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Tensions between the US and Venezuela
continue to boil. Putin says the
European Union is trying to sabotage
peace talks in the Russia Ukraine
conflict. As corruption allegations
swirl, rumors are flying that Zalinski
may be forced out of office in
handcuffs. And Trump has declared all
Biden autopen actions null and void.
Trump has also put an immigration pause
on a bunch of countries after the recent
capital shooting.
>> We had talks over the break about
bombers flying around the Caribbean.
Trump shut down all the airspace.
Somebody had an airspace map up. I'm
going to pull it up where literally you
see all the planes flying and avoiding
Venezuela.
>> Like things are pretty much tension. I I
won't say we're kind of at the uh was it
the Cuban missile crisis where everybody
was kind of in the boat staring at each
other.
>> I don't think we're that close, but at
the same time we are pretty much on the
border. We reopen bases in Puerto Rico.
It seems like tensions are now rising in
the Caribbean.
>> Yes, for sure. When you draw the
comparison to what happened with Cuba
during Kennedy, that's where this
suddenly looks a lot more chill.
>> Mhm.
>> That was about the US and Russia. So,
Russia rolls up, drops nuclear weapons
into Cuba, which is literally a swim off
the coast of Florida. So you can
certainly understand how that becomes I
mean quite literally the gravest threat
the world has ever faced in terms of
nuclear annihilation. Uh tensions
running high. This is how you get the
red phone between uh the US and the
Kremlin so that they always had a line
so that it was like hey let's not let
this go ary because we're talking
through AIDS. Like I want to make sure
that you and I can get on a phone and
say like for real what's happening what
do you care about? Where do we stand?
Um, so absolutely fascinating moment in
history. I don't think that's what's
playing out here. I don't get any of
those alarm bells going off. China has
backed off. Uh, Iran has backed off.
Russia's backed off. Everybody's leaving
Maduro isolated on this. Now, what
Trump's real game is, I don't know.
Like, I really thought, oh, this is
clean. This is about China. Uh, do I
think that China is a big part of this?
100%.
Do I think that oil is a part of this?
100%. But do I also go
when Trump sends out the the truth
social that he did about the Dominion uh
voting machines?
>> And I was like, "Okay, wait, hold on.
What?" Like, this was a part of the
puzzle that I did not see coming. And
this is where, like, listen, being on
camera and talking about this stuff, you
always know there's something about this
that I don't know. I'm very much on the
outside looking in. Especially me like a
lot of these guys are um you know
they're connected to Washington DC. I'm
very much not.
>> So for me it's trying to parse what
makes sense from a geopolitical
standpoint. If you look at all the
pieces on the board like trying to put
yourself in a position of okay I know
what people are trying to do in terms of
the power they want to gain or access to
resources or whatever and so what do I
think all this plays out as? But
something like that came out of left
field for me. And some of the
accusations are wild. Now I This is
early days. We'll see what comes out.
But there are people out there saying
that they've been doing Dominion machine
manipulation since uh the 2008 election
of Obama and that this is um like a much
broader longerlasting problem that we
know. Again, will that all end up being
[ __ ] I don't even know how in use
the Dominion machines were back then. So
anyway, that'll play out in the fullness
of time. But it's interesting because
Trump has retweeted it. Obviously, I
give it. It's taking up some of his mind
share that Maduro has been involved in
trying to manipulate US politics
presumably for a very long time.
>> Trump obviously has beef with the 2020
election. Uh, and so it felt like a big
finger pointing to this guy. Basically,
if you're going to mess with me, and I
think that is the right way to read
Trump.
>> This is not an America thing in this
particular instance.
>> If you're going to mess with me, I'm
100% going to put the full might of the
US military behind me and I'm not afraid
to flex. It's interesting. So, okay.
Period. That's that. Now, new idea. One
of the things about Trump that I find so
interesting is that he really is a
strong man. He is not somebody who is
posturing as like a guy that bluffs.
This is part of what makes him erratic,
part of what makes him dangerous, part
of what makes him a problem. It's also
part of how you get everybody else in
the world to calm down. when you have
somebody that is willing to create
chaos, is willing to throw 100% tariff
here, 200% tariff there, um send all of
our most devastating military equipment
into the Caribbean, um and if it ends up
being over a voting machine, I mean, it
will just all be wild. This is somebody
who has just enough he creates just
enough uncertainty in the minds of the
people that he's negotiating with. And
because he has the US economy behind
him, because he has the US military
behind him, you have to take that
seriously. And
in interviewing um Laugher from the
Laugher Curve fame, thank you, by the
way, for getting that guest. I loved
that interview. He was the best. Yeah,
he was. It was a lot of fun. And I I was
a little surprised how much he and I
were arguing. Uh but it was fun. All in
good faith. Wonderful, wonderful
exchange. Um, but anyway, while I was
researching him, his sense of like
part of Trump's strategy is the chaos
and in the chaos he creates openings and
then he exploits those openings. I don't
necessarily need people to believe that
Trump is brilliant enough to um create
chaos in a known way,
>> but that he is comfortable with chaos
and then looking for okay, what openings
does this create for me? Uh, it is
interesting. I'm not saying that I love
it. I'm not saying I'm clapping for it.
I am saying I'm watching with absolute
utter fascination as somebody who
recognizes the way that he moves is like
a CEO, not like a president. Uh, and so
I recognize how when you're interfacing
with certainly competitive companies
>> and if you're able to create
instability, if they're especially if
they're trying to copy you, if they're
trying to be counter punchers to you and
you make it impossible them for them to
figure out where you're going next, uh,
that's what it feels like he's doing.
So, I'll be very interested to see how
this stuff plays out. I mean, some of it
is nailbiting because obviously I don't
want to see troops deployed. I don't
want to see us firing shots.
>> But at the same time, we are in it's not
a power vacuum, but we're in a period
where the world can sense our weakness
and that emboldens people to go on the
attack or whatever. I think Putin
invading Ukraine is a perfect example of
this. Under Biden, we were at our
regional weakest. I don't know that it's
the weakest we've ever been, but it was
certainly a regional uh peak in
weakness. And you saw how different
things happened, whether it was what
happened in Israel, what happened in the
Ukraine. I actually don't think those
things would have happened with Trump
because he is um aggressive. He is
unpredictable. He does have so much
might behind him and he's willing to use
it.
>> All right, I want to jump into the
voting machines part of Venezuela cuz to
your point, everybody knows about the
oil. Everybody has speculation about
China. Everybody has speculation about
the narco boats. We'll get to those
things, but this one is I think is a new
a new stream that I haven't necessarily
pulled yet. So, um this is um Trump
retweeting on truth social Johnny St.
Pete and uh this is the tweet bombshell
video. Elon Mus must have might have
saved the 2024 election from being
stolen. Benny Johnson tells the story of
how Mus knew that they would that they
would win the election and appears it's
because they identified the overseas
systems and machines that were going to
to perpetrate what we saw in 2020. Now
we know why Trump is raging at
Venezuela. Apparently, we weren't crazy.
Mus tracked down the IP addresses of the
Dominion office in Serbia and rendered
their computer useless before the
election. Years prior in 2020, the
chairman of Smartmatics holding company
SGO was Mark Malik Brown. He resigned in
2020. Guess where his next job was?
January 2021. The president of the Open
Society Foundation. Yes, Soros's
foundation. George Soros being the
number one donor to the Democrats and
the DNC. His right-hand man was a head
of an electronic voting company called
Smartmatic. And these Dominion machines
may have been running Smartmatic
software. According to Emerald Robinson,
General Flynn flew out to meet with the
Venezuela whistleblowers. Anyone else
think it's odd that the Democrats are
worried so relentlessly about Venezuela?
Were they and the globalists running
operations out of there?
>> So again, early speculation, but Trump
retweeted on his true social, so that's
why it's kind of gaining steam u on the
interwebs.
>> Yeah. I mean, this is it. So the Elon
involvement obviously is utterly
fascinating. M
>> uh if there was essentially cyber
warfare going on where he's identified
the computers that have supposedly been
running this manipulation scheme was
actually able to get in there and shut
them down.
>> Um that is and it's all a little
horrifying. It's horrifying on a lot of
levels. horrifying that it was being
done obviously horrifying that you have
to do this kind of like uh technological
scan of the battlefield and you begin to
realize oh there are cyber wars that are
being fought all day every day
>> um and then just insane that Elon Musk
again finds himself at the center of
this kind of thing for me that is
somebody who is able to look at the
world and see what really matters right
now and to build one of the most
profound companies in that space and
then the power of human intelligence.
>> The the thing that always drives me
crazy when people go on an anti- Musk
tirade about what does he actually do?
Like he's just taking credit for other
people's stuff.
>> Just like do you know how hard it is to
attract human capital like to convince
people to come work for you? There has
never been in human history somebody in
the business world that has been able to
attract the level of human talent that
he's been able to attract across
industries. Like people want to work for
this guy. There is something utterly
fascinating about someone who is
>> from a work ethic standpoint is just
maniacal. I mean completely unhinged
working around the clock, sleeping on
his desk. Thi this is at times the
richest man in the world sleeping on the
floor of a production facility sleeping
on his desk at work like
>> routinely having 11 p.m. meetings like
>> 1 a.m. meetings. So, uh, there was a
great story from somebody that used to
work for him, quit, totally burned out,
goes and works somewhere else for
whatever 2 months, 3 months, and then
comes back and people were like, "What
are you doing coming back? Like, you
were so burned out. You hated it here."
And he goes, "I would rather burn out
under Musk than be bored."
>> Wow. And I'm just like in in all of the
sort of anti- uh male aggression bias
that we just went through over the last
10 or 15 years, what got lost is there
is a certain type of guy. They they want
to work, man. Like they want a load upon
their back to try to break them and they
just refuse to be broken by it and they
want more and more and more so that they
can prove to themselves and to others
that they can really do something. He
aggregates those people and he
aggregates people with that mentality
that are also hyper intelligent.
>> And seeing him take that sort of
magnifying glass of intelligence and be
like, "Oh, we need to point this to
destroying servers in Serbia. Say less,
fam." And then he just goes and does it.
Now, look, this is early. We don't know
if this is actually what happened,
>> but the fact again that Trump retweeted
it tells me that there's enough validity
here to be interesting.
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>> U. Okay, so now let's let's take a step
back. Voting machines aside, let's just
kind of see where we're at right now. Um
there's been some speculation in the
Senate right now of trying to actually
get a powers uh resolution in in
Congress to vote because they think that
the boat narco strikes have been um
unconstitutional because you have to go
through Congress to go to war.
>> Um there have been 21 strikes so far
that have killed at least 83 people in
these drug boats going back and forth
from the uh Venezuela. Um,
as it states, um, Pete Hegth has, um,
come under scrutiny lately because of
the double strike, um, that has happened
recently. So, there was a video that
allegedly one of the narco boats was
strike. U, they blew up the boat, but
then there were some survivors in the
water and they sent another bomb to just
kind of wipe it out completely.
>> This is him uh, talking about that
during the cabinet meeting uh,
yesterday. that again or do you end the
problem directly by taking a lethal
kinetic approach? And that's the way
President Trump has authorized the War
Department to look at these cartels. And
I wish everybody could be in the room
watching our professionals, our
professionals like Mitch Bradley,
Admiral Mitch Bradley and others at JOCK
and SOCOM and other commanders. the
deliberative process, the detail, the
rigorous, the intel, the legal, the
evidence-based way that we're able to
with sources and methods that we can't
reveal here that make sure that every
one of those drug boats is tied to a
designated terrorist organization. We
know who's on it, what they're doing,
what what they're carrying. All these
white bales are not Christmas gifts from
Santa. Uh this is drugs running on four
motor fast boats or submarines that
we've also struck. No one's fishing on a
submarine. uh and I have empowered them
to make that call. Now, the first couple
of strikes, as you would, as any leader
would want, you want to own that
responsibility. So, I said, I'm going to
be the one to make the call after
getting all the information and make
sure it's the right strike. That was
September 2nd. There's a lot of
intelligence that goes into that
building that case and understanding
that. A lot of people providing
information. I watched that first strike
live. Uh, as you can imagine, at the
Department of War, we got a lot of
things to do. So I didn't stick around
for the hour and two hours whatever
where all the sensitive site
exploitation digitally occurs. So I
moved on to my next meeting. Couple of
hours later I learned that that
commander had made the which he had the
complete authority to do and by the way
Admiral Bradley made the correct
decision to ultimately sink the boat and
eliminate the threat.
>> So that's the one where he had the he
had the authority to do that. And then
last one, then I'll take it up to you is
uh Maduro has responded saying, "I say
clearly to the world, the United States
is planning to plunder Venezuelan oil.
They want to seize the largest oil
reserve in the world as if Venezuela
were a land without people. That will
not happen. Not why I'm leading this
nation." So, there's all these kind of
different narratives that are happening
kind of surrounding Venezuela.
I know when it comes to immigration
sometimes you got to be fast and you
know make uh you got to be fast and
swift and kind of come back later and
apologize for those you got to cut quick
and then maybe come back and rehire
people when it comes to international
relationships. Are do you think we're
approaching this Venezuela situation
with all that swirling kind of up in the
ether?
>> Okay. Well, so you've put two things on
the table. One, you've got the boat
strikes. Yeah.
>> Uh and then two, you've got Maduro. Now,
I have a mental map of Maduro as a narco
kingpin essentially. So, because of that
mental map, I look at this kind of
statement and laugh. It's like
>> he's just trying to save face.
>> Not just say face. All of these
politicians are absolute masters at the
game of propaganda. And what they
understand is if I can give you a frame
of reference, I can control what you
look at and what you see. And uh God,
one of the great missions of my life,
I'm not even sure how to say this out
loud, but I have realized how my own
life, the quality of it has changed
entirely by manipulating my own frame of
reference. So my own ability to change
the lens through which I view the world
changes everything about the internal
quality of my life. When I see other
people struggle, my whole thing is
trying to get them to change the
internal um frame of reference they have
built for themselves because simply
changing the lens through which you view
the world. Nothing changed in the
outside world, but the lens through
which you view the world changes and
everything about it changes. Maduro is
trying to do that, but I would say it's
a negative effect. So, he's trying to
reach inside of people's minds. Putin is
doing the same thing. Trump is doing the
same thing. Politicians want to control
your frame of reference. And so from the
near infinite number of options that
there are in terms of how to parse the
world, they try to boom instantly narrow
you down to one choice in their ideal
world or certainly a small handful of
choices.
>> Mhm.
>> And once they can trap you inside of a
frame of reference, they've got you. So
he's trying to get everybody to see him.
Oh, I'm a leader who's just standing up
for my people. Like this is wild. And so
when I see that, I'm like, "Oh my god, I
know that that's going to sway a
distressingly large number of people who
will see that line and be like, "Yeah,
of course." Well, any good leader,
that's exactly what they would say. Now,
if in reality this ends up being a uh
narco kingpin who has plundered his own
nation, is controlling his people so
that he can sell drugs around the world
because drugs are an extraordinary cash
business. I mean, extraordinary, man.
You can make so much money. Like, when
you hear how many billions of dollars
Pablo Picasso was burying, like just
like
out in his [ __ ] backyard in all these
different houses just
>> it it's insanity. So, it it is an
extraordinary business that generates a
ton of literal cash so that you can be
outside of most of the Swift systems and
all that. Like, you've just got literal
cash. And so when I start putting that
guy in that box and I'm like, whoa. Like
if this is manipulating
American elections, if this is him
holding an entire nation hostage, if
this is him ponying up against our
biggest enemies in the world with the
promise of uh oil, and for people that
don't know, Venezuela has like really
dirty oil. And so it is believed that
they have the largest oil reserves in
the world.
But because it's so dirty, until
recently, there was only one place that
could refine that oil, and that was in
Texas. Then China comes in and builds a
refinery that can match what Texas is
doing. So you've got the two biggest
nations in the world
>> fighting in the American hemisphere
over the largest deposit of oil. But it
needs like this special filtering and
both the US and China offer the only
ability to do that. And potentially you
have this very corrupt guy at the center
of this all asking you to believe that
he's just a good guy fighting for his
people. And so all of that is like this
is the political game is a game of
controlling what people see.
>> And that part of it really bothers me.
Like it really bothers me.
because it works, because you get
internal fighting, because we're in a
populist moment where it just gives
people another angle through which to
tribe up and fight against each other.
So that's what I look at when I see
Maduro. Now, the boat strike
>> is
this one is going to ask America
a values question in terms of what we're
willing to put up with to get our way.
And right now, Trump is saying, "No, you
I'm going to bully these guys around.
They are going to in no uncertain terms
understand that I will stop with
violence
>> anybody trying to send drugs into this
country. Now do I think drugs is both
real and a cover story? Yes. So I think
people really are sending drugs. I think
it really does bother a lot of the
people that vote for Donald Trump. Trump
is going to pay attention to anything
that enough of his voters care about and
so he's going to take that seriously.
But I also think it's the thing that he
can talk about to get people on his side
when in reality it's far more
complicated and it has to do with voting
machines and it has to do with oil and
it has to do with China.
>> Um, so that one I think is going to make
people a lot more squeamish. And so this
double strike to me is utterly
fascinating. And this is where I think
that people are going to really struggle
with the way that my mind works because
I'm like, wait, you were perfectly fine
if they had all been killed with the
first strike. Or maybe you weren't fine
with it, but you don't feel like you
have the thing to like get people mad,
>> but because one of the people didn't
quite die and so they hit him with
another one, you've got beef with that.
Like to me either you don't want to see
these people drone struck or they should
be able to drone strike them 57 times
and it doesn't make any difference. I
cannot mentally map like I look at
somebody that has a problem with the
second one. I'm like wait what? So that
I don't understand. Now if somebody's
just like we shouldn't be drone striking
them. Yep. Cool. That makes all the
sense in the world. I totally understand
how a reasonable person comes to that
conclusion.
>> I do not understand even if it is
international law. I do not understand
how somebody comes to the conclusion
that you drone stroke them once, you
missed one of the guys, so you hit that
guy again and people are like, "Wait,
what?" Like, this is so immoral.
What? So, that one I I literally can't
track. So, all of the the uproar over
that is confusing to me.
>> Um, I definitely want to ceue up this
clip now from uh President Putin who
says Europe is the reason they're
sabotaging the peace deal. Um, he speaks
obviously in Russian. So, I'm going to
give you guys my my patented
translations.
>> Um, this was in Moscow yesterday. They
are on the side of war. Speaking about
Europe.
Uh, even when they try to supposedly
introduce some changes to Trump's
proposal, we see clearly what they are
doing. All these changes are aimed at
one thing,
to completely block the entire peace
process.
by putting forward demands
they are absolutely unacceptable for
Russia.
They understand this.
By doing so, they then intend to blame
Russia for the collapse of this peace
process.
This that is their goal. We see this
clearly. We're not going to have a war
with Europe. I've said, but if Europe
suddenly wants to wage a war with us and
starts it, we are ready right away.
There can be no doubt about that. With
Ukraine, we are acting in a surgical
very precise manner. This is not a war
in the direct modern sense of the word.
>> Isn't it?
>> No. If Europe suddenly decides to wage a
war with us and starts it,
a situation may quickly arise in which
there will be no one left for us to
negotiate with. That's spicy talk. I
don't I feel like spicy talk.
>> That's not getting enough attention, but
it it's it's direct. Um, I listen I
watch Professor uh Jen's uh YouTube
page, predictive history. It's like this
Chinese dude um in Canada. He teaches a
class and he kind of talks about history
and how the changes throughout the uh
empires. Something he said was war
nowadays is soft because war back in the
day to your point was way more barbaric.
We're lining up. We're we're killing
everybody. Women and children are
enslaved. We're taking captives, war
prisoners, things like that. with drones
and this precision strikes now it's like
okay I'm attacking your electrical
facility so that way it messes up your
transportation like they're doing these
tactical things and it's less of the
collateral damage so I think to his
point of we're being more precise Russia
is not just kind of going through the
front lines marching through like
Napoleon or Hitler and those types of
things it's a bit more nuanced with
where they're striking at the pace in
which they're striking
>> yeah it's very true I mean if you go
back far enough you start getting into
some of the wars of Genghaskhan it it's
unreal man.
>> Uh, knock. Hey guys, we're here at the
city walls. Come out or we slaughter
everyone. And I do mean everyone. Uh,
no. [ __ ] you. Cool. Slaughter dead. And
they would kill like 60,000 people in.
Dude, it's so wild. There was one
battle. It was a Roman battle. I for it.
Was against Hannibal maybe. And Hannibal
was just like, "Cool. 60,000 dead in an
afternoon." Dude, with swords. You're
hacking 60,000 people to death in an
afternoon.
So I just I've often thought about that.
Do you know how tired your arms will be?
Like I got to kill another one of the
[ __ ] hell,
>> dude. There there have been times where
I'll be sorting my TCG cards and my like
shoulder will start to burn and I'm like
wait I have to hack what's my portion of
60,000 people like Jesus. So uh yeah. So
there's no doubt that in some ways uh
this is better than that.
However, we are losing
thousands of people every week,
>> week after week after week after week.
So, the sum total, it may not happen in
such a short period of time, but we just
have a lot more people on planet Earth
to kill at this point. And so, it it's
still horrific. Okay. The part here to
your point that everybody should be
paying attention to and they're not is
we are now in a period where you've got
war, I don't care what he says, war
between Russia and Ukraine.
>> We've got yet another round of wild
instability between Israel and
Palestine. Mhm.
>> Uh you've got the US deploying basically
everything they have into the Caribbean
uh in a showdown with um
Venezuela. You've got China doing
military exercises off the coast of
technically Taiwan, but Japan knows
what's up.
>> And so Japan and China are now like
really staring at each other,
>> siding each other.
>> If China invades Taiwan, the US and
China now will have a decision to make.
Uh, and now Putin is like, "Oh, Europe
want a peace. Let's go." Now, that I
will tell you is a bluff because he's
stalled out in Ukraine. So, the reason
he's like, "Oh, we're being surgical."
Is like he's trying to signal, "Don't
think that we can't peel off some of
this and come after you guys wholesale.
No problem. We're being surgical. Very
limited here." Uh so
there there is a level of instability
and the question people need to ask is
why now and what I'm putting forward is
why now because America became weak and
the rest of the world was like cool this
is our shot and then I will refer
everybody back to what I just said 10
minutes ago that countries will expand
until they meet sufficient force
>> and so that's precisely what you're
seeing in Russia, Europe, NATO was
trying to expand into Russia, which is a
big part of what kicked this off in the
first place. Uh, China is um certainly
trying to do it through a hearts and
minds strategy, but China's been trying
to go the entire globe over and get
everybody on board with what they're
doing, get everybody on board, probably
with a goldbacked yuan. So, it's like
everybody's making moves to be in the
best position because it has such real
consequences. This is the part that I
think people lose sight of.
>> Why the Ukraine? Why the Ukraine? Why
does the Ukraine find itself in this
battle all the time? Uh and the answer
is it is very fertile land. And so when
you read some of the things that Hitler
was saying, he was like, "Oh, bro,
the Ukraine is going to be our American
West, and we're going to roll into
Russia." Precisely so that Germans can
expand and they can like the Americans
have been just pushing farther and
farther west into all this virgin
territory and claiming it and all of its
resources for themselves and just having
the sense of freedom and space. That's
what we're going to give to the German
people. So why Putin? The same reason.
So it's like you have this extremely
fertile land that also lets Russians
expand. And so
when you can deliver prosperity to your
people, you will be welcomed as a hero.
Now if you create that prosperity
through international deals like Trump
is trying to do, okay, that's one way or
the age-old just take over their
territory. And so now you can one option
one kill a bunch of them and just take
their stuff. Mhm.
>> Uh, and so one of the most horrifying
things in World War II was like, "Oh,
we're in Paris. You're Jewish. Word.
Sorry. Taking all of your [ __ ] like
legally. So, uh, you're a Jew that owns
a company." Not anymore. Uh, so we'll
take that company. Thank you very much.
Uh, great series about um,
Dior. And so Dior's the design house is
born out of World War II. his sister
ends up getting put in a concentration
camp. So, he's like in the thick of it.
Um just in Paris as the Nazis are
coming, makes the decision that he's not
going to help the Nazis, which obviously
is bad for business. And so, just
absolutely fascinating story. And uh
Koko Chanel does
>> and gets very embedded with the Nazis
and then how at first that's very good
for her and then it all circles back
around on her. But you just see how
companies and houses and property were
taken away and it's like that's a lot of
wealth if you can confiscate it. So, um
that's playbook number one. Playbook
number two is you come in and hey, like
we're just glad to welcome you into the
Russian Federation. Welcome. We love you
guys all. Uh but we are going to do
things our way now. We are going to be
having you ship a lot of that wheat or
whatever into mainland Russia. Um,
so we're we're witnessing a rebirth of
the world's oldest story. Knockk
knockock. Give me all your [ __ ]
>> Um, yeah. If facto on that,
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the show. Um, this is also on the news
that uh Ukrainian MP, which is like the
deputy district of of Ukraine. Um, Artum
Demitruck has just dropped a political
bombshell on his Telegram channel. He's
saying that Zalinsky has been ordered to
leave the presidency within days. He
says Zillinsky may refuse to comply.
He's expected to stall for time and
invent excuses. If he resists, he may be
forced out in your handcuffs. Now, this
was kind of almost I guess the
equivalent of like a uh like the
impeachment vote that we have kind of on
the US where the body has said we might
need new ownership. We might need new
leadership, but it's not necessarily he
needs to get rolled out of the White
House. That it's not anything lasting.
Um so there's still conflicting reports
on whether Zalinski's actually going to
do this or not. We haven't actually got
a confirmed source for this just yet.
Um, is this the right time though to
have turnover in the middle of a war
with peace talks finally seeming like
they're coming close to ending and then
Putin kind of going on the offensive? Is
this the time now to kind of change
regimes? How do you feel about the time?
>> It's a roll and there's always high risk
in that because if you got somebody
better that was a military genius that
is uh has more respect of the men that
are fighting for him. Yeah. you'd be in
a much better position. But if it just
creates instability, a power vacuum, and
somebody comes in that doesn't know
what's going on, has to be brought up to
speed, may may not have learned all of
the lessons that he's already learned
through being through all this, doesn't
have the diplomatic ties, etc., etc.,
uh, it could be an absolute catastrophe.
And so this is why typically countries
will have some sort of pause of like,
hey, let's let's not do that. This
person was elected for a reason. uh they
happen to be the one that is in the
middle of this, let this play out and
then when this is all said and done,
then we can deal with it. And that
probably is the right move that you're
just better off, whatever weaknesses
they have, you're better off holding
steady. But politics is a vicious game
and if there are people that want you
out, uh they're going to do whatever
they need to do to get you out. We see
that playing out in US politics as
readily as we see it playing out
anywhere else. So yeah, I mean this is
one of the reasons why I'm like I don't
understand why people want to go into
politics. Everyone is your enemy. There
there is only like short-term alliances
when you both want the same thing. But
the second you don't both want the same
thing, dude, people will turn on you
instantaneously.
And that like that is not a good
feeling. I don't like that. I would hate
that.
>> Yeah. I feel like that is a signal to
Putin like as soon as you have
elections, if elections are over at
7:00, I'm sending a bomb at 7:02. Like I
feel like matter of fact I'm sending a
bomb at 5:55 so that way it messes up
the election process and now everybody's
confused and they don't know who like I
feel like that just invites chaos and
more
>> of course like this is that one this is
why if they can kill the leader they
most certainly will um this is why when
Israel is going after people they're not
targeting low-level grunts they're
targeting like oh this is the head of uh
Hamas this is the head of Hezbollah it's
like then ah we've at least got a shot
that you get a bad role that that leader
was great man of history kind of guy and
now that he's gone like you're just in a
worse off position. And this is why one
of the stories that they tell so often
is um I forget the guy's name that was
one of the major architects behind
October 7th. They had treated him, I
think, for cancer in he was in prison in
Israel and they saved his life and then
ultimately sent him back and then he
ended up um like being one of the brains
behind the operation. And so they're
like, "Huh?" Like, was that the right
play? It was certainly the right thing
to do from a humanitarian standpoint in
that moment, but if there really are
some people that are just better at
doing this thing, better at rallying
people behind them, better at strategy
planning, etc., Then h going back to my
initial thing that killing people is
very efficient. Um should we have done
that? It's one of those hindsight's
2020. So you're caught where it's like
yeah I want to be a good person. I want
to do the right thing. Uh but there are
potential consequences to this because
there's a story I'm pretty sure this is
a real story and it's not apocryphal
that um Hitler came stumbling upon uh a
soldier on the Allied side. I think he
was American maybe British. Anyway, uh
they come face to face and
>> Hitler's basically like, "I've already
been wounded." Like, "Come on, let's
just chill." And so the guy does doesn't
shoot him
>> and lets him walk away. And it's like,
"Was it the right thing in the moment?"
Feels right.
But he ends up being Hitler. So it's
like, "Ah, that's tough."
>> Yeah. And I think that's a little bit
ironic because now you have all these,
if I was, would you take a time travel
machine to go kill murder baby Hitler?
>> Yeah. that person need to murder a
grown-up Hitler. So
>> yeah. Yeah, there's some shocking number
of soldiers, and I mean shocking, it's
something like 70% of soldiers when
faced with the enemy won't pull the
trigger.
>> That's crazy to me.
But
>> yeah,
>> supposedly true.
>> Oh, interesting. U all right, let's jump
back over to Trump and America. Um now
that we did international, these are the
people that aren't coming into the
country anymore. Um Trump is planning an
a pause on asylum and immigration full
stop from these certain countries after
the attack on the capital
>> to the US.
>> I think a long time.
>> Can you can you give any
>> We don't want We don't want those
people. We have enough problems. We
don't want those people.
>> Is there a list of
>> Well, I guess we gave you 19, right?
>> And there's probably more than that.
They
>> And then this is the list of the 19
countries. We have Cuba, Haiti, Sierra
Leon, Venezuela, Republic of the Congo,
Equatorial Guinea. Shout out to G for
that. Uh, Togo, Chad, Libya, Iran, Turk,
Mistan, Afghanistan, Laos, Aritria,
Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Bundi, and Burma.
Um, I feel like this is the same thing
he did in uh 2016, but it was the Muslim
ban then. Now it's a immigration pause
here. So, I feel like this is not
something mind-blowing. We've seen this
playbook before. But
>> to me, this is extremely logical that
you have to be extraordinarily careful
with your immigration policy. Full stop,
period, end of story through all time.
>> Um, this is exactly how you weaken your
own nation from within is you bring
people that do not assimilate.
>> We for sure want to collect the best and
brightest people from around the world,
but you want them to be the best and the
brightest. You don't want them to be
just come one come all. Yeah.
>> Um
>> the come one come all strategy can work
if you're America in like uh obviously
this is before we were a country but
like in the 1600s where it was like ah
you're probably going to die but if you
make it we know that you are good.
>> Uh that works. or in the early days when
the government was like 3% of GDP when
we didn't have entitlements certainly
not anything like what we have now and
so it was like well you're not going to
be sucking on the te because there's no
te to suck on so you're going to figure
out a way to contribute um or you're
most likely just going to go back to
your country and we don't do that
anymore now it's like we've got gigantor
teeth for people to suckle upon and we
seem to call to people like with breast
already hanging out like you know please
we welcome you. Uh so yeah it's like the
Statue of Liberty has changed to that
dress down breast out like light in the
sky. And that attracts a very different
kind of person. And when when somebody
wants a shot when they're like I can
make it anywhere. I know I can do this.
I just like put me in coach. Let me give
this a try.
>> And there's no one there to catch you if
you fall. Then it's like cool. the
people that end up making it are really
going to be the best and the brightest.
Um, but once it's a welfare state and
you invite the world, then you you are
incentivizing people to
>> not work. Yeah.
>> And that ends up being a drain in the
economy. And so there's the great line
from Charlie Mer who said, "Show me the
incentive and I'll show you the
outcome." So if the incentive is that
come here and you get free money and a
stable country and currently you're in
an unstable country and not getting
anything free like why wouldn't you?
>> So in fact it's it would make you
economically irrational to stay in your
own country if your country is
struggling if you're not living a good
life there. If the streets are dangerous
it is it is irrational of you not to
come into the stable country with a
welfare state that is inviting you in.
And unfortunately, Europe is learning
the lesson way too slowly. Thankfully,
we are learning the lesson much faster
by watching Europe partly and then we
just have a slightly different mentality
in America.
>> Um, so yeah, we're putting a pause. Now,
again, you and I have talked about this
adnauseium. People read this as a uh
statement of racism. That is the wrong
way to look at this.
>> Uh, but
>> it is very much a question of values.
So, we'll It's a smart move.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm glad you brought up the
values thing cuz I think there's
something that's missing in all this is
that the capital uh murder was a
tragedy. It was terrible. The person
responsible for it um is definitely 100%
is making a state on this policy. So, if
this is not a policy coming out of
Trump's ass, he has a reason to kind of
pull this out, too. So, I I understand
where it's coming from. That person was
an Afghan uh refugee. that person coming
through the Afghan migrant program was
in the America since 2021. There was
even on Fox News coverage that said that
he was then radicalized while within the
country.
>> So while I completely understand that
opening up the border to some people
from these other countries, we importing
people that we don't necessarily have
the right values,
>> but we do also have to talk about that
there is radicalization happening within
our borders. there are some people that
>> I would even argue some Americans that
are less American than some of these
immigrants that came over and
assimilated and
>> so it's like yes I can understand
closing the borders can help solve that
problem I do think that there's still
the bigger problem that may have
directly led to this attack that is
going unressed
>> 100%.
>> Yeah. So I I would be very sad if the
only reason that we have done this is
because uh of that shooting. Um the
reason to do this is it is simply a fact
that the way that societies work is
humans are able to cooperate in large
flexible groups based on some
superseding thing that we believe in. So
that could be country. So if everybody's
like deeply patriotic for the country
that becomes the thing that unites us.
It could be a clan. It could be a
religion. It could be a family.
Whatever. But that's how we end up
cooperating in these large flexible
groups. Religion, I think, was the
greatest invention in terms of getting
humans to cooperate in large flexible
groups without needing to know the other
person. And once you realize, oh, oh, I
get it. It's just you're making that
tent bigger and bigger. And so now it's
not, it doesn't even need to be about um
the country that you're in. It can
supersede that and become really
gigantic. And so now it's like okay if
we can agree that that's a powerful
thing that unites people what we have
just agreed upon is values is the thing
that holds people together more than
anything more than blood more than
nation states it is ah I have a way to
understand that you and I have a shared
value this is one of the reasons that
the symbolism is so powerful is I can
see you can wear a cross around your
neck and instantly I you're Christian
I'm Christian it's like now we've got a
bond so that kind of thing is really
important for us to understand in this
moment and I know that it's like one of
the memes in our community like people
will come in and I see it as Tom said
values yet or you know some of the other
ideas that I loop on but the reason that
I talk about these things endlessly is
they govern our behavior and so if if
you fail to understand that the thing
that unites humans is a value set that
can be expressed quickly what is that
I'm Christian you're Christian I'm
Muslim you're Muslim cool instant Boom.
Like all of this knowledge about who you
are, what you believe comes pouring
forward
>> whether you're inroup or outgroup. And
so if understanding that is the thing
that should prompt this. Now what
countries do you put on it? This is
where we are going to culturally have a
really hard time. We have to decide are
some groups more and or less likely to
assimilate to American values. If no,
everybody is going to be equally the
same. Okay, then it's we're going to
have a hard time because who do you say
yes to? Who do you say no to? You need
some sort of criteria. This is one of
the reasons that when I'm teaching
entrepreneurs, the fastest thing I tell
them is you have to have a northstar in
your company. You have to have a culture
in your company because it tells you the
northstar of what you're trying to
achieve. Tells you how to prioritize
things, what to say no to. And then your
culture says who you're going to hire
and who you're going to say no to. So
you have to understand like what's a yes
and what's a no. And if we can agree
that there are certain cultures that are
less likely to um adopt American values,
then that becomes a thing. Cool. This is
a values question. These are countries
that are less likely to um have people
that assimilate and that's how we say
no. But because that's largely right now
framed as a Muslim question, it gets
sticky because it feels racist.
>> And so that's where it's gonna get wild.
>> President Biden was swinging his autopin
around signing everything. Uh and
breaking news now. Trump just officially
terminated every document, pardon,
executive order, proclamation, or
memorandum signed by the autopen under
Joe Biden. Um this is a quote. any and
all documents, proclamations, executive
orders, memorandums, or contracts signed
by order of the new infamous and
unauthorized autopin within the
administration of Joseph R. Biden Jr.
are hereby no, void and of no further
force or effect. Anyone receiving
partings, commutations, or any other
legal document so signed, please divide
that said document has been fully
completely terminated, ends of no legal
effect. Thank you for your attention to
this matter. You know how mad I would be
if I had to if I got out of jail and
Trump was like psych. And then I had to
go back,
>> bro. For sure.
>> And you just let Onarco dude get off and
you about to autopay me. I would be so
pissed.
>> I'm running at that point.
>> So, yeah. God, here here's my thing with
this. Uh, as soon as I read this, I
thought of gang green.
>> When somebody has gang green, you have
to amputate. And so, you might lose your
arm, your leg, whatever, but you can't
let the gang green spread. Now the gang
green in this scenario is not the
autopen. It is not that um people in
government have done something bad. They
most certainly have and there will be
plenty of crimes to find if you want to
go after it. The gang green is lawfare.
And I am not surprised in the slightest
that
because he was gone after he is now
going after other people. Hurt people
hurt people. M uh but boy do I wish that
we had somebody in office that
understood that could stand and give the
following speech.
There's no one in American history who
has had the opposition go after him
legally harder than me. And I believe
that all of this was unjustified. I
believe you guys created novel rulings
specifically to go after me. You had
people like Leticia James that ran to
get elected by saying I'm going after
Donald Trump. Not I know what he did,
but that I will go find a thing that he
did to go after him.
>> Nobody has been persecuted like I've
been persecuted. And I'm telling you
right now that it stops here. And we
have to usher in an era of honor,
integrity, uh virtue, and let's bring
some of these things back. He clearly is
not capable of that. But Jesus, do I
want that to be the message because the
gang green is lawfare. The thing that
needs to be amputated is lawfare. Now if
you can start a new and say okay listen
that that pass [ __ ] is the pass [ __ ] and
I would talk endlessly about the fact
that the people actually running the
government during Biden's time referred
to themselves uh as the pallet bureau
which is specifically a communist group
that runs the government. So, I'm like,
"Dude, that one to me, we all know that
I have my I don't think it's weird, but
I'm sure many people map it as a weird
aversion to communism, socialism." Uh,
so by all means, discount the veracity
that I feel it, but
>> like that's crazy to me. And I still
wouldn't be going after them legally.
>> Now, you draw a line in the sand and you
say, "Don't keep [ __ ] around because
if you do something now, we're going to
come after you because we can't like let
this stuff stand." Yeah.
>> And so now it's like cool, moving
forward, everybody understands that
abide by the rules, abide by the law.
This is a new era. We're not playing
that game anymore.
But what ends up happening, the thing
that people ought to be absolutely
terrified by is this will make elections
truly existential because now Trump is
in a position where if
a Republican does not win the
presidency, they're going to go after
him again. They're already talking about
to troops. Hey guys, um just so you
know, the statute of limitations is 5
years for um following unlawful orders.
And that's going to be long a literally
a quote that would be long after Trump
has left office. So what they're trying
to communicate is the troops should be
ignoring Trump because they will be
prosecuted after. It's like I that one
enrages me because of what it does to
the entire nation and yeah that that is
just stupid and people are locked in
this uh mental battle where they are
making elections existential which will
make people want to do everything they
can to rig an election. So it's like oh
my god so dumb
>> so fact though we got to get you out of
here
>> with that we got to go. You guys are
amazing. Uh forgive we're going to be
missing this Friday. I'm going to be out
of town. December's weird for me. I'm
December is very much my family first
period. Uh starting in the new year
though, we are going to three days a
week. Three days a week, everybody. Uh
but we will be back next Wednesday. Back
at it. Thank you guys so much for
joining us. Means the world. Love you
all and we'll see you next week later.
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