you want but
the distortions in that mirror are going
to determine what you see when you look
at something and once I understood oh
wait a second it's fake I'm seeing a
fake representation and that fake
representation is a result of the the
beliefs and values that I have so if I
want to see the world in a different way
I just adjust the beliefs and values
that I have so for instance if you have
a value that says the world is extremely
dangerous you need to look for um all
the bad things that people are doing any
sign that they might betray you whatever
you're going to see those signs
everywhere you look right if on the
other hand you say look the world is
dangerous and the only way to navigate
it is to find good loving people out in
the world and to get somebody to work
with you you need to invest in them
first all of a sudden you're like
finding all these kinds of reasons to
love people to do nice things both are
true statements by the way the world is
a dangerous place and hey you can find
cues but hey you can also find
allegiances and if you invest in
somebody before you ask them to invest
in you they're far more likely to be
receptive when you do ask so it's like
but those two people are going to have
very different experiences of the world
and so that is the the thing that I'm
obsessed with which my audience will
have heard me say a gazillion times is
utility does that thing work now the
problem is most people accept emotion as
what you call affect as info exactly
they also accept affect as end result so
uh I view the world this way and it
makes me feel good about myself cool
when I meet an entrepreneur that's
failing I'm like I don't need to know a
single word say less fam before you even
tell me your name your product anything
I will just tell you there are two
things that are almost certainly true
about you you don't have Clarity on what
you want this is like every
entrepreneur's dilemma it is hilarious
when you start talking to them doesn't
matter they could already be doing
millions of dollars they don't know what
they want and then the second thing is
that their ego [ __ ] them up when they
look at the result of a test a marketing
test that they tried or something
because it's everybody else's fault it's
the market it's the economy it's the
whatever whatever talk about that please
sorry forgive me for that actually you
you probably know this but maybe your
audience doesn't there is an old
psychometric scale I think it's rer r o
TTR internal versus external local of
control so internal Locos of control
would be you know uh something happened
because of my doing EX internal would be
something happened because of external
forces so to your point and you're
exactly right that not just
entrepreneurs by the way but most human
beings have the following self-serving
attributional style successes are
attributed internally and failures are
attributed externally right so I did
really well on the exam well because I'm
smart and I studied hard now if I did
poorly on the exam it's because
Professor sad is an [ __ ] and he's
unfair right and so by the way do you
know who is the singular group of people
who don't reliably suffer from that
attributional style
bias clinically depressed people
interesting now and because they so
accurately see themselves as very good
so it's actually a chicken egg question
it's both it's you're born with a more
accurate attributional style which
predisposes you then to clinical
depression that and being in a clinical
depression makes you more accurate in
your attributional St there isn't that
Rosy Glow all good things are to due to
me and all bad things are due to the
evil outside world and so you're and by
the way I've seen it in my own family
because I have in my family I don't mean
my wife and kids but in my nuclear
family there have been several
entrepreneurs in my families and some of
whom have been very successful every
single time they failed it was exactly
what you said the consumer was in idiot
they simply didn't understand my genius
and so I remember one of these family
members had at one point asked me to
serve as their Scientific Advisor and I
was exactly telling this person do you
not see that you are succumbing to that
attributional style but I was the
younger guy and it was like ah shut up
with your fancy scientific book stuff
yeah right so they every alarm Bell I
have goes off when people talk like that
exactly so so what so do you think that
part of you having been a very
successful entrepreneur is that you
didn't succumb to a lot of these
psychological traps 100% okay so I had a
a moment of existential crisis in my
mid-20s where I realized I was arguing
for dumb ideas because they were mine
and I was like why would I do that I I
want to be yes that's tell me what and
then once you realize wait I am actually
serving a master that I did not realize
I was serving which is a desire to look
smart and so I was like oh God so let me
now shift over into um what are things
that actually work and focus there and
once you go oh this thing failed because
I didn't do the right things heard got
it now it's like if I do something
different I can get a different result I
if you just live in that Loop of okay
well then what's the different thing
that I need to do and every time this
goes wrong it's entirely my fault even
when it's not it's just so much more
empowering to go it's all my fault where
are the ways what do I do differently
next time and so my team sometimes it's
hilarious cuz they think they're talking
me off of like some suicidal ledge when
I'm like I'm the reason that episode
failed I'm the reason this initiative
didn't work um and I'm like but you have
to understand when I say that I don't
feel worse about myself I feel better
because I'm willing to admit my
weaknesses well do you remember H I know
you had that Epiphany when you came on
my show and I talked about you having a
prescriptive mindset I'm wondering if we
should talk about it now because it
seems like an appropriate time to do so
and to your audience which is a much
larger audience than mine so in decision
making there are three ways that you
could study decision- making you could
study decision making in a normative way
how you ought to behave so that's the
classical Economist who tells you if you
prefer car a to car B and you prefer car
B to car c then by the transitivity axum
you have to prefer car a to car c if you
don't do that you're violating an axium
of r choice so that's called normative
decision
making descriptive decision- making
which is the world that I have usually
inhabited you just describe Behavior how
do people make decisions how much
information do they look at before they
commit to a choice which by the way was
the topic of my doctoral dissertation
prescriptive World in decision- making
where I think you very much fit in so uh
let's suppose I'm this is called a
traveling salesman problem uh you have
10 cities that you have to visit as a as
a Salesman you have to visit each one
one time and return back to where you
started in which order should you visit
those cities so as to minimize the
travel cost the solution to that problem
uses something called operations
research it's a it's a Applied
Mathematics algorithm but it prescribes
optimal Behavior if you wish to so to
your point about what's the goal I'm
trying to get to if I wish to minimize
travel cost this is the sequence in
which I should visit those cities to
minimize cost that's called prescriptive
decision making and there's a whole
field in Applied Mathematics and in in
the business school called management
science where you try to come up with
mathematical models to either minimize
something or maximize something right
and in the time that I've gotten to know
you in all of our conversations
you are basically on
orgiastic prescriptive mode every
syllable that comes out of you is you
solving the traveling salesman problem
uh I mean you make me feel so seen guys
it's 100% true no but it's I It Feels So
quote unquote right to me that I'm
always shocked that not everybody lives
there fulltime but okay so what I'm
asking you to speculate here what
happens when you have two podcasters by
the way doing an interview what is it
that makes you so have such a pensent to
is it is it that your dad taught you
early in life to be a problem solver and
there the exact opposite okay uh so it
I'll call it the Kobe Bryant Awakening
okay once you realize you can get so
good at something that people can't stop
you how you spend your time becomes a
spiritual consideration m so it's like
whoa whoa whoa you're telling me that I
can point myself at anything and I can
get a hundred times better now you're
the 50% that's hardwired it's going to
matter a lot so I'm never going to be
good at soccer like you are for people
that don't know you were a worldclass
soccer player until an injury no matter
how long I played soccer I was just I
didn't get disproportionate returns to
the energy that I put in but if you take
verbal things I do
so I realized okay wait a second within
the things that I'm good at I can get
really good if I put time and energy
into getting better at this thing and
then once you do that and you in my life
is a real example I took myself from
scrounging in my couch cushions to find
enough change to put gas in my car so I
could go to a job interview to building
and selling a company for a billion
dollars through ideas same person was so
broke he was scrounging in his couch
cushions and then you know whatever 15
years later same person but now Having
learned a bunch of skills is able to
build something of tremendous wealth and
and at this point I've now built three
uh multi-million dollar companies and
three wildly Divergent Industries these
are very repeatable things so now
running inside of me is this algorithm
that says skills have utility and I look
at a world of people that want things
they have hopes they have dreams and I'm
just like your dreams can come true
we're all limited by who we are but if
you can get a 100 times better at
anything you care about the the
difference is so unbelievable and so I
have this like Evangelical sense of the
the um reborn of being like in my mid
20s I thought I was going to be a
failure forever I encounter a set of
ideas they Rew warp My Lens the funh
house mirror that I see the world
through and all of a sudden I start
seeing a different world start acting in
a different way and I start getting a
different result now when that happens
and you love people all of a sudden
you're like hey let me tell you about
this thing that I call skills have
utility and I'm like you don't read a
book to check it off or to tell people
that you read it you read a book because
you can learn how to do something other
people can't do and now with YouTube you
can collect all these skills and do
things that people can't do it's
unbelievable and so because I am a
prescriptive personality and I'm so
orgiastic in love with the fact that I
can learn a thing do a thing and then
people can't stop me and I can make my
life look the way that I want it to look
it is the ultimate in agency and
autonomy and I just want to give that
gift to everybody do you have a sense of
how foolproof that prescriptive
trajectory is and before before you
answer so I I had a maybe two three
months ago a impromptu X spaces with
Elon Musk right and a lot of the
questions I was asking him is you know
uh what part of Entrepreneurship do you
think is born versus you know uh made uh
n nature nurture and so on and one of
the in answering one of the questions he
said something that actually an
economist at my alma Moder had also said
his name is Bob Frank that luck I mean
it sounds Hocus Pocus but that just the
sto I mean to put it in fancier terms
the stochasticity of life is is often
times the thing that stops that
prescriptive foolproof thing from
working so when you if someone comes to
you and they're fully invested in
learning the recipe that you're willing
to impart and share with them how much
of that could be short circuited by [ __ ]
happens in life so that Steps A B C D
even though I can almost guarantee you
they're going to lead to where you want
to go actually end up failing what's the
failure rate due to
stochasticity okay so now we're talking
the second law of Thermodynamics so one
of the most important things you have to
get an entrepreneur to learn or somebody
trying to win a gold medal in the
Olympics uh in Judo let's say
um are you using that example from my
brother of course uh you have to get
them to understand that everything
really does move towards chaos the
reason it feels like the world is
working against you is because it
actively is in business or again in
sports uh for every day that you're
training in Judo somebody else is
training and they may even be
specifically training trying to beat you
there are companies right now I'm a
podcaster for the love of God and I make
video games it's like two things that
everybody in their dog is trying to do
so it's like there are people that are
actively trying to learn what I do and
then do it better than me so you're up
against that at all times so now the
second law of Thermodynamics also states
that the only way to bring order to the
chaos in a closed system is by pouring
in energy and so now it's just like hey
Nature has already given you the
blueprint if you want to do a thing
you're going to have to work
extraordinarily hard in what I call the
physics of progress because you can't do
this dumbly uh if you want to then
outperform your competitors and so
there's a whole nest of values and
beliefs that people would have to have
to have the right frame of reference to
do it um most people no matter how great
their efforts are going to be consumed
by the fact that the world is actively
working against you and so just be
careful what you pursue and so I think
the right fundamental question to ask in
life is not what what would I do if I
knew I couldn't fail because failure is
the most likely outcome what you should
ask yourself is what would I do and love
every day even if I were failing and if
you do that then you're going to be fine
do you have a sense out of all the
people that have been privy to uh you
know your teaching what percentage once
they implemented it have found success i
b parket at 2% is that right huh most
people will quit the reality is success
is because they didn't Implement your
prescriptive trajectory or they did and
but just [ __ ] happens the No it's it's
not even that [ __ ] happens cuz you you
will no matter what if you're living in
the physics of progress well you will
make advancements you may never have the
billion dollar exit but you'll do very
well for yourself what ends up happening
is people
use affect as information see how fast I
learned look at you uh and they fail at
something and makes them feel badly
about themselves they take that
information to mean that this process
sucks and they quit that is 98% of the
world got it the gentleman if I remember
my reference well or my citation the guy
who is most associated with the affect
as
information shortcut is a professor of
psychology uh I recently gave a talk at
USC where the after I finished my talk
the audience was astoundingly hostile
and he began the Bering he was the guy
who asked the first question uh and
super Progressive super woke I was
talking about deontological versus
consequential and so on they weren't
happy that I said anything complimentary
about Donald Trump and it's funny
because I revered and respected this guy
as a very serious highly cited uh
academic
psychologist and I do believe that he is
the gentleman that that that developed
the idea of aac's information and then I
saw him acting in the
parasitized unhinged way that he did and
all of that intellectual Capital that he
had built in terms of the respect that I
had for him as an academic psychologist
went out the window the only reason I'm
saying that story is only because we
mentioned the affc this information but
it also demonstrates how someone can be
astoundingly accomplished in Academia
and yet in other facets of their lives
be complete babbling idiots yeah I think
it's because they're they're running a
frame of reference that doesn't make
sense so it their frame of reference
allows them to thrive in Academia but it
is missing a core component which to me
by default I always just assume they
don't know what they want or they're not
living in a loop of how you actually get
to what you want right um and so then
it's deranging and they just have a
what's happening is you're having a
collision of either values or beliefs so
values being the way the world ought to
be beliefs being what you think the way
the world actually is I would love on
like Twitter for everybody to focus on
okay hold on I want to understand your
position what are you actually saying
like right now man I would love to sit
down with Destiny not to debate him but
to understand something broke in my map
of his mind and so I bet if you asked
him he would say I'm acting completely
in accordance with my belief system the
person that this is the guy who said had
a reaction that was unsavory toward the
Donald Trump assassination is that
correct the guy that got killed um he's
like making jokes at his expense and say
that I would make jokes of anybody that
supports this traitor Donald Trump uh
and Destiny is a very smart person but I
cannot I can no longer predict the
things that he's going to say which
means my map of him has broken and so I
want to understand what belief that he
holds in my missing or what value set
that he holds in my missing so for
instance the um the first thing that put
this on my radar was he said I don't
have sympathy for Donald Trump or any of
his supporters and um that includes the
guy that got killed and I was like whoa
so that is that violates my frame of
reference because my frame of reference
is I don't want to see people die and uh
I for sure have sympathy if it had been
somebody that I don't want to see get
elected I certainly don't want to see
them hurt killed um that's just
horrifying to me uh like I don't even
this shows how politically actually I'm
not super political I the stuff that I
touch on that's political is because it
is cultural in nature those are the
things I talk about but when Nancy
Pelosi's husband got hit in the head
with a hammer and some people were like
making jokes about it and stuff I was
like yo imagine someone showing up at
your house with a [ __ ] hammer and
beating your head in dude I don't care
like that's nasty yeah that I just don't
wish that on anybody so anyway when he
said he didn't have sympathy I was like
whoa something in my mental map of him
is broken because I don't understand how
somebody comes to that conclusion uh
unless they say my enemies are worthy of
um derision not only derision violence
yeah and so and that if it happens to
them I don't give a [ __ ] well because
he's bought into Donald Trump is
indistinguishable from Hitler therefore
if you are a supporter of Hitler then by
any stretch of the imagination you are a
reprehensible human being don't I don't
know that I want to put that on him
because I've never heard him say it's
possible it's possible I just haven't
heard it okay uh but even if that's what
he's saying what I want to understand
because it filters down into and thusly
I have no sympy so what I want to know
is okay I need to know your world view
so your worldview is such that if
somebody is bad for
democracy that anything goes if somebody
is um a traitor to their country because
he has called him a traitor anything
goes like or not anything goes but
getting shot in the head that's still
funny like I I really want to hear again
going back to I'm not going to judge him
until I understand what he's saying I
can tell you it triggers my moral alarm
Bells it feels absolutely heinous but
because I don't understand yet his own
position I could not say his position
back to him without guessing I first
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today so let's let's contrast this guy
with uh do you know who uh I think his
name his first name
is Haya I think senoir he's I think I I
mispronounced his first name senoir is
the h Mass leader who was in a Israeli
prison m for his terrorist activities
was diagnosed with a very aggressive
brain tumor and the Israeli
surgeons cured him removed the tumor
saved his life he was released from
prison and he was one of the architects
of the October 7th uh reality right so
now contrast I don't know who this
Destiny guy is but let in his case he's
say saying look my moral calculus is
such that if you are a supporter of
Donald Trump and there's a bullet that
hits you and you die then I think that's
a that's a good thing the isra talking
about
deontological uh ethical systems the
Israeli uh
surgeons abided by the Hippocratic Oath
that said that that deontological
expectation supersedes even any disdain
that I have for my most avowed enemy in
this case I mean literally right like a
leader of Hamas who's in prison because
I've taken the Hippocratic oath I have
to save that person and I think that's
actually one of the problems that we're
seeing talking about our earlier
conversation about some of these
deontological principles being
violated it used to be that you would
think that the Secret Service transcends
politics right once I decide to sign up
and take an oath as a secret service
agent then it doesn't matter whether the
guy that I'm protecting is of this
political persuasion or that that
deontological expectation supersedes
those political machinations if I am a
physician and I take the hypocritic oath
that supersedes anything if I'm a Jewish
physician and I get a Islamic terrorist
I am bound to save their life I should
show you from Mill University Mill
University is one of the well it's the
top top university in Canada it's
typically referred to as the Harvard of
the north consistently gets ranked in
the top universities in the world its
medical school is is a one of the top
medical schools I received anonymously
from a medical student at
McGill uh information from third fourth
year medical students and residents who
are Islamic and the things that they're
saying about Jews in terms of if they
were their patients and so on that's a
problem because that deontological
expectation that is enshrined in the
hypocritic oath for those who don't know
the hipocratico comes from hypocrates
from several thousand years ago uh the
founder of modern medicine in ancient
Greece uh nothing should violate that
hypocritic oath but yet once I start
meting out my medical intervention as a
function of whether you're in my tribe
or not the whole system breaks that's
what you expect in the Middle East
that's not what you expect in a medical
resident in North America but now that's
becoming normalized and so unfortunately
I think Destiny is suffering from that
deontological violation it's interesting
I'm not close enough to it uh yet to
know whether he is or not but there's
certainly enough evidence of things like
that happening now with uh Dei or diie
as you say um walk me through some of
that so I want to look at this to the
lens of Canadian immigration so you said
something that I had literally just no
idea uh you said if you live in Montreal
and that if you go out in the morning to
get a cup of coffee uh and if you walk
past 20 women 12 of them will be veiled
now do you mean a full hijab hijab not
the full nikab or burka okay those you
still don't see too often in Montreal
but wearing the head covering so the
now that when you're doing that you may
be a lovely person right again I I hate
I find it cheap and unnecessary to
always say oh no but there are infinite
number of lovely Muslims I think it's
important okay fair enough especially if
you're going to get clipped which you
will Fair exactly fair enough okay well
I I have more Muslim friends and fans
than most people will ever meet okay I
come from that region I speak the
language that's fine but once you wear
that scarf you're saying I pledge
allegiance to that religion part of that
religion has some really really nasty
things to say about me my children my
wife therefore do I have the
evolutionary right to be concerned that
my the demographic reality of my city is
getting islamized at a very
large rate well I think any normal
person would say yes so I'll give you
context uh we moved to to Montreal 1975
first year of the Civil Lebanese Civil
War from 1975 till about the late 90s I
saw a single woman veiled in all those
years one time I saw a woman veiled and
then it was 10 women then it was 60
women then it was 6,000 women now we can
walk in Old Montreal as we did about two
weeks ago you wouldn't be able to tell
that this was a western
City the non hijab women were in the
minority that can't bold well that
doesn't mean that each of those people
is not lovely but if de demography is
truly Destiny right there in the
organization of Islamic cooperation it's
the OIC it's the umbrella group that
puts together all the Islamic countries
in the world there's 56 Islamic
countries in the world and the 57th
would be the Palestinian territories
okay so 56 plus the Palestinian
territories each of those societies was
once 0% Islamic none zero and then one
day you closed your eyes and you opened
your eyes they became 99% Islamic now in
some cases it was very violent it was
with the the sword of Islam but in other
cases it wasn't it took 500 years for
the islamization to happen it was done
very gradually so it's not as though the
the islamization of a society is always
through violence I mean it it it often
is in the majority of cases it is Islam
is a colonizing Force right so if you
care about the Jewish colonialists in in
Israel then you certainly should worry
about the 400 million colonialists that
surround Israel which Once Upon a Time
none of those societies were Islamic
right so my concern whether it be in
Montreal or it be in Dearborn or it be
in Minnesota where we've got right is
that demography is Destiny and most
people don't have the imagination to
extrapolate into the future right
because I live in Newport Beach where I
don't see that so it probably doesn't
really matter right there is no such
thing as diabetes because I don't have
diabetes but it only knocks on the door
and becomes relevant when I get diabetes
then diabetes begins to exist so for
example you see today a lot of the
Jewish billionaires that that are uh
there are Alum alumni from many of these
uh uh prestigious universities all of
the years that some of us were standing
on top of the mountain and screaming
they said ah doesn't really affect me
but when it affected your son at your uh
beloved uh University post October 7th
you woke up and said Woo what's going on
but all the signs were already there for
you to see them but you simply didn't
have the imagination to extrapolate that
it was coming for you because it didn't
affect you personally that's one of the
things that I find the most regrettable
about the architecture of the human mind
which is most people completely ignore a
problem until it literally bites their
ass until then it doesn't exist right
and so guys like me who stand on top of
the mountain saying look it's coming for
you you don't know how many emails I
receive Tom from people who say oh I
should have listened to you about such
and such but at at first they would mock
me and say aren't you being islamophobic
aren't you being hyperbolic aren't you
exaggerating but now they go their child
goes to a school where they're being
bullied because they are in the minority
in their school go to France and see
what's happening go to Malmo Sweden and
see what's happening go to Germany and
see what's happening look it doesn't
take a fancy Professor to know this all
societies are not equal not not in the
sense that that necessarily that this is
superior to this one some societies
think that there is a a very effective
conversion therapy for for it's it's a
gravity based conversion therapy we
throw you off rooftops and that solves
your your your gay issues right that's
called Gaza on the other hand Tel Aviv
is a very lgbtq friendly place as a
matter of fact arguably it's the third
friendliest number one San Francisco we
can argue maybe New York Montreal is
very gay friendly and then we could
probably argue that Tel Aviv is one of
the most lgbtq friendly places so if you
are someone who presents yourself to the
world via your queer identity it is
difficult to understand how you would be
queers for Palestine that's what
parasitic thinking is how is it that if
you are so vested in your queer identity
you're not going with the society that
celebrates your queer identity but you
go for the one that reviles DET tests
your what what's the answer to that
because there is an answer so he here by
the way is where I are this is where the
the metaphor of of the uh neurop
parasite is very apt so let me give you
a few
examples the wood Cricket literally a
wood Cricket abhor water it doesn't want
to go in water when it is parasitized by
a hairworm the hairworm needs for the
wood Cricket to jump merrily into the
water because in order for it to
complete its reproductive cycle needs to
happen in water so it literally rewires
the wood Cricket's brain so that when it
typically abhor the water it now merily
jumps in and commits suicide in the
service of the reproductive interests of
the parasite and that's why the
parasitic mind became the success that
it did because it aptly and accurately
and poignantly captures what happens to
human brains when they are prone to
ideological Raptor so Ana Epstein do you
know who an EP is name Anna Epstein
Jewish Anna Epstein who went I think to
either Boston College or Boston
University I can't remember which one it
was was caught on camera on
tape uh ripping off the photos of the
kidnapped Jewish babies so imagine if
you're the parents of Jewish Anna
Epstein I'm paying $80,000 for you to go
to shishi Boston College and the best
use of your time to demonstrate your
bonafed Progressive credentials is to
rip down
the posters of the kidnapped Jewish
babies now had you Anna Epstein been at
that Nova Film Festival there would have
been a nice lineup for the gang rape
that you would have experienced but
you're Progressive you're enlightened
you're not like this bigoted guy in
Montreal called Gad who's warning you
about what's coming for you you you've
transcended that therefore you are
ideologically parasitized so that's how
you explain it it literally is that
right so queer for Palestine I also can
you can you speak directly to
um what value she's got a collision of
values right so um it's easy to talk
about queers for Palestine that that's
just a self-evident collision of values
so Palestinians uh are not pro
LGBT and obviously if you're LGBT for
Palestine you are so the question
becomes they then have another value
that's writing in a a more important
place than that so I will not succumb to
bigotry okay there is there is nothing
worse than for me to be bigoted against
the noble beliefs of others that's the
highest virtue that I can attain and
when I say that Islam might contain
tenants that are fully incompatible with
our values that feels icky that's go
that's ugly I've been taught that there
is nothing more laudable than being
accepting and tolerant of the noble
people over there and therefore the way
that I demonstrate that is that I will
show that by ripping that because I
don't I hate zionists are pigs zionists
are the really and and my parents are
Jewish speaking as Anna Epstein now but
I renounce that because it is bigoted I
by the way I have a good friend her name
is Fatima and she's really lovely and
she's never beheaded anyone let me tell
you a quick story two quick stories you
ready is this about Fatima the person
who doesn't behead it's it's it sort of
she's my
favorite two stories that I actually
describe in the parasitic mind that
perfectly captures parasitic
thinking and I I'm almost certain I
didn't discuss this before on your show
so hopefully it's new
territory Story one tal nitan doctoral
student Jewish tal nitsan doctoral
student at Hebrew University prestigious
University in Jerusalem she's doing a
doctoral dissertation she's studying the
rampant instances of the IDF the Israeli
soldiers raping Palestinian women she
goes out and tries to uncover the
rampant the the ep the epidemic
proportion of rapes she comes back with
not a single documented case so her
hypothesis her driving hypothesis for
her entire research has been falsified
in the most astounding of ways right
what do you think she then
concluded I know the punchline oh you
know the punch line because you've heard
me say it okay I wish that we can uh we
well thank you for your honesty I wish
that we can pull your your viewers
because I'm almost certain that not a
single person would guess it
it would be surprising if they it would
be exactly because it's almost
impossible for a well functioning human
mind to engage in such diabolical or
gastic
parasitic thinking thinking in quote she
says
aha the fact that the IDF soldiers don't
rape any of the Palestinian women look
how much they marginalize them they hate
them so much they they othered them so
much that they're not even worthy of
being raped so that's why in the in the
peric mind I have a section called all
roads lead to bigotry right if the IDF
soldiers had raped the Palestinian women
they're evil Zionist Jewish pigs if the
IDF doesn't rape a single Palestinian
women they're evil Jewish Zionist pigs
so all roads lead to and and this is tal
nitsan saying it Jewish tal nitsan what
could be more paric than that second
story that kind of speaks to the Fatima
angle a Jewish woman whom I had
originally meant at University she was
an administrator we had become friends
approaches me I think in 2010 and says
to me uh sends me an email and I've kept
all those emails by the way I have them
locked and loaded uh she says to me God
you're you you know a lot you come from
the Middle East you know a lot about
Islam I'm I'm very good friends with a
woman who a uh Muslim woman who is doing
her PhD in Islamic Studies at Mcgill and
uh she's telling me that uh Islam loves
the Jews and reveres the Jews and that
there's no there's no such thing it's
absolutely it's it's a misunderstanding
that there are there's any animous
towards the Jews what is what's the real
answer so I send her a TW about a 20 or
22 minute Montage not not not created by
me it was an existing one where it was
covering a huge swath of imams Islamic
scholars actors things that are taught
in kindergarten to write fables soap
operas that are speaking about her
question what does the Islamic World
think about Jews and it is stuff that
would if the Nazis were watching it they
would say o even by our standards of Jew
hatred I mean we're Champion Jew hatred
I mean hey we wanted to exterminate Jews
so we really are Olympic level Jew
haters even by our standards this seems
over the edge it's a bit too much gerbal
said that and himler and Hitler got
together guess what her response is to
me just sharing that
clip see that story you don't know no I
don't know this one you know what God it
seems like you're no different in your
extremism than they are so let's step
back you reached out to me and asked me
a genuine question about what is the
official position of Islam about the
Jews I share with you one piece of
evidence which is a 20 22 minute montage
and that leads you to think that I am no
different in my extreme now why did she
say that it speaks to your earlier
question of why was she doing that Anna
Epstein it feels icky to her because she
has a very good friend I'm going to call
her Fatima but whatever her name is
Fatima is a lovely girl they go out to
Coffee together she's never uttered a
single syllable that is negative towards
the Jews as a matter of fact they're
friends and she's Jewish so now here
comes this guy who has spicy language
who can be irreverent and he shares this
clip there are two things I can do here
I can either look at that go holy moly
that was ugly or I can shoot the verbial
messenger you know what God you're
indistinguishable in your bigotry so my
sharing the Jew hatred of the other is
indistinguishable in my being a bigoted
towards Muslims all right this obviously
only works uh on the people that are
willing to have their minds changed but
one thing that I often don't see in
debates of these Styles is asking the
person to um basically lay out their
values so okay uh quer for Palestine
nice and easy it's a great Collision
moment what do you care about more um I
don't want to be bigoted okay so um is
there anything that another culture
could do that would make you say no I
can't I can't be on board with that even
if it means that I am being bigoted
towards you no there's nothing okay now
we know literally they're in tossing
kids into a meat
grinder uh and you're going to be fine
yep I'm going to be fine okay cool it I
at least know where they're at getting
people to say their value system in like
order of priority is I think a really
clarifying thing often times for people
because I don't think that they've gone
any farther than when I think about to
your point uh about thinking my way of
doing things is better than theirs it
makes me feel icky I've been I've heard
this whole story about being a
colonialist I don't want to do that
America I think from American context
I'm sure it's very similar in Canada uh
we just wiped out the and we just took
their land and I know all of South
America basically the same thing none of
this feels good we had slavery like this
is just all bad there's no way for me to
justify this and so yeah my life is
great there's a Starbucks in every
corner I'm warm in the winter I'm cool
in the summer this doesn't seem like a
big deal I don't want to feel icky and
so they're stuck at that layer they
don't understand that they have a
competing value system in their own
minds this is why when people ask me
about my success I always say there's
there is a line of De demarcation when I
realize
I was living in service of a value I
didn't even know I had and then once I
forced myself to articulate what was
actually governing my behavior I was
suddenly like whoa uh I don't want to do
that and so by then having to document
what my values are rank them all of a
sudden I was like oh [ __ ] I actually
want to change some of this so that now
I can move in a direction and so getting
people to talk about that look I get
that it will have limited utility some
people won't do it but it's like until
we can do that we're not going to make
progress
and so I saw a debate with ironically
Destiny and uh Norm finlin Ste yes uh
and like 20 minutes into the debate I
realized guys until you ask Norm one
very simple question uh should Israel
exist you're never going to make
progress because you're you're arguing
at the level of specifics what my wife
and I call don't argue about the Tea the
biggest fight we ever got in O was over
a cup of tea and of course we realized
there's no way we're actually arguing
about tea and we finally got to the real
issue so Norm's whole thing is Israel
should not exist period end of story
just no if hands or butts and so any
argument you give me about well but on
this day it was promised or but they
attacked on this day and and because of
that there's going to be
retribution it it's going to be
nonsensical for him but somehow the
debate is never about Israel shouldn't
exist convince me otherwise because that
that's all anybody should be talking
about is right there at that level so
now the hard question that I have is
okay your tense about people and I would
be too because look at the end of the
day in fact to make my position very
clear here's my base assumption I have a
set of values um I don't even need
people to believe that my values are
better but I will simply say that I have
a North star of human flourishing for as
many people as possible and I'm going to
hold my values and beliefs uh to account
for whether they're moving us towards
that or not now anybody that that takes
a different approach
I am going to have a problem with that
but that's my value set now I live in a
place where my value set roughly is
dominant so I feel completely good and
comfortable with the way things that
move even when I disagree with things at
the margin so I live in a country that
has Western values I'm going to be tense
to anybody that doesn't want to
assimilate and I'm going to be excited
about anybody that does want to
assimilate so I grew up in a Melting Pot
I could not care less what your
background is in terms of your ethnicity
none of that matters to me but I care a
lot about your values now if you're
coming here and you want to be as like
80s American as I am and be like you're
down for Honor Schwarzenegger and
Sylvester Stallone movies uh you're my
kind of person um but anybody that is
going to make me feel uncomfortable
having those values then I'm going to be
like whoa whoa whoa and I would defend
my value so let me just build on what
you just said a lot of the people who
will come in who do want to change your
value system won't at first because the
numbers are not in their favor yep right
so it really is a numbers game I mean it
really is that simple there's nothing
complicated about so I talk about I I
wrote an article once about cultural
homop right homop is being attracted to
similar things right so for example in
in school right in in in human mating we
it's birds of a feather flock together
the successful marriages are the ones
where the two partners have shared life
goal goals objective if I'm a costic
atheist and you're an avowed Catholic
not withstanding the lovely Mantra of
Love Will Conquer All we're starting off
on the wrong statistical foot and that
statistically we're not putting all the
uh the bet in our favor okay so cultural
homophile basically says that it makes
sense for me to bring in immigrants who
share the foundational values on which
my Society is built therefore on average
if I bring in a lot of people who come
from Argentina or who come from Denmark
I don't care about their skin color I
don't care about their religion but to
the extent that if there is a metric on
which we can measure the foundational
cultural distance between us and them
they're going to be closer then those
people are simply going to have a
greater likelihood of assimilating so
therefore we've had in Montreal I mean
Montreal is truly a multicultural City
tons of jamaic and Haitian and Italians
and Greeks and Vietnamese and Korean and
right and everybody gets along Islam
comes in we start seeing a problem why
because what is at the root of the
tenants of Islam is it one that teaches
that we should all get along or is it
one that says that we will all be United
peacefully under the unifying flag of
Allah oh yeah it's the latter one now is
Islam a proz religion or is it one that
says like in in Judaism why is it by the
way that there are only 50 million Jews
in the world I mean we really suck at
increasing our club well it's because if
you tomorrow tom decided that you wanted
to convert to Judaism canonically within
the tenants of Judaism everything will
be done to try to dissuade you from
converting let alone the fact that the
conversion process is a very long one
because the idea is that you have to be
truly pure in Soul in why you're
converting and so we're going to
constantly test you to dissuade you from
coming into the the club as a as a as a
costly signal of your true wish to want
to belong now imagine if another
religion says that my fundamental goal
is to turn everyone who is not like me
like me and all you need to say is a
single sentence publicly and voila you
be become part of that club therefore
you don't need to be a big marketing
genius to say which one is going to
attract more customers is it the one
that doesn't allow for many conversions
or the one that proles as its
fundamental value well Islam does does
that right and therefore there's always
going to be frictions once the two
cultures clash with each other that's
why Samuel Huntington wrote a very
famous article in I think 1993 on The
Clash of civilizations he was talking
about the Islamic versus non-islamic
world again I don't need to be lectured
by people about the fact that Islam has
done wonderful the Islamic architecture
there was a time when there was Islamic
Renaissance where the it's true that
Europe was in the Dark Ages and of
course I mean people are people humans
are humans they are smart and bad people
in every faith and so on but the
codified tenants of Islam do they allow
to use your terms you maximal human
flourishing well nothing could be clear
and the answer is no in that it doesn't
Grant you the Dignity of individual
Freedom right and therefore it's going
to clash with a society that is built on
individual freedoms and individual
dignity now again today when Islam in
the United States is at one one and a
half 2% you're not going to see it much
it's not going to matter when it's going
to be 10% and 12% and 15%
you're going to be sending me an email
saying oo I think I should have listened
to you by the way to close the
parenthesis on that woman that I had
sent her the clip about three months ago
Tom she sends me an email 14 years after
that original exchange and she goes I
don't know if you remember oh I remember
you're in the parasitic mind although I
didn't mention her name I didn't I
didn't violate her identity but she
probably didn't read uh the parasitic
mind cuz she's saying I don't know if
you remember we had a spicy exchange 14
years ago where and well now I've kind
of come around to seeing it well yeah
because now you live in Montreal and
you're seeing the changes of the past 14
years and probably your kids were beaten
up at school because they were not
Muslim and so that's the regrettable
part which is we could solve this
problem today with lust Bloodshed or
we'll solve it tomorrow with more
Bloodshed people will wake up the
problem is that the correction will not
be
peaceful yeah so it's a uh this is an
intertwined web that I'm just now
beginning to think through but I one
question that has to be asked is to me
this is just how Global movements work
and so we think we're at the end of
history but the reality is that we're
not and that people are um conquered
colonized uh just Savaged throughout all
of history and if you look at migratory
patterns so uh you're looking at
Montreal and saying hey I don't want to
have a bunch of people that don't share
my values I have a feeling you'd feel
that about any place that was going to
want you to live under their values
instead of just leaving you be so can be
Muslim can be whatever uh could be
martians right so I just I don't want
people to overly focus on Muslim though
that is the reality that we're talking
about right now um but that is
uncomfortable for you but this is
exactly from my early read and tell me
if you think I'm getting something wrong
exactly how Israel ended up coming to be
was like hey we want to get more and
more Jews that have been scattered all
over the world come in just first it's
about numbers it's about getting people
here slowly slowly slowly and so how do
you think about that when it's like okay
at one point for some people that you
will forever be tied to whether you
agree with it or not but uh Jews went
and literally made a nation by slowly
moving into that
space and now I see it playing out
across Europe I see it playing out in
Canada I I'm sure it's going to start
playing out in the US and I'm like yeah
I get the game like We As Americans we
did the exact same thing to the Native
Americans we came in we like this place
looks nice and so how do
you how do you think through that
problem look uh gam Mayer Who was the
Prime Minister of Israel I think maybe
the fourth from maybe 196 69 to 73 or
something around that I I might get the
numbers wrong she was the first uh
female prime minister has a couple of
quotes that really capture the the the
Dilemma in in that region one thing she
said is that uh if the uh Palestinians
learn to uh love their children as much
as they hate ours or something like that
then would have peace uh I maybe I
botched it a bit and the second one is
that if we we put down our arms there
would be a genocide if they put down
their arms there would be peace it has
nothing to do with a with peace of land
it has nothing to do with contested
territories let me break it down for you
I recently discussed this on The Joe
Rogan show but it's worth repeating here
for those of you who don't watch Joe
Rogan Islam has the concept it's a it's
a duality concept the world is divided
into two there is Dar Islam and dar
harab dar Islam means the house of Islam
dar har har in Arabic means the house of
War so the entire world is broken up
into either blue or red house of Islam
or House of War what does that mean any
land that Islam conquers and then loses
is forever more canonically under the
house of Islam any land that is not yet
ever been colonized and conquered by
Islam is in the house of War it is to be
conquered that's why the end result is
that Islam is peaceful because it seeks
peace through the unification of the
entire world under the unifying flag of
Allah okay now in the Middle East every
single society that had existed prior to
Islam has been eradicated right there we
in Egypt Coptic Christians were the
majority now they constitute 10% of EG
Egypt okay in Syria there was huge
Christians Lebanon used to be a
predominantly Christian country within
my lifetime and yours Lebanon went from
being predominantly Christian to now
being majority Muslim within our
lifetime not 500 years what happened to
the Iraqi Christians Persia had a
culture before Islam now it's become
Islamic so no ideology has conquered and
colonized as much as Islam has so if
you're worried about the colonization of
sanism then by any stretch of the
imagination if you're going to be
logical then you have to be worried and
upset about the colonization of 56
countries that didn't weren't were once
not Islamic and in many cases they were
they were they they became islamized
through Brute Force that's why there is
the sword of Islam it doesn't capture
that we are going to bananas together it
captures that I put the sword to your
neck and when I conquer you I give you
choices three choices either convert or
die or live as a demi dii means as a not
not even second class citizen you're a
third class citizen right so for example
Jews and Christians have often been
tolerated under Islamic law so for
example you hear about the Peri the
golden period of Andalusia right which
is in current Spain all that that means
is that you are tolerated until you're
not right but you're always walking a
precarious W high high wire right on any
given moment you better put on your
really fast running shoes and run really
fast because your head is going to be
detached so we lived very nicely in
Lebanon until we didn't right and that's
the history of the entire region now
Jews have existed in the Middle East for
thousands of years because the before
the word Islam ever came to be so if
we're going to use historic historical
precedents it's a game that the enemies
of Judaism are going to lose but here's
what I propose how about you teach your
children that there could be people who
live next to you we can debate where we
draw the line but there is a group of
people that have thousands of years of
provenance to that Land by the way
Palestine when you said Palestinians
until recently it referred to the
indigenous Jews of that area called
Palestine Palestine as you hear it today
is a concoction from the 1960s there is
no Palestinian people they're Jordanian
they're Egyptian right there is no such
thing as Palestine other than it's a
territory that has been uh mandated by
different groups a while back by the
Ottomans more recently British mandate
and so on so imagine if we can teach the
children of our neighbors that Jews have
a right to exist we can be neighbors
let's love each other It's Perfectly
Natural for us to coexist do you think
that Israel is actually interested in
committing a gen genocide because if
they wanted to commit a genocide well
let's let's let's think it through it
would take well less than the time that
I've been on this show today for every
single Palestinian to be eradicated
given Israel's might is that is that
true is that a true statement it is okay
yet they haven't done as a matter of
fact the Palestinian population has
increased fivefold so Jews are really
[ __ ] at the genocidal game because
population increased five-fold right
when when the Nazis were trying to
exterminate the Jews they were trying to
get rid of them they got rid of 6
million so the reality is that
Palestinians are taught that the highest
value to speak earlier about our what we
were talking about what's your value
what's driving you in the morning there
is no greater goal than to
liberate all of hence free free
Palestine from the river to the sea from
the Jordanian River to the Mediterranean
Sea free of Jews I grew up in that world
I speak to those people I mean now it's
harder for me to speak to them in Arabic
because they recognize me but 25 years
ago when I wasn't as known and I could
mixed amongst the folks who speak Arabic
it was very clear Jews are a Cancer in
that region and we must get rid of them
as we have all other societies right so
there are many other religions that had
flourished historically in that region
they've all magically disappeared where
are they what happened to them crack a
history book okay what do you hear
things like Christians are a Cancer as
well or is it just that their slow march
to get people to convert or leave just
so that's a great question so there is
an expression a saying in in in the
Islamic context first we come for the
Saturday people then we come for the
Sunday people the Saturday people are
the Jews the Sunday people are the
Christians so it always starts with the
Jews but it never just ends with the
Jews because again a fair World a just
world is where everybody is Islamic and
I'll tell you what I want to find though
is is there a specific animus for the
Jews because if you if there's just like
this sort of rolling thing of like okay
we're 90% Christian now but you know in
500 years we're going to be 10%
Christian and that's just we are better
at propagating things making people less
comfortable being here whatever and so
over a long enough time period we're
going to win in any region that we go to
but there's no particular animus for
Christians or Jews it's just like we'll
get rid of them but if there's specific
animus for Jews that there isn't for
Christians even though theyve both been
pushed out of the region then obviously
it begs the next question which is why a
specific animus for the Jews it's it's
canonical it's in it's in teach Quran
that's right it's well there are there
are three three quote holy books in in
in Islam there is the Quran there is the
Hadith and then there is the S the the
the biography of Muhammad okay and now
different people they could be quranic
literalists who say no no no I only rely
on the Quran there are others the Hadith
are basically the the deeds and the
sayings of Muhammad but the and and then
there is a mechanism by which you assign
to a particular story in theth its
veracity so in Arabic sah means uh well
how true it is and so here is a story
that's narrated by such and such about
how Muhammad did such and such and by
the way because Muhammad is the Ultimate
model to emulate forever more then those
stories are really important because
they become moral teachings about how to
act so if Muhammad did behave your ex
one of the reasons why now you may think
that that behavior is reprehensible but
the reason why you can't say that that
behavior is reprehensible because how
could it be that the most perfect moral
person that's ever lived would ever do
something that is reprehensible that
that's why you get the mental G
gymnastics of trying to justify why he
did this and and not that okay so those
are the three books that you rely on and
we don't have to guess Bill Warner who
is by training a physicist so he trained
in the scientific method many years ago
he he founded a center called the center
for the study of political Islam where
he applies what's called content
analysis to answer such questions does
the Quran and the Hadith have a lot of
Jew hatred in them well I don't have to
guess that I can use the scientific
method to gauge that how do you do that
so what content analysis does is it
allows you to come up with a coding
scheme to do the hermeneutics the the
the the content analysis of any text so
for example if I want to
study literature so never mind religious
text I want to study how often in
classic Cannons of Western literature do
we place greater value on female Beauty
in the protagonist versus male Beauty so
there is a tool I can use called called
the content analysis that would allow me
to say out of these 100 classic liter
literature uh novels
79% of all cases where a character is
described with regarding their beauty it
is female so it's clear it's clean so I
can go to those texts and study what
those texts say about Jews it's not
pretty Tom it's really not pretty as a
matter of fact Bill Warner compared the
amount of Jew hatred in mine
com you know the guy with the little
mustache I do you remember him yeah For
Better or Worse remember remember him
okay there so Bill Warner does an
analysis of Jew hatred in Islamic text
versus minec oops it doesn't look too
good so you don't need to believe God's
side but you have to do something that
most people to go back to our earlier
Point find very very difficult to do
it's called think it it's very hard for
me to go
and apply my cognition I'd rather just
hear Barack Obama tell me that Islam is
peace and it teaches peace it doesn't
right I mean look have we talked on this
show about the Jew hatred that I face
growing up in Lebanon think well we
certainly did the first time I can't
remember if we did last time time but
the so the Jew hatred part we will
certainly get to what I'm trying to
tease out is um so there's there is
a narrative going around about what's
happening with Israel yes that I think
is very difficult to tease apart so uh
one narrative is that this is really
just about this tit fortat back and
forth you killed this person we killed
that person take from if you start the
clock at October 7th this really it's uh
crazy making but if you take it back
from a just a question about whether U
more people were bombed on what side or
how people were killed uh it it really
gets deranging now the way to start the
clock for me is looking at when Israel
itself as a nation was formed that feels
like it's a very important moment of how
did it happen What would I expect people
to have a reaction to that and then to
spend time on the question of um what
are the consequences of Israel existing
I won't even ask whether it should exist
because now I'll leak my own bias it
does exist it has existed for a while uh
and just like um so my wife's family
lived in half the family lived in the
part of turkey sorry the part of Cyprus
that got um invaded and taken over by
turkey they lost everything in an in
Turkey is what religion uh I will assume
it is Islam
yeah okay so anyway setting that aside
for a second um they came in divide the
island in half the north is now Turkish
and the south is Greek uh I my mother
stepmother-in-law uh lost everything
again in an instant and so I know
somebody who will cry if you even bring
it up it was a very traumatic moment
obviously for the family but the
response has been it it's divided it's
done we're not going to go in and lose a
bunch of life trying to reclaim this
we're know whatever 50 years down the
road uh so that's very much the take I
have hey it how it came to be is a very
separate question from whether it should
exist it does exist it's there I think
it has a right to defend itself all that
good stuff but I can understand from a
um you guys uh Jewish people moved into
the area slowly built up the population
and now some Jewish people moved into
the area there were many Jews who lived
in that area for thousands of years
before Islam existed they are indigenous
people Fair Jews are indigenous I
wouldn't expect that to be any comfort
at all to the people that just like are
in Montreal right now I don't expect it
to be comforting to you if we suddenly
found out that Muslims that lived there
a thousand years ago right it's like
sure but my family's here my value
system Reigns Supreme uh and slowly but
surely people are coming in and asking
me to live in their way so let me let me
contextualize this for you in a very
rich personal history my brother-in-law
is Egyptian Egyptian Jews African Jews
North African his family is from
Alexandria that's where a lot of the
Egyptian Jews were then in the 50s it
became untenable to be Jewish in Egypt
so they escaped and left so remember
that story so kicked out of Egypt
never mind Egypt of the Pharaohs many
thousands of years ago okay my
grandparents some of them were Syrian
Jews they were they left Syria because
it was now precarious to be Jewish in
Syria we ended up in Lebanon we're all
Lebanese we were kicked out of Lebanon
because we're Jewish my wife's family
are is Lebanese arm iian they were
kicked out of Lebanon because they are
Armenian
Christians their ancestors 1915 were
exterminated in Turkey right so just
within my family I've just given you
Egypt Syria Lebanon and turkey what's
common to all those four is the ideology
that's driving them what's also common
is that the victims of that ideology
were a minority in that bigger land so
Israel that's what happened to the Jews
when they had to flee some decided to
stay so in 1948 the Civilized World said
look there are two peoples who live here
let's divy it up we can debate about the
the details but that'll put us into
weeds that we'll never solve the big
30,000 foot story if I'm coming from
Mars is that there are two people who
have historically lived there
sometimes nice together sometimes not so
nice and usually when it's not so nice
there is a dynamic as to who's the
perpetrator and who's the victim that's
unequivocal and then one day the
Civilized World in part precipitated by
the fact that some really bad things had
happened to Jews in the Holocaust said
you know it would be fair All Peoples of
the world have land that they call their
own it would be fair if a slice were
given to these people and to those
people the Jews said perfect let's do it
and they took a very very uh less than
generous deal the other group said
absolutely not now the other group
doesn't include Palestinians it's the
Arab world that's why in 1948 there was
a war of annihilation which the Arabs
lost then in 19 so sorry this is going
to fractal really fast and so I want to
take one issue at a time sure okay I
want to see if I understand your
position correctly on
um what it is like to encounter a Muslim
population so Muslims take over that's
part of the ethos of the religion um and
that you didn't say this but I have a
feeling that this is part of what you're
trying to stop me from doing uh not to
get sucked into the level of the
conversation about um how Israel was
formed that's you're you're going to
miss the bigger point which is uh I get
sad have a mess message to the west and
my message to the West is um Muslim is
atiz religion it will come into an area
it will build its numbers up and it will
um being generous using their own
language they will unite us all in peace
under Allah exactly okay now that
doesn't mean as I say that that 99% of
Muslims don't go about their day merily
living peaceful good lives not caring
about any of the canonical texts that
call for Islamic Supremacy but that's to
be distinguished from what the dynamic
of the demography will result in which
is there is no place that Islam has gone
where there has been an increase of
flourishing of people who were not
Islamic you know we just have to crack
books there's a lot of data there's
1,400 years of data across 56 countries
okay so Israel
the world decided it should exist and
Israel said great let's live together
let's shake
hands the other Camp said that can't be
right by the way on his deathbed
Muhammad said promise me that you will
rid Arabia of the Jews that doesn't
sound very peaceful that seems like it's
not a good idea okay so now we have this
bunch of Jews who are uh they have the G
and hpah of being able to forge their
own destiny of actually being militarily
powerful no I will tolerate the Jew as
long as you are a good Demi and if I
decide that your daughter is really
pretty and I'd like to marry her you're
going to Fork her right Jew that's what
it's called to be a dii open it dii by
the way you spell it in English DH MMI
your viewers can go and read it later
okay so yes Jews are tolerated in
Islamic lands until they're not
tolerated know your place Jew be quiet
don't cause trouble okay so in
1948 a bunch of Arab countries decided
to attack Israel and they were going to
solve the problem and in which case we
would have free free Palestine free free
Palestine would not have been we're
going to allow the je it was an
extermination War they lost it then 1956
came along and 19 1956 the president of
Egypt was Gamal abdan Naser he was a
very charismatic populist guy he was a
pan arabist meaning that he was trying
to unite the entire Arabic Nation we're
all one nation in Islam there's the
concept of the umah the umah is Islamic
Nation I could be Malaysian I could be
Indonesian I could be Albanian we're all
United under the the the family of Islam
it doesn't matter where I come from okay
so he and the rest of the Arabic
countries in the region attacked Israel
again so now we have 1948 a war of
extermination they lost 1956 war of
extermination they lost
1967 Another War Six Day War they lost
1973 yum kipur War they lost these are
Wars where many Arab countries
outnumbering the Israelis 100 to1 attack
to solve the problem to have free free
Palestine from The River To The Sea done
with the Jews they lose now Israel at in
one of those Wars had won the entire SI
Sinai Peninsula which would make the
land mass of Israel 50 times bigger so
if they were a colonialist who's that
are who are trying to grab land mass
they would have kept that land you
attacked us we want it it's now part of
our thing they gave it back to anir
Sadat when in 1978 the Camp David occurs
where Egypt recognized Israel so Israel
said we're willing to give up a land
mass that is 50 times bigger than all of
current Israel which we won in a war
that you attacked us but please F off
can we live in
peace okay and then since n since that
point there's been several intifadas
each of the
does is to solve the Jewish problem
right in the Hamas Charter it says
you're going to annihilate not just the
Jews in Israel all Jews there is a
Hadith that says the world will not end
until the tree speaks out and says oh
there's a Jew hiding beh behind me
that's not you can go look it up right
now does that mean that every Muslim is
walking around wishing to kill Jews of
course not do I have tons of Muslim
friends who come to my house and don't
give a sh about any this of course yes
but Islam as an ideology is it one that
promotes individual flourishing
coexistence no so nothing could be
clearer than that so you know I didn't
give a damn about Israel until October
7th I mean I have a lot of family there
but I didn't even care so much about my
Judaism but I know that the other folks
care about my Judaism so it became
really important for me to be Jewish
post October 7th and when I was running
running really fast as a kid to not be
decapitated being Jewish is number 977
of interesting things about Gad but
you're forcing me to care about my
Judaism because when I'm afraid to walk
on campus because there is a bunch of
Maniacs screaming from The River To The
Sea then I have to care about being
Jewish but if I could never hear about
being Jewish again I would be perfectly
happy so this problem will be resolved
when the Palestinians decide that the
world life is short and there are such
incredible things to do together when
they internalize that message and say
there are people over there who are not
Muslim and they have a right to exist
and I will no longer teach my children
to want to Aspire to kill them in a holy
Jihad we will have peace until then
we'll never have peace okay I want to
say your position back to you to make
sure that I understand thank you for
giving me the opportunity to speak for
so long damn it of course I this
obvously is one of the most uh difficult
and intractable problems of our time my
thing is I want to understand where
everybody actually is and I understand
that you don't live in Israel and like
you said being Jewish is not a big part
of your identity but um I also think
that you understand this problem better
than a lot of people so uh okay I want
to say back your position to make sure
that I understand it that
um if going back to the goldie mayor I
think that was right gold May the quote
that she had that if we put down our
weapons there will be a genocide if they
put down their weapons then there will
be peace um that we are in a situation
where Israel has since its forming been
attacked multiple times W those Wars has
taken over 50 times roughly the
territory that they have now maybe not
50 but that was Hy very large amount of
territory they go to Egypt they say hey
we're perfectly willing to give that
back because we want peace but there is
something in the relationship between
Israel and what we would Now call the
state of palestin or Palestinian people
I'm am well aware of all the controversy
there including that they were not
considered a people until like 1967 is
the first time if you check the engrams
report that you'll see them being
referenced as the Palestinian people I
understand how that's a potential
manipulation but I also understand that
even people in Manhattan think of
themselves as a people and if suddenly
they found themselves having a reason to
identify we are manhattanites then all
of a sudden you'd be like well nobody
ever talked about manhattanites but it'd
be pretty disingenuous to not think that
they had an identity uh so um you've got
that remaining friction there you
believe that the animosity is driven by
something innate to Islam as a faith
that is um is is it is canonically
anathema for them to have a Jewish State
on land that was previously um in the
house of Islam Islam yes we have the
house of Islam the house of War it was
ruled by the Ottomans ottomans are
Islamic it cannot rever Andalusia today
in Spain the islamists will say
inshallah we will reconquer it because
there was a period in in the period of
Andalusia that it was controlled by
Islam therefore Spain itself is Islamic
land understood okay so um because of
that doctrine that that is the reason
that there is this ongoing animosity
that is never going to stop because it
is baked into the religious uh doctrines
and that this is also why you don't want
it exported to the West because you
understand how that plays out okay have
I understood everything so far okay so
the the point of collision that I see
now is um when I mentioned Cyprus
getting cut in half uh that felt like
well this is what they do right turkey
is an islamist nation and so of course
they're going to do that and keeping
with all the things that I just laid out
um but Israel did that in the land that
they now hold they came in they built up
people and then eventually worked with
the British and the French to do back
deal Trading and get into the whole uh
Lawrence of Arabia thing where even he
felt like oh God we're betraying the
Arabic people and doing what we're doing
and so anyway the Jews end up getting
Israel as a state and give which is a
small part of a much bigger partition
yeah yeah no I totally understand all
all I'm getting to is when I talk about
it on Cypress it's like yeah bad on
turkey for doing that but when I talk
about the Israelis doing it it's
understandable and I'm just saying to me
that's going to while I actually agree
with your um it is true that until the
Palestinians think about a wonderful
future for their children and that's it
they're just obsessed with that I want
to get my kids educated I want to make
sure that their world is materially
better I want them to believe that their
kids will be better than their lives
which are better than my life like that
that is a way of thinking that with my
value system leads to prosperity and I
don't understand anybody that points in
any other direction but um but that
point is the one area where I step back
as somebody who's you know I'm just
obsessed with what's going to work yeah
and I see this remaining point of
friction where
until and I don't even know that this
will solve a problem but it seems
self-evident to me that Israel did come
in they colonized the land they won and
that's going to have a consequence it
depends what you mean by colonized Jews
were on that land all we did is we drew
a line that said said that this is where
now we're going to create it's not they
didn't magically come from Arkansas Jews
are not came from all over Europe though
they by the way they came from all over
Europe precisely explaining why you need
a land of Israel or Judea because they
were kicked out of many places so all
that happened is that through a
civilized mechanism it wasn't through
War it wasn't through Butchery the
Civilized World said there are two
people who live there let's draw some
lines we can debate which is a good way
to draw it or not where this side will
be for Jews this side will be for
non-jews but imagine that that happened
in Montreal you would not be it's
happened in every single millimeter on
Earth since Lucy Walked Out Of Africa
it's called history 100% for example
Saudi Arabia Arabia
was was dominated by several Jewish
tribes so let's now have a return of
those Jews to Saudi Arabia so history
the world history is a forensic
accounting of who did what to whom right
so now let's talk Palestinian
okay in
1974 I'm going to tell this these
personal stories because there's going
to be a lesson at the end of it okay and
I'm going to uh give give you the
punchline move on already and you we're
going to link it back to the other thing
we lived in Lebanon the PLO came PLO is
the Palestinian Liberation Organization
they came in headed by several
factions uh fat
abuid uh
yasat the PLO came in caused havoc in
Lebanon okay in 1974 my brother my
eldest brother who now lives in Montreal
who married a Christian Palestinian girl
okay which didn't go well either for her
family or my family and by the way they
alop to your earlier anecdote where to
get married in Cyprus because in Lebanon
because you have to typically be married
by religious authorities Interfaith
marriages were frowned upon the only way
you could get married is by eloping to
Cypress which is like a 20 minute uh
plane ride you you take off you land in
Cypress you get married you come back in
1974 before the Civil War
started my brother and his then either
wife or wife to be uh who had blonde
hair which is a rarity in the context of
the Middle East where people are darker
was were stopped by a PLO militia
checkpoint and they looked at my brother
and said oh that's a nice looking watch
he said oh you're not getting that watch
that's a gift for my mother then they
looked and said wow that the wife of
yours she's really pretty the blonde
which means you either Fork up the watch
or it's going to be a problem for your
thing okay very shortly afterwards my
brother and his wife who they've since
divorced immigrated to Montreal before
the Civil War let's move on now to when
we were living in Lebanon during the
Civil War we ended up having our home
stolen and taken by Palestinian refugees
yes you you're you're quoting this
okay my parents on one of their return
trips to Lebanon in 1980 were kidnapped
by Palestinian militia and tortured and
I won't get into the details of what
happened to them and okay I sit in front
of you so there's that's a small part of
my experience our home was stolen by
Palestinian my brother was left Lebanon
because of Palestinian
intimidation we my parent par s were
tortured and I won't tell you my mother
and so on today I don't hold animus to
Palestinians it's a very ugly part of my
childhood it's a tragic part of my
family history but I have [ __ ] moved
on the way that I conquer life is I put
those things behind me and I say I'm
going to live a dignified life that is
hopefully meaningful that hopefully I
can tribute to life I don't hate all
Palestinians the Palestinians who did
the things that they did to us are not
the Palestinian that I meet today I've
moved on that doesn't negate the fact
that bad things happened to me imagine
if the Palestinians had that same
mindset was there on a particular Farm
an older gentleman who was removed from
that land when they redrew the thing
absolutely is there someone who suffered
in the redrawing of the line in
1948 100% what's the solution because
you got to get out of this this where
your your your beautiful house is does
not belong to you [ __ ] there's
someone else who has claim to this place
where I live in Montreal it's Algonquin
and iqua land I shouldn't be there or we
recognize that that's history bad things
have happened throughout history and we
move forward that doesn't mean that we
ignore what happened to it's part of the
fabric of who I am but I move on so the
only pathway there is nothing unique
about what happened to the Palestinians
as a matter of fact what happened to the
Palestinian is astoundingly less violent
than other places where people were
taken over it wasn't done through
violence it was the Civilized World
saying I'm going to redraw the map so
move on but you can't move on because it
is baked in the fabric of your identity
there can't be Jews there and therefore
as long as you've got that mind parasite
we're never going to solve it so I'm
giving you a personal story I have faced
great much greater hardships than the
cafia Karen who buys her cafa from
Columbia University through Amazon she's
not a real
Palestinian my family was married to
Palestinians my parents were tortured by
Palestinians but I've moved on why can't
they move on why is there a unique
United Nations Refugee group that is
only Reserve to Palestinian what about
the
sudanes what about the
yazidis what about the endless other
Islamic refugees that are not
Palestinian they don't have the dignity
but that's what parasitic thinking is
there is something unique about the
Palestinian problem you know why because
the the perpetrator are called Jews no
Jews no news where are the protests for
the yazidis that were raped in the
thousands where where was the protest
what happened to the Sudanese what's
happening to with the Nigerian
Christians that are being slaughtered by
boo Haram in Nigeria way more than
anything that's happening with Israel
but there it's not the Jews doing it
therefore we yawn in apathy what
happened to Bashar al-assad killing
500,000 of his own people Muslims why
weren't there any protests because it
doesn't matter but Jews if they do
something wrong in quote then we react
so it's baked into the endemic Jew
hatred that is part of that reality once
you get rid of that once you say I want
to live a dignified life that is greater
than simply hating the Jews we will have
peace I get and by the way once you
unleash the cultural richness of the
Middle East by the way I love Arab I'm
I'm Arabic right if you ask me what are
you I don't I don't say I'm Jewish I say
I'm Lebanese I'm Lebanese I wish I
regret that my kids didn't learn Arabic
I don't say they didn't learn Hebrew I
speak Arabic right the Arabic people are
hospitable you want to come to our house
for dinner prepare to have stretch pants
15 pounds you're going to we put on
we're hospitable when I say we I don't
mean Jews I mean Arabic people there are
there is such cultural richness in the
Middle East that if you can get rid and
get over the hump of this ridiculous
religious tribalism by the way there are
Jews who are also very tribal in their
animous toward not nearly as much but I
I know some of them some really Ultra
Orthodox Jews that are not fans of right
but I am am an Arabic Jew so I can
navigate through both there there is
potential you know you have oil in the
Land There is this potential that's
waiting to be Unleashed instead of what
happened to Gaza today where it's bombed
into Oblivion look at the images before
October 7th it was a gorgeous place with
hotels up why don't you build
universities there why don't you turn it
into Singapore why don't you turn it
into the Silicon Valley of of the Middle
East such bright people such hospitable
people such warm people such love but
you've got this religious ideology that
doesn't allow people to coexist solve
that problem you'll win the Nobel Prize
and you will have eternal peace simple
as that what would this have looked like
if Christians had come in and taken
Jerusalem and for anybody that thinks
that sounds crazy during the Crusades
that's exactly what they did from time
to time they did and certainly was their
aim would this be they would have moved
on by now because there's no Jewish
tension or there would still be tension
because uh so look the the way the way
remember I mentioned earlier di which is
this the status of this
is means the the people of the book
meaning that monotheists like Christians
and Jews can be tolerated when Islam
comes in because they are people of the
book as long as they live as demies so
the Animus also applies to Christians
the this is why you also have what I
said earlier first we come for the
Saturday people then we come for the
Sunday people so it's not as though
Christians have it nice and easy but
there is something unique that is baked
into the Jew hatred because remember now
we can speculate although the
speculation is pretty veridical why that
originated what do you mean pretty
veridical ver uh pretty pretty accurate
so I'm I'm speculating as to why
Muhammad was so uh uh filled with Jew
hatred maybe it's worth to give you a
bit of an Islamic lesson I mean not not
necessarily just to you for the audience
there are two periods that Muhammad had
in his career there is the mecan period
and the medinan period the meccan period
is where he was preaching a message that
was a lot more peaceful you have your
religion I have mine no compulsion in
religion they often the Islamic
apologist will quote you those those
those parts
okay then he moved to Medina and in
Medina he changed his marketing message
it became a lot more violent he went
from being able to only attract a few
people in many many years of proling to
conquering huge swaths of land and
getting millions of adherence once he
changed his key pitch okay are you with
me yep now the Quran has elements from
both the meccan period and the medinan
period at times they contradict each
other how could they contradict each
other when every single syllable in the
Quran is the final inherent word of
Allah that could never be changed well
then you come up with a mechanism called
abrogation abrogation is the mechanism
that seeks to theologically reconcile
contra predictions in the
Quran if an earlier passage says no
compulsion in
religion the Jews are not are they have
their right to their thing if a later
verse in the medinan period says the
opposite the later verse abrogates the
earlier verse it nullifies it it's null
and void that's how you that's called
abrogation so your viewers can go and
read it so
therefore he started going around and
saying hey I'm the final Messenger right
and then people said yes sir there is
this one [ __ ] group of folks do you
know what who they're called they're
called Jews who said uh sorry Muhammad
thanks we're good we've had a
monotheistic region uh religion for
thousands of years we're good we're not
converting so in the dynamic in the
ecosystem of Arabia in the time of
Muhammad there was one pesky group of
folks who didn't want to receive his
message that's why on his deathbed
promise me that you will rid Arabia of
the Jews so therefore so to answer your
question in a very big theological
way there is unique animus to the Jews
because they they were
particularly staunch in their rejection
of him being the final Prophet therefore
they're [ __ ] they need to be
exterminated everybody's falling in line
except those [ __ ] okay so that's
baked into the religion now let's fast
forward 1400 years in my reality growing
up amongst Islamic folks you've probably
heard me mention this Six Degrees of Jew
I tell you any
Calamity how many causes steps does it
take for you to blame it on the Jew in
the context of the Middle East it takes
one link hi Ahmad let's kill the Jews
let's go have coffee that's it that's
the way the mindset works it rained
today it's the Jews it didn't rain today
it's the Jews I my wife had an
extramarital affair who's the porn
Peddler Jews control the porn industry
had she not watched porn she would have
never had those by the way those are not
not things that I'm making up those are
real things that are said I'll give you
a very good
example I posted about two months ago a
a set of a a police lineup of a gang of
men who had been caught grooming and
gang raping young British girls in
huttersfield which is a small town in
England now you may or may not know this
but there been about 2530 years of
industrial scale level gang rape of
young British girls this is government
reports you can go check it later which
the government kept trying to suppress
because it would be say the word with me
islamophobic if that came out right so
they would arrest the fathers who would
walk in as their daughters were being
raped you can go all check it out by the
way if you want to see a guy go check
out Tommy Robinson who's a British
Patriot who's been fighting this for 20
years he I recently had him on my show
so I put up now this happens in
Rotherham it happens in Rockdale it
happens in Oxford it happens in
huttersfield it's up and down Britain
90% plus
95% of all the perpetrators are Asian
men well I'm Asian they're not referring
to the Lebanese Jew but that's a
euphemism because you don't want to say
what they really are in France you don't
call them what they are you call them
Legion the youths you always have to
come up with the euphemism because it
would be islamophobic to say what they
really are okay now I put up the image
of the 20 guys that had been caught and
their names are listed because they were
going to be arrested and convicted and
so
on their names you want me to summarize
their names for you or Muhammad Ahmed
Ahmed Ahmed Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad
Muhammad Muhammad Ahmed Muhammad Hussein
Muhammad Muhammad Ahmed Muhammad okay I
put up in my typical satire I said I
don't have the big data analytic brain
to be able to use some kind of algorithm
to see what is common to these guys
could somebody help me out and find the
common thread guess what a
million uh Jew haters came and said who
was to blame for that the Jews
why uh this is unfortunately I know
again a punchline because I know you so
well uh but because they control the
open
borders George Soros is an open border
Society guy he's a Jew he's an acolyte
of Carl poer who was a very famous
philosopher Jew who started the open
Society therefore anytime you have the
reflex of of Western societies having
open borders that reflex stemmed from
behind the scenes the Diabolical Jewel
Jew parasitizing the otherwise Noble
westerners who wanted to protect their
land so when three muhammads gang rape
your daughter it's morai to really blame
so how can you then fight that if you
can't even muster your ey and direct it
to the culprit of the rape then we're
doomed and by the way since October 7
I've seen that expanded to levels that
are unimag I mean I've seen it all I
grew up in the Middle East but I was
taken aback by the level of Jew hatred
after October 7th everything is blamed
on the Jew and I mean I try to interact
with people even Anonymous people that
have egg as their bio everything can be
linked back to the Jew everything I mean
literally I mean I'm surprised that the
assassination attempt on Trump hasn't
been convincingly linked to some minut
give it a minute give exactly so early
it's still very early so how the hell do
we end up there like what is it so that
becomes its own parasite idea that
somehow people latch on to in a way that
I've never quite understood um there's
two people that have commented on this
that I find very interesting uh and one
of them is Thomas soul and Thomas Soul
said uh for the Jews to stop being
persecuted all they have to do is fail
exactly that was brilliant uh and then
Jordan Peterson who said they have a
standard deviation increase in IQ and it
just creates problems Envy is in the
seven deadly sins for a reason right it
is a deadly cardinal sin because the
moral philosophers and theologians who
came up with those seven sins understood
human frailties and envy is right there
because it is such a as we discussed
earlier when we were talking about
conspicuous consumption it is such a
driving force of the architecture of the
human mind now in any society where Jews
end up so I'm going to borrow here a
term from Professor Amy Chua who's a law
professor at Yale and a friend of mine
who's been on my show she introduced the
term Market dominant minorities meaning
these so you can have for example in
Indonesia they're may be
Chinese minority that controls 70 % of
the economy of that so that's called a
market dominant minority well wherever
Jews go to use her term they're a market
dominant minority because by definition
they're a very small number they are
only I appeared once on The Joe Rogan
show and I asked him precisely because I
knew he would fall into the Trap I said
can you guess Joe how many Jews there
are in the world and then he pauses and
he goes uh a billion I said is that your
final answer he goes no no no you know
what you know what $500 million and then
I told him it's about 14 15 million and
then he goes you know Jamie is in the
background who's the producer who does
the fact checking on you and then he
checks he goes oh my God you're I said
what do you think I just made up the
[ __ ] okay so it was about 14 15 million
but you somehow think that there's many
more because in medicine in film making
in art in philosophy in Academia in law
and everything there is an astounding
disproportionality to the number of Jew
so I I could do one of two things at
that point if I'm a non-jew I could say
what's the secret of those [ __ ] so I
can emulate so to to to go into your
prescriptive world what is the algorithm
that they're running so that I can
emulate them and I'm going to beat those
[ __ ] or I could succumb to envy and
say those diabolical [ __ ] and so
that's what you get now let's go back
again to the self-serving bias
attributing successes internally and
failures externally when I walk around
in the Middle East as a average middle
easterner and my life is sucky but when
I go to the hospital the director is a
Jewish guy and when I go to the
university the top professors are godamn
it but I thought we were the Believers
Muhammad promised us that we're the
thing yet those diabolical evil Jews
seem to be controlling everything well
what do you think I'm going to do
they're the shaan shaan is the devil
they're the devil as a matter of fact
there are some people who think that we
just have to really scratch here to
really see my horns MH that's taught in
school we both know you took them off
before we started filming exactly trueid
exactly and and by the way if you look
in my back you see a bit of the tail
obviously because we're rats we are
descendants as it says in the Quran of
rats and pigs whoa that's a nice thing
to say that's very peaceful thing to say
so my point is are most Muslims lovely
of course like they [ __ ] Jews and
nice Jews they are [ __ ] Muslims and
and the distribution is no different all
people have nice and bad we're talking
about
ideology to use again your mindset what
is the optimal algorithm that will lead
to maximal individual flourishing well
we certainly have all the data from 1400
years that says we shouldn't be signing
up for more Islam in our societies does
that mean that we shouldn't let Muslims
in of course not but when you come in
you leave that stuff at the door if you
have any beliefs that are antithetical
to our foundational values you're not
welcome here if you leave them at the
door come in my brother let's build a
great society that's built on plurality
that's great so if Islam decides that
that's what it wants to do then I think
there'll be no problems but that's not
what it wants to do and the only the
only Catal you know when you have
shingles it lives in you and then it
could at one point come out and when it
comes out or you could live with it your
whole life and it never erupts so what
happens with Islam it's not going to
cause major problems when the numbers
are still very low that's why if October
7th by the way had happened 25 years ago
you wouldn't have seen the Rabid Jew
hatred on campuses that you see today
why because today you have sufficient
numbers to hold the rest of us hostage
so now extrapolate in 20 more years with
open board ERS you won't only have
Dearborn and
uh Minnesota where uh what's her name um
the Somali yeah ilhan Omar yeah right
it'll be all over the place and now
they'll get into the politics and now
they'll for example at my University
there had never been we're a sec Quebec
is very very anti-religion historically
because there was a push back against
the Catholic church and so it so Quebec
was founded on in French you say lot uh
secularism okay but then so so I never I
I've been a professor at my university
for 30 plus years we never had religious
accommodations there were many many
religions that were around but about 10
years ago we had to have a meeting to
talk about religious accommodations
whose religious accommodations do you
think we had to worry about I can't
guess yeah there you go because now the
numbers were sufficiently high that the
accommodations were coming not violently
but there was a finger pointed at you
but in 20 years inshallah when there'll
be a lot more of us it won't be the
finger that's pointed at you so I only
tell the truth as taught to us by
history never mind personal experience
so you can ignore it but you can ignore
it at your peril it's coming for you
okay it might take five years it might
take 500 years but as the Taliban said
to the Americans you have all the
watches but we have all the time in the
world so it's a slow game sometimes we
go into a society and we eradicate you
in 10 minutes sometimes it takes six 600
years for us to become majority but we
will become majority one one final point
I'll se the floor back to
you Islamic uh well they call them
islamist but there's really no
distinction between islamism and Islam
islamism is just an inherent part of
Islam islamism is just the political
wing of Islam okay islamists said many
years ago that we're going to conquer
the west through three means and you've
probably heard me mention this before
number one we're going to conquer the
west through the womb of our women
demography you idiots don't even have
the 2.17 replacement rate that is needed
you produce 1 point something we produce
4.6 we can enter into a calculation to
tell us when it will be that we will be
majority so number one we will conquer
the west through the womb of our women
number two We Will Conquer The West
through Hijra Hijra is the Arabic word
for
migration right Muhammad migrated from
Mecca to Medina okay so we will conquer
the west through migration go ask what
the Germans think now about their Open
Door policies and number three We Will
Conquer The West by using your miserable
freedoms against you and that's what
they do so they're telling you what they
want to do now again 99% of Muslims
couldn't give a damn about anything that
I'm saying here they just want live
peaceful lives but it's a demographic
game so if you wish to retain your
freedoms you have to be careful about
any ideology listen if there were
extremist Jews that were bent on
imposing their beliefs on us I would be
sitting here talking to you and saying
be be wary of too many moris but that's
not what Jews do right so it it's not a
unique it my warnings are not
dispositional to the traits of Muslims
right when people attack me they attack
me dispositionally I am a Cancer by
virtue of being Jewish it's in my
innateness I am a rat I am a colonizer
I'm a baby killer I'm evil I'm demonic I
never say this about Muslims I don't
believe that because it's not
dispositional they are parasitized by an
ideology that tells them that they have
to conquer the world rid of that and we
have no problems where do you think the
intersection of this meets with the
suicide of the West as we look at the
campuses it um I don't know how to make
sense of what I see on campus well I
mean I posted you probably remember it
and probably about two weeks after the
October 7th I posted a tweet that went
viral I don't know 20 30 million people
read it and I it went viral because it
speaks to the question you're asking
because unlike my usual demeanor where
even when I'm dealing with very serious
issues there's a twinkle in my eye I'm
Smiley I'm the happy warrior I joke
around it was very solemn it was very uh
ominous because I was almost conceding
defeat of the West because I was
basically saying that all of the
corrective measures that would be
required to save Western values I don't
see them being done I see them I see us
doubling down on the policies that have
led us here and then that you can't how
could you win if that's the case right
if if if you're if I'm your physician
you come to me and I say Tom I'm very
very sorry to tell you you have cancer
and then your answer is well there is no
such thing as cancer and if there is
cancer it's the Jews who did it well and
if it's if it's cancer it's probably the
Jews who are holding back to cure and by
the way I'm going to prove you that
there's no cancer because I'm going to
inhale this bag of asbestos well then
I'm going to say okay well you I thought
that you had three months to live you
probably have a week to live okay so
that's what's happening with the
warnings that people like me get by the
way Ayan hery Ali you know who she is
right Ayan hery Ali is a Somali of
Muslim background she's she's had
genital mutilation done on her right
when she goes around saying hey be
careful Islam is not here to live
peacefully amongst you what do people
call her racist she's a black Somali
Muslim
she's racist because cfia Karen who is
from Arkansas originally who goes free
Liberation Palestine and bought her CFA
at Amazon knows Islam more than me and
Ayan hery Ali so that's why I worry
about what you're talking about because
if you can't get westerners to wake up
to say this is tolerable in our society
this is not and that's why my next book
suicidal empathy exacerbates the problem
because it basically says it's go for
you to criticize Islam nobody is
criticizing individual Muslims who are
just as lovely and nice as anybody else
does is if I if I now criticized
communism let's let's do an analogy is
communism the ideal sociopolitical
economic system for maximal individual
flourishing definitely not definitely
not and we could say that and you
wouldn't be afraid of being accused of
being a communist phobe and that you
communist phobe right but when the
ideology cloaks itself in the robe of
religion that's said Kryptonite don't
say a word you have no right to
criticize my religion if by the way I
could show you clips of imams in
Montreal caught I'm guessing
surreptitiously at their sermon talking
about the extermination of Jews and yet
the authorities go yeah but you know he
said it at a it's in at a mosque so I
mean I mean if it were Hitler saying the
extermination of Jews he's saying it
outside a religious thing so that would
be go but can you really criticize I
mean that's his religion he's got a
right to say that so once we lose that
reflex and say no no no no any ideology
if Judaism tomorrow goes insane and
starts preaching things that are
contrary to our Western values I'm going
to stand up and fight against Judaism so
it's nothing I didn't wake up and say oh
I I want to spend my time criticizing
Islam as a matter of fact for 25 years
in in Montreal I never uttered the word
Islam it was it was in my rear viiew
mirror I left Islam but then Islam came
for me in Montreal and it's coming for
you tomorrow so be careful listen to the
people who've immigrated from those
societies and and heed their warnings
nothing good can come from a society
that loses its fundamental individual
rights and Islam is a collectivist
society you're part of the umah just
like Mount Tong just like communism all
by the way in Orthodox Judaism they all
dress the same way why because
individuality is the enemy of a
collectivist ideology how dare you
choose your sartorial Garb and your
colors no you're just an insignificant
ant and by the way I get pissed I'm
Jewish when we walk in the Jewish
neighborhoods and I see them all like
that you should see the things that I
tell my wife so you might you might
think I'm anti-semitic then because I
say what kind of nonsense is this you're
stuck 5,000 years ago where the kids
will only learn a s how to read a single
book the Torah they don't know about
poetry from the Renaissance they don't
know any of that stuff you don't know
about Harry Potter bro come on they know
about Harry Potter right that pisses me
off what if I want what if I what if God
sad had been born in a hidic community I
couldn't have had the dignity to study
evolutionary psychology because I have
to spend all by the
way a rabbi told me he was telling me
about you know we want to marry our
daughters to Scholars and when I said
well you know I'm I'm a I'm a Prof I
said no but that's that's not really a
scholar a scholar is someone who studies
the Torah the talmud they're Scholars
you're doing fake [ __ ] right so I'm
also against those guys right so I'm
against anything that is contrary to
individual flourishing Live and Let Live
don't mess with me I won't mess with you
so to go back to the Middle East let's
have a separation let's intermingle if
we want to Let's recognize the
Palestinian right to exist you do the
same and let's shake hands and let let's
create a cool
environment simple as that I love it Gad
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