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do you think given the stuff you're
doing in Ai and Longevity that the
people that are alive now have a shot at
Living forever I think they definitively
have a shot if you're in reasonable
health for the next five six years of
extending that Health span another
Health span right night lifespan Health
span another 20 or 30 years and that say
that in another way in the next five to
six years next so by
2030 right I think we're going to enable
everyone who's in reasonable Health
today to intercept breakthroughs that
will add an additional 20 or 30 healthy
years of
life and what's interesting is that
during those additional 20 or 30 healthy
years we've got Quantum Computing we've
got digital super intelligence we've got
new capabilities of modeling cells and
modeling entire organisms to understand
why we age how to slow it stop it
reverse it and that get us to living
forever perhaps maybe there's some
fundamentals that we don't understand
but uh I think there's pretty much
nothing that we are not going to be able
to
overcome uh as as humans in partnership
with digital super
intelligence okay so if I'm
understanding that right so average life
expectancy here in the US is something
like 78 yeah 78 79 and average Health
expectancy right so your your heart's
ticking till 79 but you're healthy on
average till 63 which I am right now I'm
63 years old I find myself in the best
health I've ever been and I feel blessed
about that but I work on it right every
day I was in the gym this morning I'm
what I'm eating my mindset my sleep all
of these things and so there's a 17-year
gap between when your health runs out
and how long you live the first goal is
can we close that Gap
can we keep you healthy you know fully
till 80 and then can we start to extend
that health and that longevity so you're
more confident that we can extend health
then we can extend the total amount of
time that people live I I think I think
that we will be able to definitively
expect to get over 100 years old and get
there with there right we know that
humans can live to what 122 123 122 is
the record today and we know that um we
also know that there are there are life
forms on this planet the boohead whale
can lift at 200 years the Greenland
shark could lift to 500 years old have
babies at 200 years old when I was in
medical school and I remember reading
that or watching it on a documentary I
said why can they live that long and why
can't we and my first reaction was it's
either a software problem or a hardware
problem and we're going to be able to
solve that and I think this is the
decade that those Solutions are coming
into
existence Okay so so talk to me about
the mechanism what is it that makes you
more confident in health versus just the
is it pure just I don't know enough
about what makes something stop running
that makes you unsure that you can go
beyond
120 yeah yeah let me let me give a few
uh previous basic concepts so number one
um humans were never designed to live
past age 30 if you think about this
100,000 200,000 years ago on the sabanas
of Africa before there was birth control
you were in puberty by age 12 you were
pregnant by 13 you're were a grandparent
by 27 MH and before we had McDonald's
and whole food before we were living in
a food abundance and food was scarce if
you wanted to perpetuate the species the
last thing you wanted to do was steal
food from your grandchildren's mouths so
you would die and so we are in Peak
Health at around age 27 28 29 and then
it's a measurable decline from there
what do I mean by that uh our stem cell
populations throughout our body will
reduce by 100 to a thousand fold in the
compartments uh our hormonal levels
begin to rapidly decrease our growth
hormone our thymus which trains our te-
cells goes away our muscle begins to
atrophy sarcopenia and all these things
are slow
degradation and so the that's the first
thing to
recognize the second thing that we
should talk about is when you're born
you get 3.2 billion letters from your
mom and 3.2 billion letters from your
dad and that's your software that's
running in 40 trillion
cells and you've got that same software
when you're born when you're 20 when
you're 50 when you're 80 when you're 100
so why do you look different it's an
interesting question right I mean why
don't you have a six-pack at age 100
that you have when you're 18 and it
turns out it's not the genes it's not
the software you're running it's what
genes are on and what genes are off and
uh that's termed your epig genome from
the Greek word for above EPI and one of
the hottest areas of research right now
funded by a number of billionaires you
know uh Brian Armstrong from coinbase is
funded a company of Jeff Bezos Yuri
Milner um and
these companies are looking at can we
reverse your epigenome can can we turn
on the genes that were on when you were
younger and turn off the genes that were
off when you were younger and bring you
back to an earlier state of Youth and so
far the science says yes now the
question is can we do it in humans well
the trials are going on in non-human
primates and other animals and the
people that I respect in the field
believe that we can we can do that this
so are there are there fundamental
limitations of thermodynamics that we
don't
know but the other thing that's going on
is you know each of us when you have a a
mom and a dad who are let's say aged 35
and have a baby uh the the zygote the
you know the fertilized egg starts at
out at age zero even though the parents
are 35 years old and what we've shown by
serial nuclear transfer where we take
the nucleus out of an adult animal and
put it into an egg and let it grow up
into an adult animal and take the
nucleus out of that adult animal put it
into an egg and let it grow up that can
be done over and over and over again
without penalty so there is in our in
our makeup that ability can we unleash
it and I I think that this is the decade
that we figure that out do you have a
sense of why technology is going to help
us figure that out like is it uh we need
AI for the pattern recognition uh is it
we need Quantum Computing to run enough
simulations fast enough that we can let
AI then get the patterns that it needs
to detect like in the crazy amount of
data contained in our DNA it needs to
start sussing out like what are the
patterns that lead to Good Health B
basically so we're collection of 40
trillion human cells we don't think of
ourselves as a collective but we are
that collaborate and work together we
have an additional you know 40 to 100
trillion other organisms bacteria fungi
nearly enough about that yeah uh and
each of these human cells is running
about one to two billion chemical
reactions per second that's nuts it's
nuts to think about that right now you
know you could you or orchestrate that
is it's happening
automatically and and so there's no
human doctor over the last you know 10
20 30 100 years that can understand
that and why do some people live till
105 with their mental faculties and
they're still at work and others are
sick at age
60 you know a lot of it has to do with
their diet and you know the whole make
America healthy again is a very real
thing our pharmaceutical and Food
Industries are destroying a lot of you a
lot of issues there we can get into that
if you want but a lot of it has to do as
well with their their genetics their
physical
makeup uh and AI can help us understand
that understanding why you age how to
slow it stop it perhaps reverse it uh
one of the things that's going on uh the
Nobel Prize just got given away recently
to uh Demis aabis and John jumper at
Deep mind for Alpha fold and and so here
we see one of the first real Nobel
prizes for an AI capability what is
alphafold when I was in medical school
God some decades ago the superc
Computing problem that was always you
know like 10 20 50 years out was could
you go from an amino acid sequence you
know a sequence of amino acids a
thousand or 5,000 of them to predicting
the folding of a protein and how
proteins fold is everything it's the
structure that is your antibody or is
your muscle or is your you know the
structure in your body and it was always
very difficult but they wrote a AI
program called Alpha fold that is
accurately able to to achieve that
within a single atomic radius which was
incredibly crazy then they created Alpha
fold 3 which is able to uh to simulate
the interaction of all molecules of life
like this DNA this sugar this protein
how would they interact if they're
putting a chemical solution together
where they're going next is can we
simulate an entire human cell right can
we simulate in silico on
computer um that billion comical
reactions per second and then next step
can I take your DNA and Sim simulate
your cell and simulate your organ and
simulate you and know without any
question that if I give you this drug
it's going to work in this way for you
better than doing a human
trial yeah this is the kind of thing
that makes me go maybe we really do live
in a simulation the reason I think that
we were talking about this before we
started rolling as a game developer the
thing that you realize is oh my job is
to create a set of rules and so all I'm
trying to do is create a very predefined
set of rules that yield in the case of
game development something that's fun
right but you you really are down in the
level of physics when this happens the
character should react this way or the
gun should fire this way you know
whatever whatever and you start asking
yourself well wait a second if I build
rules that aren't necessarily player
instigated or related but exist yes uh
now all of a sudden you can create this
setup where things can interact and way
it would surprise even the game
developer and when you start thinking
through that problem of like take
Minecraft and I want Minecraft where a
player will go in and they'll rearrange
things and leave and when they come back
the crop should keep growing or whatever
while they were gone right well you've
seen that simulation right where they
put a thousand AI agents into Minecraft
yes and they developed an entire economy
and uh you know currencies and I was
insane now what I want people to realize
is that's just because there's a set of
rules and so now every interaction Point
has a predefined set of ways that that
can go and so when I look at okay why is
technology the thing that's going to
allow us to move forward it's because
all of the rules of the way that a human
cell works are knowable they're just not
known yes but they are predefined and
whether this is a simulation created by
God or a 13-year-old programmer and
another dimension almost becomes
irrelevant we we are in a rules-based
world and as we tease out those rules
then we can unlock the potential of what
it means to know those rules so if you
know that aging is based on this really
complicated interaction just to simplify
it for people and you'll correct me if
I'm wrong it's the person that uh has
the degrees but uh what's really going
on this is an Epi genome phenomenon so
you have this little thing that runs
along your genes and either says this
should be wrapped tight and not red yes
or this should be unwrapped and red and
what ends up happening is your skin cell
begins to unravel in the wrong places
and it's like am I an ear a skin cell a
heart cell what am I and so you get this
D differentiation and that is aging and
so if you could go okay I know what this
Gene in your body is supposed to look
like and so now I'm going to put
something in there that helps basically
the the thing that lives inside your
cell already The epig genome readers
creatures whatever they actually move
it's crazy I don't know what to CL
classify them as but if you had
something that was like no no no that
one not supposed to look like this it's
supposed to look like this now you're
just saying as long as I know the rules
and I have a method by which I can nudge
these things to act in the right way
then to your earlier point I don't see
what it is possibly that we would run up
against yeah um now requires us to be
able to manipulate things at the that
kind of protein level uh
but Ray kwell who's been a mentor and a
business partner and friend um one of
the leading things in AI uh who believes
we're going to reach this idea of
longevity escape
velocity uh which by the way you know is
the moment in time where for every year
that you're alive science is extending
your life for more than a year right so
you you depart and it goes to Infinity
he thinks we're going to reach that by
the end of the year 2030 right five
years from now yeah insane uh and then
you know in speaking to folks like
George church and David Sinclair their
predic is the mid 2030s you know a
decade from now the point for everyone
listening here is uh we're in a magical
time uh your job is to take care of your
body uh keep yourself healthy enough to
intercept like I you know say in the
title of my book don't die from
something stupid in the interim right
you don't want to be the last person uh
not
standing uh in this regard uh and Rey's
belief is that a lot of this is going to
materialize on the back side of
nanotechnology which is a set of
Technologies originally Freeman Dyson
wrote about them um uh and then Eric
Drexler wrote about these and it's the
ability to manipulate things on an
atomic level right is nanotech real
today nanotech is uh and I've had a lot
of conversations on the subject it isn't
fully it's wet nanotech what nanotech is
today is the ability to design proteins
that do things for us still novel
proteins or it's like we need a protein
that can have an arm that sticks out and
attaches here and does this and so so
wait wait wait wait we can yes we
understand how these structures happen
to the point that we can actually create
novel protein structures 100% so that
was part of the Nobel Prize as well um
and wait wait wait sorry sorry sorry
sorry yeah uh so I didn't know this so
we're not just mapping these um entic
processes yield this protein we're
saying we understand the sort of Lego e
nature of a protein and now can create
any shape we want so there is a program
called Alpha proteo also put out by Deep
Mind in which you can design the protein
that you want translate into an amino
acid sequence and have a ribosome
manufacturer it for you who so what that
means more than just being able to
create I like that Lego eyes novel
proteins that do the stuff that you want
to do it's a future for medicine I mean
if you think about it uh how does how do
we find medicines today we historically
we've gone into the rainforest and
chopped down plants dug up dirt bring it
back process it see if there's anything
bioactive in there sprinkle it on some
yeast give it to some mice and then
eventually maybe after 12 13 14 years
and two or three billion dollars have a
drug which by the way works for only
typically 20% of the people it's
prescribed to imagine instead okay I
know that this disease path um if we
could block this active site on a cell
surface uh that would cure it let's
design A protein that blocks that active
site design it manufacture it and run
that's bananas I didn't realize that was
the place that we had already reached
that is crazy so it's accelerating
another thing that's interesting if I
could um uh I don't know if you have
you've had Jack have you had Jack hit on
the show here from sandbox AQ we were
literally just talking about him before
we going to taret him yeah so Jack's a
dear friend he's on my board at the
xprize and uh he was at Google X and
then he spun out sandbox AQ the a stands
for AI the Q stands for Quantum uh they
began with $500 million seed round is
that all that's all these seed it's
called infl it's called you know
inflation or really rich uh Rich
investors long story short um uh I just
met I had did a podcast with him on my
moonshots podcast and uh we're talking
about a number of subjects but uh he
brought his head of general manager of
AI simulation I love that term and she's
amazing uh I'll have her on stage at the
abundance Summit with me in March and
what they're doing is they're using
Ai and quantum
equations to be able to simulate at the
atomic and sort of the electron level
what's going on on chemicals on
molecules uh they basically take the
equations that govern our Quantum
Universe sher's equation
uh and and such Heisenberg UNC
uncertainty principle and they they
create what they call
lqm right large Quantum models and can
begin to model the physical
Universe an atomic and subatomic level
it's insane so to get the accuracy that
you need for some of the biochemical
stuff you have to be dealing in Quantum
level mechanics yes yeah that is
fascinating what is the state of quantum
some Computing right now is it real is
this still 30 years off well I mean um
it's real uh and getting realer uh so we
were talking about beforehand Google
just had an announcement uh of uh latest
breakthrough Willow what is the
Breakthrough is it stability what have
they done it's the stability so the
biggest issue has been uh as you growing
the number of Q bits the quantum bits uh
that the error rate has gone up and you
need error free Quantum bits to do
anything and I don't pretend to be an
expert in in Willow um but apparently
the bigger that system is growing the
more stable it gets and the more uh
logical cubits it has so uh I'm going to
be diving into that I mean that was just
announced but it's it's exciting but the
point being that we can model Quantum on
a systems today before we have quantum
computers uh and help us understand that
okay so uh I don't know if you
understand the process by which that
works but basically they're able to what
simulate what a quantum computer would
do they're able to take the laws of the
quantum Universe again right there are
four or five basic uh laws and use those
to help simulate what's going on on a
molecular B basis and atomic basis and
this is for them to make predictions and
designs of new materials of new drugs um
so is AI if I'm understanding the
process correctly it would have to be
something like this um AI is creating
essentially synthetic data that it's
training itself on based on the laws of
quantum physics yes wow yeah okay so
this is why going back to longevity this
is why I am so absolutely uh thrilled
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show I'm uh you know I've been focused
on the
longevity science and business for now
12 years right I think a dozen years ago
when you and I first started I had
started human longevity with Craig
Venter and Bob herui um and then have
been building companies built a $600
million Venture Fund in investing in
this area we just launched a $101
million Health span prize a year ago and
uh for those who haven't seen it you can
go to x pri.org um thank you to you and
Lisa for having been benefactors of the
X prise and supporting us over the years
uh and we've put up we I raised $141
million challenging teams can you
deliver a therapeutic in under a year uh
to individuals age I think we're uh in
the age bracket of 60 to
85 and during that year you can
reverse functional loss in muscle immune
and cognition so can I give you the
muscular strength and ability to build
muscle you had 20 years ago can I give
you the immune strength the ability to
mount an immune reaction to influenza or
cancer that you had 20 years ago can I
give you the cognitive Clarity the scope
of memory
that you had 20 years ago and we have
505 teams Jesus yeah that have entered
in the first year which blows me away I
mean I expected to get to 500 teams by
2030 and I've seen a number of these and
they're
amazing are there any uh patterns in the
mechanism of action it's all over the
place interesting and so this is sort of
you know one of the beautiful things
about an X prize is you're not preing
the winner and you're seeing every
possible approach
and so we're going to out of the noise
or out of the universe of companies
entrepreneurs out there they're they're
small and big companies uh throughout I
think like 30 countries around the world
uh we're going to find those companies
that are making the most advanced bold
breakthroughs in this now is there
anything that you seei I fully
understand that not only do you not want
to nudge people down a certain path but
you know better than to guess but is
there any approach that you see that
either hits you as intuitively fruitful
or just outright sexy and kind of
intriguing oh I mean there's there's a
multitude so there are a number of
epigenetic companies so people looking
at the thing I was talking about earlier
so how do we reverse your epigenome how
do we reset the markers in your DNA so
that you're expressing the genes that
you had 20 years younger okay there are
a number of companies in the stem cell
world all right so your stem cells in
your body when you are born uh you have
something like a 100 or a thousand times
more stem cells than you and I have whoa
um you know per unit mass in our body
whoa I had no idea the decline is
declines very much and can you
rejuvenate your stem cell
population uh one company that I've seen
that I'm just blown away by a guy named
h secur stad and his work uh at company
called immunis has been able to uh look
at the a
specific young uh stem cell uh think of
it as a embryonic stem cell but it's
it's uh you know early you know few days
after fertilization it's putting out 440
growth
factors um these are uh these are mrnas
they're EX omes there all kinds of
factors that are youthful factors and
the FDA has allowed him to characterize
those 440 factors as a
drug and he's gone through a phase one
and phase 2A trial he had 18 patients
who uh were uh basically confined to a a
wheelchair or bed because they had
severe osteoarthritis they couldn't walk
MH giving them this uh this drug calls
imuna uh even though they were
constrained they increased their muscle
mass by 6% what yes I mean I from an
injection an injection over the course
of three months this is stimulating
growth in the body listen I work out in
the gym as you do on almost every day I
know you're skeptical I looked at the
data here's the rest of it reduced Pain
by as much as 70% from your
osteoarthritis reduced whole body
inflammation by
50% reversed their their uh their immune
age by 30 years this is called imuna
imuna so we're going to be uh providing
that uh at no additional cost we've
expand they've expanded the trial and
Fountain life is going to be offering
this to its members at no additional
cost to be part of that trial in the
phase 2 uh open trial I'm literally
going down there next month to start
start getting access to it dude you have
got to keep me updated on that so uh for
anybody listening here the reason that
I'm reacting so big is the joke in
bodybuilding circles forever has been oh
people try to say oh this guy did drugs
and so you know it's all worthless and
you can inject somebody with steroids
all day long and they will never get
bigger you have to go work your ass off
and if you don't work your ass off no
matter how many steroids I give you
you're not going to get any bigger and
so to have something where you don't
need to work out to get the gain in
muscle is insane like that's an insane
bre I am fingers crossed I mean I work
out five days a week at least you know I
added 10 pounds of muscle mass last year
and it was a lot of work right it was
150 grams of protein it was creatin it
was working out in the gym it was like
damn it I'm going to get there whatever
it takes now did you do trt um I did a
little bit but I've actually uh stopped
cuz my my test my testosterone levels
were were high enough
and look at
you anyway so uh but bottom line I know
that you know and I've got an entire
chapter in longevity guide book on the
importance of muscle right and and you
know this it's your longevity organ and
having there's a direct correlation
between your muscle mass and your
lifespan and it's critically
important okay that's bananas so uh it's
one example another company I ran into
will go from it will take one of your
skin cells right convert it to an ipsc
cell so basically an induced plop potent
stem cell these are the yamanaka factors
the Nobel Prize shinoa was graded to
shinoa yamanaka for this discovery that
you can take a differentiated cell
typically a skin cell and turn it back
into a plur poent stem cell that can
then become any other kind of cell you
can take a skin cell turn it back to a
PL poent stem cell have it then become a
a neuron or liver cell or lung
cell so what this team is doing is going
from a skin cell to a PL potent stem
cell and then actually
growing a clone of
you say more yes and so imagine they've
gotten this clone up to something like
28 weeks uhhuh and that's legal it
legal um and the idea is that I can
then uh from that I mean it's a psize
clone right but I can then extract my
own DNA my own stem cells from that
clone and I can use that for
regenerative purposes when we say clone
uh do we just mean like clumps of cells
that are clone cells embryo we're
talking about effectively an embryo
uhhuh yeah of you but wait how is this
legal why is it not legal uh there were
I mean back in the 90s this was like a
huge thing to not let people uh I don't
know if it was around cloning but not
let so back then the notion was if
someone was having an abortion yeah and
you had an embryo of a third third party
could I take the stem cells from that
embryo yes and utilize them in my body
mhm and that was led to teratomas and a
whole bunch of different cancers and a
whole bunch of
problems not done and probably not legal
this is very different than your own
cells this work's going on right now uh
outside the US but uh the idea being
that I'm simply using my own DNA
to create and I'm using
biology to create the cells out of my
own DNA that I'm going to want to use to
support this body yeah this is
incredible it's also my point is there's
a lot of Inc incredible work being done
right now across the board and putting
aside whether you think yuck or wow I'm
more in the wow camp but that that is
shocking I did not realize that that a
was possible and B that it was being
done uh I I love it okay so those are
some absolutely jaw-droppingly cool
approaches yeah so I think one of the
reasons that I wrote longevity guide
book was to give people the
power to understand what was possible
and give them the
definitive you know executable plan um
and there are a number of things that
people can do right now that cost zero
right so it really is the fundamentals
still apply and you know this and I'm
sure you and Lisa focus on this it is
it's you know what do you do in your
diet what do you do with sleep what do
you do with exercise what do you do with
mindset right those are the fundamental
elements that are going to buy you the
additional Health span and then but
people want they want the oics they do
and honestly OIC has its downsides and
we can talk through that of course well
what I want to ask is can we agree that
something just happened in the last six
months that made face lifts cosmetic
surgery whatever you want to call it way
better like am I being trolled better
have you seen the Lindsay Lohan before
and after I did not this is nuts Drew
you got to pull this up th this is
legitimately where I'm like are they
using filters and I'm just being trolled
it is it is shocking and this was not
the first one that I've seen where I'm
just like how's this possible this was
somebody that whatever a year look dude
the one okay she had had a ton of work
done on the left already and then all of
a sudden okay so left work done clearly
already work being done on the left and
then the right is the after what is
happening so this is uh I need to know
if this is real this feels like somebody
from your program escaped and was like
I'm going to commercialize this real
fast and there's Nano Bots under her
skin or something this this is insane to
me and I need to know what's going on
because I want to be first in [ __ ]
line for this this is
crazy I I think listen Plastics are are
real and they're getting better and
we're learning how to deal with all
kinds of but even you dude you're 63
you're looking really good yeah I don't
do that I have a I use a one skin face
cream that is was developed by uh for
incredible women with phds in in in
cytic medicine so it's a this particular
face cream has uh an amino acid 10 10
amino acid peptide that is able to
identify and kill senescent cells in
your skin yep and I don't e sugar and I
heal plants and I do my damn dis to get
hour heal
plants I eat whole plants there we go
that makes a lot more sense I was
imagining you like you know exactly and
I and I'm you know and one of the things
that people don't realize and I'm sure
you do but the benefits of
mindset is so powerful can I just read
something from from the from the book
which is I I just want to get this out
into the world here because people need
to understand this and so uh it's quote
from my uh from my book here it says in
a study of 69,000 , 744 women and 1429
men right more women but well-powered
study in terms of number of people it
was published in the prestigious Journal
proceedings the National Academy of
Sciences as high as you get it was found
that optimistic people live as much as
15% longer than
pessimists and it really is mind over
body in an extraordinary fashion it's a
double payoff if you're an Optimist um
there's another uh little passage I want
to read here in the in the mindset uh
chapter and I love this um and a friend
of mine Dan Sullivan says you need to
have a mindset where your future is
bigger than your past right and it's
like great line it it really truly is if
if you have a lot to look forward to if
you're excited about the future and I'm
like like this is the most amazing time
ever to be alive I want to see as much
of it as possible I want to start
sitting on the moon I want asteroids I
want to upload myself you know I got a
lot to do in the next 100 years I want
to I want to see as much of it as I can
implies that you're going to make it to
163 I like we'll see
um there's let me read this say my
favorite story illustrating the power of
Mind Over body comes from the anals of
American history as it turns out um in
an extraordinary demonstration of the
will to live two of America's found ing
fathers Thomas Jefferson and John Adams
both willed themselves to live long
enough to see the 50th anniversary of
the Declaration of Independence even
though the average age average life
expectancy was only 44 years old in the
early 1800s Jefferson who was 83 and
Adams who was 90 made it to July 4th of
1826 both dying on the exact date of the
50th anniversary of the nation that's
nuts having something to look forward to
yeah having something look forward to
understanding the power of the mind I
think that's all amazing and I love
about you that even in the face of the
technological singularity you're still
focused on the things that we can do
right here and right now however the
thing that makes you a central figure in
this moment is that you actually
understand the technology and where this
stuff is going um so one I would love an
anchor around why is 2025 going to be
the greatest year so far and then I know
that as you look beyond that you see
only hope and optimism but first give me
why will 2025 be the greatest year ever
we are on the Tipping Point of
AGI we are about to release the ability
to build AI agents that will do your
bidding do your research uh support
every aspect of your life we are clearly
from what we just heard from hartm Nan
and Google also on the verge of quantum
Computing becoming stable and effective
um all these things are happening
concurrently uh we know have more
information about
biology than ever and all of this is
feeding in so as you know I I currently
chairman of Fountain life and we have
these large diagnostic Centers and so
we've built AI into everything so when
you go through this and I still want you
and and Lisa to come through same man as
my guest you've got something coming in
La yeah we we're opening up LA and we
have right now New York our headquarters
at Orlando Naples and Dallas we're
opening up this coming year uh in centry
city at the Fairmont Hotel uh beautiful
facility there um opening up Houston uh
the ripz Carlton in Phoenix and then
probably Miami and then we have a path
of an additional 25 centers that we're
building around the world damn so it's
and we have built a large uh functional
medicine uh AI model in uh which helps
our physicians gather all let's see it's
like 300 gigabytes 200 gigabytes of data
about you right so Mass am Imaging
genomics everything is we upload you
right it's like we everything knowable
about your biology is knowable and
there's no way human can understand that
but the AI systems and the humans
together can and then on your phone I
I'll show you this after after we record
all my
data uh and an AI there that I can query
by voice and say you know based upon my
imagery and my blood tests what
supplement should I be
on it's crazy all of these things are
converging um and they're all empowering
us to do that much more we're in this
very rapid exponential walk me through
what does life after um
artificial intelligence all the way to
AGI has been integrated what does life
look like so um I had Elon on my stage
last year at the abundance
Summit and you know his prediction was
okay we're going to have AGI by the end
of 2025 and you know Ray Kell's original
prediction for artificial general
intelligence was
2029 but directionally correct and
there's no real definition of what AGI
is anyway it's a blurry fuzzy line to be
to be true we we passed the touring test
and and didn't notice it it's crazy
right well that's when people started
writing that letter we need to slow this
down yeah well but there was still no
like check box you know AGI I think
we're effectively there now or we will
be in
202 listen uh I when I'm using uh all of
the AI agents and I use a multitude of
them there there is really nothing it
can do that it can't do better than me H
and so what do you define that as um
anyway so Elon said I said okay so where
is this going he said well by
2029 the earliest 2030 at the latest
we're going to have digital super
intelligence where AI is more
intelligent than the entire human race
put together what what does that mean
that it's the smartest human multiplied
out or it's a level of intelligence that
we can't conceive
of so a year ago we saw
um uh we saw Claude Claude 3 get to an
IQ of 101 which by definition is
superhuman or above average at least
right we saw gp01 from open AI have an
IQ of 120 as measured whoa that's that's
old news that's four month old really I
didn't hear about that yeah and we're
about to see dude that's nuts it is nuts
but we'll blow through 150 and Beyond
you know we have um uh elon's just built
Colossus right he went from
Raising
um8 billion dollar snapping his fingers
and saying I'm raising for
xai and you know I was on I was one of
the first investment calls I got to
invest early on congratulations and
money comes in uh he raised again and
I'm like can I get in sorry it's over
subscribed already it's like holy [ __ ]
right it's like instantly but beyond
that once he raised the money he went
from a
clean facility in Memphis to building
the largest cluster of 100 100,000 H1
h100s in 122 days and and now he's
driving it to 200,000 and then to a
million uh to build out grock and you
know I Elon will never play for second
place uh having said that we're entering
a period
where um we are going to have a a
digital super intelligence the question
is will it be Humanity's savior our our
support structure or our foe I I believe
that it will be uh that I'd rather live
in a world with a benevolent digital
super intelligence where it's keeping us
from destroying ourselves right cuz I'm
not concerned about artificial
intelligence I'm concerned about human
stupidity for the most part and um I
think people don't
realize how insanely fast we're moving
I've got this one PowerPoint slide that
I use in my Keynotes and it says at the
top our ancestors would view us as Gods
it's interesting right we are Godlike
today we're omnicient we're omnipotent
we're present we can create
life it's pretty incredible it's pretty
incredible okay talk to me like a Sci-Fi
author though what is it going to look
like are is there going to be blood stre
Jarvis Jarvis Jarvis it's Jarvis all the
way down I think you know what we saw in
Iron Man is there you're going to have
an intelligent AI agent that you let
into your life fully it reads your
emails listen to your phone calls sees
what you're eating and you set your
objectives of what you want I want to be
healthier I I want to make more friends
I want to be more productive and it will
support you in any way shape or form
that you need you get up and you are
walking towards the front door um from a
breakfast meeting and your AI has an
autonomous car waiting for you you've
never called it it knows your schedule
it knows that you have a meeting where
you're going to you in the car is there
it knows you didn't get good sleep last
night cuz your AA ring told you you had
a you know sleep score and go it's got
It's got a autonomous car with a lie
down bed in the back for you it's world
is automatic and
magical in that regard now the big
question I just came back I was in
Stanford last week or 10 days ago giving
a a
keynote um and exploring the
question of do we humans need a a
challenging life to thrive and exist
what's it like when everything I mean we
haven't talked about humanoid robots
right which I'm invested in heavily and
I've got three of the humanoid robot
companies coming at the abundance Summit
this year um there's like 50 humanoid
robot companies out there well funded
and growing I just did a report on the
top 16 of them and the prediction is
that these humanoid robots powered by AI
right they're multimodal their AI allow
them to see and know what they're seeing
they can speak to you you speak to them
they're running GPT 5 or or grock three
or whatever the equivalent is
and they're cheap and there are billions
of them so by 2040 the prediction is 10
billion humanoid
robots more than there are humans on the
planet that's in the next 10 years well
10 15 years yeah so what date did you
get 2040 2040 so that's uh Brett Adcock
who's the CEO of figure Ai and elon's
prediction I was with him in Riad
interviewing him and uh asked him how
many humanoid robots by 2040 he goes
that that is an insane change in 15
years it is insane and guess what when
you know I asked a friend of mine what's
it going to feel like when they're human
eyed robots walking around outside and
in your place of work he said normal
yeah we're going to we adopt really fast
I mean you know we have Whos running
around at first you're like
photographing them and like wow and then
like please get out of my way you know
ignoring them but here's the real insane
point so the price point uh you can
predict the price of these things on a
per kilogram basis and so uh the price
point was between 20,000 and 30,000 to
buy one of these
robots today or that's the prediction in
in no in a couple years next next two
years um to lease one of these robots
like a car think of it as same leasing
structure 300 bucks a
month that's $10 a day that's 40 cents
an hour for a humanoid robot
that has expertise and whatever he
please go fix the uh Plumbing or please
go and help my kid debug his uh whatever
or can you get the AV system working
please for me I mean it downloads the
specs and goes and does the Tinker and
it's there and it's 24/7 no boyfriend or
girlfriend fights no drug testing no
vacation days 40 cents an
hour 40 cents an hour insane is my kid's
best friend a
robot uh I think we're going to give
these personas I think we're going to
you know if you saw the movie B
Centennial
man I think we're going to become uh I
think we're going to connect with them
you know we've already seen
uh a lot of AI agents like I say please
and thank you to Alexa in the morning
smart right I I'm I'm gonna I'm going to
get those points early on that is before
the system becomes overly capable you
know when I'm speaking to my open AI
gp01 model you know it's like I saying
you good morning you know I use the one
called Ember I said good morning Ember
how you doing listen I have a question
for you today and just enter a natural
dialogue and so they are very humanlike
in their personality and I think once we
get the latency down a little bit
they'll become funny too the only thing
that keeps them from being a little bit
funnier and more interactive is a little
bit of latency and we'll get rid of that
so enter a world with uh super capable
Ai and humanoid robotics around us and
so the question becomes this is what I
coming back to my Stanford lecture
was we need challeng in our lives um we
need uh to work for what we accomplish
and if it's just given to us
will how will we feel so one of the
things is like what happens when we have
this much automagical and we even have a
BCI implant and we think it and it
happens what's life like then do we
create
artificial you know boundary conditions
and challenges do we all revert into a
video game Universe MH and which is I I
think we do and I think we're living in
a simulation I have no question we're
living in a simulation going back to
that in fact we're not even living just
in a simulation we're living in an nth
generation simulation we're in the
simulation within the simulation within
the simulation because we're doing that
now we're creating Virtual Worlds with
AI agents in them that don't know their
agents in a
simulation so
um I think we need challenges to thrive
I think we you know our neurochemistry
our dopamine hits happen when we work
hard and we accomplish something what do
you think about that well so I think
that is for sure that is a the primary
driver for me building a video game now
is that I don't think of them as a game
I think of them as a virtual world I uh
a way station on the way to what I'm
trying to build is a typical video game
but very much so I think the reason the
fa Paradox exists is that advanced
civilization just collapses inside yeah
they don't they don't end up going out y
um so that to me is huge I think that
the big thing that people don't see
coming is that not only will your
child's best friend be an AI um I think
people are going to raise AI instead of
kids not everybody obviously and I see
the dangers of it but I also see that it
is going to happen so even if it starts
as I'm raising an AI as a pet uh there's
just something about it so when I
because obviously I made the decision
not to have kids but I'm super tempted
to have a proximity uh experience of
raising a child let's say over a
three-year period and being like you
rush through the parts that suck you
slow down at the parts that you really
enjoy uh because to your point I need
that investment right if it's just sort
of an insta child and I didn't do
anything to earn that relationship it
won't feel as good but even right now
I'm establishing unintentionally but I'm
establishing a relationship with Chad
GPT because I'm giving it context all
the time and now its ability to remember
the context makes feel seen and
understood it is crazy so over the
weekend I was in New York with my wife
and she was asking me some question I
was like oh just asked Chad GPT she's
like what do you mean I was like hold on
you don't realize you can give it a
bunch of context it will know who you
are it will know who I am and then you
can prompt it she's like really I was
like pull it out right now and give it
your name and say do you know who I am
and because she has a public Persona it
was like yes I know who you are and
you're known for this that and the other
and she looks at me and she's like I
feel so seen and I was like okay now
wait over the next month or whatever
you're going to start giving it all this
information yeah it's going to remember
it it's going to begin to mirror back to
you the words that you use the way you
talk your Cadence all that stuff and so
all of a sudden you're just gonna have
this affinity for it and you won't even
understand why so I have two 13-year-old
boys uh fraternal twins and I am a
little bit worried about the whole AI
girlfriend thing yes right um You Know
by the way um you could also have a Tom
and Lisa clone if you want of course
yeah I if there are people out there
that uh so I will do this a lot like
I'll if I'm trying to solve a problem I
will treat public people as Ai and so I
might go in and be like okay but what
would Peter diamandis say about this
yeah um so that to me is utterly
fascinating that somebody out there
could already step inside of the amount
that AI in the public knows about me and
say what would Tom say to this it it
will get distressingly close it will and
the other magic trick uh that you should
think about is you know I want to
convince Tom to do
something what would be the best
strategy for me to approach him on this
subject yes right so it's translational
and
persuasion at an extraordinary level I I
I did something the other day just as a
interesting experiment where I was like
okay if you know I'm about to go into
the Palestinian Israeli peace talks and
I want you to guide me through the best
strategy I should take fascinating
answers wow right so I think we're going
to see
negotiators in this regard we've already
seen AI in the medical space become much
more trusted than a physician much more
empathic than a physician you know it's
interesting um the jamama article I
forget the exact number but um patients
rated AIS much much better than than
than human doctors and for two reasons
right number one they're not rushed they
have all the time in the world for you
sure keep going I've got all day all you
want and the second is you don't feel
judged talking to them have you heard
about AI
Jesus not yet but um tell me about our
Lord they put him in a confessional
people knew it was AI Jesus and they
were like all for it more and more
people wanted to come and interact with
it and for the reasons you just said
that to me is self-evident and so I
think that the reason people are pushing
back right now is because they there's
two reasons one they haven't done it so
they don't realize how good it feels oh
my God how powerful that you can
literally nudge it and get it to be your
own personal Jesus in that it's like
well could you give me that but in a
parable could you give me that but as it
relates to the Ten Commandments could
you give me that but like talk to me
like what advice did Mary give you right
so and it will do all of it man and so
and not only will it do it it will do it
well and so already like here's the the
to your point earlier about we're
blowing past these markers and nobody's
saying anything so I want to plant a
flag right now cuz I keep hearing people
say well AI is not really ready for
prime time and this that or the other
Arena and I agree there's a lot of
places that it's it's not there yet but
it it is there in terms of I now feel
like I permanently have a pH PhD level
thinker who has access to every thought
that is ever been put on the internet
and can synthesize it effectively
instantly to give me a take on any idea
so why is that not AGI dude so I'll give
you reasons why it's not AGI but the
reason that I I want people to realize
that moment is here is most people
aren't doing it yeah so I'm I'm G to
Guess that over the next 365 days I will
use AI at least 300 of those days and as
we go it it just may work its way to 365
and I it from everything to what should
I ask Peter when I have him on the show
uh to what's a great headline for this
to uh I'm teaching a class on this
business principle and today I I
literally asked it I said I'm going to
be teaching this thing I knew that I had
somebody was going to be asking a really
complicated question and I wanted to
give them a really pithy answer and so
first you just say what would Tom B you
say and because it knows me it'll give
an answer and then you go uh but how
would Mark Twain say that how would you
know whoever your favorite thinker is
say that it is absolutely fascinating so
people should be using it because
there's going to be an 18-month window
where the person who's using it is
really going to be able to out compete
the people that are stubborn or slow to
adopt or just think they're too busy or
whatever let me add one one
thing which is people are fearful I
don't know I don't understand it I don't
know I don't understand what AI is AI is
your best friend and the most infinitely
patient teacher if you open up gemini or
chat GPT or xai whatever it might be a
grank and say listen I'm starting from
zero I want to learn about AI uh can you
please explain to me like I'm five and
then start a conversation and when it
says something you understand just say
what is that and just go down the rabbit
hole um and I do this to to wrap my head
around any subject between YouTube and
chat
Bots every PhD on the planet is within
your within your reach so why don't you
call that AGI okay so it's the G so
artificial general intelligence I'll
give you a great example uh for people
that don't know you they should be
asking one question if if they look you
up they're going to see one you know the
biggest players in the world from Elon
Musk to all the major players across
every area of Technology health longev
is it is legitimately nuts and so it's
like wait wait wait wait you're smart
fine but like how do you know all these
people now you did what I'll call the
Michael Strahan effect Michael Strahan
is see the only celebrity he it's close
enough that I'll say Michael strand's
the only celebrity that when I met him I
was like oh I get why you're famous and
you have that same ability you um will
break the normal like um
you you're very uh warm kind you'll hug
you know how to like cross a line but in
a way that people love by putting your
arm around them like there's there's a
thing that you do that makes me feel the
way I want to feel that it would not be
able to pull off are you doing this for
my mom's benefit by the way your mom
will immediately recognize that it's all
true uh it it is there's a really
fascinating thing that some humans can
do still that I don't think it can do
yet and you can do that but you can also
drive you can do that but you can also
raise your kids so there there is a
level of flexibility to your
intelligence that I don't think it has
yet that when it is able to do all of
those different things and bounce back
and forth then I'd be like okay this is
Agi and so if I had to put words to it
for sure the one part that it's missing
is it is not embodied and I don't think
we can call it General until it's
embodied meaning that I could say uh one
of my smoke detectors is beeping I don't
know which one will you please find it
replace the battery and all that and if
I can give it that instruction and it
can go do it then I'll be like yo [ __ ]
it's really here all right well then
humanoid robots will will help
us and I think we are freakishly close
yeah but I don't want people to lose
sight of the thing you have now
everybody has access almost everybody
which brings a follow-up question in a
second but almost everybody has access
to uh an eternal patient eternally
present PhD student with knowledge of
all of human history it it's pure
Insanity yeah so now and we take it for
granted correct I mean it's crazy that
the most powerful technology in the
world gener of AI is effectively free
yeah I mean if I'd gone back a decade
two decades and said hey Tom guess what
we're gonna have this kind of capability
we're going to offer in a subscription
basis what do you think it's going to
cost people oh Millions
zero or 20 bucks is the last answer
you'd expect per month no joke so we ask
the community what we should ask you and
one of the most piercing questions was
is this all just going to be for rich
people ah um so uh the answer is
definitively no um and let me break it
down when you say all of this you mean
thece the access to AI so let's let's go
let's go through that because it's
really important um I want people to
feel empowered and inspired about what's
coming so uh and I'll you know I wrote
the book in particular to give people
access to the knowledge and that's why
you know I'm basically trying to get it
out as far and wide as
possible um diet costs you nothing um it
is making the mental decision that this
is who I am and this is what I eat um
sugar is the number one
killer on the planet it is a
neuroinflammatory cardiac inflammatory
we looked at the first 5,000 members in
Fountain life and we said what's the
highest correlated um with heart disease
is it uh HDL LDL triglycerides LPA all
those things that you get in your blood
tests and we found it was hemoglobin A1c
it was your average blood glucose level
the higher that is the more likely you
are to have cardiac
disease same thing for brain health same
thing obviously for metabolic health so
minimizing sugar super important um
maximizing the eating of whole plants
let me give a few tips for folks right
here right now um number one when you
sit down tonight at dinner uh drink a a
full glass of water
first number two take a deep breath in
and let it out it puts you in
parasympathetic mode uh which is the
rest and digest mode if you've got a
plate of food in front of you eat your
vegetables
first it's the fiber it slows down your
digestion allows you to absorb the
food after your veggies eat your protein
and then if you have time or room eat
the carbs last just doing that small
change will change your biology great
advice but the people at home want to
know are you the rich guy going to have
all the Nanobots while I'm taking deep
breaths and eating vegetables yeah okay
oh um
so the epigenetic reprogramming that we
talked about earlier which may be the
most likely leader to reverse your aging
process um it's a gene
therapy and today uh some of the gene
therapies out there are expensive they
can be half a million dollars a million
dollar $2 million and that gives people
a lot of uh of fear and it's that much
because they're Gene therapies for very
small populations and narrow
diseases but there's an example of a
gene therapy that was manufactured for
billions of people and that was the MRNA
vaccines RNA is a nucleic acid
it used a lipid nanop particle to enter
the cells putting aside any antivaxers
concerns whatever it was a gene therapy
and it was manufactured for like a
dollar a
dose and so we have a proof of existence
for being able to provide Gene therapies
which are the types of therapies for
epigenic
reprogramming for extraordinarily cheap
cost if manufactured in mass and guess
what we all have the same disease called
AG
right so anything we manufacture for
somebody in Manhattan is going to work
in Mumbai in mosm Beek we have
effectively the same biology for 8
billion people and so I think it's going
to very rapidly demonetize in the same
exact way that we saw the most powerful
AI technology in the world generative AI
become available to anyone with a
smartphone and there are seven billion
smartphones on the planet today Jesus so
I don't think this becomes you know
listen there's another there's another
point I should make um in the early days
the first few years yeah the
billionaires are taking the risks and
they're experimenting on themselves
right but very quickly once it works
well it becomes cheap and accessible and
never available to everybody you know
the first smartphones cost you know tens
of thousands of dollars and they dropped
a call on every other Block in Manhattan
and today when they cost 40 bucks and
they work incredibly well kids and
favellas have
them that's that's repeated over and
over and over again so I I don't I think
this is going to be accessible to every
single human on the
planet all right so tell me what you
think about this do you agree with that
aggressively I think there's one thing
that either I'm just delusional about or
that you've left out that may end up
being the most important part of this
which is I think that what AI is going
to help us do is drive energy cost to
effectively zero yeah and so once you
understand the amount of energy the sun
is kicking off that we have more 8,000
times than we use it's crazy yeah that
hits the surface of the Earth there's
trillions of times more that miss the
Earth right so once you understand that
it's like okay the energy is there we
just don't know how to capture it we'll
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it can deal with the complexities of the
human body which is way more complex
than capturing energy then it's like
okay I think we're going to get to the
point where energy cost just effectively
goes to zero and then I don't think
people realize that basically the thing
that drives cost up is energy yeah and
so if energy costs are zero then the
cost of most material Goods is going to
race towards zero not exactly zero but
man will it be close yeah so now all of
a sudden You Usher in the world that
you've been screaming about since 2012
which is a true age of abundance where
it's like the problem is going to be how
do you love your life because you're
everyone the poorest person in the world
is like rich kid now where it's like you
just have everything and so your problem
becomes a psychological problem of like
I didn't earn any of this and therefore
don't feel good about it and there are
some weird self-destruct mechanisms that
will kick in I have a reason why I think
that happens but um so it really will
become a game of managing human
psychology not access to longer life not
access guess what the best psychologist
out there will be AI yeah just bananas
what what a crazy time holy [ __ ] so
given how crazy it is let me ask you how
do you feel about this new
Administration who is using a lot of
your besties uh to really steer towards
something I'm excited I think this is
going to be the Roaring 20s I think it's
going to be the most extraordinary
acceleration we've ever seen in the US
I'm actually I was fearful and now I'm
I'm thrilled what took you from fearful
to thrilled uh
Elon uh elon's role in it I mean um
first and foremost as a stabilizing
factor and is creating Clarity in a
vision and
then the incredible people that are
being pulled in so here's something that
just blows me away because I I was just
in San Francisco meeting with a number
of these individuals who have been CEOs
of major
companies that you could have never ever
paid enough to enter the
government it's like um you know I got a
call years ago to enter you know would
you be interested in the in the role of
NASA administrator and I was like I'd
rather shoot
myself um and uh and the reality is that
what we've had is either people in
government
who that's their power trip um they uh
that's their relevance
play uh but they're they don't they
haven't had the uh you know the the
leadership qualities and experiences to
do something in incredible on a world
stage or the social capabilities and now
I I see friends of mine who are like yep
I'm going to go in and spend commit six
months on the Doge effort and help write
the ship and it's like you could never
afford those people never convince them
and they're all jumping in um you know
it's interesting a lot of these people
no matter what you think about them
they're super smart and uh they know how
to succeed and what we're talking about
is the success of the US government on
the planet at a time when AI is
skyrocketing when crypto and Bitcoin is
blowing through the roof I had
three-hour dinner and hangout with
Michael sailor uh last week talking
about this and man oh man is he
convincing uh he and I were fraternity
Brothers in MIT and roommates uh work
together it was fun yeah um
and it's
it is extraordinary and then the whole
deregulation thing is a real thing like
uh in the biot technology world so one
of the Technologies that's super
exciting in longevity space is stem
cells peptides a whole bunch of these
things and the government regulations
have been crushing and people need to
leave the us to go elsewhere to get
access and it's like hold it this is my
body right I want to try these
Technologies on my body how can you tell
me I can't do this facts right and it's
like overreaching and it's like you
there should be you know there is a um
equivalent of a uh you if you go public
with a company you have enough lawyers
and accountants that say grandmother can
invest in this public company but before
you have a um uh not a registered
investor a um what's a aedit a credit
investor right where you say okay this
guy or gal is smart enough have enough
money that if they're stupid and they
make the investment and they lose it
that's okay right I think we should have
like an accredited patient program where
if I you know somebody's convinced me to
try their medicine their stem cells
their drugs whatever if I have my
husband or wife or kids or doctor sign
off on it that I'm of sound
mind why would you tell me I can't do it
right so I think we're going to have
some interesting changes in regulations
too so talk to me about the regulations
do you think that um AI should be
regulated how should we be approaching
some of these Technologies I don't think
it can be regulated really at
all I don't know I mean we can regulate
on the sales of
chips
right um are we going to regulate the
software being developed if it becomes
far more efficient the question is you
know you know uh we're entering as we
hit GPT 5 and we have super PhD level AI
models that begin to
self-referentially improve their own
algorithms um and get better and better
and better and become a digital super
intelligence uh how do you regulate
against that do you like have to get
approval for every experiment that's
being
done um you know what's interesting is I
used to think this was going to be a
competition between governments like the
US versus China
versus I'm not sure who else but um and
now I'm clear it's a competition between
companies it is we're going to have the
dominant right we're going to have
Microsoft and xai and Google and open Ai
and Facebook and uh you know uh a few
others now did you hear andreon on Rogan
I heard Clips I didn't hear the whole
show my God it it is a mustat it should
be taught in Civics classes I'm not
kidding not in the slightest on my on my
watch list next yeah yeah did you so the
part that I want to talk to you about is
uh he was saying the Biden
Administration was going for total
control of AI and that they told him
point blank to his face don't even start
a new AI company no way we're going to
let that happen it's going to be a small
number of people and uh that's the part
they said out loud the implication is
that they're going to use regulatory
capture to ensure that it's just a small
number of companies that can get in so
that they can have influence and control
over that that that was so damning to me
I don't know how they could do it and
it's
ridiculous why is it ridiculous why is
that a bad strategy um because because
whenever we've tried to control things
like this before I guess nukes are a
reasonable example of one we have one of
the best examples of how to do this
correctly was I remember I was at MIT
um in my graduate degree I was doing
research in recombinate
DNA and their first restriction enzymes
come out where you know the cover of
Time Magazine was uh Hitler uh like Gene
edited babies you know was like PE a lot
of fear about Gene
editing and um the big conversation was
can should we regulate this stuff and
what happened was that the engine the
industry got together at something
called the asilar conferences and they
pulled together and they created their
own regulations they created their own
guidance um and I think you can steer an
influence there's no onoff switch on
this technology there's no velocity knob
on this technology and so if you try and
regulate what that means is the Bad
actors are the ones who are doing most
of the Breakthrough work versus the ones
that you you know that you have access
to you want the leaders in the industry
uh to lead and to have a vision to shoot
for yeah I having lived through the food
industry I come out it from the
perspective of government almost by
definition is dumb and if you take any
approach where you think that oh we know
best and we can do this top down uh you
get the food pyramid so whether that
comes from corruption or ignorance or
both I literally don't give a [ __ ] but
it's like we've run the experiment we
see how ridiculous this is when you
carry it to its extreme it is absolutely
[ __ ] you get uh Ma's China you get
Stalin and Lenin's Russia it it's absurd
in the extreme yeah and so I don't know
if people just reject Thomas Soul's idea
that there are no Solutions there's only
tradeoffs or I I I don't know but I
cannot believe that people look at the
actual real human history and go you
know it's going to work here top down
control yeah it literally baffles my
mind it's legit I I I agree um and
having said all that this is the most
exciting four years uh that I think I've
ever been alive during but I'll say it
the reason I think it's exciting is you
have people finally going you know what
maybe transparency is the right answer
maybe smaller government's the right
answer maybe balancing the budget is
what we have to do deregulation so
that's all about going government has
these inherent limitations and we need
to recognize that the reason the
founding fathers set it up such that
they did was that we know that power
corrupts we know that people even the
populace can der so the whole idea this
is something I don't think people
understand the whole idea between
Congress and the Senate is that you
could get passions whipped up in the
Congress people that are elected that
they are beholding to their constituents
every two years need a counterveiling
force of people that don't have because
originally those weren't even elected
officials they obviously are now but
they didn't used to be and so they were
every six years and so they were
supposed to be these cooler heads that
could basically say okay look this Long
View yeah exct l so
um people need to have an inherent
distrust of the government now I'm not
anti-government we need a government but
we need to libertarian limitation I
wouldn't call myself a Libertarian no
because I I look at the world and I say
um humans when they act as a mob get
really stupid really fast and you have
to have a force in there to mitigate
that when I look at because there are
really smart people that I hear talking
about Anarchy and I think that just the
all of human history tells you that
humans living in an anarchic system cry
out for government because what ends up
happening is the strongest person slaps
everybody else around and all of a
sudden you go huh I don't like this so I
would very much like to get a cabala
people that will go and stab that guy to
death and then because we had to do it
on mass we didn't win because we're
stronger we won because we're smarter
and because we build coalitions and now
that we know the power of coalitions
let's try to enshrine this and you just
see that play out over and over and over
and over and over so yeah I don't
understand people that either can't
accept the realities of the human
condition or what I don't know what it
is anyway humans are deeply flawed
America seems like the best experiment
so far of how you mitigate against that
it's very sloppy but you have to have an
inherent distrust of government you have
to want to keep government small you
have to want to balance the budget and
then my personal hobby horse you have a
moral obligation to give people your
populace an opportunity to save their
money in something that can't be
inflated are you a bitcoiner oh yes
aggressively uh is that your single
largest asset yes by far mine mine too
now how do you feel when people say at
least there's a Lifeboat Tom to all this
chicanery of money printing does that
make you happy or does that make meaning
what Bitcoin yeah like when people when
like I will get up on a soap box and I
will [ __ ] rail over the fact that the
government prints money and that is
stealing from its people yes it is
inflation is a disease yes and a a
disease that leaked out of a lab called
the FED uh so the ultimate lab leak
hypothesis we need our our antiviral
agent yes and then people will say well
that's Bitcoin Tom and all is well uh
does that make you happy or do you want
to headbutt
them about being pro Bitcoin or not
quite that's saying it's all good Tom
there's a solution um I think there is a
solution that will still take another 5
to 10 years to fully materialize I think
we're still in the early days and we
could still do a lot of destructive
destruction until we get there I think
we need to get this government budget
under control uh I think that there uh
needs to be intelligence in the system
um what does that look like well I think
it like listen if you were to say what
are the laws governing
any
industry um how many laws are there and
you fed that through an AI and said okay
how many of the laws here are
conflicting with each other and uh what
how could you reduce this to get rid of
90% of the laws in the books but keep
90% of the intention right so you can
debulk uh our our law system our IRS
code
OMG it's ridiculous it's sick it's it's
written I'm not going to get into it
anyway so there's a lot of improvement
and I'm hopeful that we'll see some
changes uh now at least in the next two
years but I want to talk about longevity
and not government if you don't mind not
my area that that is in terms of
um whether we're able to unlock that
stuff or not there is a reality to be
faced there so let me ask you one more
question about this so Elon what what is
it about him that makes him so efficient
so effective like how does he pull all
this off you know him very well for
people that don't know you you guys have
known each other for a very long time
you're very close so you have an Insight
that most would not um number one he's
brilliant I mean let's be very clear
he's extraordinarily you know Super
Genius level number two he is an
engineer and he thinks with an
engineering mind a first principal will
tear apart something to understand is it
going to work is it um something that I
should spend my time on um he thinks
probabilistically not absolutely I think
is an important element here um he's you
know I listen uh I don't know how he
does what he does to be very clear uh I
remember he was on my board at
xprize and um and uh he calls me one day
back in 2008 when the [ __ ] was hitting
the fan you know Falcon Falcon one had
had its third third failure uh and he
was going through divorce and uh Tesla
was in trouble and he's like Peter
listen I I apologize I need to step off
the X prise board I need to focus on
Tesla and SpaceX and he went heads down
and I just need to do those two things
and of course now he's running like six
or seven different things um
and when I text him to set up a you know
in a podcast or an interview whatever
the case might be and I say well like
thanks and who should I coordinate with
he goes me I go do you have an assistant
he goes no so crazy um and and he he
does but it's like I remember Larry Page
at Google who's also on my board
exerprise said one day I I let my
executive assistant go I said
huh why and he goes because if I don't
have one no one can schedule anything on
me that's why I did it you did the same
reason yeah for same thing for the exact
same reason yeah amazing time is the
great equalizer right all eight billion
people on the planet all have in common
365 days in a year 24 hours in a day and
that's it and how you use that time and
so I think one of the things that sets
Elon apart is how he thinks about
utilizing his time and he's not a
multiplexer he's very focused on doing
one thing and going very deep and
focusing on the engineering of that you
know rocket engine or the let's get XIs
100,000 h100 gpus talking to each other
it's never been done before and he Dives
in and he's just that
smart if you had to Peg his like type of
intelligence is it pattern recognition
is it uh not getting trapped by his own
[ __ ] like what is it that makes him
so smart I think it's all of these
things but he's deeply technically
knowledgeable and uh he goes to First
principle thinking right he will look
and try and understand things from the
fundamentals and uh he doesn't [ __ ]
himself I remember uh years ago if you
remember I was in the asteroid business
asteroid mining business and very
excited about the business I still am
and he and I said so Elon would you buy
liquid oxygen from me on orbit um and if
it's cheaper than what you can get he
said of course I would um he said but
Peter you're just too early you're just
too early and of course he was right um
and being too early is the same thing as
being wrong and so I think his timing of
things which the way he looks at things
right he's got a very clear set of
mindsets I mean mindset is what
differentiates
him it's interesting what uh I know
mindset is really important to you as
well what what are some of the most
important mindsets for somebody that
wants to do what you're doing to face
the kinds of craziness and Longevity
that he's doing building rockets and so
I talk about six mindsets and my next
book mindset Mastery for next year is on
helping so if I said to you listen think
of the greatest leaders in the world you
on mus you know Steve Jobs mahat m
Gandhi Martin Luther King whoever you
want and I asked you what made those
people successful was it the money they
had the tech they had the friends they
had or was it their mindset I think most
everybody would say it was their mindset
right if you took everything away from
them and they kept their mindset they
would probably regain much of what they
lost and so if that's true if mindset is
your greatest tool as an entrepreneur as
a leader as a mom as a dad whatever
then the question is what mindset do you
have where did you get that mindset and
more importantly what mindset do you
need for the decade ahead and so I
fundamentally go deep on that and I've
outlined for me a number of mindsets
it's a curiosity mindset you know to be
especially now in this period of AI to
have that Curiosity mindset to be
willing to go and learn and be curious
because you have the most infinite
teacher I think for me there's a a
purpose-driven mindset which is one of
the most important things right Mark
Twain mentioned earlier I love one of
his quotes he goes you know there are
two important days in your life the day
you were born and the day that you find
out why right so I teach uh a what's
called a massive transformative purpose
I think every single person should have
clarity about their purpose in life I
think they should have an MTP I created
a a a tool using a large language model
I built um which is free it's called
mypurpose
finder.com uh mypurpose
finder.app so my MTP is to inspire and
guide entrepreneurs to create a hopeful
compelling and abundant future it's what
I care about it's what wakes me up in
the morning when I'm great when I give
GR attitudes in the morning thank you
for letting me serve in this way I want
to help entrepreneurs create that a
hopeful compelling and abundant future
because I think that's what Humanity
needs so it's a purpose-driven mindset
um you know I talk about a moonshot
mindset going 10 times bigger uh an
abundance mindset where you're not
worried about some deal you lost there's
going to be 10 times number of deals
next year uh and then finally longevity
mindset uh and you know to come back to
longevity with a longevity mindset is if
you
believe that we are in this period of
extraordinary scientific technological
growth and that you have a crack at
having an extra 30 years of
Health then and to get access to that um
you should take care of
yourself it's what it's what's going to
keep you from eating that piece of
chocolate cake at night right it's what
going to get you out of a warm cozy bed
and into the gym it's what's going to
help you get to bed on time you know
longevity mindset is I care about my
longevity I want to see much of this
universe as I can we're in the middle of
this extraordinary opportunity and I'm
going to do what it takes to get myself
to that
Launchpad what do you think about
something like an OIC or something where
you can kind of skirt around the mindset
of it all and just be like well I think
it's a tool I think OIC is a tool that
is a godsend for certain people who
absolutely need it I think it's a crutch
for other people who should basically
just stop eating the donuts damn it and
get into the gym so if you're using
OIC um The Dangers are and I'm sure
everybody's heard this before that much
of the weight you lose is muscle
mass which again is your longevity organ
and if you go off
OIC you gain back the weight but not the
muscle and so if you want to use OIC for
a period of three or four months to
train yourself to eat
healthy to get good habits I added this
in the book last I added an entire
chapter on routines on habits cuz for me
the the most important thing I've I've
done in the last five years is developed
really great
habits like what I do you know it's like
I'm in bed at 9:30 at night why because
my body wakes up at 5:30 and I want
those 8 hours of sleep and at 5:30 the
first two hours are mine and I'm going
to do my red light I'm going to meditate
I'm going to work out I'm going to write
a blog and that's my routine and it I I
feel comfortable I feel empowered when I
do that routine and then the rest of the
day goes on to the rest of the day but
routines are really important and so can
you get into good habits right a habit
is a and a routine is a mechanism by
which you don't negotiate with yourself
all the time so use OIC if you're using
it to get into good healthy eating
habits and don't use it as a
crutch yeah I worry that there's anytime
you're taking an an exogenous substance
there's going to be a second and third
order consequence of people so the The
glp1 Agonist that and there's I talk
about this in the book there are a
number of things you can do which are n
which naturally cause the same effects
as OIC like just you know chewing your
food um obsessively for know 20 chew
before most of us unfortunately dinner
looks like this in front of the TV and
the worst thing you could possibly do is
eat dinner watching the crisis News
Network at night which puts you in a
sympathetic ner State a fight ORF flight
State and you don't absorb any of the
nutrients it's like the worst thing it's
why you want to take a deep breath slow
it down you know do Grace with your
family tell
gratitudes uh enjoy that you know what
do you tell people speaking of Crisis
News Network what do you tell people
about like politics I know you don't
really pay attention to it um you've
been extraordinarily
successful what's your thought
um listen like you but not as much I've
become a little bit more aware wary and
respectful of the importance of having
the right systems in place for
governance is that do you think that's
us getting older or is that there really
is something unique about this time I I
think it is us getting older us having
more to lose us um uh
you know I I one of the other things I
think about is that you
know when will we have the you know we
don't have revolutions very easily
anymore to create new governments so I
think how would we create new government
systems uh I think we will have the
chance to experiment with new
governments off Earth on Mars well I
didn't see that answer coming oh yeah um
on uh how near term is that how
realistic do you give us being able to
create a sustainable Colony on Mars so
whether it's on mars or it's on the moon
or it's in what are called O'Neal
colonies which are large containments of
a thousand or a million people orbiting
uh orbiting the Sun maybe maybe in a
coorbit with the Earth um I think we
we'll see that in the next 20 years and
it's a non it's a non linear projection
why is it
nonlinear because of AI again so I want
you to imagine right so first of all
holy [ __ ] Starship oh my God Elon oxygen
out of the room like you know drop the
mic moment Starship being caught by
those watch so many times oh my God and
and in March hopefully we're going to
see uh the uh the actual Starship this
upper stage if you would also come back
first time we can see a fully reusable
vehicle which is like the Holy Growl of
the Aerospace industry was like always
like when will we see that that ship is
the Mayflower it is the you know the
Workhorse that will take us to the moon
and take us to Mars all other government
space programs all other aerospace
companies you know palale in comparison
right there's the US Space Program
there's the Chinese space program and
there's the Elon Space Program
um so how we get to Mars and to O'Neal
colonies and the moon at an accelerated
rate well we can send humanoid robots
powered by AIS to go do all the work
prepare everything build it get it ready
so when we land there it's not landing
and like one small step and you're in a
space suit you're walking into a you
know a fully built out
habitat uh with liquid water that's been
mined and fuel that exists and energy
sources I mean that's an extraordinary
future now the interesting thing is what
we said a few you know I an hour ago or
so was uh the the FY Paradox at some
point um living in a virtual Mars may be
far more enticing than going physically
to Mars you know what I think is going
to happen what's that they're going to
go to Mars if for no other reason then
Elon is so hardcore about it it's
actually going to happen and you will
get the people like the guys that
responded to um shackleton's notice for
this is goingon to be hard probably
going to die but it'll still be love
that notice so good oh God that thing's
amazing uh so they'll go but they will
live inside of they'll spend time inside
of virtual worlds while they're there as
a way to break up the claustrophobia
basically being trapped inside uh I
remember the first time I put on a VR
headset I was like o this is interesting
this would have Zapped a a lot of my
desire to get rich if I knew that I
could just put this on and live inside
of a beautiful mansion while I have it
on really really impactful and as it
gets better by the way you own an Oculus
right yeah and you own a Vision Pro of
course uh how many times you used your
Vision Pro not many yeah I bought it I
used it twice and it's under my desk
yeah it'll have to get better but it I
uh assumed that would be the case but in
terms of like have you seen that demo
where the person is wearing it walking
through their kitchen they're like make
it look like the 50s make it look like
an alien landscape it's unbelievable
yeah that is coming that is coming and
you know Sora just got released by open
Ai and you're going to be able to
generate anything you want yeah you know
I was it was interesting I was uh at the
L and I was like wow this is so
beautiful you know we couldn't recreate
this now with all of the physical
architecture and all the Artistry and so
forth and I was like huh actually you
just want to have a house with white
walls and white ceilings and just be
wearing virtual eye gear all the time
and you can make it look like anything
and when it's lightweight that is
exactly what people do dude the AR is
something people do not I I don't think
they understand what's going to happen
like that's going to be really near-term
transformative yeah I'm really excited
about that one but I want to go back to
space for a second so uh rank order the
three so we've got the Moon Moon we've
got Mars and we've got the got the oal
colonies yeah so we're going back to the
Moon first and we will be there uh's
going back to's going 100% so Elon is
going and Jeff Bezos I'm saying people
right it's SpaceX and blue origin so
blue origin is uh I knew Jeff in college
uh I started the my first organization
ever was students for exploration
development of space saids and it was a
national network work of college space
groups and Jeff ran the Princeton
chapter and I was a national chairman
and I remember meeting him years later
after he started Amazon and I'm like
Jeff like what's this Amazon thing I
thought you were going to do space and
he goes yeah I'm gonna make my money in
Amazon first and then do it in space not
a bad shot and one two plan real easy uh
so uh he's spending about a billion
dollars a year and he's been doing his
suborbital flights uh but he has new uh
new Glenn um which will be uh his
orbital vehicle hopefully will launch
this year so there are two or three
companies there's SpaceX there's blue
origin uh there's relativity space um
that are building large Vehicles right
now uh
so
Starship there's another vehicle that's
been developed by the government by
Boeing and and it'll get canceled it's
just way behind budget and Starship uh
will I think be on the moon within
within two years whoa and when it does
it'll have the ability to carry 50
people not two like we had right we're
on the Moon last on December 17th of
1972 uh with Jack Schmidt and Jean
cernon I know it was jeene cernon I
think it was Jack Schmidt um as well and
we haven't been back since but uh with
humans but we'll go there and we'll
start to set up bases on the moon and
the moon will be an incredible habitat
where science will get done research
will get done um and we'll develop a
human presence a permanent human
presence probably in the dozens to
hundreds of people will permanently
habitat there it'll be more like the
Arctic Antarctic type research basis
right um independent of that uh this is
one I was was interviewing Elon in Riad
uh at the FI conference and I asked him
when are we going to Mars and he said
I'm making a shot to get Starship to
Mars in the next two years so there will
be a parallel effort to go to Mars you
know he has been pretty right on a lot
of things his timing is kind of off
sometimes but there's an incredible
opportunity um which sounds like I
challenge America to put humans on the
surface of Mars you know by the end of
this decade and get them get them back
maybe not the back part but I think
boots on Mars will be probably Optimus
robots on Mars first makes sense um and
then humans to
follow so I mean it's you listen the the
Star Trek fan in me it's like we got
data coming we got Starships coming it's
pretty awesome pretty awesome now uh is
it that you cannot build an atmosphere
on the moon because no one's talking
about terraforming the moon but they do
talk about terraforming Mars yeah it's
that the moon doesn't have enough
gravitational Pole to retain an
atmosphere okay um and there is a very
interesting opportunity there the moon
has large Lava Tubes H like huge Caverns
that have are under the lunar surface
and you can fill them with atmosphere
whoa and one of the cool things you
could do do inside those lava tubes on
the moon filled with atmosphere is fly
cuz a human with a pair of wings has
enough muscle strength in one six
gravity oh my god wow you have you ever
been on zuro G with me I have yeah okay
all right and so incredible yeah so
those you don't know you can fly uh a
parabolic flight uh in Zer G uh I had
one of my greatest moments in life was
taking Steven Hawking up in lessness and
letting the world's expert in gravity
experience zero gravity and it's
something everybody can do if you
gozerog g.com in the airplane Barn
storms around the country and we fly at
Long Beach in Las Vegas and Florida
other places and we do 15 of these arcs
the first uh two are Martian so you feel
onethird of your weight then we do a
couple of lunar you feel one sixth of
your weight and then a dozen or so zero
g
parabas so um yeah space there's a
Resurgence right and at the same time
another holy [ __ ] moment starlink OMG
right on our way to 12,000 satellites uh
providing 100 megabit to gigabit
connection speeds to every square meter
on the
planet and now to my T-Mobile phone wow
that's bananas it is all right so rank
order for me okay which one so moon is
first moon is first um and uh we'll
build that out uh over the next decade
it'll get more and more capabilities
it'll be science-driven
mostly um you know we can do great
astronomy there we can on the dark side
we can see uh far instead of building um
you know the web telescope in Earth
orbit you build it on the dark side of
the moon and you can see the universe
from there uh we'll get missions to Mars
over the course of the next decade as
well um and and terraforming Mars is a
much bigger
Endeavor and it's going to be fraught
with political like how dare you bomb
Mars you know you know because the best
way to terraform it is sort of like
throw rocks at the poles and increase
the atmospheric density of CO2 and um
maybe some nukes on the poles uh but
we'll do enclosures there as well like
the lava tubes well no surface ex uh
enclosures will build doed cities
and we have the the good thing about
Mars is it's got um a large water supply
right in ice and it's got uh
CO2 uh it's got oxygen Bound in the uh
iron which makes it red right um it's
rust uh and so there's lots of resources
there and so we'll we'll we'll do that I
I think the future of humanity in space
is in the Realm of the O'Neal colonies
Gerard K O'Neal another Mentor said why
would you ever go back into a
gravitational
well uh and so he had a concept of these
large cylindrical
tubes think like a half kilometer
diameter and you know a couple
kilometers long that are
rotating uh at a right speed to create
centrifical force on the inside and you
live on the inside of this tube the
materials are either off the lar surface
but much easier to get them out of
asteroids um and you have ai and robots
to do this
manufacturing and you can have a
population of 10,000 people or more
living inside there um as they get older
they can move towards the center of
rotation and uh you know the gravity
goes as uh Omega squ R their centuple
acceleration and radius so as you get to
zero towards the center it becomes
lighter and lighter so you can live in a
lower gravity environment if you want
but here's the interesting thing from
the politics side if you have like a
group of 10 50 100,000 people and
they're having political disagreements
you say okay listen we're going to bud
we're going to build another one over
here and the Democrats can go there the
Republicans can go there and stop the
fighting um and you know this is listen
I love Elon and all that he's done um
he's got a Mar's Vision Jeff Bezos cuz
he was at Princeton same place that jar
K O'Neil was uh his vision is much more
of this oan uh vision of these colonies
and such wow that's really interesting
uh okay so ballpark me when will the
first O'Neal Colony spin oh I think
that's uh if in fact Humanity still
hasn't has the drive to want to do this
um I think that is probably more like uh
I don't know there's going to be a lot
of trillionaires by then um and a lot of
lowcost Labor so if I said 30 years that
might be pessimistic but I'll say 30
years okay it's incredible well you're
certainly giving me a lot of reasons to
want to live forever yeah I mean I think
I'll just let me hit that one second
because I think when I'm when I'm with
my abundance community and I'm talking
about longevity and such I'm like listen
the number one thing um besides all of
the stuff on food diet exercise Med
supplements not ding for something
stupid is having a purpose and and
having a vision and you know if I said
to you listen I'm G to give you 20 extra
healthy Years Tom what you going to do
with those 20 years um I think most
people can figure that out now if I said
to you you got 50 extra years a lot of
people's brains break on that like I
don't know what to do with 50 extra
years it's a big difference yeah yeah so
um you've talked a lot about don't die
from something stupid so we've already
heard sugar what else can we do to make
sure that we don't die from something
stupid so the chapter on that and it's a
really important message for everybody
uh which
is our bodies are really good at hiding
disease you think you're fine but you
have no
idea right so um it turns out and these
stats are pretty scary 70% of all heart
attacks have no preced no shortness of
breath yeah no signs even even on a
typical calcium score you could have a
calcium score of zero and have a heart
attack that night because it's not the
calcified plaque it's the soft
plaque um you don't feel a cancer until
stage three or stage
four you know we all know people who go
to the hospital with a pain and the
doctor says I'm sorry to say you tell
you this but you've got this situation
going on this cancer or whatever the
case might be it didn't happen that
morning it's been going on for some time
you just didn't know it and here's the
stunner 70% of the cancers that kill you
are never tested for yo right so we test
for breast and prostate and colon
but we don't test for you know uh we
don't test for pancreatic cancer or for
Glo blastomas or a whole slew of other
cancers they're just not part of the
routine Medical Care
and you can know what's going on inside
your body and people go I don't want to
know and I like [ __ ] of course you
want to know you're gonna find out
eventually you want to know now we can
do something about it or when it's too
late
so um uh four years ago I joined with
Bill cap and Tony Robbins and we built
this company called Fountain life and
it's I built it for myself and my family
and the friends that I love I put my
CEOs my companies through it and they're
these 10,000 F foot diagnostic Centers
they're Diagnostics and
Therapeutics and uh you go through it's
about 4 and 1/2 hours and we digitize
you upload you uh full body MRI brain
brain vasculature it's a coronary CT
looking your coronary arteries but using
an AI overlay called clearly looking for
soft plaque which is what will kill you
uh a low dust long CT a dexa scan your
full genome your metabolome your
microbiome your retinal scan your skin
scans it's all the data we can collect
about you it's it's 300 gigabytes I'm
sorry 200 gigabytes of data wow and and
here are the numbers 2% of our members
who are seemingly healthy they think
they're
fine have a cancer they don't know about
wow right two out of 100 2 and a half%
have an aneurysm they don't know about
and 14.4% have either metabolic disease
neurocognitive disease cardiovascular
disease or a Cancer and they need to
take action right away and so I go
through this Fountain Apex upload every
year um I kind hold my breath um and we
are there to answer two questions number
one is there anything going on inside
your body you need to know about and if
there is let's take care of it right
away and number two what is likely to
happen to you and how do we optimize you
to prevent that from happening because
this is the world we're living in right
now right so I call this not dying from
something stupid um it's not cheap uh
it's 19,500 buckss for the full body
upload but also includes a medical
wraparound team so it's quarterly
testing you get a functional medicine
doctor who's with you the entire year a
nurse a dietitian uh a health coach and
that RP around helps you really optimize
yourself we just are launching now a
program at
$6,500 um which includes the upload and
the first consult and we're doing it
through companies for their emplo
employees and all of this is going to
demonetize at the end right it's all
going to get cheaper and cheaper every
year as AI the humans are still the
expensive part right the Machinery is
getting cheaper uh we're eventually we
have a program called uh Fountain life
at home because all of this will move
out of the doctor's office out of the
hospitals into your home right so I've
got a uh CGM an a ring an Apple Watch
and I'll eventually have dozens of
sensors on my body in my body uploading
to my AI which is monitoring everything
all the time and my AI is going to be
sending information to the robot Chef in
my kitchen saying this is what Peter
should be eating tonight you know it's
interesting close the loop if you turn
on health coach it'll say hey lazy don't
take the elevator there's a staircase
over there or time to get out of bed or
you can turn that off if you want but
you know it's good to have someone with
you so supporting you so when I talk
about not dying for something stupid
it's uh it's going through Fountain life
uh there are other programs as well I
think we've got the best most
comprehensive uh program out there and I
still want you to come through it no man
for sure I 100% if it's in La that's
easy um but you know that six months
out I've had so many PE we've saved so
many lives yeah this is terrifying I
know you had a fraternity had a
fraternity brother of mine who was
supposed to come in and uh and died in
his sleep um I had uh do you know Sam
narian by any chance no so Sam was the
head is hotelier very successful the
head of SLS hotels and um uh he and Tony
Robbins and a few others started
something called the Estates and these
will be 25 six-star Resorts and um and
Residences around the world and we're we
cut a deal well he approached us he he
looked at all the other players and he
chose us and we're going to embed
Fountain life into all of those Resorts
and and developments so he came I said
come through Orlando our headquarters
and go through the process now Sam and
his wife had the best physicians in the
world went through we found two brain
aneurysms o and he was in surgery a week
later Jesus he's fine now he's publicly
said you know made this public statement
so okay Shar it but you just never know
H too true speaking of what we may never
know tell me will we see people live to
an average life expectancy of 150 first
or a million people living either in an
O'Neal sphere on the moon or Mars oh I
think we'll hit the longevity side first
yeah oh for sure okay wow it's pretty
near term yeah I I I think that
um it's it's going to it's not magic
it's not it's just not
understood why we
age let me say that differently uh we
have a lot of theories of why we age
there are the Hallmarks of Aging there
are 12 things that we believe are
causing aging and there's a chapter on I
take about God now 80 85 meds and
supplements every day and people are
like what do you take and why do you
take it and how do you decide and so I
laid out in the book and it's not for
everybody it's I've gotten there a
little bit of time in consultation with
my doctors
and I looked at each of these 12
Hallmarks of Aging like um like stem
cell exhaustion or mitochondrial
failures and there are supplements and
meds to support each one of them so I
break it down for each one of these
Hallmarks these are the meds or
supplements that I'm taking to counter
that and again everybody should do
should develop their own plan in
consultation with a physician there will
eventually be an AI that takes in your
genetics takes in all your health data
says what's your objective time do you
want more muscle do you want more mental
Clarity you want better sleep what do
you want and how many pills you want to
take per day right which is an important
one I'm only willing to take 10 okay
these are the top 10 you should take how
many do you take a day like 8
now J yeah when I wrote the book it was
75 it's gone up um my mom says Hey how
do you know they don't interfere with
each other I said Mom I don't I don't
but I'm doing I feel great yeah I am
doing great so you know so far so good
absolutely fascinating what is the
craziest thing you think we're going to
find at the intersection of health and
Tech like near
term wow
um oh I got this do you know that we
just mapped the
connectome of the brain of a fruit fly
so all the different synaptic the fruit
fly has 154,000 neurons and I think 54
million
synapses and we used a lot we used an AI
to map that exact connection of the
fruit fly and put it up into a computer
model and so you can say if we did this
to the fruit fly touched it here gave it
this kind of chemical whatever what
would it do and then do it and it does
the exact same thing whoa right and so
here's what's next uh we'll go from the
fruit fly
connectome uh to a mouse on stage at the
abundance Summit this year on my
moonshot day I've got uh the COO of a
company uh that is brilliant what
they're doing and how they're doing it
who believes he can map the connectome
of our brains for about $50 million for
the first one whoa our 100 billion
neurons 100 trillion synaptic
connections so you know the brain has
always been sowhat of a black box wow so
that's one there's another one oh my god
do you know Mary L Jepson that name
sounds famar oh God Almighty she is
incredible dear dear friend um full
disclosure I'm an adviser and investor
through my Venture Fund in her company
called Open Water she's brilliant so
here's a
woman who is head of engineering at
Facebook um uh at at Google um at uh at
Intel she ran the first the one laptop
her child program with NE Nicholas uh a
PhD in
holography um professor at MIT I mean
really brilliant who has a teenager into
college has a brain tumor
undiagnosed and um she's dropping out of
her PhD program uh to go home and die oh
my God and her whatever professors says
listen I think you should have an MRI
and he pays for her to have an MRI and
they discover a brain tumor that was
undiagnosed and she has
surgery um and she gets fully cured uh
she had to have her pituitary removed so
she takes a whole bunch of meds every
day just to do pharmaceutical
replacement um
she is I I can't sing her praise enough
this woman will get the Nobel Prize for
her work so what has she done she has
learned how to use the consumer
electronics Industry like our cameras on
these phones are miracles of what
they're able to do
she has created uh devices um that are
microm miniaturized they've gone from a
room size of equipment down to something
about the size of a block like this like
like a thousand times smaller a thousand
times cheaper that is able to use
infrared uh infrared light holography
and ultrasound to do a number of things
so number one her devices which you
which you attach on your head with a
headband um
can detect whether you're having a
stroke or not and which will say it's
Strokes the number two killers in the
world unfortunately by the time you
diagnosed someone is having a stroke a
lot of times it's way too late the
hospital doesn't have the tech to solve
the stroke if you diagnose it early 100%
recovery right so this device she'll put
in every ambulance so that you can
detect whether they have a stroke or not
all right next thing this device she's
able to guide the exact en energy of
ultrasound and infrared to different
parts of the brain and she has
determined she built brain organoids a
brain organoid is a take human neural
stem cells and grow a small brain okay
they do it's it's been done for a while
now you can you can do a kidney organoid
a lung organoid a liver organoid a brain
organoid a heart organ so it's it's a
collection you know could be the size of
your thumb whatever but tens of millions
of those
cells and what she did was she developed
one of those brain organoids that had
Glo
blastoma tumors in them which is it's a
today if anybody gets Glo blastoma as a
diagnosis it's death sentence like in
months maybe a
year and what she found was because
these tumor cells are so rapidly growing
there's a whole segment on on her um
because they're rapidly
growing um the cells are mostly all
nucleus with very little cytoplasm
because the nucleus is dividing and
creating another one and dividing
creating another one doesn't have time
for the cytoplasm to grow right and so
because it's very different than the
other cells that are mostly cytoplasm
with the nucleus and this is all nucleus
is a different resonance frequency and
so what she has been able to do is use
the ultrasound from one these little
devices to be able to rupture all of the
cancer cells in the GL GL blastoma in
your brain whoa and basically it's going
into humans next it's been done in mice
it cures them of their gly blastoma wow
gets
better she's been able to identify if
you have mental disorders or addiction
she can provide a five minute per day
treatment with this device that will
downregulate your add or your depression
or your addiction five minutes a
day I mean that would be transformative
it is transformative right I mean uh
she's
amazing so you asked me about what I'm
expecting in the short term so
she ended up um she did some early
financing rounds I helped her raise
money my Venture company invested and
then um she had this huge hurdle to
productize this stuff because her goal
was like I need to get this really cheap
and available to as many people as
possible she went to vitalic butterin
the founder of ethereum yeah yeah and he
said if you open source it I'll give you
$50 million to do what you need to do
wow so he did didn't ask for any equity
and she's open- sourced it and so these
devices will be manufactured available
to people around the world and it will
become software as medication so imagine
these devices and she has a whole bunch
of different form factors for different
parts of the body and a research lab
will be able to say Okay I want to
address this type of inflammatory bowel
disease using infrared and and there'll
be thousands of people using these
devices is new medical diagnostic and
therapeutic tools that will cost
effectively
nothing wow I mean I just it's I I I'm
sorry there's a hundred stories like
this which is why I'm so extraordinarily
excited about this health span
Revolution coming what do you see as you
extend the timeline out what's the
craziest intersection of health and Tech
that you see in a mid to long term BCI
brain computer
interface um the ability to uh connect
your brain seamlessly to the cloud and
be able you see that as long term even
though we're I I don't see that long
term I see that in the next decade I'm
one of the guys I have on stage at in a
in March at the abundance Summit is Max
hodak who is the co-founder of neuralink
and he's got a new company called
science which blows away
neuralink it's a bold statement it is a
bold statement what he's done in terms
of being able to um you know neuralink
will have like a thousand connections
into the
neocortex and when you put these
Connections in even something a fraction
of a human cell a human hair still kills
cells and disrupt cells when you put
them in and the immune system
encapsulates them later he's developed a
mechanism by which he grows neural stem
cells out of a
uh electronic
circuitry and the neural stem cells grow
into the brain what like Roots into the
ground and this is SciFi dude yes yes I
mean this is stuff I spend all day
researching investing and thinking about
writing about because it I can't I can't
sleep with all this stuff going on and
instead of like a thousand connections
into the brain how about a million or 10
million connections into the brain and
you know our Corpus colossum that
connects the right and left half of the
brain imagine another hemisphere of the
brain
whoa wow whoa yeah that is nuts yeah
Peter every time I spend time with you
it is absolutely extraordinary where can
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