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The following is a conversation with
Yay, the legendary artist, producer, and
designer formerly known as Kanye West on
this the Lex Freedman podcast.
Based off of our connection and just you
being a friend, I need to show you
my two tech companies and get your
perspective on it. Cuz now I have
friends that can give perspective. Like
when I would work on albums, I had other
friends that worked on albums and they
would give me their perspectives on it.
You want to do this? We are doing it.
This is part of it. This is part of it.
Absolutely. All right. Beautiful. Oh,
well, I wanted to finish. The thing is,
okay, you're going to ask me different
questions, but I'm about growing and
building and bringing the idea to life.
So, when I see you, I say, "Oh, this guy
understands how to hire engineers."
Where I'm coming from, coming from
Hollywood, coming from press, coming
from media. all of the guys, you know,
that so many of the guys that have been
like voices and faces and talking heads
or whatever, have not understood how to
engineer product. And that's the reason
why I was able to jump past everyone in
the entertainment field and become um,
you know, whatever the net worth is, 11
billion. I'm going to stop putting the
whole black thing on my worth. like
let's just see where I am on the scale
of life because that's a copout for me
to say richest black guy of all time
because that's feeding into the same,
you know, trauma economy that Black
Lives Matter feeds into. That's why I
love and respect engineers. That's the
only thing that we really need to teach
in school is engineering. We don't need
to teach history. We don't need to teach
anything that is subjective. It needs to
only be engineering taught in school and
everything else needs to be recess.
Nothing that all any force subjective
information is just to weaken and
indoctrinate
our species. And that's what schools do
now. As an engineer, I love hearing you
say that, but to push back, history is
not the interpretation of history might
be subjective, but history has some
facts and they're useful to give a
grounding to the way you do engineering.
I don't 100% believe in anything any
concept of the future or any concept of
history because history was just written
by the victors. Yeah, that's so if I see
stuff happen on the day that later that
day is reported wrong. So, how wrong is
something reported a thousand years ago?
And why would we argue about something
that's not in the now? Because that's
the only thing that everyone can agree
upon is that it is now right now. Yeah.
You try not to make the mistakes of the
past. That's the usefulness of history.
The limited usefulness of history. The
biggest mistake from the past that we
keep making is looking at the past too
much. Giving too much value to the past.
Too much value to the past. We are now.
We are now. We are here. We are one
species. We are one race. We're here.
And it's time. And the leadership is
changing because you have Elon as a
leader. Yay. As a leader. And we are the
top leaders. We're more influential than
the presidents. So you're a human being
with engineering challenges before you
with a stunt player with parlor.
What's the hardest thing in front of you
on the engineering front? That's the
first sentence that any of our species
needs to hear when they're born. You are
a human being with engineering
challenges and I consider consider
challenges to be opportunities in front
of you. Literally like let me see a
piece. I need to write that down. That's
the beginning of our new species
constitution.
I'm gonna do the p paper like this wide.
I'll put it in wide screen. This this
for Rididley. Um uh you
are
no let me like you are
a
being
with
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opportunities.
or challenges opportunities.
I'm sorry I don't spell as good as John
Legend.
Opportunities
and
before you.
I like the before because it can mean
actually can mean forward or before you.
This right here, I've always said I'm
the top five writer in human existence,
but this like this right here is pushing
me to like number four or number three.
It's a good because who would you say is
the top? It's top writer in human
existence. We know who it is. That's
subjective. Who's that? It's factual
though. It's like, okay, who's the top
person in tech history? It's not
subjective.
Wow. There's a non-subjective
answer to both of those. Both of those
people have influenced
30%
of our existence. So the influence is a
is the main metric of greatness. Okay.
One person 30% of our language was the
English language was written by them.
The other person 30% of the products we
used was led by them. So of our language
written by Mo Shakespeare and then the
product product. Look look look Steve
Jobs. Yeah.
You put Steve above like Elons's of the
world because Steve is a designer, not
he's a designer and engineer, but he's a
designer. He's a visionary in the design
space. Well, I would lean to him because
I'm not an engineer, right? So, I'm more
like then you're an engineer. If if
Steve is an engineer, you're an engineer
essentially. He's a cultural engineer.
Like the people who run the emotions of
the world and run the world off of
people's emotions right now are uh
social engineers. And social engineering
is so important like like um city
design. There's a fancier word for that.
Um, but I was uh I was in Oxner last
night to see Anthony Jesselik. Mhm. And
I got to find out what his opening joke
was because I'm doing interviews and I'm
thinking I'm funny and I like that he
said he just kept on saying 20 year
annivers
and his opening joke was so high level.
I realized that I wasn't funny. I
realized that this dude is a
professional at what he does and so many
things are subjective. I always talk
about this. It's like, you know, people
are arguing like is Emily Ratikowski the
hottest, you know, person and I'm like
that's such a subjective thing, but like
if you go and shoot three-pointers with
Steph Curry, it's not subjective, right?
Or if you go and compare bank accounts
with Elon, it's not subjective. And
another thing that's not subjective,
porn.
What about it? Dick size. It's not
subjective. You can measure.
But porn is more about uh more than just
dick size and greatness is more than the
size of the bank account, right? So
there's a subject. Greatness is
subjective though, right? So you do do
you care about the stuff that's
objective or subjective more?
Because greatness to me is what matters.
The bank account comes and goes.
The impact on our society, like you
said, social engineering, the impact on
the collective intelligence of our
species, that what's permeates
throughout the rest of time. I like what
you said. The impact
I'm taking notes. How did you would you
say the impact collective intelligence
of our species? The impact on the
collective
and
when Yay is writing down the words that
came out of my dumb mouth, I have made
it in life.
There's a lot of people that have kind
of like sit through sat through I wanted
to wear a different color hoodie cuz I
was just tired of seeing this hoodie in
all the interviews and
there's a lot of kids that are with me.
They see what I'm saying. Yeah. And they
had to sit through all of the muck of
all the previous interviews to get to
this. Every interview has been just an
emotional,
it's just like been an argument up to
this point. This is the first of
this is the next frontier of where our
species is going to head. It starts
here. It starts with you, Lex. So, this
is the first time I heard you say the
word engineering at least so many times,
which I love hearing. So this is where
you're at. You're like that newborn.
You're a being with engineering
opportunities. Yeah. And we're all a
newborn cuz in Christianity we say born
again. We're all newborns and everyone
can uh everyone shall I like the word
can. Uh shell. The only thing about
shell is like it kind of dictates and
can kind of kind of let people off the
hook. So, I haven't found the perfect
post Shakespeare and post Steve Jobs and
post Elon and post Yay and post Drake
way to communicate this. Um,
but we update and we do and what the
current media structure. No, it's not
actually nothing that's holding us.
There's nothing actually holding us back
because I'm still alive. I'm still
alive. Like they could have killed me
at, you know, George Bush don't care
about black people. They could have
killed me at Beyonce had the best video,
but we're here now. So, we just keep on
leaning and leaning and leaning. And
there's these things where I just think
about, you know, there'll be times when
I'm at war
and
every now and then when the when the
bomb stop going off and all the
headlines and the smearing and all that
stuff going off, I think about my family
and I'll think about Kim and I think
about how, you know, King Koopa has her
in the castle right now and just on uh
Mario Brothers, you know how it is. just
keep go for the princess and you get to
this level and it's like
I'm like I sung the song wrong. Right.
And then they take the princess again.
Which one are you? Mario. Yeah.
What's your uh favorite thing? The thing
you love the most about Kim from a Mario
perspective and the princess
looking back.
Was there a moment? She's definitely my
favorite of all time. Yeah. Was there a
moment that you know like that catches
you off guard and you say, "I love this
human being."
Yeah. I mean,
it's just the the DNA is like she's a
mix of Rob and Chris.
Can you explain? I mean that's like a
really high pool right there.
Those are like two geniuses.
So okay. So like the entire of history
of uh evolution of the human species
created this DNA that created this
being. There's a life there. There's a
set of memories in the history that
brought you together and you're like
damn I like this DNA.
Yeah. And certain people have just like
high DNA. Ivanka Trump has high DNA,
you know. It's like, how's your DNA?
Pretty good. Uh I I think we've seen
that. It's been proven. I mean, but look
at my look at my mom and look at my dad.
You know, me and my dad have a water
purification center in the DR
uh right now. And my my dad is the
original Steve Jobs. and he was blocked
by people around him and people were
using him and taking advantage and you
know not believing in his vision. He's
my dad's the educated version of Yay.
What'd you learn about life from your
dad?
And my dad got girls too. But those are
small details. That's a big detail.
Being that I found my dad's, you know,
Playboy when I was 5 years old, it it it
greatly affected my motivation. Yeah.
All right. So that's part of the engine
that drives. Yay. Absolutely. I remember
when Forel was first in all the videos
and my girl was like, uh, girls like
Forel and I was like, I want girls to
like me, too. Funny that that's behind
all the ambition, all the drive. That's
how we make people. It's how people are
made. It's the desire to be loved.
Is that at the individual level just
being noticed and also at the societal
level of scale? Well, now
I've I've gone past I'm like at that
place where Nikolai Tesla was uh later
into his career where it wasn't about
being loved. It wasn't about sitting at
the dinner parties next to Anna Winter
and stuff. It was about getting the idea
across. So, I have these
cells
that are very and I just keep on saying
really Scott, but really Scott has a
special
anointing. It isn't just sci-fi what
he's doing. There's something in there
just like George Lucas.
There's something different that's
there.
So,
what are you drawing? I'm drawing these
new living cells that we will exist in
and this is over.
Okay, let's do like
I don't like talking about money because
like man-made money anyway is like four
quadrillion
respected dollars and then you have
other forms of currency. Of course,
social currency is super important right
now, but this is a drawing
and it's at a pretty good place.
Now, this be 40,000 square ft. I want to
start just talking in meters. I just
think we should go to anything to
restore the Tower of Basil. Like they
said when the uh
I'm just draw a person here for scale.
Uh yeah, that would help. Okay.
What do you think of that? Look at my
person. See the scale in this room? All
right. So, wait. The dot is the person.
Yeah. I'm saying it's 40,000 square ft.
But that would be like other parts of
the cell. Okay. So, what it's a screen.
It doesn't go all the all the way to the
top. And it's one hole for light, but
the water and the light and air all come
in from the top. So, that's like
like the mouth. And then this is the
belly button. We're God's iPhone. We're
his greatest creation.
So this is all connected. These are all
connected. Yes. I'm drawing how these
other cells go next to each other.
What's the vision here?
Happiness. Then we talk about like
what's the motivation? Like yeah,
there's a motivation somewhere in the
back of my mind of
my family.
And
if it's like where Moses smite the rock
and God didn't allow him to
get to the promised land because the
promised land is family. That is the
promis. That is earth. I mean that is
heaven on earth is family. Family is
heaven. That's the promised land. And
for your family to be together. Uh so
say I smite the rock and God doesn't let
me have my family back. My mission in
life is still to
promote families at all costs and make
famil family's existence easier. So you
take this thing then you put localized a
localized farm say if it's in community
that we we do localized growing and then
we partner with big farmer and on and
say hey you're actually going to make
more money by making better food cuz at
the end of the day you want money right
now it's like everyone knows that
between the pesticides and between the
medical industry and especially America
that we're keeping people sick and we
know that McDonald's makes food that
kills people and you you know, Coca-Cola
is selling, you know, sugar water and
all this. Like,
just in case I haven't pissed off enough
people in power. Yeah. Okay. So, you're
going to piss off the sugar anybody
that's powered on sugar. Yeah. Sugar.
Well, sugar, what's the health was
actually a document documentary on
sugar. It wasn't about how bad meat was.
It was like a reverse documentary on
sugar. a rever I don't know if you call
a reverse like a sub but if you watch it
again when they show sugar in it it's
just the sugar looks super clean.
Yeah. Just so as I state as I state
these things I know that I know I have
protection if I have God's protection.
That's why I'm here to this date. Right?
So it it's for me to have this platform
and express exactly what I feel because
it's kids out there, right, that
um it's kids that are going to save the
world through engineering and through
facts and I've got to get download as
much of the information and as much of
the don't be afraid to state your facts
is the biggest thing because the world
is being ran by fear and at is no
actually God runs the world but there's
this like little cloud this patina of
our ego
uh that deals with the money and the car
and the girl we're dating and all this
in the clothes we wear and spending too
much on clothes and a lot of stuff that
I've been involved with promoting. So
now what I'm promoting is you have the
idea, you say it out loud. Like you like
if you had Tourette's, say your truth
out loud. If you hate Yay, you hate me.
Say that out loud. Say whatever you feel
out loud. Like you say it nonviolently,
you know, nonviolent. Nonvi have to say
that like as you know, you know, as a
shout out to Alex Jones, you know, and
Trump where they try to say that when
they say their truths out loud that it's
inciting violence. Let's be like really
clear. I'm saying that they have uh
criminalized free thought. The you know
they I hate when people use they. Like
they gets the blame for everything,
right? It's always they. Who the who the
fuck is they? Exactly. The problem is
they is us. Yeah. Well, I love that.
What we need to do is turn I to we so we
take the responsibility and turn they to
us. So we take accountability
to us.
They I to we and they to us. And that
relates it's a language at the same
time. You're seeing the language of our
surroundings. You're seeing the language
of
one one of the things. Okay, let's go
back to the sale explanation because I'm
also doing a what's that thing when Elon
just put all the information in the open
and people could figure out if they
could figure it out and open source.
Yeah, open source. So, I'm open sourcing
this idea right now so that you know
engineers and anointed people
uh beings, anointed beings can
collectively contribute to this to push
our species forward. Um, so where I've
got to with my research is that there
will be a hole at the top that allows
natural light, natural air, and there's
a constant water system. So, it becomes
like a water city where it's a constant
flow uh that's not it's it's
regenerative. It's not wasting the water
and it's just a constant flow. So I put
the toilet really close to where this uh
this
I don't want to call it a wave pool but
in the pool the water is not still. So
that exists in in water
surrounded by water. Well the living
room is the you have two rooms. You have
the dry room which people have called a
living room before and then you have the
wet room.
How is that a source of happiness?
What is what is uh broken about our
world today that that gives you in terms
of the pursuit of happiness which is one
of the things all of our building the
previous declaration of independence.
All of our buildings are based on just
the industry and the economy. And then
people lean into what people are used to
seeing
like
what we think is attractive cuz then you
go back to
the you know women who give life. So,
everyone wants to be attractive
to the attractive and that's the reason
why the media
goes and gets, you know, Bella Hadid,
Kim Kardashian,
uh, Emily Radikowski.
Um,
those are the only ones I'm gonna uh,
there's more. There's more, but I'm I'm
thinking of ones that I think are
attractive. It is subjective. Yeah,
because it's subjective. So, to my
subjective, which I think I think
uh the only guys that can argue with me
on um on my opinion on girls would be
Brad and Leo because we're the only ones
with the track record, you know,
everything else. So, for everybody else
is subjective. We've got history. So,
are you are you are you happy?
Absolutely. I'm just here. It's actually
it's difficult to make me
unhappy. Now, I could deal with
frustrations,
but when those frustrations are, it's
like
when you've allowed people to be in your
life that shouldn't be there, and then
they do the thing you knew they were
going to do, and you're screaming at
them, but you really need to scream at
yourself.
Yeah. So, you realize anything that's
like anger or frustration, that's
something that's wrong with you that
needs to be dealt with.
Yes. Like right now, okay, say I got
this pattern cutter that I wanted
to remove because I felt like she was
copying our patterns into the computer
and I didn't know why she wanted to do
that and I just wanted to do the
patterns by hand and then you know you
mean like automating the patterns. Is
that what you mean? Am I head of a
because they just that's the whole
thing. It's like
it's a war of it's a war of human beings
and robots. It's like yeah but that
makes it more efficient, right? You
don't like the efficiency. You like the
creativity of the singular nature of the
pattern. I believe that the human beings
and I'm saying this to you as a person
who makes robots and a person is friends
with you. I'm deeply offended right now.
Yeah. But I Yeah, I'll let it go. Okay,
good. So yeah, I believe that the Yay
hates robots.
Not I'm not going to put that out there.
It's a joke. Robots have feelings, too.
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That was also
a joke. Was it? We need to clarify that
for future robots.
But the pattern cutter. The pattern
cutter. You don't like that. That had to
be that. That's You can't have that part
of your life.
That's not what I'm I'm my everything
that I'm doing is for
the sake of the human race.
There's things in capitalism. There's
things in technology. Well, tech
technology and original human species
can exist
in a peaceful way
as long as the people that know how to
make robots aren't using their robots to
control the humans.
Lex, it definitely is something you have
to be concerned about as we become more
technologically savvy. That, my friend,
is why engineering isn't everything that
you have to desperately study the
lessons of history. In Nazi Germany,
science was used to create atrocities.
Engineering the same. Engineering could
be a tool of war. We we are still in the
Holocaust.
Uh a friend, a Jewish friend of mine
said,
"Oh, come go visit the Holocaust
Museum." And my response was, "Let's
visit our Holocaust Museum, Planned
Parenthood. With all due respect, I grew
up in the Soviet Union. I'm Jewish.
Parts of my family perished in the in
the Holocaust of Nazi Germany. I have to
push back that there is a difference of
the atrocities at that scale at that
time on an entire people. I was going to
say the number that's the difference.
It's not the number because 6 million
Well, also African-Americans are
actually Jew also. The lost tribe of
Isra that too. Okay. So, well, everyone
came from Africa. I am African. I'm
basically African-Amean. We're brothers
and we're both Jew and we're brothers.
So, we're human. 6 million people died
in the Holocaust. Over 20 million have
died by the hands of abortion. And the
media promotes the my body, my choice,
which is actually still a promotion for
Planned Parenthood.
50% of black deaths
a year is actually abortion. It's not
It's not the cop with the knee. It's not
black-on-black violence and gang
violence. It's not heart attacks. It's
actually abortion. The most dangerous
place for a black person in America is
in their mother's stomach.
this 900 to a million abortions in the
United States a year. I hear you. But
there's something about the rape, the
torture, the murder of children, women,
men, the complete humiliation and just
the suffering that was endured during
World War II. That's what we deal with
on our TVs right now with black people.
Soros would use black trauma economy for
to win an election.
What I love is having a healthy
conversation and as opposed to there's
certain things, you know, boom, this
drops, people going to have pussy hats
on. Boom, this drops, it's going to be,
you know, black people and white people
with signs. Boom, this drops. So, hey,
China. Hey, left agenda. Hey, what we're
going to do is say that our species can
have a healthy conversation. Do it's Can
I just linger on this? Because when you
say Jewish media,
it there's a echo of a pain that people
feel that reminds You're saying You're
saying it's redundant, right? No, I'm
not saying it's redundant. I'm saying
it's redundant. You're saying it's
redundant. It's a redundant. saying it's
something that I'm saying that it's
something that Joseph Gerbles, the
propaganda minister of Nazi Germany,
said. I'm saying it's been said so many
times in order to murder and torture
Jewish people that it just rings wrong.
I know. And that's the thing. Just like
the N word when spoken by people that
that have the same skin color as me, it
reminds people of a very dark time. I
know. If if Jewish people would accept
that I'm Jew, then they would see what
I'm saying in a different way. They
would hear it in a different way. But
see, the people you saying you're
Jewish, that No, I'm Jew, not Jewish.
Jewish means like that of a Jew. I'm
saying I'm Jew. You're a Jew. Blood of
Christ, Orthodox Christian, right?
But that are you um
are you a follower of the philosophy of
the black Hebrew Israelites?
Because that's where the idea comes
from.
Not all of those folks are extremists,
but some are extremists. I'm a follower
of the idea. I have a vague idea that
all people came from Africa.
But what I wanted to do Yeah. Now, okay.
Now, I could Andy Kaufman this about
seven more minutes. Yeah. And then tell
you what it is, what what the whole
point is. Let's count. Seven minutes.
No, I did this to do a spoiler alert.
Sure. Spoiler. What's the first thing I
said at the beginning?
We're talking about engineering and
humans. We're all And I said, and then
what did I say? We shouldn't focus on
race. Not just that. I said they
shouldn't teach this in school.
history. The history because what they
do, what schools are doing is exactly
what the CIA does with Pixar films and
Disney films. They make Bambi's mom die
in the beginning, right? And off that
pain comes a purchase of ice cream. Off
that pain comes I need some more toys.
Off that pain comes I need a bigger
house. Off that pain comes I need more
girls than my wife. off that pain comes.
So they put that pain in to make us uh
now we're the orphans of capitalism to
make us be consumers and we need to be a
community not just consumers. So I could
have went another seven minutes by being
a person
who presents himself in a way that says
well I don't have to feel your pain
because I also have pain too that's not
being recognized. And in every interview
when I say, "Well, why' I get to the
point of putting up the tweet?" Uh, no
one wants to understand why I got to
that point. You had pain. You had pain.
Yeah. But no one pain in your heart. But
the Let's say this, undoubtedly, Jewish
people have a lot of movies about
that pain and black people have a lot of
movies about the pain of slavery, right?
It's almost impossible to find a movie
about Mansamuna. When you go to the
African History Museum in Washington DC,
it doesn't start with the idea of
Africans being kings. It starts with the
idea of Africans being slaves. But
here's another interesting point about
this. This was said to me one time and
it stuck with me as a family member of
mine.
with Africans. How many times you've
heard like a rapper, you know, talk
about we were kings.
That's incorrect.
If we're Jew,
if we're Jew, and since we are, we
weren't the kings. We were the slaves
that Moses freed.
Africans have always said, we've heard,
you've listened to rap music and hear
black people say, "We kings, we blood of
the pharaohs.
And
if we are Jew, then we weren't. We were
the people that Moses freed.
And when we talk about, have you heard
black people talk about 400 years of
slavery? Mhm. All right. That isn't rep.
And we're having this history lesson,
right? I thought history doesn't matter.
You're exploring ancient history and
drawing deep wisdom from it and at the
same time saying we need to forget all
of it.
We need to put that behind us.
Absolutely.
We need to forget it and we need to move
forward. There is so much wisdom to draw
from history. Even the 20th century,
look at this. Communism
without the lessons of history of the
20th century. Communism sounds like a
great idea except that some of the worst
atrocities
conducted by Stalin and Mao that killed
5000 plus million people not just killed
tortured starvation where people the uh
cannibalism they ate each other they ate
their children there's there's just dark
people people should read some books on
this on the uh Hollandmore in the 1930s
that lesson we would and now it's
becoming more popular. Marxism and
communism. I'm not disagreeing that that
happened. I'm disagreeing that
we need to harp on the things that
happened because the truth is I'm giving
a fact. 50% today of
let's say you don't call black people
Jew, right? Black people's deaths today
is abortion. today, right now, like
that. It's not racism. That's too wide
of a term. It's genocide and population
control that black people are in today
in America that is promoted by the music
and the media that black people make
that Jewish record labels get paid off
of or media companies. Uh, record label
is a media company also. So, let's give
it a wider. You know, I agree with
Martin Luther King. I have a dream too
that one day you would not be judged by
the color of your skin or your race,
black or Jew, but by the content of your
character. All the assholes that fucked
you over in the music industry, fuck
artists over in the music industry are
individuals. They're not Jews. Can you
Can you They are They are Jewish. It
doesn't. They're human with
opportunities and they took those
opportunities. I don't care if they're
Jewish. Do you feel like I should
release that pain and separate it?
Yes. Okay. So, if that if Okay. So, if
you're saying I should release that pain
and separate it, then I'm telling you,
you should release your pain and
separate it. And we could get to this
the list of how you are being with
engineering opportunities. That's 100%.
I see what you're doing. That exactly
you're doing the pain. I'm going to let
it go. Engineering challenges. I get it.
One of the problems you highlight is
people get fucked over in the in the
music industry and get fucked over in
the media. Get fucked over all over the
place. They created there was a there
was a Jewish trainer that brought me to
the hospital and put in press that I
went to the hospital. I got I know
friends that off of exhaustion a Jewish
doctor they diagnosed you keep saying
Jewish because they were right diagnosed
me with bipolar disorder and shot me
with medication and put me on medication
then put it in the press and every time
even if I wore the wrong color hat that
a nigger is not supposed to wear right
then they immediately say he's off of
his shit he's off his meds he's off his
rocker and it's literally uses a scarlet
letter control mechanism for the people
understand the kids, the colleges, the
high schools. Where do you think they
put me right now? They put me as the
prophet, not the leader. It doesn't have
to be the leader, right? Cuz we we need
we need a more uh intelligent person to
be the leader, but at least, right, they
put me as the prophet. They put me as
the only person that would say this. And
I'm just saying that was four Jewish
members that controlled my voice because
for the fact that 90% of black people in
entertainment from sports to music to
acting are in some way tied into Jewish
business people. meaning that in some
way just like if if Rahm is sitting next
to Obama or Jared sitting next to Trump,
there's a Jewish person right there
controlling the the the country. The
Jewish people controlling that who gets
the best video or not, controlling what
the media says about me. Jewish person,
not Jewish. Let me just say one thing.
But they are though. That's the only
thing. It just so happens that they are.
It just happens they are. That doesn't
mean that I hate them. That just means
that they are. But it's a it's a dog
whistle to let me let me just say as I
would love to add more love to the
world. I would love you to do that as a
person with a big voice with a big
powerful voice that a lot of people look
up to. And when you say Jewish media,
it's funny how this world works that
way. When you say Jewish media or Jews
are controlling the voice of black
artists, black people, black artists,
when you say that, am I not allowed to
say it out loud? You can say it. There's
a large number of people that are
hurting and have anger and even have
hate in their heart when they hear when
they hear Jewish media, they start that
hate starts being directed towards the
Jewish people.
Do you acknowledge that? That's Do you
understand? Can you feel the hate in the
world? That's when that uh that comes to
the surface when you say stuff like
that. Okay. I I feel that
when we go into therapy, my dad was a
therapist and obviously I've got some
therapy skills myself. A lot of people,
my music is healing.
These type of spa-like existences are
healing. The color palettes I use are
healing. And we can use healing words,
right?
What I really feel there I feel that
there is no accountability and no
responsibility on Jewish people in media
to at least start with owning up with
the facts of what's dealt with and tell
me if I say the facts out loud to to the
point of Arya Emanuel writing a letter
in the Financial Times trying to take
food out of my children's mouth telling
people that they're not allowed to work
with me even Chris uh Como or Pierce
Morgan getting me to apologize and
separate
Jewish business people to from the
families of the Jewish business people
which I did update I did that already
happened and the way that was a shitty
apology that wasn't really an apology
but shout out for that conversation I
get on my knees and kiss the dick of
Howard Stern and you don't need to kiss
anyone's dick I don't but that's what
You guys are acting like you guys look
at that because you're talking about
it's a shitty opinion
apology. But where's our fucking
apology? Watch this. We we don't get
Thank you. Now let's move on. Sorry.
Oh, do I need to get on my knees or no?
And kiss my dick. Oh shit. So this
escalated quickly. So uh that's
escalated quickly. So, um, the, uh,
no, I'm saying, where's our apology?
But, right, we can't get to apology
because you're telling me there's no
right way for me to word it. So tell me
for me a person who's been fucked on my
deals and a person that has friends that
never figured out how to make shoes with
a German company that couldn't tell me
to wear a BLM shirt and take off my red
hat like what would have happened if I
was at Nike, right? Um uh tell me
exactly how to engineer the situation
I'm in. tell you exactly how you got a
big voice, have the balls as a man to
call out the individuals. Don't call
them Jews. Call them by their name and
start a war against those individuals.
They're not Jewish. But if that's the
case, will you help me with that? Sure.
100%. Assholes are as well. Let me like
flip that too. I don't understand the
industry. Well, I I I see that people
are fucking people over for sure, but
how do you solve that? If you run, if
you right now run the world's uh you're
doing a million things, but say you ran
also a record label. I have run a record
lab. Well, I've been ran by a record
label where I was the face of a record
label and had Big Sean and different
people complaining to me and I knew fuck
about running a record label. I was
simply just a talented producer and an
influencer that then started good music,
but I wasn't the one running good music.
How would you do it differently? This is
something I I propose. I would look at
the top 10 execs in three fields in
sports,
uh, film and music.
And I would look at the top 10,
uh, clients, participate, act, talent. I
would look at the top talent in each of
those field, the top 10 of them. And
some of them are going to be Tom Brady.
Some of them are going to be Taylor
Swift. Some of they're not all going to
be black, right? Some of them. So,
uh, some of them would be Adele, right?
Uh, and we'll look at all their
contracts
transparently and we'll compare the
notes and re-engineer like it's a new
constitution. Because when I told my dad
when I was 19 that I was going to get
into the music industry, he begged me
not to. He said, "I heard it's
treacherous." Now, I'm in a position
where I've been through it. I saw it. I
went out, made some money somewhere
else. I saw my name get smeared. I saw
my family get destroyed. I saw my
reputation get destroyed. And I'm back
here to have this kind of I'm back here
as a being with engineering
opportunities. So, wait a sec. If you
say it's a shitty apology, what is the
version
uh of the apology short of kissing
Howard Stern's dick? I don't think
anyone wants to kiss Howard Stern's
dick. That's the whole point, Howard
Stern. Nobody wants to kiss your dick,
so shut the fuck up. I said, "And by the
way, I'm antagonized you, Howard Stern.
I used to be a fan of you." Yeah, me,
too. Yeah. Now, I'm still a fan. Now,
now you're just doing clickbait like
everybody else. Now you're just a sad
old man, Howard. All right. Now, Howard
Stern, this is the first time anyone's
said your name in years. Your own family
doesn't say your name unless they're
calling to get their bills paid.
You're going hard. Uh, I'm just See,
that's beautiful right there. That's
much better than calling Jewish media.
Call Go after individuals. Okay. Go
after individual. If you don't talk shit
about me, talk shit about me. This is
great. And you know what that is? Yeah.
What's that?
Engineering. That's an engineers
approach. Yeah. Engineers. Yeah. Yeah.
You should learn some of that. We all
can use our pain against each other or
we can say we're a being with
engineering opportunities and we can
know about history. So let me change
something. We can have
a just to be judgmental. People say thou
shall not judge. I was talking to
Camille Vasquez. She says I'm very
judgmental. That's what we're doing. We
I I I believe now you could go to Bible
and one thing's going to say one thing,
another thing may be contradicted a way
and then the pastor has to unpack it. I
believe
that we are to judge. If you look at
some food and it's got a fly coming out
of it, you can then judge at that point.
You're supposed to use your better
judgment. But whenever someone doesn't
want to change something they're doing,
they'll say, "Don't judge me." Right?
But as a species, you called for me. You
got the breakthrough. And by the way,
it's only a engineer that I would
respect to tell me of how of how to
update how I'm communicating because
this started off right. I've been
through all these um interviews.
Let me go to this. You said this was a
uh sorry apology. I was very specific. I
said the Jewish because by the way it's
a barrage, right? It's a thing where I
don't even remember the names at a
certain point, right? It's like if a if
a girl was getting raped by men,
if that person is not 18, right? And she
was getting raped since 14, right? and
she's still got this face, this super
like Ireina Shake level face, right? Uh,
she might say, "I hate men." That woman
may say, "I hate men." She might get to
that point because she was raped on my
contracts and no one can say this is
ramped up. No one Howard Stern can't say
this is ramped up. Ari Emanuel can't say
this is ramped up. George Soros knows
damn well that I'm not ramped up. George
Soros knows like, "Wow, this guy's like
a younger guy that's looking at what I
did and looking at how I control the
world silently and he's calling it out
and he's not using any of the fear
tactics. I can't send his homeboys
around him. I can't send his wife to
him. This guy, that's what George Soros
sees, right, when he's dealing with me,
right? So, what you guys are actually
asking me to do, I'm comparing myself to
that 18-year-old beautiful
uh woman that had been mistreated by men
for uh four years of her life, right?
And you're saying, you know, as a man
you can't blame all men. And I'm saying
as a responsible
um forward philosopher leader, okay,
I'll drop the pain and I will specify
because I'm up here. I lost my fucking
family. I lost my kids. I lost my best
friend in fashion. I lost I lost the
black community. I lost, you know,
people said I lost my mind. All of these
things. Lost my reputation. And I'm up
here just like I just want my family,
but I don't want my family to have to
say what the left wants us to say. I to
have to say what China wants us to say.
I want to be an American and protect my
kids and protect my wife and raise my
kids as Christians and have my wife be a
Christian and innovate and America made
rock and roll. I want to innovate as a
creative person and be a successful
American. But all of that had been taken
away from me. So I'm coming back and I'm
removing the PSTD right now, right? I'm
standing up and saying the only way that
we're going to be able to get past this
in the way God is going to um use me
right now is for me to stop talking
about the pain, stop talking about what
happened and do something about it. And
that's where I'm at right now in this
moment. like, yeah, people agree. At
least there was something where you
could say he has a reason of why he got
to that tweet. And what you're doing for
me today is saying,
you know, uh, that was a sorry apology
and let's specify. I'm not asking for
anyone out here to empathize or
sympathize for a, you know, a dude worth
11 billion dollars that can make money
disappear
out of thin air in five different
industries. You know, I'm not asking for
the I'm not asking for anybody to
sympathize with someone who's married to
Kim Kardashian, dated Ireina Shake, like
I feel like I'm just not going to get
the sympathy vote in this situation.
Right. So, I feel your pain. I feel your
pain. Yeah. I feel like no one's going
to feel my pain. Only Only Brad and Leo
can feel my pain. Right. So the so uh uh
but still but here today when you said
as a sorry apology,
what's the what's the apology that
you're looking for as a as a Jewish
engineer? Oh, not say as Lex. Let's not
talk about you being Jewish. As Lex,
what's the apology that you want me to
say to Am I allowed to say Jewish? Tell
me. Is it anti-Semitic for Yay to say
Jewish out loud? No, there's uh I don't
like the allowed that presumes
censorship. I think you choose you have
a powerful voice. You did I prove Did I
Did I prove that there was censorship
over the past two weeks? I prove who
censored you. Oh, drink champs. Who's Oh
my lord. Oh, like Twitter and so on.
Twitter. That has to do drink champs.
That hurt you. that drink champs. Uh
that no took it down took down your
conversation. No,
it didn't hurt you.
Man, you got to be honest about the
We're still the kids we used to be. I
put my hand on the stove to see if I
still bleed
and nothing hurts anymore. I feel kind
free.
Noah, do you think
you know I I went to Japan for two to
three months, right? The day I had
Sunday service, my kids are supposed to
be there and my kids are nowhere to be
found. And I text Kim and say, "Where
are my kids?" We get into an argument
and then I get a text from a number I
don't know and it's Pete Davidson
bragging about being in bed with my
wife.
Then
just fucking with you. Well, at that
point it's like
they're trying to put me in jail or put
a friend of mine in jail
because then I'm gonna go surround the
hotel and do all, you know, do something
which would have me not be able to be
here. And instead, I walked away from
that situation. I went to Japan like the
samurai that I am and went to the top of
the mountain. And cuz I knew that I mean
I knew there was no way she could love
this dude. Not just because he's ugly.
He's not black. She likes black guys.
Every guy that she, you know, is with
looks exactly the same. Ray J, uh,
Reggie Bush at that time, Kanye West,
she has a type just like how I have a
type. Like a lot of my girls look kind
of similar to her because in a video
game character, people have people have
their type, right? So, I knew that this
was like the the princess has a type and
she likes Mario. Right. There you go. As
somebody cares for you and hopefully can
be a friend. Yay. I got to say these
words and the words about Jews is not
the words of a samurai,
of a great man. I would say, you know,
you said
something that inspired that resonated
with a lot of people when you said
George Bush doesn't care about black
people. I have to say as somebody who
cares for you that yay, the artist
formerly known as Kanye West doesn't
care about Jewish people. In the same
way you spoke about George Bush being a
politician and not giving a fuck about
the poor people that suffered after
Katrina, you're not giving a fuck about
the suffering of the Jewish people
across the world. Why am I not? Because
you're feeding you're giving strength,
motivation. We already updated. I gave
an apology. You said it wasn't good
enough. Yeah, that's right. It's not.
And now you're telling me no, I'm not
going to You don't need to kiss anyone's
dick. What you asking me to say it was
wrong to say there's no Jewish media.
There's no Jewish uh there isn't there's
no control of the media by Jewish
people. You're an engineer, brother. If
you're an engineer and you're not
holding to the truth, that's not
engineering. Engineering is not that's
not that doesn't that's hate. That's not
engineering. Engineering is I'm going to
build a better record label. It's called
stereotyp. I'm going to respect our
stereotypes exist for a reason.
Engineers don't do stereotypes.
stereotypes are dumb. They allow you to
channel hate towards the other. You know
what the biggest thing is? Yeah. With
something a veteran that was sitting
next to me at Cheesecake Factory last
night, uh he said,
you know, the the general justice, he
serves for whoever is the president,
right? And he said, what's happening in
politics is we're forgetting we're on
the same side.
We're forgetting we're on this. This is
someone is practically now he's a nurse.
So he's still, you know, fighting for
humanity in a way. He went from holding,
you know, guns in battle to being a a
nurse and uh when people are battling
for their lives. And he said, "We're
forgetting we're on the same side. This
is a person that no matter who becomes
president, he can still be told to go to
war.
And the chaos that's created by the
media
has split the country in half. And what
we what us as beings with an engineer
opportunity need to do right now is find
the blue water. Where do we where are
places that we agree on? And I want you
to finish everything. Hey, I'mma let you
finish
everything he
want to express to me. Get off all I'm
your I'm your scarecrow today. I'm your
I'm your punching bag today for
everything I did. And I want you to
stand up for all of the hate that I'm
your Al Gore when he lost the election.
remember he almost became a punching bag
for the lady that had voted on him and
she just said all this stuff and he's
like I know I agree with you right but
there's nothing you know that he could
do about it with this it's like things
that you're saying I agree with you know
it's like if you sit some kids in the um
in the principal's office and I punch
somebody right I took I took my hand
right as
what it really means means even Arya
Emanuel had to say this is a pop icon,
right? And I went and just punched
an entire people at one time or said
that I was about to. I went like this,
right? And I got blacked out, black
mirrored, done, right? And it's like,
what were you even going to do? And why
did you go like this?
I went like this because
I I can't even do I would I would look
insane to physically show you uh a
metaphor
a a physical representation of my last
20 years of what I've been through as a
musician, as a father, and as a black
person with a political opinion. A great
man still through the pain does the
right thing. And I think the right thing
is to not say that there's Jewish
control of the media. And that's
incorrect though. That's a fucking lie.
There is. And they did come and bully
me. It proved the point. No. The reason
you don't say it is because the world is
much bigger than the forgive me the
narrow little world you exist in. Your
impact stretches way past those little
boardroom meetings over contracts. So
what should I have done? What should I
have done? Not say that you should be a
strong man that doesn't mention that
doesn't mention religion or people and
then fight. Do you want to win this
fight? How do I win? How do we win? Call
out individual people build. That's one
way because they have a big voice. The
other voice that I prefer is to build
another uh uh label or support another
you're controlling my creative narrative
and my because just like how you're
telling me I shouldn't have said that.
Do you think there were people telling
me I shouldn't have wore a red hat?
No, you cuz you asked me what should I
have done. You're supposed to be a
scarecrow so I thought I'm going to beat
the shit out of the scarecrow with my
words. Right. You let me. It was
consensual. The punching bag is a bad
because scarecrow actually has a
different real name. So let's say a
punching bag. I shouldn't say a
scarecrow. Yeah. But every single person
that I've sat with from the point when I
wore the red hat till now has done the
same thing. Sit in the principal's
office and don't do what you're doing.
We're in the general's closet right now
together. And I'm not The red hat is
very different. The red hat is uh you
have a set of beliefs. You represent
half the country that has a a a hope, a
vision for the future of America. That's
very different than without any purpose
whatsoever saying Jewish media, Jewish
control of the media. You said that
there's no purpose. So you're taking
away my history and my reason of what my
purpose was.
I'm saying also also also it can I'm
speaking my voice vocalizing it. Also,
yeah, it's God's plan. There's a lot of
things that open up. Let me tell you
something that open up. There's a guy
like I told you that was running Stem
Player who I've had issues with. We
hadn't got paid on time certain things,
right? And he took his his IQ, his
knowhow, his engineering knowhow to he
basically was trying to adidas me with
even though I was the bigger money in
the situation that was funding. we
funded together and he hired these
engineers and he said, "Well, because of
your comments, we're not going to be
able to hire anybody else." And I was
like, "Well, how many Jewish people do
we have in our company?" He said, "I
don't know." He didn't say exactly,
right? I said, "Do we have black
people?" He said, "Yes." I said, "How
many?" He said, "Two." So, we have like
60 full-time employees, like 40 halftime
and part-time. And
I
I took as a responsibility, let's let's
let's let's take a step back from the us
being one species and say, "Hey, you're
Jewish. I'm black." Right? Why step why
step back? For this example, for the
sake of this example, and I said, "Wow,
I'm sure I can hire more than two black
engineers."
And what happens is
because there are so many businessmen
that just so happen to be Jewish that
it's good business, right? Just to
monopolize. That's the people to look
in. Everybody wants to be Elon, right?
So,
uh the I disagree with that. Okay. But
let me finish this point. Uh a lot of
let you finish. A lot of a lot of
businessmen want to be as successful as
Elon and as popular as Elon. a lot like
just worded like that which I hate the
term a lot actually I want to be more
specific but I don't I haven't done the
math on it let's say some factually for
sure there are some business people of
all different walks and backgrounds that
would like to be as rich and as popular
as Elon Musk. So, let me just take a a
step back from the we're one species
into the we're separated by race,
gender, socioeconomic class conversation
and say as a black owner of two tech
platforms, hardware and software, I need
to take action. Let's not call it
affirmative. Let's just say I need to
take action in uh I need to take
accountability in ensuring
that
black engineers
are hired and guess what? Hired
together. Because when the black people
that are brilliant are separated from
our culture, we forget who we are. And
we'll get to a point where, you know, uh
OJ has say, "I'm not black, I'm OJ."
Because just to be on the golf course,
we put on the golf shirt. But the golf
shirt might not be something that our
culture would have done. And now our
culture in uh poor communities is, "Oh,
everybody's got Draco on them.
Everybody's got a gun on them. Oh, if
you run up on me on the gas station,
I'mma kill you. Hey, you ain't got to
talk to me like a man if I haven't
killed at least five people. But you
know what happens is we can kill five
people. We could kill 10 people and
still be in the media as long as we play
by the the rules, right? Cuz what would
happen is any of these guys that have
talked about killing people and
different things unless Trump had
pardoned them, right? But let's say even
if Trump had pardoned them, they could
still go to someone like a a little
boozy or Meek Mills or Puff Daddy,
anybody, and say, "Hey, we need you to
talk shit about yay right now." And
also, you're not allowed if you do want
to vote for Trump or vote outside of
what this arrangement is, then we're
going to put you in jail. It ain't We're
not going to bring you down. We have
this on you. You get what I'm saying? If
I had ever killed someone, if I wasn't
the bitch with the pink polo on, I
wouldn't be able to be the vocal man
that I am today. You understand what I'm
saying? This is the reason why I'm happy
that my gangster disciple brothers kept
me from the initiations, which made me
feel like a pussy my whole life, right?
But now I am someone who legally can say
this. Other people in my position, they
legally cannot speak. They legally
cannot speak or they will go to prison.
I am in a bit of a glass prison because
I don't have say so of where my children
go to school.
But I'm in a freedom place where I can
have this conversation with you right
now. And that is I I don't like the word
breakthrough. You know that that's God's
hand on this situation. But you get what
I'm saying about if I hadn't said the
tweet, I wouldn't have had to take the
accountability myself to hire black
engineers into my two tech platforms.
Yeah. And do you get what I'm saying?
That's a beautiful personal journey
you're on. But do you get what I'm
saying? That it's that personal. It's
for my people as a whole. As a tribal
company, it's a small company. As a
tribal person,
I believe that I am my people. Yeah. And
and and the thing that that businessmen
have done to my people have pulled the
brightest out of our tribes and siloed
them and made us lose our culture and
lose who they were. All the only thing I
wanted to say at Virgil's funeral, which
I wasn't allowed to,
right? It was a white pastor that talked
the majority of the funeral. Half the
funeral was pissed. Pissed, right? Um
and uh and this pastor actually married
me and Kim, right? He looks like Justin
Timberlake a little bit. Uh and um he
talked half the funeral. He knew Virgil
was passing. Did a collaboration with
him before he passed, by the way. Right.
A clothing collaboration. I didn't know
Virgil was passing. But the thing I
wanted to say,
I saw ASAP Rocky and I saw some other
members of his gang, you know, in the
audience at the funeral.
And all I wanted to tell him is don't
let them split the gang up.
Don't let them split the gang up.
when
I did the first Yeezy
uh cuz I did Kanye West two fashion
shows before as a high-end luxury all
leather kind of designer not all leather
but you know high-end materials um mink
this kind of thing um and then I came
back with Yeezy with Adidas and this
fashion show was so popular that Justin
Bieber had to sit in the second row
right This thing had every name you
could think of. It had Kim Kardashian,
Kris Jenner, Kendall Jenner. It was
Kylie's first fashion show. She'd been
in. And in the second fashion show, I
put Kylie and Bella Hadid next to each
other in the fashion show. You had Puff
Daddy. At that time, Puff Daddy uh had
beef with Drake. Drake still came to the
show and Jay-Z had to break up the fight
backstage. the designers. You had Jerry
Lorenzo that's head of Fear God. You had
Kim Schrob, head of SKIMS. You had
Virgil Abau, head of Louis Vuitton. You
had Dimna, head of Balenciaga. All
working for Yay, for the leader, for the
philosopher, right? For the person that
put who put this together? Me. That's
who, right? You had these people working
for the king of New York. Basically, the
boss. Yay. Right. You had you had Jay-Z
in the audience, Rihanna in the
audience, um Beyonce in the audience,
sitting next to Anna Winter in this
audience, and guess who heard wind of
this? One of the richest men in the
world, Bernard Arno, caught wind of
this. What's going on? They're building
up something and we need to stop it. So
then he met with me and politely offered
me backing for my clothing line. It
would be Kanye West. They would get 49%
or 51%. I would get 49%. They'd have
control and they were going to give me
all of the support from Louis Vuitton.
Uh, so I had to go to Adidas and I told
Adidas, "Hey, let's ademnify the
apparel." Uh, so Adidas, you're not
going to do the apparel anymore. Hey, we
had a we had a good time, but we're
going to run off with Jazelle now.
Right. So the that's like you told your
girl that and she like, "Oh, no. We're
supposed to we had the proudest moment
of our career." And so
uh so then he offers me to deal and
Alexander Arno who's went to gone on and
rape and pillage from all of the talent
that I had afterwards said I say before
I tell Adidas to admnify the apparel can
I get a written contract from your dad
Bernardo and he says my dad will never
go back on his word. So, you already
know where this thing is going, right?
You can spoiler alert, right? Uh, he
went back on his word. So, 3 months into
the deal, I get Anna Winter. I say, "Who
should I use for my lawyer?" She picks
my lawyer for me, right? I just found
out even a couple of days that the
lawyer demanded a airplane during
negotiations. Had nothing to do with me,
right? They said that Bernardo no got
freaked out and then Alexander no calls
me and says the deal got dropped at the
board.
I went back and told my highmaintenance
wife I was supposed to become this
designer at Louis Vuitton or the Louis
Vuitton group was going to back the
Kanye West line cuz that's how good I've
done in fashion, babe. And now the deal
is dropped.
Now the deal is dropped. So then I did a
second collection and we didn't have any
support to be able to build the
collection. Then I went and found and
third collection we did it. We took over
MSG. Fourth collection went and the show
started an hour late. Then a week later
Kim got robbed. Then I told Scooter
Braun, my manager at that time, I say,
"I
uh I'm looking, you know, I need to go
to Japan. I'm tired. I'm tired." He
says, "No, you need to make more money."
I
do four more shows on a second leg of
the tour and I suffer from exhaustion
and go to the hospital and then get
diagnosed with a disorder. This is the
first time I ever suffered from
exhaustion. By the way, I haven't been
to the hospital since.
haven't been to the hospital since and
haven't taken, you know, medication in
two years. And I'm sure there'll be
people in the media we won't say where
from will say, "Well, that's obvious,
right?" So, uh, so right now I'm talking
to you, right? I'm not on medication. I
just go to sleep, right? I have sleep.
Have you been able to sleep this? Uh,
that's that's that's that's too low
hanging fruit for you. You're you're
more you're I I expect more. I agree. I
agree. I expect more. I agree. That was
dumb. I regret it. I said that that
that's like uh that's like Pierce Morgan
trying to grab ratings. Like you got a
whole life ahead of you. You got a whole
life ahead of you. You got these guys
are at the end of their life. Oh, good.
So, so this me out of my shit. I love
it. But then amidst that, the same guy
that dropped my deal, Bernardo, goes and
hires my best friend. Mhm. goes and
hires my main engineer, right? It would
have been like them hiring, you know,
Elon from Peter before they figured out
Paul before they figured out PayPal. But
it it all sounds like uh it all Pal
sounds like Paul. I just say cuz I'm a
Christian. I thought it was cool. But it
would have been like what if someone
could have went in and took Elon away
from Peter before they paid Paul. before
they I just cuz they PayPal before they
before they it's just too close. Too
close. It just sounds so fresh that the
fact that it's so close, right? And
that's that's what happened, right? They
broke the gang up. And I'm telling you
right now, that hadn't happened.
Virgil's alive. I'm still married. You
know what I'm saying? The power
structure was broken then, right?
Because we were building some Kylie
wasn't a billionaire at that, you know
what I mean? We were building something
together that a French colonizer came in
and caught it early and tried to destroy
it. But the only thing is God is alive
and I'm anointed. And even with those
drawbacks, losing my wife, losing my
friend, uh, uh, exhaustion, um, all of
these late night tweets that piss off an
entire group, you know, like this the
frustration still there, we work I work
for God and God runs the world and we'll
see what we'll see what happens. But in
those words, don't you feel that
being split up, don't you feel you're
doing the thing that you stand against,
which is playing victim? Aren't you
playing
victim to the forces in the world? I
didn't play victim. I didn't even get a
chance to play. I just said I was about
to. I said like this like No, you played
pretty damn well. What do you mean? What
do you What do you mean about to? You're
like one of the greatest designers in
history, fashion designers.
You were playing. What do you are
playing? What does that even mean? I
thought I thought you were referring to
the tweet playing victim there. Well,
there's a full set of things that you're
under attack for
the tweet and everything beyond that.
But like you're you're blaming not
blaming but you're saying that the
Jewish media, the Jewish record labels,
the Jewish people, forget Jewish or not,
doesn't matter, is playing victim,
right? Ultimately, I am fighting a
battle in the spiritual form. And anyone
that believes in God and is looking at
this interview would agree with that.
And I just so happened to be a bright
part of God's army. I'm fighting for us
to live. The greatest gift is life
itself. I am pro-life. I am pro God. I
believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord
and Savior and died for our sins.
What do you feel about
another attack? Another painful thing. I
imagine super painful is uh Balenciaga
pulling um
uh you had a really close relationship
and friendship with their uh creative
director. Like how do you feel about all
of it?
I told you I sang the song. I'll sing
another song from one of my mentors
future. I never feel pain. I don't felt
too much pain.
Like there was a day where I was headed
to Nashville to meet with George Farmer
who is the CEO of Parla the the day when
we made the announcement. At that same
day uh Balenciaga
uh was taking my imagery off of their
site and uh the drink champs was being
taken down
and I said this is the happiest day of
my life.
I love cutting the grass low.
People wasn't really with you. They was
part-time. People switch up when it's
wartime. I rather have people who are
really with me and not people who are
just trying to use me. Listen, as a
friend, as somebody cares for you, you
have to be really careful by the people
by all people always. The people that
are going to be try to be close to you
now. You don't know if you can trust
them anymore. more with the blind. I
want I have more to say about it though.
Yeah, please. Let's do this. Dimna will
still work
for Yay someday. And this is just
speeding the process up. Have you
talked? Can you share if you've talked?
Yes, I I talked to Dimna. This is like
we're Kendrick spirits. None of this can
keep us away from each other. I brought
DIMNA to GAP to be able to bring the
best product in the world. At that time,
I wanted to go under $100. Now, I'm
like, "Okay, we're going to go $20 a
product." Uh, I brought Dimna in
to engineer. That's why I said engineer
by Balenciaga. Yeezy guy. Engineer by
Balenciaga to engineer the best product
for the people. the people that
that they say are at the bottom of the
Maslaw hierarchy and need chart or
they're at the they're at the bottom of
the pyramid, right? So,
GAP didn't want that. Balenciaga didn't
want that.
Our agendas were not aligned. I was
brought in
to the gap for political reasons and
influence like a Virgil, like a George
Floyd. When popular celebrities are
brought into Fortune 500 companies, it's
not to raise the stock. It's to
strengthen the position and influence.
And it's definitely not to be out here
letting a nigga think he's Steve Jobs.
Yeah, there's people like that.
But you as a a great man and visionary,
your job is to understand that game and
be one step ahead. Well, that's why I'm
telling them that relationship, you
know, some relationships only last for a
summer. Yeah. You know, some last for a
year. The relationship ran its course.
You know, in that relationship, I
invested a lot of my social capital and
actual capital there. I spent somewhere
between5 to$10 million personally on
Balenciaga.
How much money do you think Balenciaga
had paid me in the past two years?
Just take a really wild guess. A really
wild less than that. Just take a super
wild one. Just go to your the furthest
extent of your imagination.
1.2 million.
Lower.
500,000. Lower.
Zero. Zero. All right. And actually two
weeks ago I paid out a saints account
$862,000
not in close for me from Balenciaga from
the store in royalties to Balenciaga
where the deal had been engineered where
I was coming out of my pocket. So I paid
last year I paid Demina $3 million
to
uh to design the collection, right? and
we got it out of the GAP marketing fund
and he was going to deliver 160 SKs or
120 SKs. 100 SKs are separate items of
clothing. Uh so
uh styles of clothing. So he ended up
delivering about 60.
I feel like we're on the people's court
cuz we actually are right. We're in the
court of public opinion.
Uh so he delivered about 60. There were
all kinds of people that were working.
Part of the reason why I had to get
Dimna like I didn't want to have to I
wanted to compete with him. I didn't
want to have to like get him. You know,
when I made Stronger, I did it to
compete with Timberland and and Justin
Timberlake because my fiance at that
time liked Justin Timberlake just a
little bit too much. So, I made it to
compete. And then we have the song out.
It's number one on Apple. It's blowing
up. I play it in a club and it sounds
muddy. It doesn't sound the way Sexy
Back sounded in the club. So, I go to
Forel
Williams to to do the drums and it
doesn't they it sounds like a different
record. And no, it can't be a different
record because I'm like, I'm going to
swap it out on radio, right? Then I go
to Swiss Beats, it sounds like a
different record. I go to Timberland,
the person who did Sexy Back, and he did
he did it in five minutes and then spent
the rest of the hour talking about how
nobody could have done it except for him
running around the studio. I'm the best.
No one could have. That's why he had to
go to me. Had to go to the king. Well,
he he had a point, right? He had a
point, right? So, what makes the song
muddy? Is it the beat? It was in the
drums. It was something that Timberland
had in those drums like now watch this.
I said I'm going Defcon 3, right? And
the actual I spelled it wrong. I have a
tendency to do that. I'm not quite John
Legend tight sweater level spelling B
level. So I feel a parallel to me going
to Timberland to when I said, "Hey, you
as an engineer, I need to work with you
as an engineer that is Jewish to look at
these contracts and what my people, not
just black people, let's say artists are
dealing with in our contracts. These
contracts need to be fixed. Everyone
could be so mad at the messenger, right?
Yay. You said it the wrong way. You're
offensive. You're like Hitler now
because you said it. You said this out
loud. But it does not You're You weren't
getting enough sleep. All this shit does
not negate the fact that we do have
Houston. We have a problem. Yeah. But we
is just the music industry. Like there's
a lot of hate that was created by just
saying that, you know. But you're saying
what is just is everything to me, right?
one one it could one person can mean
everything to me right and for George
Bush winning an election was everything
and then when you said George Bush
doesn't care about black people that you
woke him up you woke the people up to
the fact that he was narrowly being
selfish you are there's a sense to which
you're being corrupted by your own
greatness that you're focusing too much
on the industry that you've made great
that you've rose to the very top one of
the richest artists in history one of
the greatest designers. I'm not I am the
richest artist in history. Probably the
richest artist in history.
Yeah. I don't I They say the funny thing
is they're like, "Oh, richest black
person." It's like, "Oh, also richest
actor, richest musician, richest fashion
designer." Like it's a bunch of richest
in that one. You know what I'm saying?
It's like richer than Ralph Lauren, like
richer than Ammani, like richest like of
that. But still low like cuz where do
you put that you know like on the totem
cuz I don't even want to uh man's bank
account isn't everything.
I would say you and I are equal in a
certain deep sense
no matter what the bank account says.
Voom voom voom voom.
So I wanted to give you some theme music
for for your moment. You sound a little
muddy. Let me give you the Timberland
version.
Thank you. But okay, play that as a
club. So the other thing about like say
like Balenciaga is
Demna will work with Yay someday and
for Cedric and for France Pino and Salma
is a beautiful human being.
Five years from now,
you'll hear and know the name Yay and
know things that we did
and Balenciaga is not going to make it
onto your questions.
Would you? Well, would you as a a
gambling man, would you bet on that? I
would bet on that. I can see it in your
eyes. Let me ask you. So, it was it was
sad. It was actually a sad day for me.
Not for me, but more for Balenciaga.
I just when I when I heard that I was
just like, "Oh, shame."
Let me let me ask you a silly question
just um about Dem. I read something that
you two talked about like buttons for a
few hours. That my gumdrop buttons
just an accent. Me and Dealon speaking.
Shrek. What What's your philosophy uh
with which you approach design? You're
you are one of the great fashion
designers of our time. H how do you
think about it? Do you have a
philosophy? You know what I like about
the zipper is the zipper the zipper
hoodie replaces the dress shirt cuz you
could get on your douchebag shit and
like unzip it and give a little bit of
you know that type of look. And which is
the douchebag? You know, like when the
when the you know, the douchebags that
go to Vegas unbutton their dress shirt.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the problem with
the pullover hoodie is
you can't do the douchebag thing where
you unbutton but then still get the like
the stomach. Cuz the thing is the
ultimate look would be like, you know,
military tank pullover hoodie and if you
get a little hot, you take off the
hoodie, but you're like crazy in shape.
Mhm. So it gives you that flexibility.
Yeah. It's given the zipper is given
some flexibility and it's like maybe you
want to keep your jacket on. Like it's
considered like a hoodie to be like a
jacket. If you want to keep your jacket
on then
you might you might want to do this as
opposed to pulling it all the way off.
Yeah. You know, so and it's just
comfort. But then you get okay,
can I do a jogging pant on this with
elast elasticity? Now people argue about
climate uh where we are with the
climate. I take a responsibility as
being the most influential um
designer you of all time uh to
um to say we're going to use
biodegradable
uh clothing. Now the issue there is um
the elastic
is not biodegradable.
So that means it's actually better to
use jeans and a belt than to have an
elastic waistband
because elastic waistband is not
biodegradable.
So I use the planet as a big the future
of the planet is a big piece of
the way I engineer and the way we talk
about where designs are going. The
constraints on your design and
engineering is given by the planet, by
the future of the planet. Yes.
That could almost make Jewish people
like me again.
Every time you say Jewish people, I
think I've been maybe reading a little
too much about World War II, but man,
I'd recommend you listen to some uh
audio books or read some books on the
Holocaust cuz like
it's heavy. It's heavy. It will put into
context the impact of your words. Uh
would you read books on the current
Holocaust that black people are in?
Don't I I mean I read uh I read what
have you read about abortion? I've read
um a lot of short form writing and I've
listened to a lot of debates
cuz it's really humbling that the the
question of when does life begin is a
really difficult question for me as an
engineer and scientist. It's a
philosophical question. I mean, we could
just go on population control, not like
if abortion is right or wrong. We could
say factually
the clinics were made by eugenics
for population control and it is
controlling the population as is the
never being given of 40 acres in a mule.
until you don't have the opportunity.
And when the people that do have the
opportunity are separated from our
people, our tribe, and placed in
suburban communities next to, as Chris
Rockco put it, the dentist, and, you
know, whitewashed and made to shut the
fuck up and, you know, vote left or
whatever, you know, uh, niggers are
supposed to do when we make it, as
opposed to saying, "Okay,
we're building
schools. We're building up choirs. We're
building up our own leagues, basketball
teams, our own factories. We started the
first uh sportsware factory in America
since World War II
was actually uh this factory I put in
Cody. So, you know, I'm 45 years old.
We're on this journey right now. This
the other thing about this is like
people just in general, they love me so
much. I'm like actually a hard guy. to
really hate for a long period of time
just cuz like because of like my huge
cock and that's what I noticed. I didn't
I didn't understand why you showed it to
me when we first met but now I
understand.
Yeah, it's very nice. Congratulations.
Uh I know you don't talk about it, but
your hat does say 24. Yeah. Um, if you
run for president, what kind of ideas
would you represent?
That we're beings with engineering
opportunities?
I would represent
Just as you served a platform here,
there's something that happened on my
last run that
I thought I feel I know was brilliant.
It was noisy, but it was brilliant. I
had one rally and in the rally I just
let people come up and I gave them a
platform.
It's our responsibility
to listen to the pain and hear the pain
and understand even when
we're the ones that cause the pain like
with my tweet. It's my responsibility to
hear you and understand why you feel
like that. But it's our responsibility
as a people to understand each other
to give people a voice. People need the
voice. And even right now,
what I'm doing or how God is using me,
I'm showing where our voices are being
muted. There's professors that are
actually intelligent, actually have
multiple degrees that have been
cancelled
from their schools, and they don't have
a music industry or a fan base or shoe
design or a smoking hot ex-wife to
complain about. They've just got the
truth of what they saw and what they
dedicated to this country and to
education that has been muted by schools
that have been taken over with an
agenda. And so you're you want the
brightest minds to be these professors
and then you mute them and they have
nowhere to go. And you might get a guy
now that went from being someone's
favorite professor to he's working at
Starbucks like like he was back at
school or like he was back in high
school. So even if that voice is about
anger and hate, it still deserves to be
heard.
Yeah. It deserves to be heard and we
deserve to ask why. You know, like we
you have to ask why. I just feel like
that's what's I feel like that is
sympathizing Mr. a huge cock. I'm just
saying
that
it just needs to be
you should change that to your name on
Twitter
while you're still allowed on there.
Yeah. I do you think they got that would
get censored? I feel like they, you
know, they definitely cut it down some
interest. Uh the I'm I'm pointing out
this
I'm pointing out this truth. No, I'm
serious. This is not a Christian thing,
right? Uh,
and
you know, I wonder right there when I
say these jokes,
is it something that I cuz I do feel
like laughter is the key. Engineering
and laughter, right, is the key to
peace. Like when I go get my teeth clean
and I I have the nitrous, there's uh
there's something that I want to go and
hug Chris Jenner. I want to go and hug
Cory Gamble. I want to go and hug, you
know, Howard St. I No one wants to hug
Howard Stern. I mean, you know, but you
know, just if one No, no, no. Let's I
think I would love to see you two hug it
out and make up even though all the shit
talking back and forth. What about
talking it out or is he going to be
screaming at me? Yeah. Judgmental and
that kind of stuff. No, I hope I hope
there's love there. You know, the thing
is
I think Howard's just jealous,
you know, not not just uh not just
jealous of my cock. He's also um
he's jealous that I started my campaign
earlier than him.
You got to let go of that jealousy is
you got to let go of that jealousy,
Howard. You got to let go and everybody
else. Jealousy is a natural human thing,
man. M I wonder just as a Christian,
right, when I joke and say this stuff, I
it's like, hm, am I being disobedient to
God? Because as a boss, right, I'll talk
to
um
an uh an employee and I'll be like, why
didn't you just listen because I've got
the bigger plan. Right? So, it's like me
talking to God. Were there things that I
did in this interview that were
disobedient to God? And and for those
things, I I pray and I repent for
anything that I've said that was
disobedient to God. But humor is not one
of them. Joking is I feel like humor is
the way we avoid so much suffering in
the world. It's the way to it's like a
catalyst for love. Like it's a way to
people that gone through some of the
darkest trauma that I've ever met
through war. I just came back from
Ukraine.
They're laughing.
They're they're making jokes. That's the
best way to deal with dark times. I
don't know what it is about like humans.
I I feel like humor,
that's the best way to social engineer a
good future, I think, is humor. Not
taking shit too seriously. That's the
problem with censorship. One of the
things I really suffer is humor. jokes,
maybe going too far in the jokes. You
mentioned Anthony Jesselik. That guy
goes hard. That guy goes really hard and
it's great. He crosses all kind he
crosses all the lines and he's that's
why he's a genius and that's what people
feels refreshing when he does it. I
don't know what it is, but then it's
like hurtful when I do it. But I'll tell
you something that was interesting. I'm
pretty sure Anthony doesn't like Sorry
for the assumption, but just most
comedians I know didn't vote for Trump.
That's interesting. I not saying there
aren't comedians that did, but just the
ones I know cuz I live in California,
right? But they have an appreciation for
Trump because of the sense of humor.
Yeah. Got to ask you about Parlor and
engineering cuz I'm interested about
that.
M
hey man, I'm actually trying to hold it
together. You're pretty you're pretty
offensive towards towards a lot and I'm
not looking to be offensive. I really
want to bring people together and get
these sales done. But the word I 100% I
see your vision. How do we do it? But
somebody you care well not don't say
Jewish media and Jewish Jewish
controlled media. JM
like, man, you sound you sound like it
it sounds too much like 1930s Nazi
Germany that was leading up to the
atrocities. Oh, he would say JM. Yeah,
he was branded JM. That's right. No,
it's just the the the implied like this
um memeified
uh
prejudice towards a group in a way
that's going to lead to hate. And I
don't I know you don't mean that. I know
I know you have love in your heart. You
know, you know what's a prejudice
towards a group that led to hate? BLM
BLM took a black person,
showed his death on camera because,
okay,
there are examples of
us being killed and being killed on
camera. But if it was spread on camera,
it was done on purpose by the media
because
14 20 kids get killed in Chicago every
week and it's not spread that much. They
like you said singled out a person,
directed everything on that person right
as the martyr and raised the people that
hadn't had any. We didn't have our 40
acres in a mule. We didn't have, you
know, like a lot of things, right, like
that black people have not ever been
given. So once we given just a little
bit like
your life matters, right? Then we
literally like, oh, okay, now we're
being heard, right? But actually the
death toll is up. The city uh where this
happened is completely been turned to a
war zone. They actually, it's actually
something like Candace Owens can
actually
specify this better, but it's like its
own city or something like they they
made it not be a part of the actual
state or something. It's like like DC
and stuff. It's like it's like
Washington DC now and stuff like and
that has to be from a government,
you know, that's got
higher level agenda written all over it.
Yeah. They're using the death of an
individual. Yeah, sure. The media are
not the Jewish media, the media. And
that's the media is fucked up. That
machine
does takes whatever tragedy and uh
pushes it towards whatever narrative
that gets more clicks and views and so
on. Sure. And then politicians do the
same. They use the media that influence
the media to tell a story. And um I this
is a simple thing I'll put. I believe
that
the idea of anti-semitism
and the the closess
of uh the Holocaust
is used by
certain individuals in media to not take
accountability
for the bad things that that are
happening. And what's happening is
there's a new frontier, right? Meaning
like it used to be okay for somebody to
be a billionaire. We thought about a
billion a billionaire, right? You a lot
of times you think of actually kind of
being out of shape and you know 20 years
ago, 30 years ago like Onasis or
something like you thought about a
different way. Now you think about a
billion, you think about Elon, you think
Kim, think Yay. You think it's a new
kind of billionaire, you know? It's not
just Soros is a billionaire. It's a new
form of billionaire. Well, right now
what I'm calling for the industry is I'm
I'm calling I'm calling the industry out
and saying like, "Hey, it just so
happens that there's been times where I
had my lawyer was Jewish, my regulator
was Jewish, but like like eight people
that basically would collude and talk
without me were in groups saying, "Okay,
this is what the tour is going to be.
This is his next house." and they were
making all these decisions and they're
making all this money and at the end I
was like I ended my tour and I don't
have the money and it just so happens
that that's the case that what they were
but what I'm saying is if everyone can
say hey you can't point out this fact or
we're going to say you're anti-semitic
and we're going to call you Hitler. I
feel that there has to be at least 1% of
safeguarding the ability to screw the
artist based on saying it's anti-semitic
by pointing out that they just so happen
to all be uh Jewish.
And I don't think that's anti-semitism.
I just think that's hey this is another
thing like okay the Kardashians when you
hear that do you think male or do you
think female? You think female. You get
what I'm saying? You think this is the
realities. This is why rap works, right?
They're gonna make an anti- women thing
in a in a second, right? And it's going
to say, "Well, if you point out that
these five women, six women are having a
meeting on where the Christmas party is,
and none of the ball players or rappers
that they have babies with have any
say." So, so that Christmas happened at
Courtney's house all eight years when I
was there and it never happened at
anyone else's black family house, right?
If I'm the one that pointed it out, they
just don't have they they don't have
their, "Oh, you're anti-Semitic word to
say shut the fuck up." Yeah. Because
this is the way it runs and this is the
way we want to do it. If you say that
though that women are silencing the
black voice, Yes. you're going to get
the same response. But especially if
historically re about the fact that it's
true when you talk in groups
that breathes hate when you talk about
individuals it solves problems. You're
an engineering. Okay. But this is
something I pointed out on Pierce. I
said if a black person gets pulled over
with a car and it's three other people
in the car, they're also going to jail.
They're not going to single them out.
They're going to say, "You guys are all
in collusion." I just described
collusion five times in this interview.
And you keep on going back to this is
like 1930.
This is like this, this is like that.
What I'm saying is, look, I want to work
with you as an engineer to free my
people. Can we start as a being with
engineer opportunities right here? I I
am sorry to the people who had to be
hurt and affected by that. Now we are
here and I'm looking to solve it. But
what happens is every time if I talk to
any of these business people one by one
cuz mind you I didn't get to the tweet
by not having a conversation. I had the
conversations beforehand before I got to
the tweet. Now we gonna take it to the
stage. Now we're on the world stage,
right? And you saw Ary Emanuel do
exactly the kind of thing that I was
saying had been done behind closed
doors. Now he's doing it in open doors.
They told Candace Owens, I couldn't be
on the Daily Wire. Like you can't even
explain yourself and we don't care of
how you got to that point either. And
that's fucked up. They told Candace you
can't be on Daily. Is that even about?
Yes, she did. That's what they said. And
you know what? And you can have my voice
raised or lower. I'm going to do it
lower, right? Because what's happening
to me by I put it in your words, the
media is saying,
not only
can you not explain yourself, we don't
care how you got to that point. You need
to apologize and you can't explain. And
that's the end of the story. So just
apologize so we can have Mel Gibson do
some more films. Is exactly what Arya
Emanuel was saying. No one is looking to
change the problem that led so many
people to that same level of
frustration. And I just so happen to be
the one that's not going to back up on
it until this changes. Cuz you know
what? I'm sorry I had a sleepy text. I'm
sorry I wrote I'm sorry for every I'm
sorry that I I put uh that I was uh 512
or 5'11 on uh Tinder. Okay. My cock is
not 14 in. I lied. Okay, it's only 13.
So, I'm sorry. Right. So, the
why he's dropping so many facts today.
So, what I'm saying is, but where do we
get to this? Cuz even you, as
engineering, as intelligent as you are,
you just like everyone else that I
saying was colluding, won't let us get
to the point of fixing it. Yeah. But I'm
not I think you're more powerful than
the media. I'm not saying you need to
apologize because of the media. I'm
saying everything we've been talking
about just cuz I care for you and I want
you to be the best possible man you can
be. To me, a definition of a great man.
I'm with Martin Luther King on this. You
don't talk about Jews or or black
people. You talk about engineering. You
talk about humanity. You solve problems.
You identify the problems in the world
and you don't come from a place of
resentment. This group did this, this,
fuck all that. Um that is in the past.
You just build solutions. I'm going to
create a new record label. I'm going to
create a new design firm. I'm going to
create a new social network. I'm going
to do it better. I'm going to do it
right. I'm going to do it right by the
people that I know don't have a voice.
I'm going to give them a voice and talk
about that. Is it okay to call out
collusion? Do people collude in your
business under you? Like the engineers,
they come together and like say they
collude against the bosses, right? You
know why Bernardo No offered the deal
and took it away from me? Collusion.
because I was too powerful with the
collective that I had right there. He
had to stop that at all costs. They said
for whatever reason, this kid, yay, it
has the ability to have all of the
Kardashians, Jay-Z and Beyonce, uh
Justin Bieber, Dimna, Virgil D, all
these people in the same room working
towards the same goal. I've been that
person since preschool. That's called a
leader, right? And right now, what I'm
saying is,
hey,
for the people in business, whatever
their background is, whether they turn
their whether they turn their cell
phones off on Friday or not, there's
been some bad business done. There's
some bad business practices, and we have
to change that because this game is like
boxing. More people end up retarded than
rich.
And I'm saying like beat to a pope,
driven crazy, beat by the media to a
pope. Right now, the media has done
everything they could to make me
apologize and to make me look crazy. And
that one person has done anything to
find out why I was frustrated enough to
do that tweet and that's facts and
that's fucked up. Well, I I was hoping
to I am finding out. We found out. I
mean, but like I want solutions. Like
see there's something about human nature
where if you focus too much on
resentment towards we're not focusing on
anymore. Fuck the resentment. We're
moving forward. Right? So there there's
two things I think that are required for
I mean this is how I've lived my life
for great engineering. You surround
yourself in your personal life by people
you trust. And then in your professional
life from the engineering perspective
with a team with an incredible team and
everything else doesn't matter. That
allows you not to focus on other groups,
how they're fucking you over, how
they're like trying to manipulate or
collude and all that kind of stuff. You
focus on solutions and you find a way
around all the difficult shit. That's
it. If you have people in your life you
can trust.
That's like lifelong. You said like some
people you're with for the summer, for a
year, find people you can be with for
your whole life. Do you have people in
your life that you trust? Like really
trust?
No, I trust God.
At any point a human being can like I
could like if I like go and like
really,
you know, treat this guy like a piece of
shit or do this. Am I supposed to, you
know, trust him to be loyal and stay in
the situation? No. I trust people to be
people. And people are flawed. And
people can have the right intentions,
but it only makes sense for us to work
together when our agendas align. When
Kim was pulled really far to to the to
the left, our agenda's no longer, you
know, aligned. So that made the marriage
impossible. It it aligned where it's
like, "Oh, I could wear a red hat that
can help her to get Alice Johnson out of
jail because Trump's willing to do that
for my wife because I was the only
person in my position that stood up and
say, "Wait a sec. I like you." You know,
because But isn't there a deeper agenda,
the human agenda of just being in love?
Like that's just pol what you're talking
about red hat is just politics, right? I
mean, the world is becoming more and
more transactional every day. And
actually marriages are actually actually
originally based on transactions, you
know, and that's why they're less needed
the more autonomous as we come or the
world makes it less needed. I feel like
we do need each other. I feel like we do
need someone we can always, you know,
count on. It's like I'm yay pulled away
by King Koopa, which is the media, the
politics, the promise. Oh, we're going
to keep you safe. So the thing, the
reason why I get, you know, really
frustrated with Kris Jenner is she says
losing Rob Kardashian was the greatest
mistake of her life, but she never gave
Kim's hand over in marriage. Because
this is the bottom line. When me and Kim
met, we were millionaires or whatever,
right? You're telling me you just hand
her hand over in marriage that your
daughter's not successful? handing your
hand over in marriage too. But no, she
had to still be the husband to all of
her daughters and we see what the
results are consistently.
So that's where I get, you know,
frustrated. It's like, let that go. Let
this person
do what you made mistakes on. Don't make
this person relive those same mistakes
and then put that agenda into my
daughters, too.
Is there somebody in your life close to
you that that you trust enough to call
you out on your bullshit? We're all full
of shit sometimes. What's my bullshit?
Well, some of it I pointed out today,
but I don't know you deeply enough. What
was the bullshit? Jewish media. Jewish.
That's not bullshit. The bullshit is
that the Jewish media won't admit. Your
dad was right. Your dad was right. the
words you used the you weren't the point
you said it you're not going to make me
say it 800 more times
I don't know if it resonated cuz you
keep saying like the words did it
resonate to y'all that y'all ain't do
nothing about it and that all y'all want
to do is have somebody apologize and
sweep under the rug your bullshit that
you've been doing the whole time you you
on the same bullshit as the other
people.
So you're doing the same thing that the
other let's say media because I'm not
allowed to say has done. So until
somebody which is what man is which is
what is I'm trying to call you out in
your bullshit cuz I hope I'm somebody
you can trust. I don't fucking trust
you.
Well, you should find people in your
life you can trust. Don't tell me what I
should do. I'm not one of your BLM
marchers. Listen, I'm with you on the
BLM. Uh, a lot of organizations
use tragedy it and um and I watched the
Candace Owens documentary and what what
was your take on it? I think it's
important to question the mainstream
narratives, but I don't agree with it. I
still believe that George Floyd uh died
from the knee of the cop, not from
fentinel. And and even if that was the
case, there's still 50% of black deaths
is actually abortion.
So let's get into engineering. Let's
just go cuz that's how do you fix that?
Population control is social
engineering.
And in its most literal form,
the blacks the are under population
control. That's something that I mean
that's just what it is.
African-Americans are not choosing to
get the abortion. I mean, it's a choice.
It's an individual choice, but we're
being influenced to.
Well, then speak to the community and
help. I mean, I don't know what the
engineering solutions there are.
It could be I you're doing that in part
by speaking to the value and the power
of family. Well, well, watch this. I was
building
shelters. I bought land in Calabasas and
I bought two ranches in Wyoming. 300
acres in Calabasas, 12,000 acres in
total in Wyoming. And I started building
ideas for shelters.
And God set it on my heart to make
monasteries, which would be modern-day
facil facilities that don't turn people
down, that have farms,
that have
shelter, clothing, but first of all,
water. First of all, knowledge because
knowledge is the most important resource
to our species above water. Knowledge
it's itself because then you can go get
water. I mean, you can argue like if
you're a baby, how do you eat water? But
but the baby doesn't have it, you know.
So, someone with the knowledge then
feeds
the
uh baby the water. But it's important
that those with the knowledge teach the
baby how to find the water themselves.
And the business people that I've been
dealing with have been keeping the baby
sick by not sharing the information and
the knowledge with inside of those
contracts. My people are sick. If I load
up
Apple Music right now and I play the top
songs in the rap chart, I would tell you
my people are sick. If I go to the
restaurants in opportunity zones and we
look at the calorie rating and the
cholesterol, I will tell you that my
people are sick. If we look at the
obesity rate, uh if you go to just a
restaurant somewhere in in middle
America, Denny's or something, I went to
Denny's the other day, you would see
that my people are sick. And my people
meaning all people, right? But black
people are very influential to all
people. So, right, if so, if the media
picks uh a overweight black woman and
says this is body goals, then the media
are influencing my people to stay sick.
And it just so happens that that night I
was so frustrated after 20 years that I
had to call it out in one tweet that now
even if I say, "Hey, okay, I was
frustrated for these reasons. Now it's
not good enough. You've literally tried
to make me reap apologize 10 times in
this meeting. Ressay this, resay that.
But it doesn't change the fact that my
people are sick. And I'm the only person
in my position that will say that my
people are sick
today. Not 30 years ago, not 60 years.
My people are sick today. 50% of my
people's deaths are abortion today. My
people don't have the opportunities
today even to the point that because if
JP Morgan had been nice to me and if
Alex Klein a stem player had been fair
to me different things then I wouldn't
even point it out that we don't have any
black we have two black engineers so I
have to have a responsibility obviously
to all people but specifically to my
tribe because tribes
tribes move you know tribalism is real
with black people to separate the
brightest from the tribe or to separate
the leaders. It is factual that the CIA
removed the leaders from the black
community, put crack in the communities,
put guns in the communities, and locked
up all the leaders and called them gang
lead. Right? Locked up all the leaders,
locked up all the fathers. Now 72% of
black mothers are raising children by
themselves. This is agenda like a
Tuskegee experiment set on my people,
right? And what I'm calling out for the
black people in entertainment is
what are we doing? We have to collude.
And if we don't collude, because even if
I said, "Hey, I'd like to make a company
that's all black, right? Is that okay
for me to say? Is that okay for me to
say or is that anti-semitic?"
See, if I hadn't crossed the line so
far, then that would have sounded
anti-semitic. Now I've stretched a bit.
So now we can go to okay let's make a
all black company but that would have
been anti-semitic
just that concept because you could word
that in a different way that would sound
anti-semitic
I don't know man I I have to No listen
would if you were if I said I didn't
want to have the Jewish people in the
company would that be anti-semitic
it would sound like it right you'd say
I'm from 1930s right yeah but for me as
a tribe to say no I want a all black
company right I'm generally against that
kind of thing, but you first of all, you
have the right to do whatever the hell
you want. This is Well, what I'm saying
is that's what I feel may need to happen
for my people to have power again
because when my people have been left
under the media's control, we've been
made sick. We've been allowed to be
sick. We've been promote and we're
promoting sickness. I think at least in
the engineering realm, I haven't met an
engineer
who happens to be black who would like
to be called a black engineer. And when
you have a company of all black people
that are engineers, I don't know the
creative arts. I apologize, but
engineering,
they really tried to look at each other
as humans and look at the problem and
you want to know, you want to have the
confidence that everybody on the team is
the best possible person for the job.
What I can say is
the world is sick
and
I have slight images
of utopia, slight images of happiness,
slight images as a visionary and a
creator. And I know for a fact the way
that business deals have been done for
me are keeping the world sick.
Fix them.
I see that's what you're trying to do
and you probably Listen, people should
not doubt. Yay. But I got to tell you, I
have to be honest. Um, don't this is
silly cuz you don't know me. But it it
hurt when you said you don't trust me.
You kind of lost me. I don't think
anyone's ever said that to me.
I don't know, man. Fuck that. You're I'm
not I don't care about uh views or
clickbait or any of that bullshit. Um, I
just thought you're one of the great
greatest artists ever. It'd be cool to
talk to you and I just I feel like you
got pain you're working through. I never
had anyone say that to me. I I maybe I'm
just being a mess about it. I guess
that's fucked up though. But maybe it's
not. Maybe you shouldn't trust it. But
but I just haven't had that experience.
I Yeah. Do you think I would trust
anybody at this point in my life? Yeah.
It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. I
hear you. And uh I it's it's also kind
of good to see how much strength you
got. You're not broken by any of this.
You're under a lot of attack, a lot of
attack by a lot of people. You have a
vision and you're trying to feel your
way through it and you might get
destroyed for it. That's the human uh
that's the risk you take.
It's a wonderful life though. What do
you hope your legacy is? To be
forgotten.
You think it'll be forgotten? Cuz the
memory, there's ego and memory in the
memories. Who designed the sidewalk? Who
designed the water fountain? Who
designed the stop sign? Who designed the
stoplight? These things are so
ubiquitous that the person that designed
them is forgotten.
If it's a good idea, it's a god idea.
And I don't no VCs can own it.
So you want your designs in all realms
of life to be so simple
that they
they permeate everything. They take over
and you are forgotten. That's a
successful design is you're forgotten.
Yes.
Do you have advice for people? A lot a
lot a lot of young people look up to
you. You have advice for young people
of how to live a life they can be proud
of.
Don't tweet while you're sleepy.
Take a nap.
Surely there's other things. I I love
the humor. Don't take it seriously, I
suppose, is what that means.
No, don't send sleepy tweets. Uh unless
you buy your own social platform the
very next week called Parlor. But other
than that, if you're not gonna buy your
own social plat, then don't. Is that why
you bought parlors? So you could be
sleepy and send messages out into the
wild. I actually really interested on
the engineering aspects of Parlor. Is
there a vision there? Cuz I'm also super
interested in Elon buying Twitter. I
like Instagram
uh better than Twitter. And I'm sure
Mark Zuckerberg liked Instagram better
than Facebook or saw how
uh you know how valuable that was and he
bought it. So you'd like to take parlor
something? Whatever is the magic that
makes Instagram work, you want to push
it? Well, I thought it was interesting
how it felt like Snapchat made the
Kardashians bully Instagram. What What's
the What's the point of Snapchat going
to war on Instagram? Yeah. I mean just
everyone wants to say well this is our
value Snapchat you know no one wants to
lose their value to someone else's value
whatever it's like and everything is
just what's the difference between
permanent and temporary you know it's
just a permanent structure and until God
says it's not you know it's like
nothing's permanent our life is not
permanent
so how do we just let go those things
even like going from the name Kanye West
was the beginning of just letting go
of some things of these titles like we
need to remove the titles like hey if I
if I have to leave Adidas and I have to
go next computers
that may take me out of the billionaire
standing altogether and I I got to get
low for however long God says I have to
get low and refocus. I've been
reshaping, refocusing my staff. I had
some people that were good and I had
some people that weren't and I had too
many people and I've got a vision inside
of me and I'm like this is how I make
this vision. I have to bring this vision
to life. I have to bring these houses to
life. I was talking to um one of our
architects
on you know we're actually getting close
on it. I've like built it a few times. I
had like the domes you probably saw and
kind of and I had you know how he
transformed Kim's house and you know
we're getting there like So you want to
get into architecture like you really
you really want this to become physical
reality. Yes. And I' I've got close.
Rome wasn't built in the day. Yeah. But
Rome had to start somewhere. Yeah. I got
to call you out on the advice. There
really is a lot of people that look up
to you and you've lived a really
difficult life and you made it through
all of it.
What what what do you advise them to do?
Do everything that you feel.
Even if you are told that it's the wrong
thing. No, no, no, no, no. But not
anything violent. So do what you feel,
say what you feel. Like trust your
heart. Yeah. Trust your gut. Trust your
instincts because that instinct is who
God made you to be, not, you know, what
lines up with your like frat brothers or
what lines up with what your dad wanted
or what lines up with your classmates
or, you know, it's just
God has something inside of you and and
when you walk down the street, you're
thinking about it and then you just see
it in the window and you go down another
street, you see the same thing or you're
thinking about a number and that number
pops up or you see it on a license
plate.
And that's just, you know, something is
trying to say be the maximum.
Yay. You know, be the maximum you and
God won't give you anything that you
can't handle. So for me,
everything is a yes. I think they say be
like water. I know Bruce Lee said that.
or matter of fact just be
because we are beings with engineering
opportunities.
Beautifully put. Yeah. Uh I have hope I
have faith that however this turns out
that you have the skill and the capacity
to really add love to the world and I
hope you do that.
I really really hope you do that. And we
talked about the tension of that, the
challenges and the opportunities of
that. I mean, I see how we could be of
use to each other. You actually have a
particular thing for me as I eject from
media cuz even also, you know, I'm
really big at like, you know, burning
the phoenix, too. All you know, as an
engineer that your cells completely
regenerate every seven years. I think I
I rush the process a little bit. So I I
run around looking like a burn victim
sometimes. Yeah. But I got to tell you,
anyone I am close with, I work with,
there has to be trust. There has to be
love. And I think you've been burned
quite a bit in your life.
Sometimes I did it myself. I put my hand
on the stove.
So how do we get to engineering? There's
a deal to be done here. Not saying
you're making this money off of that.
I'm making that money off. But there's I
don't care about money, by the way. Same
twins. So there's dealings here. You got
pain, I got pain, but we're beings with
engineering opportunities. For a long
time, I thought somebody should create a
new social network. And it looks like
great engineering can do that. You got
two at one time from two of your
homeboys at one time. Yeah. And that's a
great way. I mean, every, you know, it
can be done from scratch or it can be
done a new with an already established
platform. Yeah. I'm very excited by that
possibility. Uh Parlor is smaller,
Twitter is larger. I wonder whether you
can do any kind of revolutionary
engineering with a large company. If
anyone can, I would say it's Elon. Well,
Elon can look at what we do over here.
That's why I like God does this a lot of
times. Uh he creates uh doppelgangers.
There's a lot of examples where a theory
happened two places at one time. a
really similar type of personality
happens at one time. It's weird. It's
beautiful. It's hilarious, actually.
Yeah, it's kind of humorous. So, we
should we should just share
every piece of information together as
like as I go build Parlor and as he
builds up Twitter and see how to make
both those better. But I'll I'll be
like, "Hey, I'm not going to let
Snapchat bully me out of, you know,
adding something to it." That's best. It
should just be the best platform
possible. That means that, you know,
that means Tik Tok has amazing features.
Twitter has amazing things about it. I
know this girl that's like, I like
Instagram better than Twitter. It's just
she likes that Twitter has porn, but
other than that, Instagram, but I was
like, well, Instagram is porn also. It's
like soft. It's more subtle. It's not
telling you. It's not It's not
conservative.
by any means, you know, and I mean,
that's the thing. You have to please a
lot of people with these platforms. And
I think the goal of a platform should be
to um help individuals
maximize their long-term happiness
and growth like intellectually,
spiritually, psychologically, all of
that. And it's a tricky thing to figure
out how to do that. Of course, you could
just have a platform that's just
strictly for fun. I think that's where
Tik Tok leans,
but um there has I think there's a
balance to strike. Like Twitter, there's
a lot of intellectual philosophical
stuff going on on Twitter, but it
somehow currently makes it too easy to
be divisive and hateful towards each
other and cancel and all that kind of
stuff. I think we need to have these
healthy conversations.
That's what it is. Healthy convers,
healthy dialogues. That's the biggest
thing. Like when I first wore the red
hat, the conversation is less healthy
than it is today.
The conversation about George Floyd, you
know, it's like, did I send the tweet
the right way? Did is Candace Owens
documentary perfect? Is what Michael
Moore is? That documentary is perfect.
Century Self, is it fully accurate? You
know, it's two to three hours of a
transmit of information through a
particular usually one person's view.
And anything you want to research, if
you're interested in it,
you got to look at 10 versions of it, 20
versions of it. George Floyd, we've
looked at one version of that. Now, we
have a second. Well, by the time we get
to the,
you know, I know this is like it's it's
not my last hoodie, but it's definitely
not my first hoodie that I put on. You
know, it's like that's how we got to it.
Like even this particular
size of zipper or the fact that, you
know, for people who know, they know
that that's like carhe heart.
Even though the car heart tag isn't
there anymore, you just know by the
shape of it. you feel it. So it it
abstracts it takes into like this cubist
place like Picasso Matise or African
cubism or uh Dire Straits Money for
Nothing and your chicks for free. Look
at that band. I wouldn't think you could
reference uh D Straits. Look at you.
That video. Yeah, I know. It's a great
video. That your encyclopedic knowledge
of music is great. I think that you know
porn is not just sexual. That term
actually relates to torture. Like you
know what I'm saying? like watching
people beat each other up on on World
Star or something, you know? It's like
that's called torture porn. There's also
food porn. How do you explain that?
What's food porn? Food porn is like
looking at really delicious cakes and
cookies and steak and so on and you're
like, "Holy shit." Exactly.
Architecture. Like there's people who
love architecture. When they see
architecture, I know I got friends that
be like, "Oh, that's porn." Yeah.
Architecture. Yeah. Yeah. It's like uh
that's like love. like dopamine fueled
love for a thing. Yeah, we need That's
beautiful. I think that's beautiful.
Well, I think as long as nobody's
getting hurt, the intoxication
that people have, you know, the worst
part is like when one person's in love
and the other person's in like.
That's us right now. Well, who's in
like? No, cuz you said you love Bill
Maher and you like me.
N and and and I love you. So that was
that was No, I I actually love you both.
All right. All right. And the funny
thing is like um as a
as a visionary, visionaries are
more extreme
than business people
because a visionary would do bad
business for their vision. A business
person will never do bad business. It's
well put. Yeah, it's really well put. So
when you say I don't care about money,
it's like yeah, I I feel you. Like I
feel that I care in a way that I need
that, but
I care about the vision that I have to a
Steve Jobs level to the point of
putting that above
my regular human existence. meaning
having to go and take all the arrows
that I become a soldier of division
because
someone could say a wife could say to
like say like in the 60s um their
husband's about to go to war.
The the wife may not want their husband
to go to war
because of their children,
but he's going to war
because of their children.
Definitely. Do you regret any aspect of
just giving everything to your vision? I
mean, you've spoken about that saying
like I got fucked over in the business
side. I promise that I had to stop
envying
cool people
at their current cool time.
If anything, if someone's cool and I say
their name a lot, I'm gonna flash
the light on them so much that it ages
their coolness. It's actually a war
technique
showered in compliments. Yeah. You know,
because that that you that to be able to
stay at 45 years old to still be the bad
kid in class at 45 I'm still in the
principal's office because if you look
at like say fashion, right? If you think
of something fashionable, it's probably
going to look like the kid in the
principal's office. That's going to be
the fashion. And that's part of the
reason why I'm the most influential
person at fashion in fashion because I
refuse to leave the principal's office.
If the substitute teacher comes in, I'm
going to say, "You got a big butt."
Yeah. I'm going to get and they're going
to right back right back to the
principal's office and people going to
be like, "Yo,
and that's what you keep on saying like,
who can we talk to cuz no one can talk
to me. No one. I'm out of control, bro.
It's just God, then me, and then fuck
everybody. You know what I mean? That's
how I That's really how I live my life.
And I just want to say this one thing
about the children thing. I wanted to,
you know, put that point together. Put
that idea together that I don't like the
word point. I'm really big on like
words. Words being powerful, says the
person with the sleepy tweet. Um, so
you're full of contradictions. Yeah. I'm
human being, right? It's like some days
I'm like I I could go 30 days and be
celibate, you know, like really like I'm
a monk. I'm being like faithful to God
and then I'll go like working out, no
carbs. Like my weight will fluctuate.
And I'll have times I'm like I don't
feel like being told what to do. So I
don't want to work out with a trainer
and I just want to drink this Hennessy.
But I want to say this thing that I will
text to Kim sometimes. I'll say, you
know,
you may not understand
what I'm doing right now, but you will.
And that's what I would say to everyone.
You may not understand what I'm doing.
And this gives a little bit. Maybe we're
like 20% there. But there's still going
to be people we leave this interview and
they like, I still don't like the way he
apologized. I still don't want to say
what mo my involvement would have been
to make him lead him to that point and
we just want things to be how they are.
There's people in the world who want the
world to stay as it is and there's
people who want to change the world and
that's happened throughout time. They
say that with Da Vinci halfway into a
conversation he could not suffer fools
so much that he would walk away halfway
into the conversation. And I said,
"Well, that's why it's the Da Vinci Code
and not the Da Vinci world." And every
time I go and piss off a group of people
or do these things on some end, it's
like I could be turning my thing from a
potential world vision to a code
or I could be opening up conversations
with new friends that I may trust
someday. Yeah, that's beautiful. That's
beautiful. that that because the change
you will have on the world that you
don't know for sure but it will happen
across
uh years even decades. So you have to
think in the future like you're working
in the future your actions are working
in the future and a lot of people will
judge this conversation and others
you've done and so on in the present and
that doesn't matter. You know why I
apologize why I say I'm sorry to the
Jewish people that I hurt. It's not
about like I said oh I said I'm not
going to hold this apology hostage right
it's obviously it's about God but God is
everything right so what's the point of
having language and being you can't
engineer if you say God God right it's
like it's God asks us to be judgmental
so that you become if you're a doctor
right it's your judgment that saves
grandma right and God puts that in there
like we have inside us we're a piece of
God also
Right. So, I'm going to go specific to a
person.
That story about Da Vinci alone is
enough of a reason for me to give a
sincere apology to the Jewish people
because I do believe that there's a Da
Vinci code inside of all of my
misspellings and scribbles right here
that God wants me to get to the world.
And when I'm in my way, if God has set
something on me, when I'm in my way, I'm
in God's way. Now, I can point at other
people and say, "Hey, you guys are in
God's way because you're not listening
to me." But if I'm in my way, I'm not
listening to God. And for me to be a
philosopher and a leader or whatever
other language, I have to listen to God.
So before God, what I would do is start
off as a samurai
and say, "I'm sorry for hurting you as a
Jewish person. I'm sorry for the way
that made you feel and I'm sorry for the
entire
uh population of a race that I feel is
actually my brothers cuz I classify and
feel that I'm also connected with Christ
in that way, that my people came from
Africa in that way." And I can't say
it's this exact teaching or that exact
teaching, but I feel that there's an
important, you know, the sons of
Abraham, however we want to word it,
right, for us to come together and bring
our different talents together to serve
God collectively. And he, as much of a
alien as I am, he does not cause me, he
did not call for me to alienate. And
that's what the problem has been,
especially in politics and in America.
He placed America as the TV, as the
radio to the world. We invented rock and
roll, right? We are the influencers of
the rest of the planet. We're the We're
the youngest startup in history, right?
We're the youngest country. We're the
We're the youngest superpower, right? So
for me in my position, the fact that I
can talk to Trump one day and be at a
game with Kim Kardashian the next day
and then be at Paris Fashion Week, they
don't want me to be involved with
language of decisive, divisive language,
you know, proving that I can be just as
racist as a racist white person. Oh, I
can I can be a racist black person also.
That's not what God has called me to do.
So, how do I simplify and say, "Hey, to
you as a visionary, as a as an engineer,
as a person that's given me a platform
that as my brother, I want to apologize
to you for how that made you feel. And
to the rest of the people that carry
specifically that pain, not the pain
that I talk about. That doesn't seem to
be as much of a pain for people when I
talk about the abortion clinics and
stuff. That's it's like that's an argued
pain even in my own community. Like not
everyone thinks that's a pain. But for
the Jewish community, it's collectively
this was a pain. And I've gone I've gone
so far just psychologically on this
journey since that statement had
happened where I didn't want to like
give up the candy in my pocket. I didn't
want to say, "Hey, I stuck my c my hand
in the candy jar." I wanted to defend my
freedom of speech. I wanted to do this.
But even with freedom of speech, pain is
pain. Causing people to hurt is not
helping. Causing people to hurt is not
helping. So that means I have to take a
a more sophisticated approach to
engineering this problem. This problem
is the opportunity. And yes, that what
could some people may deem as a mistake.
Would it be more genuine if I called it
a mistake?
I think I would be uh hypocritical by
calling a mistake with what the ending
of that the idea I'm going to say out
loud. So I I'm not I don't try to be a
hypocrite on purpose. Uh so but I will
call it a mistake to add a genuine uh to
be genuine about the feeling with that
mistake
with me as a human being.
Not to justify, but I have to state that
God makes no mistakes because if I
hadn't made that mistake, I wouldn't be
in front of you today. And that's not to
justify
this
uh sleepy text, but I can tell you're a
man that has love in his heart. And I
hear that I hear it through the words
explicitly, implicitly. And I I think if
we're to engineer a better future, the
way to do that is with love.
So, as one human to another, I love you,
brother. Thank you for talking today.
This is great.
I like you, too. Son of a bitch.
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