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o8nZaDw_mOs • Ido Portal: Movement
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Kind: captions Language: en we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy but because they are [Music] hard in any particular Sport with well- defined rules Mastery is achieved through specialization taking a few skills and perfecting them so naturally most experts and teachers of movement are Specialists of skill sets like gymnastics hand balancing Olympic lifting capua Jiu-Jitsu Wrestling Judo and other martial arts so it's rare to come across a generalist someone who takes a holistic approach to movement my guest today is Ido portal he is a guru of movement a teacher with a large and quickly growing following as he says movement is big bigger than any specific discipline we're all human first mover second and only then Specialists I actually just finished reading a biography of um Albert Einstein by Walter isacon and the two of you have something in common a desire to uh arrive at a unified theory in his case it was a unified theory of physics you know like forces of nature in your case it's a unified theory of movement can you um tell me me the story of your journey to becoming a generalist first I'll just say that I'm no guru you know it's something that uh people use but I I have a really hard time with the word master or Guru and uh I I didn't arrive at the gospel truth or I'm not sitting on any mountains and I'm I'm on my way so people who join me as students are basically following you know in the same Journey Maybe in C certain circumstances I'm I'm a bit further ahead or sometimes I'm a bit behind but it's definitely walk along and not walk behind kind of thing yeah my journey I started as a mover first and then I became a specialist and then I went back to movement basically so uh it all started in the young age and some some Chinese martial arts developed um um into some physical Sports and games in school primary school and high school and then I met capua and I I was completely amazed basically by this this art form and uh pursued that for a good 15 years H in the middle somewhere military service and other physical um physical Pursuit and throughout changing and and developing and moving between disciplines and exploring it just kind of got the same realization again and again that there is a some thread through all this discipline something that is attracting me back and basically it was movement I realized and uh the next thing was okay I I want to learn movement I want to get better as a mover in a general way I seeked out movement teachers and went around the world and and looked around and read a lot of books and there were some people who mentioned the word movement and I went to them and you know offered myself as a student and they kept on teaching me disciplines and another isolated approach another speciality and I was very disappointed So eventually I decided okay I'm going to become that person I'm going to become the movement teacher and um the next realization after years and years of trying was it's impossible and with that I stayed basically because I realized if that's impossible it's a good goal to have in life something that will keep on moving myself and my students and anybody involved forward that's where I'm at right now I'm teaching and uh learning moving around and trying to trying to gain some more knowledge about this impossible task yes so you're still yourself or forever a student I'll prefer I prefer to be a student any day of the week than a teacher um but um being a teacher is part of human culture we are all teachers we we teach all the time but whether you want it or not somebody asks you for direction in the street you become the teacher H you have a child he looks at you you're a teacher practicing teaching and and practicing to the student the discipleship both of them are extremely important for your development as a M what is the price of specialization what do we lose when we specialize we lose Humanity first and foremost as humans we we evolved to become humans as generalist we are the most generalist of all animals we're able to imitate the ape and and imitate the tiger and and we can hold our breath on the water and we can do everything just a tiny bit we can't really run very fast we can't really fight very well we can't you know climb as as good as other animals but we can do the most complex and generalized tasks out of all animals and no animal even come close so speciality the price is Humanity the price is your happiness the price is your fulfillment as a human being it's deep it's it's philosophical but that's that's who we are do you think there is some beauty and fulfillment and some value in specialization in becoming the best at a very specific movement at a particular sport giving your body to you know dedicating it to that sport that's an interesting thing because as a human race we benefited tremendously from the work of specialist but those specialist suffered that's a very very important point it's like without specialist we would never be here we would never be Skyping right now on this computer and and you know wearing these t-shirts and all kinds of stuff but those Specialists those human beings suffered the result of their highly specialized nature and we become more and more specialized there is a move towards being generalist again in the last few years maybe the last decade there is a bit more talk about that but definitely we are also still uing highly specialized Fields if I make a joke in in my workshop and I say if nowadays you go to a if you you break your you know you break your hand you go to a hand specialist orthopedic surgeon in five or 10 years you'll go to a leftand specialist and the most evident problem is also our leaders who are ex specialist but now they're required to be generalist leaders of a lot of stuff and they're shitty leaders yeah we we keep on having the same problems again and again because they are ex specialist whether it's a lawyer or a military person or an economist these are not a specialities that allow you the full grasp of running a country yeah I think I think you put it beautifully that uh in my specialization my lead to Innovation but you lose the humanity M what do you find is um the most underdeveloped range of motion in athletes like what movement uh is most restricted in uh high level Athletes In your experience is there one that stands out shoulders uh any particular other joints well it's it all depends on their specialty of course and habits the shoulder the glenohumeral joint is the most hypermobile joint in the body even when it's restricted it still offers tremendous range of motion compared to other areas but when it's restricted even if it's just a little bit it can cause huge problems because we are dependent on that range of motion and Mobility around the glal joint and the simple reason is because with the hands humans manipulate yes that's what we're meant to do with our hands and we need that complexity around the scapula it's been a few years since I've said it first that the scapula craves complexity but this this complexity around the scapula and range of motion is so important across the board I've read of your concept of isolate integrate and U improvise can you describe the role of improvisation in movement any profession any speciality should arrive at improvisation in the top uh tier the top level whether you play the violin or or you know you box you you're going to reach improvisation improvisation Above All Is The Human Condition it's the human the human ability the highest form of living is improvisation you improvise basically life is improvisation you're born you die and in between you improvise a shitload of improvisation movement is no different the thing is people started to isolate concept and some people went the next level and integrated them they present themselves as improvisation but actually they're cheating people it's just a bit more integration yet it's just another integration improvisation open improvisation real improvisation as we call it that's very rare and that's the most enjoyable State it's also called The Zone it's also called the tunnel you just experience this beautiful thing to be empty just to let things happen through you as Bruce Lee said I don't hit it hits it just happens you know and that is improv that's what you need to do with movement if you Aspire for the highest things I like how a guy on Reddit described you as Ido portal may not be the nicest guy in the world but he's a great coach so that nicest guy part I come from the wrestling world where the goal of a good coach and a good program is to basically make you quit to break you there's zero patience for people who don't want to put in the work to work hard do you find that tough love is the best approach to coaching people whatever their level of ability no not necessarily I I don't like the term tough love because it kind of assumes that its importance is itself it's not an enough for me it's like that's how that's the best way why that's the best way but on the other hand I don't think people are made of sugar and I really believe that we've lost a bit sight of you know how resilient we are and another is H people don't like the truth you know it's just dishonesty is above all so when people describe me as tough l it's not because I believe in tough 100% of the people who has been who have had issues with me on a personal level or through coaching are people who couldn't accept criticism what I offered you know took it personally weren't able to deal with it Etc I can't even you know in my head find one example of a person I've been working with who received the criticism work with it and still complained but it's always these complainers and who fucking cares complain first and do nothing yes yeah yeah you know it's like when you go mainstream as we've went to a certain level you have to deal with it because I'm not operating my Elite unit my special op unit anymore now it's an army and I need to accept the fact that I'm going to meet a lot of slackers a lot of fucking point deers and all kinds of you know the they don't want to work they want to talk about it they want to do this they want to do that they don't want to hear the truth they don't want to accept criticism or hear how much they suck and I just don't do that so you know I I'll have to accept the fact that from now from now and again you know I'll have this issue and I'm sure it will continue you've traveled all all over the world you think there's a difference in this aspect in attitudes in the United States and Israel and other countries big time of course big time yeah there are many countries where I don't have this issue or very rarely we have a word in in Hebrew it actually it comes from German I think or yish it it says tless it's like down to it you know the heart of it tless people are people who are like no bullshit you know directly tell me as it is and this tless it it exists in certain cultures in other cultures it's a lot of chitchat and walk around and you know I didn't know how to cheat chat a few days ago one of my student told me you know I can't cheat chat it's exactly how I felt you know when I first came out of Israel started to teach around it was Russia thank God and that was so similar to um where I come from in many ways so no problem but then when I went to the US or Canada I had a lot of issues with the chi chat with politically correct and walking around the bush and don't give it to me too hard harly You Know cover it with a lot of sponges around it soften the Heat and uh yeah it's definitely different between various countries and I need nowadays I need filters which are my my my student my top students who are helping me teach and some of them are great filters in and in certain countries they'll they'll do much better than me what does perfect practice look like for you so do you believe in the value maybe this applies more to specialized sports but uh like I I Come From Russia actually and from the wrestling world where repetition you know putting in 10 50,000 100,000 repetitions on a specific movement is is how you achieve success do you believe in the value of that repetition even for a generalist framework repetition is the mother of skill yes there have been those that corrected and said perfect repetition is the mother of skill well those who usually say it are those who don't achieve Heights usually usually so I'll be very Frank again I'll be very extremely honest a lot of people talk about perfect perfect perfect but but life is not perfect itself our surroundings are not perfect and when I practice and when I move it's never under perfect conditions it's never with the right optimal blood sugar level and under the the specific you know height of I don't know what and and riding the wave of super compensation in the perfect way and usually when people try to adhere to that Concept in a perfect way they end up falling off the wagon on the other side don't be don't be stupid don't just drill yourself into the wall and lose sight of everything it's not black and white the truth is somewhere in between and it varies between people for me after 17 years teaching 18 years now teaching moving seeing people the hardest workers are usually the elite performers of course some of them are carrying a certain Talent or this or that but it's always with very dedicated practice yes they have built up that work Capac capity through that dedicated practice and they can then move that ability to other disciplines true in the grappling world I'm not sure how much you're aware of it but Marcel Garcia is one of the greats and he believes boldly against the status quo I think that you should only train Jiu-Jitsu so his sport Jiu-Jitsu and not do anything else so to achieve success train only that but the majority of other athletes in the sport believe that you should do strength and conditioning programs you know around that so they at least move slightly towards the more generalist framework what do you think do you think there's value for the generalist mindset for like an elite athlete or should they just focus on their sport to some level to some level speciality can can reach a plateau because of lack of General base of the pyramid in some cases but it's not a very high level of you know gen generalism nowadays you're you're practicing against specialist and they devote more and more time to this speciality when you're doing other stuff so it's a complex riddle you know and and to each case his own but I'll tell you something else when you reach the top of your field like Marcelo Garcia did in BJJ you stop being inspired by your own scene you can't gain inspiration knowledge and motivation from your own scene because you are the leader you're on top of the mountain you have nowhere else to climb so what do you do you look to other scenes and that's where it's really really valuable to become a bit more generalized yes you mentioned an interview related to that a very interesting point that many people in the US in particular focus on learning more than doing so Focus too much on acquiring knowledge versus using that knowledge do you struggle with this yourself like how do you approach learning new things versus putting more time into uh old things that you've already mastered it's good question it's it's not only a us thing or a North American thing it's generally all across the globe although there are more practical people and less practical people you know and each country has his own orientation habits you know characteristics but it's it's a good question you need to be it's kind of being super intelligent and oriented towards the information but then have this dumbed down practical mind it's like okay now I need to work you know and having a balance across that and that's probably that probably means that you know a certain IQ for example will start to work against you in certain fields and vice versa so when you come too much you know as the Chinese say the man who lives inside his head you you you start to have this issue you know you you have a thirst for information great thirst but information is toxic it's exactly like water water is toxic as well almost all compounds are toxic and then we drink we drink we drink we kill ourselves we kill the process and the the knowledge it turns against us and um that's a serious problem and that's the problem of the age of misinformation that we live in it's not only that the knowledge is toxic even when it's good knowledge now we also have bad knowledge mostly bad knowledge mostly shitty advice the combination is little and just people become paralyzed or just you know move from link to link to link with a you know glazy eyes and just never actually do anything yes I know you Advocate building a huge work capacity so how many hours a day do you think this is also a debate for Specialists how many hours a day do you think is the most a person can train movement intelligently before it becomes not sustainable before their mind becomes uninspired maybe as you said 24 hours 24 hours 24 hours a day there is a choreographer in Israel very known choreog graer called doad Narin he says when you wake up in the morning in bed Between the Sheets you can you can practice movement and and he's not talking about with your partner yeah so even there you can practice you know breathing moving it's it's all the time around you but serious practice you know practice oriented that you know repetition and success and building skill and moving from isolation to integration to improvisation in most disciplines it's around 6 to 8 hours a day some people go more and reach even the 10hour mark and I've done that for periods of time in the military you go even further than that other disciplines require less and and it's also a highly individual thing H so let's say even within the sports of gymnastics you have um a woman like an nasty who trains 8 hours a day and next to her and the same team also winning gold medals in the same level more or less you have Sean Johnson training three hours a day and she reached the top of her field gold medal in the Olympics so how highly individual this is very rare to see this three hour gold medal thing but definitely it exists the difference there be mental so the question I have is out of the various elements like mind breathing you developing muscular strength or joints which is the biggest challenge to master as a student of movement highly individual it depends on the person depends on his orientation some people never require any form of mental training for example or psychological training especially in fields um like sports and and team sports is so so that aspect is covered they're winners they're oriented they're focused you know and um other people require help in that regard some people have great difficulty developing mobility and just the nervous system is panicked it holds on it protects them too much other people are hypermobile and have a difficulty creating tonis and and strength and that is a great challenge for them other people are you know great complex Learners they can they can coordinate complex actions and learn movement very quickly While others are highly limited so it's very individual so that process of learning that journey is individual to everyone so how does one take that Journey just listen to your own body no no you can listen to your body until tomorrow but yeah you're not hearing anything you know you're not hearing anything you need to learn you need to create a relationship with your body and you need the help of of teachers that's there is only you know a lot of people saying know I'll do it myself then you deny Collective knowledge the most powerful knowledge that mankind holds you know because we are the only animal that have Collective knowledge we've been able to move knowledge across generations and that that's how we have reached space build the internet you know do all these crazy surgeries and and you know solve you know genetic issues and Etc you're not going to do it by yourself you you are just one small person and we have collected knowledge Generations upon Generations so listen to your body that's nice to say most people don't hear shit it's completely silent and um you need to start to decipher the signals that the body gives you and that goes through a practice and learning discipleship and exploring a lot of different different stuff and it's a highly individual thing nowadays we we don't have so much any anymore this Mentor student or or teacher disciple relationship but I I really believe in that I wouldn't be here without my mentor and my teachers the shoulders of giants that lifted me up I still believe in it in in a way there is no other way yeah on that do you think that training and learning movement for the majority of the time is a fundamentally solitary activity or do we gain from like the presence of others so when you when you think of movement when you're training uh is most of your training like the repetitions done alone or with others both I I've trained years you know alone and with my students and I spend large periods of time alone just training alone but I also spend a lot of time being in a community and movement is the best reason for gathering around in a community and you know people for example nowadays they go do CrossFit or they do yoga or whatever and then they have they're yoga friends and they have the real friends that that's bullshit you know your yoga friends can be your real friends because we've been gathering around movement since the age of time creating communities around movement around hunting Gathering dancing around the fire we've been moving together nowadays I can recommend move with your loved ones moved with the people around you you know you join a BJJ Club it's a community you know you go there you meet you you move around you go to a Capa Club it's a tribe you go to a CrossFit gym it's a community you go to yoga it's a community you can move with your children you can move with your dog in the park and it's important to move together but it can also be done alone and some things are better done alone and some things are better done together how do you think movement changes from solo movement you know that that whole p pattern of movement where you're moving alone versus the pattern of movement where there's two people either working together or against each other so together is like dancing partner dancing and against each other is like wrestling or Jiu-Jitsu do you think the principles of movement are different for when it's two people versus one person is this a whole another world first they spend more time moving W with others against others in martial art because I spent most of my life in martial art arts and less time exploring stuff alone but definitely there are some Concepts that still exist like the quality of movement how you organize your body in space yes not in relation to the partner only but first a BJJ practitioner or or a standup fighter he needs to organize his body in relation to space first and then in relation to the partner as well so some of the concepts exist in both While others are very different and and you can train alone all all your life when somebody else is in the equation it's going to change the game completely a major reason why we are under the fight laboratory we've departed in reality from a lot of traditional martial arts and the delusions of training alone and doing forms and and repetitive you know movements alone and then he it's a shit storm and you you can't apply anything and you you you don't have any live practice and now we see that um definitely in the fight game H the practices that stayed very real stayed very dirty in a way but very real they are the ones who are providing tools for the chaotic environment of a fight terms of injury how do you treat recover and work around injury H injuries are a certainty they're not a they're not a probability injuries and diseases they are also required as Nasim Talib one of my biggest Inspirations these days a great philosopher in order to to anti fragilized enjoy volatility you must be able to grow from this stuff and so first I I said I said it before and I'll say it again I injure my students this happens and I can do anything beneficial without it and basically we all get injured constantly on a micro level macro level it's part of our Lives of course we don't want to push into meaningless injury and we want to be able to grow from it and and and basically develop from it how do you train around it how do you train around it it's a hard question it it involves a lot of stuff first I'm a big believer in movement as a therapeutic tool movement itself if it offers you adaptation and it does it's the way out not lack of movement rest I don't believe in rest I believe in moving which means when I'm resting I might help on the short term with certain aspects of the injury but at the same time I'm creating a new problem because the ad the adapt the Adaptive process is taking me somewhere else I'm not recovering towards movement I'm recovering towards no movement yes so we have a a problem here now in some cases you must rest and then deal with the consequences later but in most cases there is a better approach than just resting and that's that requires a lot more taking responsibility which doctors don't believe in your ability to take responsibility for yourself to be intelligent and to know the amounts and the levels and that requires some some form of knowledge and experience and most people can't be trusted with it so we offer them you know this advice of like just rest rest it stop yeah but but definitely after years and years of working with people and and taking them through crazy injuries you my right hand odelia she she went through a car accident she lost a kidney she broke her back she went through three knee surgeries which my sister performed by the way nowadays she she can move like few people I know on this planet and and just the re the the answer was always movement movement going back into movement beautiful continue move continue to move yeah don't move stupidly don't don't hurt yourself but that's an obvious no I guess not because when I say these things people write a fucking comment the butt the butt people you know yeah but you're going to injure yourself yeah genius don't don't go into the injury and and again deteriorate the the escalate the situation of course not you must move around it and you must be smart in the way that you allow adaptation to take you out like a wave you need to ride a wave of adaptation out of the out of the problem and that's tricky we know and that's something that we need to educate people on and we need to believe in people's intelligence and ability to take this responsibility in China they they still have in some areas and they used to have bone Setters they didn't put you in a cast you broke your hand or they they did it through bone setting and yeah they didn't have x-ray so that's a lot more complex to do and not as successful as nowadays but having said that they did achieve amazing rates of recovery because these reps that they use and the process allows some form of movement and that creates an adaptation now take an arm a healthy arm your right arm put it in a cast for six months take down the cast what do you see y the arm is basically moving towards death yes it's Gotten Good at not moving the arm is gray you have weird hairs growing out of it it stinks it really smells and looks like death because movement is life no movement death we know that we like to just kill your arm a tiny bit so the the the so the bones can reform together and then will bring it back to life that's one approach but in other cases you can maintain the life and the demands on the tissue safely enough at the same time allow the recovery to happen yes and diet what are some Diet principles you follow well diet is very individual thing I've been personally following a Paleolithic a caveman diet for a long time a long before it was called the paleo diet and and since 1997 or even 96 I've been doing this for a long time I feel great on it still you know growing older and older and functioning only better and being able to sustain maintain improve but is very very individual there is a lot of exploration to be done there what you can withstand how resilient is your system yes nowadays there is a new movement towards not improving the fuel sources not improving the quality and the quantities of the food but actually making the system more resilient MH so it's able to basically withstand any almost any quality and source and that's where we have been lacking and we've been neglecting this area and that's something that um I believe is the latest Innovation although it's still highly misunderstood and a lot of a lot of folks are abusing this concept and giving really poor advice just to be different just to say I'm not the Paleo guy you know so that's that's a a small addition that will get bigger and bigger I think so it's almost like uh how you recommend in movement to go outside of quote unquote proper alignment this is kind of the diet version of that is uh going outside of some kind of proper framework of diet to some level but that's that was an obvious thing you know always right the problem is it's not enough because it's more what I'm suggesting with movement to to go outside of the proper alignment it creates an adaptation but what if that adaptation cannot happen for example a Celiac disease person you'll expose him to gluten and he'll have terrible consequences now maybe if you can minimize enough the amounts and the dosages you can actually train him out of celiac to some level but that adaptation is not going to last very very far down the road he's going to get some gains and then he's going to Plateau but what if you could take that celic disease person put him in the garage fix his mechanisms change his tires change his engine you know oil him up everything and then put him back on the track as a new animal and that that is where you a lot of stuff is happening nowadays so the genetic part of it and the gut biome um our digestive tract that is so so complex and and we discover that you know we live in symbiosis with all these microorganisms that just are all over our skin inside of us and we live in combination with them and that's how you see some dudes in Brazil and in Russia walking around with you know 5% body fat eating one cracker for breakfast one cracker for dinner and you know training BJJ all day long high performance fueling with cocacola and then at the same time you see people doing everything almost perfectly and still having poor poor performance and inability and they gain weight with any you know extra calorie or macronutrient that they brought in because their system is different and it's not only about genetics it's more about epigenetics and it's more about what kind of system besides your own DNA what about these organisms that are supposed to help you and and live in symbiosis with you what kind of a system do you have there and that's just two areas and I think it's going to get it's going to expand more and more and more and we're going to realize that there is a lot to learn there do you think technology and science is ultimately a positive force for um you know you look at um movement as as an element of our Humanity do you think technology is taking Humanity away or it's adding to it I'm not smart enough to answer you that man yeah it's it's a big question you know it's a I have no idea it's it's just it's a huge question and I think we're going to struggle with that question for many generations to come still it's definitely created a lot of positive stuff but also brought tremendous suffering and problems and perhaps will be the you know the end of us so technology might have been you know the most terrible thing that ever happened to us who knows yes on that beautiful note how can people join the Ido portal movement say do you have a website at EOP portal.com yeah EO portal um Facebook page we on Facebook you can find us on Facebook the Ido portal methodo portal Ido p t you you can join the movement culture on our website and and that will lead to some updates coming up soon you have a beautiful website by the way amazing thank you very much thank you very much I've been very fortunate to have aou great team around me that helped me with that so I I saw that you posted a couple of Tom weight songs and and even a Bukowski reference on your Facebook page and I immediately understood something that I think only another fan or maybe I should say student of weights and Bowski can understand you don't shy away from the strange in the profound wherever you can find it maybe that's how one way to put it is there a Tom weight song that you find yourself returning too often in your life so many man so many it's just Tom way you know I I can barely listen to anything else frankly it's been a real issue and Tom Tom weights is his discography is like it's a lifetime of a of discoveries I it's been accompanying me for years now it's not it's not you know something you go through very quickly and I've spent a lot of time on Al for example and yeah just so much stuff so much stuff you always discover also you know I I find that this this weirdness this this Ecentric part of of things it's so important it's the only thing really that can be you in many ways because as a culture we're so blend we're becoming this one thing you know like you walk around in London it looks exactly like Hong Kong it looks exactly like Tokyo it looks exactly like you know Sydney and we have this like huge human thing going on which is great and we communicate very easily but then we lost a lot on our our own stuff there is only one Tom weights you know because of his Ecentric part because of his you know this this weird genius and that's why it's so beautiful to me and um I try not to not to shy away from my own essent ific side and when I was younger I I definitely hit that part more and you know you know guarded and tried tried to be to fit in but that's definitely an important thing I think so you recommend we cultivate the weird yeah yeah cultivating the weird is cultivating yourself because that that's truly you you know everybody's weird everybody there is no Homer Simpson you know and everybody has this part everything has everybody has this interesting stuff that's what also interests me when I teach I want to see that weird you know I want to see that weird in your movement I want to see that weird than you and that then I really met you but most people they hide it yes and they don't allow and they put this perfect picture but it's I'm not stupid I know it's not perfect you know so just allow the weirdness to come out I think it's it's a great lesson yeah from from weights and and bukovski as well well so if you don't mind I'm going to torture you with something I would like to close by reading a bukovski poem roll the dice I'm going to force you to listen to it go ahead if you're going to try go all the way otherwise don't even start this could mean losing girlfriends wives relatives jobs maybe your mind it could mean not eating for three or 4 days it could mean freezing on a park bench it could mean jail it could mean derision it could mean mockery isolation isolation is the gift all the others are a test of your endurance of how much you really want to do it and you'll do it despite rejection and the worst odds and it will be better than anything else you can imagine if you're going to try go all the way there's no other feeling like that you will be alone with the gods and the Knights will flame with fire you will ride life straight to perfect laughter is the only good fight there is amen thanks EO thanks for talking today man thank you so much man appreciate it