Elon Musk vs Venezuela: The Cyber War You Weren’t Supposed to Know About
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Kind: captions Language: en Tensions between the US and Venezuela continue to boil. Putin says the European Union is trying to sabotage peace talks in the Russia Ukraine conflict. As corruption allegations swirl, rumors are flying that Zalinski may be forced out of office in handcuffs. And Trump has declared all Biden autopen actions null and void. Trump has also put an immigration pause on a bunch of countries after the recent capital shooting. >> We had talks over the break about bombers flying around the Caribbean. Trump shut down all the airspace. Somebody had an airspace map up. I'm going to pull it up where literally you see all the planes flying and avoiding Venezuela. >> Like things are pretty much tension. I I won't say we're kind of at the uh was it the Cuban missile crisis where everybody was kind of in the boat staring at each other. >> I don't think we're that close, but at the same time we are pretty much on the border. We reopen bases in Puerto Rico. It seems like tensions are now rising in the Caribbean. >> Yes, for sure. When you draw the comparison to what happened with Cuba during Kennedy, that's where this suddenly looks a lot more chill. >> Mhm. >> That was about the US and Russia. So, Russia rolls up, drops nuclear weapons into Cuba, which is literally a swim off the coast of Florida. So you can certainly understand how that becomes I mean quite literally the gravest threat the world has ever faced in terms of nuclear annihilation. Uh tensions running high. This is how you get the red phone between uh the US and the Kremlin so that they always had a line so that it was like hey let's not let this go ary because we're talking through AIDS. Like I want to make sure that you and I can get on a phone and say like for real what's happening what do you care about? Where do we stand? Um, so absolutely fascinating moment in history. I don't think that's what's playing out here. I don't get any of those alarm bells going off. China has backed off. Uh, Iran has backed off. Russia's backed off. Everybody's leaving Maduro isolated on this. Now, what Trump's real game is, I don't know. Like, I really thought, oh, this is clean. This is about China. Uh, do I think that China is a big part of this? 100%. Do I think that oil is a part of this? 100%. But do I also go when Trump sends out the the truth social that he did about the Dominion uh voting machines? >> And I was like, "Okay, wait, hold on. What?" Like, this was a part of the puzzle that I did not see coming. And this is where, like, listen, being on camera and talking about this stuff, you always know there's something about this that I don't know. I'm very much on the outside looking in. Especially me like a lot of these guys are um you know they're connected to Washington DC. I'm very much not. >> So for me it's trying to parse what makes sense from a geopolitical standpoint. If you look at all the pieces on the board like trying to put yourself in a position of okay I know what people are trying to do in terms of the power they want to gain or access to resources or whatever and so what do I think all this plays out as? But something like that came out of left field for me. And some of the accusations are wild. Now I This is early days. We'll see what comes out. But there are people out there saying that they've been doing Dominion machine manipulation since uh the 2008 election of Obama and that this is um like a much broader longerlasting problem that we know. Again, will that all end up being [ __ ] I don't even know how in use the Dominion machines were back then. So anyway, that'll play out in the fullness of time. But it's interesting because Trump has retweeted it. Obviously, I give it. It's taking up some of his mind share that Maduro has been involved in trying to manipulate US politics presumably for a very long time. >> Trump obviously has beef with the 2020 election. Uh, and so it felt like a big finger pointing to this guy. Basically, if you're going to mess with me, and I think that is the right way to read Trump. >> This is not an America thing in this particular instance. >> If you're going to mess with me, I'm 100% going to put the full might of the US military behind me and I'm not afraid to flex. It's interesting. So, okay. Period. That's that. Now, new idea. One of the things about Trump that I find so interesting is that he really is a strong man. He is not somebody who is posturing as like a guy that bluffs. This is part of what makes him erratic, part of what makes him dangerous, part of what makes him a problem. It's also part of how you get everybody else in the world to calm down. when you have somebody that is willing to create chaos, is willing to throw 100% tariff here, 200% tariff there, um send all of our most devastating military equipment into the Caribbean, um and if it ends up being over a voting machine, I mean, it will just all be wild. This is somebody who has just enough he creates just enough uncertainty in the minds of the people that he's negotiating with. And because he has the US economy behind him, because he has the US military behind him, you have to take that seriously. And in interviewing um Laugher from the Laugher Curve fame, thank you, by the way, for getting that guest. I loved that interview. He was the best. Yeah, he was. It was a lot of fun. And I I was a little surprised how much he and I were arguing. Uh but it was fun. All in good faith. Wonderful, wonderful exchange. Um, but anyway, while I was researching him, his sense of like part of Trump's strategy is the chaos and in the chaos he creates openings and then he exploits those openings. I don't necessarily need people to believe that Trump is brilliant enough to um create chaos in a known way, >> but that he is comfortable with chaos and then looking for okay, what openings does this create for me? Uh, it is interesting. I'm not saying that I love it. I'm not saying I'm clapping for it. I am saying I'm watching with absolute utter fascination as somebody who recognizes the way that he moves is like a CEO, not like a president. Uh, and so I recognize how when you're interfacing with certainly competitive companies >> and if you're able to create instability, if they're especially if they're trying to copy you, if they're trying to be counter punchers to you and you make it impossible them for them to figure out where you're going next, uh, that's what it feels like he's doing. So, I'll be very interested to see how this stuff plays out. I mean, some of it is nailbiting because obviously I don't want to see troops deployed. I don't want to see us firing shots. >> But at the same time, we are in it's not a power vacuum, but we're in a period where the world can sense our weakness and that emboldens people to go on the attack or whatever. I think Putin invading Ukraine is a perfect example of this. Under Biden, we were at our regional weakest. I don't know that it's the weakest we've ever been, but it was certainly a regional uh peak in weakness. And you saw how different things happened, whether it was what happened in Israel, what happened in the Ukraine. I actually don't think those things would have happened with Trump because he is um aggressive. He is unpredictable. He does have so much might behind him and he's willing to use it. >> All right, I want to jump into the voting machines part of Venezuela cuz to your point, everybody knows about the oil. Everybody has speculation about China. Everybody has speculation about the narco boats. We'll get to those things, but this one is I think is a new a new stream that I haven't necessarily pulled yet. So, um this is um Trump retweeting on truth social Johnny St. Pete and uh this is the tweet bombshell video. Elon Mus must have might have saved the 2024 election from being stolen. Benny Johnson tells the story of how Mus knew that they would that they would win the election and appears it's because they identified the overseas systems and machines that were going to to perpetrate what we saw in 2020. Now we know why Trump is raging at Venezuela. Apparently, we weren't crazy. Mus tracked down the IP addresses of the Dominion office in Serbia and rendered their computer useless before the election. Years prior in 2020, the chairman of Smartmatics holding company SGO was Mark Malik Brown. He resigned in 2020. Guess where his next job was? January 2021. The president of the Open Society Foundation. Yes, Soros's foundation. George Soros being the number one donor to the Democrats and the DNC. His right-hand man was a head of an electronic voting company called Smartmatic. And these Dominion machines may have been running Smartmatic software. According to Emerald Robinson, General Flynn flew out to meet with the Venezuela whistleblowers. Anyone else think it's odd that the Democrats are worried so relentlessly about Venezuela? Were they and the globalists running operations out of there? >> So again, early speculation, but Trump retweeted on his true social, so that's why it's kind of gaining steam u on the interwebs. >> Yeah. I mean, this is it. So the Elon involvement obviously is utterly fascinating. M >> uh if there was essentially cyber warfare going on where he's identified the computers that have supposedly been running this manipulation scheme was actually able to get in there and shut them down. >> Um that is and it's all a little horrifying. It's horrifying on a lot of levels. horrifying that it was being done obviously horrifying that you have to do this kind of like uh technological scan of the battlefield and you begin to realize oh there are cyber wars that are being fought all day every day >> um and then just insane that Elon Musk again finds himself at the center of this kind of thing for me that is somebody who is able to look at the world and see what really matters right now and to build one of the most profound companies in that space and then the power of human intelligence. >> The the thing that always drives me crazy when people go on an anti- Musk tirade about what does he actually do? Like he's just taking credit for other people's stuff. >> Just like do you know how hard it is to attract human capital like to convince people to come work for you? There has never been in human history somebody in the business world that has been able to attract the level of human talent that he's been able to attract across industries. Like people want to work for this guy. There is something utterly fascinating about someone who is >> from a work ethic standpoint is just maniacal. I mean completely unhinged working around the clock, sleeping on his desk. Thi this is at times the richest man in the world sleeping on the floor of a production facility sleeping on his desk at work like >> routinely having 11 p.m. meetings like >> 1 a.m. meetings. So, uh, there was a great story from somebody that used to work for him, quit, totally burned out, goes and works somewhere else for whatever 2 months, 3 months, and then comes back and people were like, "What are you doing coming back? Like, you were so burned out. You hated it here." And he goes, "I would rather burn out under Musk than be bored." >> Wow. And I'm just like in in all of the sort of anti- uh male aggression bias that we just went through over the last 10 or 15 years, what got lost is there is a certain type of guy. They they want to work, man. Like they want a load upon their back to try to break them and they just refuse to be broken by it and they want more and more and more so that they can prove to themselves and to others that they can really do something. He aggregates those people and he aggregates people with that mentality that are also hyper intelligent. >> And seeing him take that sort of magnifying glass of intelligence and be like, "Oh, we need to point this to destroying servers in Serbia. Say less, fam." And then he just goes and does it. Now, look, this is early. 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Just click the link in the description or go to buy raycon.com/impact theory bc to save. Order by December 15th to guarantee delivery by Christmas. And now let's get back to the show. >> U. Okay, so now let's let's take a step back. Voting machines aside, let's just kind of see where we're at right now. Um there's been some speculation in the Senate right now of trying to actually get a powers uh resolution in in Congress to vote because they think that the boat narco strikes have been um unconstitutional because you have to go through Congress to go to war. >> Um there have been 21 strikes so far that have killed at least 83 people in these drug boats going back and forth from the uh Venezuela. Um, as it states, um, Pete Hegth has, um, come under scrutiny lately because of the double strike, um, that has happened recently. So, there was a video that allegedly one of the narco boats was strike. U, they blew up the boat, but then there were some survivors in the water and they sent another bomb to just kind of wipe it out completely. >> This is him uh, talking about that during the cabinet meeting uh, yesterday. that again or do you end the problem directly by taking a lethal kinetic approach? And that's the way President Trump has authorized the War Department to look at these cartels. And I wish everybody could be in the room watching our professionals, our professionals like Mitch Bradley, Admiral Mitch Bradley and others at JOCK and SOCOM and other commanders. the deliberative process, the detail, the rigorous, the intel, the legal, the evidence-based way that we're able to with sources and methods that we can't reveal here that make sure that every one of those drug boats is tied to a designated terrorist organization. We know who's on it, what they're doing, what what they're carrying. All these white bales are not Christmas gifts from Santa. Uh this is drugs running on four motor fast boats or submarines that we've also struck. No one's fishing on a submarine. uh and I have empowered them to make that call. Now, the first couple of strikes, as you would, as any leader would want, you want to own that responsibility. So, I said, I'm going to be the one to make the call after getting all the information and make sure it's the right strike. That was September 2nd. There's a lot of intelligence that goes into that building that case and understanding that. A lot of people providing information. I watched that first strike live. Uh, as you can imagine, at the Department of War, we got a lot of things to do. So I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours whatever where all the sensitive site exploitation digitally occurs. So I moved on to my next meeting. Couple of hours later I learned that that commander had made the which he had the complete authority to do and by the way Admiral Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat. >> So that's the one where he had the he had the authority to do that. And then last one, then I'll take it up to you is uh Maduro has responded saying, "I say clearly to the world, the United States is planning to plunder Venezuelan oil. They want to seize the largest oil reserve in the world as if Venezuela were a land without people. That will not happen. Not why I'm leading this nation." So, there's all these kind of different narratives that are happening kind of surrounding Venezuela. I know when it comes to immigration sometimes you got to be fast and you know make uh you got to be fast and swift and kind of come back later and apologize for those you got to cut quick and then maybe come back and rehire people when it comes to international relationships. Are do you think we're approaching this Venezuela situation with all that swirling kind of up in the ether? >> Okay. Well, so you've put two things on the table. One, you've got the boat strikes. Yeah. >> Uh and then two, you've got Maduro. Now, I have a mental map of Maduro as a narco kingpin essentially. So, because of that mental map, I look at this kind of statement and laugh. It's like >> he's just trying to save face. >> Not just say face. All of these politicians are absolute masters at the game of propaganda. And what they understand is if I can give you a frame of reference, I can control what you look at and what you see. And uh God, one of the great missions of my life, I'm not even sure how to say this out loud, but I have realized how my own life, the quality of it has changed entirely by manipulating my own frame of reference. So my own ability to change the lens through which I view the world changes everything about the internal quality of my life. When I see other people struggle, my whole thing is trying to get them to change the internal um frame of reference they have built for themselves because simply changing the lens through which you view the world. Nothing changed in the outside world, but the lens through which you view the world changes and everything about it changes. Maduro is trying to do that, but I would say it's a negative effect. So, he's trying to reach inside of people's minds. Putin is doing the same thing. Trump is doing the same thing. Politicians want to control your frame of reference. And so from the near infinite number of options that there are in terms of how to parse the world, they try to boom instantly narrow you down to one choice in their ideal world or certainly a small handful of choices. >> Mhm. >> And once they can trap you inside of a frame of reference, they've got you. So he's trying to get everybody to see him. Oh, I'm a leader who's just standing up for my people. Like this is wild. And so when I see that, I'm like, "Oh my god, I know that that's going to sway a distressingly large number of people who will see that line and be like, "Yeah, of course." Well, any good leader, that's exactly what they would say. Now, if in reality this ends up being a uh narco kingpin who has plundered his own nation, is controlling his people so that he can sell drugs around the world because drugs are an extraordinary cash business. I mean, extraordinary, man. You can make so much money. Like, when you hear how many billions of dollars Pablo Picasso was burying, like just like out in his [ __ ] backyard in all these different houses just >> it it's insanity. So, it it is an extraordinary business that generates a ton of literal cash so that you can be outside of most of the Swift systems and all that. Like, you've just got literal cash. And so when I start putting that guy in that box and I'm like, whoa. Like if this is manipulating American elections, if this is him holding an entire nation hostage, if this is him ponying up against our biggest enemies in the world with the promise of uh oil, and for people that don't know, Venezuela has like really dirty oil. And so it is believed that they have the largest oil reserves in the world. But because it's so dirty, until recently, there was only one place that could refine that oil, and that was in Texas. Then China comes in and builds a refinery that can match what Texas is doing. So you've got the two biggest nations in the world >> fighting in the American hemisphere over the largest deposit of oil. But it needs like this special filtering and both the US and China offer the only ability to do that. And potentially you have this very corrupt guy at the center of this all asking you to believe that he's just a good guy fighting for his people. And so all of that is like this is the political game is a game of controlling what people see. >> And that part of it really bothers me. Like it really bothers me. because it works, because you get internal fighting, because we're in a populist moment where it just gives people another angle through which to tribe up and fight against each other. So that's what I look at when I see Maduro. Now, the boat strike >> is this one is going to ask America a values question in terms of what we're willing to put up with to get our way. And right now, Trump is saying, "No, you I'm going to bully these guys around. They are going to in no uncertain terms understand that I will stop with violence >> anybody trying to send drugs into this country. Now do I think drugs is both real and a cover story? Yes. So I think people really are sending drugs. I think it really does bother a lot of the people that vote for Donald Trump. Trump is going to pay attention to anything that enough of his voters care about and so he's going to take that seriously. But I also think it's the thing that he can talk about to get people on his side when in reality it's far more complicated and it has to do with voting machines and it has to do with oil and it has to do with China. >> Um, so that one I think is going to make people a lot more squeamish. And so this double strike to me is utterly fascinating. And this is where I think that people are going to really struggle with the way that my mind works because I'm like, wait, you were perfectly fine if they had all been killed with the first strike. Or maybe you weren't fine with it, but you don't feel like you have the thing to like get people mad, >> but because one of the people didn't quite die and so they hit him with another one, you've got beef with that. Like to me either you don't want to see these people drone struck or they should be able to drone strike them 57 times and it doesn't make any difference. I cannot mentally map like I look at somebody that has a problem with the second one. I'm like wait what? So that I don't understand. Now if somebody's just like we shouldn't be drone striking them. Yep. Cool. That makes all the sense in the world. I totally understand how a reasonable person comes to that conclusion. >> I do not understand even if it is international law. I do not understand how somebody comes to the conclusion that you drone stroke them once, you missed one of the guys, so you hit that guy again and people are like, "Wait, what?" Like, this is so immoral. What? So, that one I I literally can't track. So, all of the the uproar over that is confusing to me. >> Um, I definitely want to ceue up this clip now from uh President Putin who says Europe is the reason they're sabotaging the peace deal. Um, he speaks obviously in Russian. So, I'm going to give you guys my my patented translations. >> Um, this was in Moscow yesterday. They are on the side of war. Speaking about Europe. Uh, even when they try to supposedly introduce some changes to Trump's proposal, we see clearly what they are doing. All these changes are aimed at one thing, to completely block the entire peace process. by putting forward demands they are absolutely unacceptable for Russia. They understand this. By doing so, they then intend to blame Russia for the collapse of this peace process. This that is their goal. We see this clearly. We're not going to have a war with Europe. I've said, but if Europe suddenly wants to wage a war with us and starts it, we are ready right away. There can be no doubt about that. With Ukraine, we are acting in a surgical very precise manner. This is not a war in the direct modern sense of the word. >> Isn't it? >> No. If Europe suddenly decides to wage a war with us and starts it, a situation may quickly arise in which there will be no one left for us to negotiate with. That's spicy talk. I don't I feel like spicy talk. >> That's not getting enough attention, but it it's it's direct. Um, I listen I watch Professor uh Jen's uh YouTube page, predictive history. It's like this Chinese dude um in Canada. He teaches a class and he kind of talks about history and how the changes throughout the uh empires. Something he said was war nowadays is soft because war back in the day to your point was way more barbaric. We're lining up. We're we're killing everybody. Women and children are enslaved. We're taking captives, war prisoners, things like that. with drones and this precision strikes now it's like okay I'm attacking your electrical facility so that way it messes up your transportation like they're doing these tactical things and it's less of the collateral damage so I think to his point of we're being more precise Russia is not just kind of going through the front lines marching through like Napoleon or Hitler and those types of things it's a bit more nuanced with where they're striking at the pace in which they're striking >> yeah it's very true I mean if you go back far enough you start getting into some of the wars of Genghaskhan it it's unreal man. >> Uh, knock. Hey guys, we're here at the city walls. Come out or we slaughter everyone. And I do mean everyone. Uh, no. [ __ ] you. Cool. Slaughter dead. And they would kill like 60,000 people in. Dude, it's so wild. There was one battle. It was a Roman battle. I for it. Was against Hannibal maybe. And Hannibal was just like, "Cool. 60,000 dead in an afternoon." Dude, with swords. You're hacking 60,000 people to death in an afternoon. So I just I've often thought about that. Do you know how tired your arms will be? Like I got to kill another one of the [ __ ] hell, >> dude. There there have been times where I'll be sorting my TCG cards and my like shoulder will start to burn and I'm like wait I have to hack what's my portion of 60,000 people like Jesus. So uh yeah. So there's no doubt that in some ways uh this is better than that. However, we are losing thousands of people every week, >> week after week after week after week. So, the sum total, it may not happen in such a short period of time, but we just have a lot more people on planet Earth to kill at this point. And so, it it's still horrific. Okay. The part here to your point that everybody should be paying attention to and they're not is we are now in a period where you've got war, I don't care what he says, war between Russia and Ukraine. >> We've got yet another round of wild instability between Israel and Palestine. Mhm. >> Uh you've got the US deploying basically everything they have into the Caribbean uh in a showdown with um Venezuela. You've got China doing military exercises off the coast of technically Taiwan, but Japan knows what's up. >> And so Japan and China are now like really staring at each other, >> siding each other. >> If China invades Taiwan, the US and China now will have a decision to make. Uh, and now Putin is like, "Oh, Europe want a peace. Let's go." Now, that I will tell you is a bluff because he's stalled out in Ukraine. So, the reason he's like, "Oh, we're being surgical." Is like he's trying to signal, "Don't think that we can't peel off some of this and come after you guys wholesale. No problem. We're being surgical. Very limited here." Uh so there there is a level of instability and the question people need to ask is why now and what I'm putting forward is why now because America became weak and the rest of the world was like cool this is our shot and then I will refer everybody back to what I just said 10 minutes ago that countries will expand until they meet sufficient force >> and so that's precisely what you're seeing in Russia, Europe, NATO was trying to expand into Russia, which is a big part of what kicked this off in the first place. Uh, China is um certainly trying to do it through a hearts and minds strategy, but China's been trying to go the entire globe over and get everybody on board with what they're doing, get everybody on board, probably with a goldbacked yuan. So, it's like everybody's making moves to be in the best position because it has such real consequences. This is the part that I think people lose sight of. >> Why the Ukraine? Why the Ukraine? Why does the Ukraine find itself in this battle all the time? Uh and the answer is it is very fertile land. And so when you read some of the things that Hitler was saying, he was like, "Oh, bro, the Ukraine is going to be our American West, and we're going to roll into Russia." Precisely so that Germans can expand and they can like the Americans have been just pushing farther and farther west into all this virgin territory and claiming it and all of its resources for themselves and just having the sense of freedom and space. That's what we're going to give to the German people. So why Putin? The same reason. So it's like you have this extremely fertile land that also lets Russians expand. And so when you can deliver prosperity to your people, you will be welcomed as a hero. Now if you create that prosperity through international deals like Trump is trying to do, okay, that's one way or the age-old just take over their territory. And so now you can one option one kill a bunch of them and just take their stuff. Mhm. >> Uh, and so one of the most horrifying things in World War II was like, "Oh, we're in Paris. You're Jewish. Word. Sorry. Taking all of your [ __ ] like legally. So, uh, you're a Jew that owns a company." Not anymore. Uh, so we'll take that company. Thank you very much. Uh, great series about um, Dior. And so Dior's the design house is born out of World War II. his sister ends up getting put in a concentration camp. So, he's like in the thick of it. Um just in Paris as the Nazis are coming, makes the decision that he's not going to help the Nazis, which obviously is bad for business. And so, just absolutely fascinating story. And uh Koko Chanel does >> and gets very embedded with the Nazis and then how at first that's very good for her and then it all circles back around on her. But you just see how companies and houses and property were taken away and it's like that's a lot of wealth if you can confiscate it. So, um that's playbook number one. Playbook number two is you come in and hey, like we're just glad to welcome you into the Russian Federation. Welcome. We love you guys all. Uh but we are going to do things our way now. We are going to be having you ship a lot of that wheat or whatever into mainland Russia. Um, so we're we're witnessing a rebirth of the world's oldest story. Knockk knockock. Give me all your [ __ ] >> Um, yeah. If facto on that, >> we'll get back to the show in just a second, but first, let's talk about special occasions. Filet, minion, ribeye, New York strip. These used to be something you would reserve for celebrations. Most people treat premium cuts like they're luxury items reserved for birthdays and anniversaries. You walk past them at the grocery store because they're expensive and the quality is questionable. 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Now, this was kind of almost I guess the equivalent of like a uh like the impeachment vote that we have kind of on the US where the body has said we might need new ownership. We might need new leadership, but it's not necessarily he needs to get rolled out of the White House. That it's not anything lasting. Um so there's still conflicting reports on whether Zalinski's actually going to do this or not. We haven't actually got a confirmed source for this just yet. Um, is this the right time though to have turnover in the middle of a war with peace talks finally seeming like they're coming close to ending and then Putin kind of going on the offensive? Is this the time now to kind of change regimes? How do you feel about the time? >> It's a roll and there's always high risk in that because if you got somebody better that was a military genius that is uh has more respect of the men that are fighting for him. Yeah. you'd be in a much better position. But if it just creates instability, a power vacuum, and somebody comes in that doesn't know what's going on, has to be brought up to speed, may may not have learned all of the lessons that he's already learned through being through all this, doesn't have the diplomatic ties, etc., etc., uh, it could be an absolute catastrophe. And so this is why typically countries will have some sort of pause of like, hey, let's let's not do that. This person was elected for a reason. uh they happen to be the one that is in the middle of this, let this play out and then when this is all said and done, then we can deal with it. And that probably is the right move that you're just better off, whatever weaknesses they have, you're better off holding steady. But politics is a vicious game and if there are people that want you out, uh they're going to do whatever they need to do to get you out. We see that playing out in US politics as readily as we see it playing out anywhere else. So yeah, I mean this is one of the reasons why I'm like I don't understand why people want to go into politics. Everyone is your enemy. There there is only like short-term alliances when you both want the same thing. But the second you don't both want the same thing, dude, people will turn on you instantaneously. And that like that is not a good feeling. I don't like that. I would hate that. >> Yeah. I feel like that is a signal to Putin like as soon as you have elections, if elections are over at 7:00, I'm sending a bomb at 7:02. Like I feel like matter of fact I'm sending a bomb at 5:55 so that way it messes up the election process and now everybody's confused and they don't know who like I feel like that just invites chaos and more >> of course like this is that one this is why if they can kill the leader they most certainly will um this is why when Israel is going after people they're not targeting low-level grunts they're targeting like oh this is the head of uh Hamas this is the head of Hezbollah it's like then ah we've at least got a shot that you get a bad role that that leader was great man of history kind of guy and now that he's gone like you're just in a worse off position. And this is why one of the stories that they tell so often is um I forget the guy's name that was one of the major architects behind October 7th. They had treated him, I think, for cancer in he was in prison in Israel and they saved his life and then ultimately sent him back and then he ended up um like being one of the brains behind the operation. And so they're like, "Huh?" Like, was that the right play? It was certainly the right thing to do from a humanitarian standpoint in that moment, but if there really are some people that are just better at doing this thing, better at rallying people behind them, better at strategy planning, etc., Then h going back to my initial thing that killing people is very efficient. Um should we have done that? It's one of those hindsight's 2020. So you're caught where it's like yeah I want to be a good person. I want to do the right thing. Uh but there are potential consequences to this because there's a story I'm pretty sure this is a real story and it's not apocryphal that um Hitler came stumbling upon uh a soldier on the Allied side. I think he was American maybe British. Anyway, uh they come face to face and >> Hitler's basically like, "I've already been wounded." Like, "Come on, let's just chill." And so the guy does doesn't shoot him >> and lets him walk away. And it's like, "Was it the right thing in the moment?" Feels right. But he ends up being Hitler. So it's like, "Ah, that's tough." >> Yeah. And I think that's a little bit ironic because now you have all these, if I was, would you take a time travel machine to go kill murder baby Hitler? >> Yeah. that person need to murder a grown-up Hitler. So >> yeah. Yeah, there's some shocking number of soldiers, and I mean shocking, it's something like 70% of soldiers when faced with the enemy won't pull the trigger. >> That's crazy to me. But >> yeah, >> supposedly true. >> Oh, interesting. U all right, let's jump back over to Trump and America. Um now that we did international, these are the people that aren't coming into the country anymore. Um Trump is planning an a pause on asylum and immigration full stop from these certain countries after the attack on the capital >> to the US. >> I think a long time. >> Can you can you give any >> We don't want We don't want those people. We have enough problems. We don't want those people. >> Is there a list of >> Well, I guess we gave you 19, right? >> And there's probably more than that. They >> And then this is the list of the 19 countries. We have Cuba, Haiti, Sierra Leon, Venezuela, Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea. Shout out to G for that. Uh, Togo, Chad, Libya, Iran, Turk, Mistan, Afghanistan, Laos, Aritria, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Bundi, and Burma. Um, I feel like this is the same thing he did in uh 2016, but it was the Muslim ban then. Now it's a immigration pause here. So, I feel like this is not something mind-blowing. We've seen this playbook before. But >> to me, this is extremely logical that you have to be extraordinarily careful with your immigration policy. Full stop, period, end of story through all time. >> Um, this is exactly how you weaken your own nation from within is you bring people that do not assimilate. >> We for sure want to collect the best and brightest people from around the world, but you want them to be the best and the brightest. You don't want them to be just come one come all. Yeah. >> Um >> the come one come all strategy can work if you're America in like uh obviously this is before we were a country but like in the 1600s where it was like ah you're probably going to die but if you make it we know that you are good. >> Uh that works. or in the early days when the government was like 3% of GDP when we didn't have entitlements certainly not anything like what we have now and so it was like well you're not going to be sucking on the te because there's no te to suck on so you're going to figure out a way to contribute um or you're most likely just going to go back to your country and we don't do that anymore now it's like we've got gigantor teeth for people to suckle upon and we seem to call to people like with breast already hanging out like you know please we welcome you. Uh so yeah it's like the Statue of Liberty has changed to that dress down breast out like light in the sky. And that attracts a very different kind of person. And when when somebody wants a shot when they're like I can make it anywhere. I know I can do this. I just like put me in coach. Let me give this a try. >> And there's no one there to catch you if you fall. Then it's like cool. the people that end up making it are really going to be the best and the brightest. Um, but once it's a welfare state and you invite the world, then you you are incentivizing people to >> not work. Yeah. >> And that ends up being a drain in the economy. And so there's the great line from Charlie Mer who said, "Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome." So if the incentive is that come here and you get free money and a stable country and currently you're in an unstable country and not getting anything free like why wouldn't you? >> So in fact it's it would make you economically irrational to stay in your own country if your country is struggling if you're not living a good life there. If the streets are dangerous it is it is irrational of you not to come into the stable country with a welfare state that is inviting you in. And unfortunately, Europe is learning the lesson way too slowly. Thankfully, we are learning the lesson much faster by watching Europe partly and then we just have a slightly different mentality in America. >> Um, so yeah, we're putting a pause. Now, again, you and I have talked about this adnauseium. People read this as a uh statement of racism. That is the wrong way to look at this. >> Uh, but >> it is very much a question of values. So, we'll It's a smart move. >> Yeah. I'm I'm glad you brought up the values thing cuz I think there's something that's missing in all this is that the capital uh murder was a tragedy. It was terrible. The person responsible for it um is definitely 100% is making a state on this policy. So, if this is not a policy coming out of Trump's ass, he has a reason to kind of pull this out, too. So, I I understand where it's coming from. That person was an Afghan uh refugee. that person coming through the Afghan migrant program was in the America since 2021. There was even on Fox News coverage that said that he was then radicalized while within the country. >> So while I completely understand that opening up the border to some people from these other countries, we importing people that we don't necessarily have the right values, >> but we do also have to talk about that there is radicalization happening within our borders. there are some people that >> I would even argue some Americans that are less American than some of these immigrants that came over and assimilated and >> so it's like yes I can understand closing the borders can help solve that problem I do think that there's still the bigger problem that may have directly led to this attack that is going unressed >> 100%. >> Yeah. So I I would be very sad if the only reason that we have done this is because uh of that shooting. Um the reason to do this is it is simply a fact that the way that societies work is humans are able to cooperate in large flexible groups based on some superseding thing that we believe in. So that could be country. So if everybody's like deeply patriotic for the country that becomes the thing that unites us. It could be a clan. It could be a religion. It could be a family. Whatever. But that's how we end up cooperating in these large flexible groups. Religion, I think, was the greatest invention in terms of getting humans to cooperate in large flexible groups without needing to know the other person. And once you realize, oh, oh, I get it. It's just you're making that tent bigger and bigger. And so now it's not, it doesn't even need to be about um the country that you're in. It can supersede that and become really gigantic. And so now it's like okay if we can agree that that's a powerful thing that unites people what we have just agreed upon is values is the thing that holds people together more than anything more than blood more than nation states it is ah I have a way to understand that you and I have a shared value this is one of the reasons that the symbolism is so powerful is I can see you can wear a cross around your neck and instantly I you're Christian I'm Christian it's like now we've got a bond so that kind of thing is really important for us to understand in this moment and I know that it's like one of the memes in our community like people will come in and I see it as Tom said values yet or you know some of the other ideas that I loop on but the reason that I talk about these things endlessly is they govern our behavior and so if if you fail to understand that the thing that unites humans is a value set that can be expressed quickly what is that I'm Christian you're Christian I'm Muslim you're Muslim cool instant Boom. Like all of this knowledge about who you are, what you believe comes pouring forward >> whether you're inroup or outgroup. And so if understanding that is the thing that should prompt this. Now what countries do you put on it? This is where we are going to culturally have a really hard time. We have to decide are some groups more and or less likely to assimilate to American values. If no, everybody is going to be equally the same. Okay, then it's we're going to have a hard time because who do you say yes to? Who do you say no to? You need some sort of criteria. This is one of the reasons that when I'm teaching entrepreneurs, the fastest thing I tell them is you have to have a northstar in your company. You have to have a culture in your company because it tells you the northstar of what you're trying to achieve. Tells you how to prioritize things, what to say no to. And then your culture says who you're going to hire and who you're going to say no to. So you have to understand like what's a yes and what's a no. And if we can agree that there are certain cultures that are less likely to um adopt American values, then that becomes a thing. Cool. This is a values question. These are countries that are less likely to um have people that assimilate and that's how we say no. But because that's largely right now framed as a Muslim question, it gets sticky because it feels racist. >> And so that's where it's gonna get wild. >> President Biden was swinging his autopin around signing everything. Uh and breaking news now. Trump just officially terminated every document, pardon, executive order, proclamation, or memorandum signed by the autopen under Joe Biden. Um this is a quote. any and all documents, proclamations, executive orders, memorandums, or contracts signed by order of the new infamous and unauthorized autopin within the administration of Joseph R. Biden Jr. are hereby no, void and of no further force or effect. Anyone receiving partings, commutations, or any other legal document so signed, please divide that said document has been fully completely terminated, ends of no legal effect. Thank you for your attention to this matter. You know how mad I would be if I had to if I got out of jail and Trump was like psych. And then I had to go back, >> bro. For sure. >> And you just let Onarco dude get off and you about to autopay me. I would be so pissed. >> I'm running at that point. >> So, yeah. God, here here's my thing with this. Uh, as soon as I read this, I thought of gang green. >> When somebody has gang green, you have to amputate. And so, you might lose your arm, your leg, whatever, but you can't let the gang green spread. Now the gang green in this scenario is not the autopen. It is not that um people in government have done something bad. They most certainly have and there will be plenty of crimes to find if you want to go after it. The gang green is lawfare. And I am not surprised in the slightest that because he was gone after he is now going after other people. Hurt people hurt people. M uh but boy do I wish that we had somebody in office that understood that could stand and give the following speech. There's no one in American history who has had the opposition go after him legally harder than me. And I believe that all of this was unjustified. I believe you guys created novel rulings specifically to go after me. You had people like Leticia James that ran to get elected by saying I'm going after Donald Trump. Not I know what he did, but that I will go find a thing that he did to go after him. >> Nobody has been persecuted like I've been persecuted. And I'm telling you right now that it stops here. And we have to usher in an era of honor, integrity, uh virtue, and let's bring some of these things back. He clearly is not capable of that. But Jesus, do I want that to be the message because the gang green is lawfare. The thing that needs to be amputated is lawfare. Now if you can start a new and say okay listen that that pass [ __ ] is the pass [ __ ] and I would talk endlessly about the fact that the people actually running the government during Biden's time referred to themselves uh as the pallet bureau which is specifically a communist group that runs the government. So, I'm like, "Dude, that one to me, we all know that I have my I don't think it's weird, but I'm sure many people map it as a weird aversion to communism, socialism." Uh, so by all means, discount the veracity that I feel it, but >> like that's crazy to me. And I still wouldn't be going after them legally. >> Now, you draw a line in the sand and you say, "Don't keep [ _
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