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if I hate you that's great but if I have
a story to support that hate that's even
better uh one of your favorite words
Jihad that's my favorite hobbies it
doesn't matter now who do you vote into
power they will not listen to you they
would listen to the people who paid them
to be there when the military came in
people were walking to me like pointing
their fingers like don't speak about C
you don't speak about the Army huh we
love you now but don't you you don't
would like that so I called John was
like I don't know what to do and he said
the most interesting thing ever and say
if you're afraid of something make fun
about the fact that you're afraid of
it the following is a conversation with
bosam youf a legendary Egyptian American
comedian the so-called John Stewart of
the Middle East who fearlessly sazed
those in power even when his job and
life were on the line boss is a
beautiful human being it was truly a
pleasure for me to get to know him and
to have this fun fascinating and
challenging
conversation this is Alex Freedman
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dear friends here's bosam
Yousef your wife is half Palestinian and
I've heard you say they've been trying
to kill her but she keeps using the kids
as human Shields so have you considered
negotiating a ceasefire well the thing
is every day every minute of the day in
a married life is a negotiation
everything can blow up into a fullscale
war starting from a simple sentence like
good morning what should we do with the
kids today what should we do with that
piece of furniture any sentence can lead
you to heaven or to hell in the same
time so you do negotiate with terrorists
oh yeah yeah 100% yeah and for her I am
her terrorist too so it's equal
Terrorist on both sides on a more
serious note when you found out about
the attacks of October 7th what went
through your mind if I'm allowed to use
a curse word I I was like as many as
possible I like oh part of my
stand-up comedy is I describe a
situation where I was in a restaurant
with producers and there was a bombing
two blocks away in Chelsea New York in
206 and of course this is the like damn
what's going to happen to us now and and
and there's like two different reaction
there's like the white reaction which is
like oh my God I hope nobody is heard
this is terrible I hope everybody's okay
and there's the Arab reaction what's his
name what's is his name what is the name
you know because you know what's going
to come it's kind
of I was scared what's going to really
happen in that area and it's like oh my
God it's going to be horrible and the
way that it was
reported I I didn't know how to handle
this so I basically I went into hiding
for a few days 3 4 days and I talked
about Piers Morgan uh Team talking to me
two times three times I like no I can't
how can I you defend that how can you
defend the rape the decapitated babies
and whatever and then I started kind of
looking in the news a little bit and
then I started seeing people coming on
the shows and saying things that I know
as an Arab as a Muslim as someone from
that region that it's not
true but I didn't know how to how what
to say how to say it so I said by the
third time when they asked me I said
like fine put me on and I went there it
was more of a figurativ speaking a
suicide mission
and uh because it's a l lose situation I
can I can lose stuff in Hollywood I can
I even I remember my manager like
Bess be careful I mean are you sure you
want to do it are you my managers was
like please don't do it please don't do
it and on the other side if I don't
perform well whatever well means I'm
going to be rejected by my own people so
it's a it was a lose-lose situation
because whatever I say it will never be
enough and whatever I say will not be
good enough and uh I was going into
there and I I felt that I was going into
a trance for the 33 minutes that I was
on the on that interview for the first
time you blacked out I blacked out I
blacked out and a lot of people ask me
is the earpiece was that a bit when the
earpiece kept falling it's like no it
was really falling off and it
disconnected and I had to save it
because I cannot see them all I can hear
I can just hear them and I could
expecting at any time okay B thank you I
like I I I was fighting for every second
to say words to put stuff in there yeah
for people who don't know this is your
conversation interview with Pierce
Morgan and you could see I couldn't see
I was just like the lens with the camera
and I just a real dream or nightmare
yeah hello W like hello W like hi and it
could end at any moment your career and
everything everything yeah yeah so what
was the drive that got you to actually
do it to overcome that fear multiple
things first of all I don't want to say
it's just my wife's family because my
wife's family has always been there but
this time was different the the the
bombing the attack they they usually one
of those people that they are away of
everything when whatever happened in
Gaza they are always in safe places but
this time it seems that there was no
place safe and already we heard about
like two three of the of the cousins and
the uh uncles already lost their home so
this was too much so I I I wanted to say
something for those people because I
know that you know I I made I made one
of the jokes that I made about like oh
you know it's Hassen her cousin he's a
loser he's a doctor he's a doctor and he
every time a hospital was bombed we were
worried about him so I wanted to to say
that because I felt that these are this
is a family that I have never seen in my
life I've never she she actually hardly
saw an uncle or two because you know
they cannot
leave but I I said like I need to speak
at least I do something for those
extended family that I have never known
but also
because when when when P Morgan team
called me a couple of times said okay
let's let's see what's going on in the
show and I just watch the stuff and the
lies and the one ided reporting that
made my blood boil and then I thought
like what why am I what am I afraid of
I'm afraid of if I say something I can
lose my career like wait a minute but
that was the reason why I left Egypt I
said wait I left I came to United States
I came to the land of the free where I
can say anything I want and yet I have
limitation of what to say I mean I
thought we left that behind I mean
what's happening and I understand I
understand the connection of how
sensitive it is when you you speak about
Israel and all of the readymade
accusations but as a as an Arab as a
Muslim I don't react the same when you
talk about Saudi Arabia or Iran or Egypt
or any of them it's like hey you you
want you want to diss some of these
countries I'll I'll do that with you
because I have strong opinions about
what happened and I already been
expressing them but when I talk that's
why I and I speak and and there's a lot
of Jewish people who come to my show and
they understand that they understand
that the separation
but that kind of a grouping of
blackmailing people and saying and not
saying what they have in their mind it
is that kind of like one of the things
that kind of like push push me to go on
the show the thing that was bothering
you was it what was being said or how it
was being said both because there are
lies which is usually in the media but
there was the total disregard of
humanity you talk a lot about in your
show about human suffering and I felt
that here the human suffering was not
equal I felt that's why I came up with
this like what's the exchange rate today
what's the exchange rate today there's
there's of course it's terrible to see
anybody die but when I feel that like is
it isn't our life not worth anything
yeah you had a chart um to crypto from
an invest you analyze it from an
investing perspective of course in the
dark
and you were saying that a certain year
was a good year yeah 2014 2014 was a
good year for in invest me purposes and
also to to refer to the to family member
that you called the loser you were
saying that uh you you called him had a
conversation with him and he keeps
saying that he's not using anybody for
human Shields and you called him a loser
what do you you can't even give a job a
liar he lied to us because I have to
believe but this is what the one thing
it's like it's also one of the things
like how it was said it was stuff that
I've been hearing I don't know what what
turned on on my head but it's stuff that
I've been hearing all my life from the
media Israel warns civilians before
bombing them and that's okay but that's
not okay Israel is trying to minimize
the civilians but killing them anyway
and that's okay but that's not okay so
it is kind of like the indoctrination
that we've been hearing as if it is okay
and then suddenly it's not yeah there's
a kind
of several layers of almost
sometimes hiding the obvious horror of
the
situation with kind of politeness and
all this kind of stuff just the basic
value of human life that said it's a
difficult situation it is it is what
would you do if you were Israel BB
called you aome big fan big fan of your
comedy mhm um first of all would you
hang up right away would you hear him
out no I definitely hear him out like
that like wait a minute that's Mater
that's
that's material man I like so n called
me I was sitting with my family just
like my phone like oh
nyaho yeah just shows up that way I mean
what would you do what would you do in
the situation to answer this question we
need to understand how Israel thinks
there is an incredible speech given by
gon Levy the famous Israeli repor
ands and he describes a situation where
he was in the West Bank and there was a
checkpoint
and in that checkpoint there was an
ambulance with a Palestinian patient and
it was there sitting for an hour and a
half not moving and then he went to talk
to the soldiers like guys why are you
not letting them go it's like I let them
go like and and then he told them
imagine if he was your father and the
soldier stood up like what these are
pigs these are not humans so when you
tell me what would you do if Israel
would do it really needs to we need to
ask how does Israel look at the
Palestinian and view the Palestinians
because they do look at them less than
human and there is an incredible talk uh
by mior Meyer he was a holocaust
Survivor and he said I learned in aitz
when I was there in the concentration
camp that in order for a group of
dominant group of people to dehumanize
another group they need first to
dehumanize
themselves and Israel looks at
Palestinians as lesser people as lesser
beings as some people who are
dispensable and the way that they treat
them is that they don't really care
about like that's why that the exchange
rate thing so for me if I am Israel I it
will be like what would you do if you're
the United States in the time of the
Native Americans they were killing
people with the millions when you
dehumanize a group of people you really
don't care so if I was Israel I would do
exactly what Israel is doing right now
because there's no one is holding me
accountable there's no one stopping me
and I can get whatever I want throughout
my history through violence I think a
lot of the things you just said are a
tiny bit slightly exaggerated so let me
let me try let's lete try so not
everybody in Israel of so let's let's
look
at um several groups so people in
government IDF
soldiers and citizens that are neither
of those
and not everybody of any of those uh
sees Palestinians as less than human
just some percentage so what percentage
is that in your sense it's the people
who have the power so it's mostly the
focus of your commentary when you say
people in Israel you really mean the
people in power the people have in power
but but but as much as like I of course
I mean the people in power because when
I speak about even when I speak about
America I speak about people in power
when I speak about Egypt I speak the
people of power because like I can't
really talk about the 100 million people
in Egypt or the 11 million people in
Israel of course not there are people
who go in and they demonstrate against
Netanyahu and they want him out of the
government but we have to admit that the
isra society at a whole have moved quite
bit to the right and has been has been
like many extreme and you know what
happens when you go to the right or you
go to the most extreme the other person
go to the most extreme and extremism
breeds extremism so thank you for the
clarification but like I really meant
with the people of power when people
criticize the United States States for
going in Iraq of course I'm not
criticizing citizens but you made
another point which is an interesting
point and it's very difficult to see in
the heart of people but I wonder if you
look at the average Palestinian and the
average Israeli and when they look at
the other do they have some hate in
their heart well everybody probably has
some what is that amount you know when
you look at a person that looks
different than you how much hate is
there it depends on what do the living
situation of each person so in the
Berlin Film Festival just like a few
couple of weeks ago there was an Israeli
and a Palestinian receiving an award
together and the Israeli director said
we're going to go back to Israel he's
going to go to the West Bank he will
have no rights and I will have full
living rights these people manag to work
together and be friends and they have
empathy to each other now the
average
Palestinian it's a very difficult
question because is it the Palestinian
in the diaspora or the Palestinian in
Gaza or the diaspora in the West Bank or
the one in the citizen of as a citizen
of Israel who still have less right than
a romal citizen of Israel as a
Jew and it really depends if I am there
are people in Arabs in Israel who are
having a great life and there are people
Arabs who are having a a miserable life
but definitely people that living in G
or in the West Bank is kind of like on
the lower tier of the living conditions
now let's talk about the hate what does
that Palestinian see from the
Israeli the Palestinian see oppression
limitation of movement limitation of
Freedom they have and then when there's
something happens you see the full force
coming in destroying their home taking
away members of his family there will be
absolutely no reason for him to love the
other the Israeli because he you know he
doesn't have the power but he lives
under his government all he sees is the
rocket or whatever but like he sees the
reaction and he doesn't see what
happened to those and as humans we are
selfish we see what really affects us as
humans and I cannot even imagine what it
would be like to live as a Palestinian
and I'm not even talk about Gaza because
everybody talks about Gaza but let me
give you an example and I'm not going to
talk about the 12,000 kids killed in
Gaza let's talk about just like the four
weeks in the West
Bank March 4th Amar Nar H1 sitting next
to his father shot in a while he's
sitting in a car next to his father by
the IDF solders Muhammad zad 13 years
old March 3rd shot in front of a un
School while in season with his friends
Muhammad ganim age 15 March 2nd he shot
while standing in front of a St front
during a night trade February 23rd s Jal
he he was killed by a drone fire
February 22nd F San killed while
standing in front of the top of a Red
Cross
building uh Nel Nel zad February 14th
Valentine's Day killed a shot in the
head while leaving school February 11th
Muhammad katur US citizens killed while
being in a park car and mu Shams
February 9th killed right in front of
his home because a military
came reversing back to him and then
somebody opened the door shot him and
leave this is a daily life of people in
the West Bank what is the the
justification that IDF
provides
terrorism terrorism or I don't know I
mean you cannot really say like human
Shields but they would say like they
were throwing rocks there was a guy who
went on Chris Rock and he said like his
son a US citizen would kill and like
they were throwing rocks so we killed
him even when they were throwing rocks
you kill him but the thing is you see
this is how easy for them to get rid of
Palestines I mean I love like I I was I
had to say I prepared a little bit for
the podcast because you are in Tech so
and I I am ignorant in tech there is a
movie called The LAB it is uh directed
by an Israeli director called utam
Feldman and he talks about
how the the military uh uh industry in
Israel is very
Advanced and what is really mindboggling
is in that movie he shows how the
military tests its weapons in the field
in urban areas on
Palestinians it it it is it is
heartbreaking you know as a doctor
there's five stages of Trials there is
like uh there's Discovery preclinical
clinical and then
uh market and then postmarket evaluation
by the FDA the FDA value approval and
then FDA post Market five just to take a
pill and you go in and and he interviews
people as like where did you test this
they test it in the field so when when
you just like when human life is so is
so cheap and it is so
indispensable it made me it gave me a
vis reaction because you know we as hum
this has been actually the the the state
of humanity Humanity have lived and
survived and th by actually killing each
other but there was kind of like we were
remotely we were removed from it people
in Greece didn't know what the Alexander
the Great was doing he was killing and
paging like we call him the great
because but he was killing he was he was
conquering he was invading Julius Cesar
all of the greats he would doing but
killing was difficult killing had to
have some sort you have to be with your
enemy then you go back catapults then
cannons then a little bit back from and
then you're kind of like starting
remotely now you're killing people
behind the screen with a button with a
push of a button you know a lot of
people say terrorism they killed you
with a knife killed one person with a
knife shot you that's terrorism but if
you fly A $64 million F-16 and you drop
up an a84 bomb that CA $16,000 that's
not terrorism because it's remote you're
behind the screen so what happened what
Israel is doing it is removing itself
like America too drones and then when
you push someone to be in to they always
about bombing them to the stone
ages what happens when the screens and
the all of the obstacles that you have
been put between you and those people
that you have treated them this way when
this is a breach and you come face to
face you will come face to face with
what you have created yeah there's a lot
of interesting things you just said so
one is the methodology of killing if you
want to look at some horrific large
scale killing people of talk about the
Holocaust but that's visceral you can
look at hollmore by Stalin where the
murder is through starvation by by by
Churchill in India in Churchill in India
uh and the Great Leap Forward by Ma y so
starvation is a thing we don't often
think of it as murder because it's quiet
it's slow and the interesting thing
about starvation is that the people
don't complain as they're dying because
they're exhausted MH that's one and the
other is the value of human life it does
seem that every culture has a unequal
valuation of human life so those two
things combined create a
complicated um military landscape of the
world yes but the thing is is that how
we look at technology as the Savior as
talk about how AI disrupt will disrupt
will disrupt will disrupt and now if you
go you talk about like going to the West
Bank the people in the West Bank walk
and they don't see humans they see
people shouting them from Towers or
behind the screens or doing and they
have like Biometrics that is developed
by basil system like that's done by HP
or or Google and Amazon who are like
part of project Nimbus and and you see
IND
division developing all of this like
metric and surveillance and all of that
stuff and then you have like something
like the gospel that like people have
actually said that that the gospel can
actually create a Target list using Ai
and give you a green yellow or a red to
go go ahead and now ai is not just
disrupting the market it's disrupting
our humanity and it is we became so
comfortable killing people from afar
killing people with a push of the button
and now it is it is like it's like
dating apps you know when you when you
swipe left and right you it's like oh
right it becomes so like cheap it's not
like meeting someone it's like oh it's
like a lot of fish in the sea same with
AI boom 500 people killed boom they
killed it's so easy it's so easy it's so
easy and then it's so far removed from
you so when you put these people in this
condition you have literally put them in
a different Universe than
yours you are behind in your air
conditioned screens like pushing them
blowing up a un a university it's
amazing but then you meet the the what
you have done that you meet the
Frankenstein that you have created and
then people are like oh look what they
do to us you just gave me this image of
a uh a dating app from hell where
leaders are just sitting there and kind
of swiping left invade
destroy just Bor puppet
government yeah and then turn off the
phone go to sleep uh so I got you know I
traveled to the West Bank and I
mentioned to you Offline that I really
loved the people there just um you I've
met a bunch of people like that in in
Eastern Europe where I grew
up uh yeah like the flamboyant the big
personalities all of that U I also met
uh a person who's in charge of a refugee
camp who was shoping IDF
solder and um I'm not sure the words he
said are important as the consequences
of the thing that you mentioned which is
the Deep hate in his eyes mhm that was
didn't feel reparable at all it was pain
it was like a foundation of pain and on
top of that a hatred and it was like wow
this is what you kill you kill one
person that's is what you
create because we have kind of like a
front row seat to what's happening we we
think we're in it but we can't really
grasp it I mean people like oh we just
going to go in get Hamas out and we're
going to get them back in m and what
about the people get back in how do you
think they would look at
you what have you
created what have you
done my show in Egypt was all about
propaganda it's all about the use of
words words are very important the
decapitated babies were not
chosen randomly because you see it it
plants certain image in your brain
imagine if you're going in what a baby
can do it can smile cry and poop that's
it is absolutely no threat so when you
tell people 40 decapitated babies they
are so animalistic they didn't see the
babies women raped of course he's anamal
to do that and they would go through
that and they would what was very
frustrating about the conversation is
the Gish Galloping the Gish Galloping
throwing you see the dist ractions you
see what happens like like what's the
proportionate response can Israel defend
itself do you condemn Hamas does Israel
has the right to exist decapitated
babies raped women why don't the Arab
countries take them why don't the musl
Muslims kill Muslims look what happened
in Yemen in Syria in Iraq like see see
how they kind of distract you they throw
little things at you so you don't know
what to do oh the honor the unn
anti-semitic October 7th October 7th
October 7th and then suddenly you are
distracted and pulled into discussing
all of these little things and you
discussing what's happening right now it
is basically stalling giving them time
to do what they do so there's uh there's
some degree to the propaganda the so the
beheaded babies and all this kind of
stuff
that is so over the top that it shuts
down actual conversation about actual
wrongs war crimes on both sides M so
it's overstating it to where everyone on
social media and everywhere in the press
and everywhere is arguing almost become
desensitized to actual horrors of death
which are more mundane they're not so
dramatic as beheaded babies because
people people a baby is shot but
decapitated babies there's like a knife
blade that goes into the skin the
trachea the flesh the spine decapitated
like how like you can just like he's
dead no you go in this is the hate so
much hate and you know that's why you
have made me
laugh at the darkest you're such a
beautiful person your dark humor is just
wonderful but but you see this happened
to Jews before remember blood liel where
did the blood liel come from it come
from these rumors that Jews suck baby's
blood this is what they did to them
that's what's in the cup
exactly that's a very delicious baby
delicious baby but but this is what you
do you you tell people something and it
happened with the Native Americans when
they were here when when they went and
they wipe a whole tribe so and and and
and and Jewish people one of the like
the minorities that were persecuted and
had this used against them for a very
long time and it is terrible and it's
terrifying that's been used again so I I
just did a very lengthy debate on Israel
and
Palestine and the really painful thing
from that there's two historians it was
it was deep it was thorough it was
fascinating
but in constantly asking about sources
of Hope or Solutions there was none
there was a there was a sense of like a
really dark sense of it's hopeless from
both sides it's
hopeless uh so you know I Look to
You for for
source for a source of Hope do you have
is is there any hope here Solutions
shortterm long-term Obama have kind of
summarized this beautifully in his book
He said the reason why the Israeli
Palestinian conflict is so chronic is
one side have so much power and the
other side have absolutely no power and
that's what one he said he said like you
have Israel that fa basically don't
listen to us because they are supported
by people who are bigger than the
president bigger than Administration
they know that they can I mean like you
OB like Netanyahu was caught on tape
many times saying like he's basically
like belittling Americans like I we we
control 80% of the population we don't
care they this has kind of like non
chalen kind of like uh we we have
them and there's nothing really that
compels Israel to give up anything
because at the end of the day what is
compromise compromise is like I give
something you give something Israel is
not giving anything and they project
that on you so for example how many
times have we heard like oh Palestinians
were giving like four five 6 seven 15
chances and they said no to them and yet
when you read the history that's not the
case at all like for
example in 20 the whole idea about like
Arafat walked away from Oso that didn't
happen and there is an Incredible video
by you know uh what's his name Joe SC
scoro with Misha and they were hosting
her father uh brazinski he was the uh
National Security adviser and Jo carabo
said like well you know like Arafat left
the oo C and the Palestinians and then
bis are like this is like embarrassingly
shallow
it's like listen what happened was there
was a lot of catches on the oso Court it
was very unfair to the Palestinian so AR
said like I agree but I need to take it
to the Arab capitals and and and they
went to ins and they went to Sharm they
came to Egypt and he and H Barak went to
there and then bar left because there
was election and he lost theel Shon came
and it was Destro this is one of the
reason why people it is it's kind of
like
facts don't matter as much as what is
the narrative that is being controlled
but what what were the biggest barriers
to peace there do do you think it's
fundamentally leaders don't want a two
St solution or was there nuanced small
differences that if solved could have
led to us to two State solution I mean
there was a maybe there was a certain
point when the Israeli leaders were
more open to compromise but I can't say
that because each time Israel gives back
land it it has to be after some use of
force the the 1973 War the Ina the first
and second the the the the casualties in
Kaza they never give up land willingly
and because of Peace because if I have
that much military I can do whatever I
want why would I give up anything I have
that much power why would America or
China give everything if they're so
powerful and especially if they are have
this kind of open check from the United
States so it is it is really
about what can push Israel to give up
something because you are so much
stronger than me what could compel you
to give up
something and this is why the whole
thing about like trying to equalize
Palestinians and the Israeli state and
government it doesn't make any sense so
what is the source of hope you know John
Stewart who will'll talk about it from
many angles uh somebody you admire a
friend uh he proposed a two-state
solution look look look to the comedians
for Hope yes well everybody's talking
about the two-state contion but Israel
has said many times on nyaho and Ben
like there there's going to be no State
solutions they in the past is like even
even neali Benet he came in on the on on
hard talk us like yeah maybe in the past
we wanted two State Solutions but like
look every time we give them land they
kill us so no State solution and they
openly saying it that's perhaps rhetoric
rhetoric that is supported by action
because look at what they're doing in
the the West Bank that you said they are
cutting it illegal settlement me peac
mealing it so how is if you have an
intention at all to give them anything
why would you keep do keep doing this
and you've called it a bunch of little
Gaza yes it's a nice little picture of
what's Happening peace mealing itum
because it is what happened in the past
4 months the Palestinians have been
micro doing on it for a very long time
little by little little by little and we
would shout every time when it gets too
much and then we shut down and then
little by little but this time it was
hard it was hard to see the
blatant oppression and the word
said maybe the Hamas Ministry of the
health are giving us the bad numbers
maybe it's just human and I I I laugh
there's 13,000 babies killed does that
mean that there
13,000 military Target hiding in their
diapers because it is so it doesn't make
any sense to kill that maybe just like
oh oops is out of our head it's hard to
know what to do with those numbers I
mean I just one baby is enough but you
know what happens when you hear so many
numbers numbers become numbers and you
become so desensitized
and this is why there's a difference
between
saying 13,000 Palestinian kid did it's
like milain an Israeli baby 10 month old
she was killed in her crib and this is
what we hear from CNN we never hear a
story about a Palestinian kid that's why
thank you for giving me the space for
saying the names of the Palestinian CH
children that were killed just for four
weeks do like it's it's
because humans needs context they need
depth they need like a a 3D look at what
they can look at but if you just get
numbers oh they don't mean anything is
there some degree to where both
leaderships Hamas PA Palestinian
Authority Israel all want
war like Perpetual War to to remain in
power there is that's that's an
interesting uh
question but I mean let's admit
something the Arab regimes in the in the
area have actually used the problem of
Palestine in order to stay in power in
order to take get excuses like have this
enemy and Israel the the Israeli
government has used that too and maybe
the Palestinians
but but my problem with when going into
discussion this is that the the two
sides are not equal they're not equal in
power they're not equal in influence and
they're not equal in international
supports especially with the United
States so Palestinians can the people
who have made changes in history were
the people with power the people who
would have the ability to change things
and the Palestinians cannot really
change and what what can they change
well is that true though with uh how
much support the Palestinian people have
so just like you said there's a lot of
Arab states that are uh that will voice
their Pro Palestinian position in order
to distract from their the own
corruption and abuses of power in their
own countries but you know I don't think
if you look globally there's a complete
asymmetry of power and public opinion
here maybe in the press in the west but
if you look globally but do they have
the same kind of weapons that the Israel
have so literally power no there's a
major asymmetry of literal power some
money to their leaders does that make
any difference I mean and also when you
say Palestinian Authority which
authority are you talking about Hamas or
the Palestinian Authority who has been
kind of a domesticated kind of like a
puppy for the Palestinian who basically
have been an informant for the OWN on on
their own people and this is the the
thing also that kind of like really
pissed me off when I was hearing the
thing about about they think like Hamas
Hamas Hamas Hamas like we have Netanyahu
on tape confessing that he supported
Hamas gave him money in order to cause
factions in the in in between the
Palestinians so it's just like it
doesn't make you just told me this m you
just told me this you just told me
support H like but ham like what I mean
to which degree does n yahu
represent the Israeli people is is a is
a real question to which point does
Trump or Biden represent the American
people and to which degree does Hamas
represent the Palestinian people does
none of these represent it but who have
the power in order to make the decisions
it really comes down to that well who
does have the power are are you you're
giving a lot of power to Israel
yeah but the the Arab League what should
Hames do what do you think we should
Hames do continue doing what a charter
says which is trying to destroy Israel
and the role of the Palestinian people
is to overthrow Hamas and get a more
moderate leadership probably and the
role of the Israeli people is to vote
out this right-wing
government and elect a more moderate
leader so that there's a chance at peace
with two moderate leaders so before h
even got to control 2006 Gaza there was
AEL Chiron in 2000 MH and we all know
what happened and I Shon kind of like
had made came up with this amazing
policy of like breaking people's uh kids
bones in the in so he baraki was also
like I mean which one is moderate me I
think is Hamas is a product of what
happened I mean we can if if there was
no aperti in in in South Africa there
will be no NFC there will be no nson
Mandela if there was no Nazis in in in
Paris there will be no French Resistance
and I'm not saying that and and again
I'm not I I would don't want to be in a
put in a position to defend Hamas or
anybody because you know what that
entails
but there are those are like Hamas again
not defending them they went into
October 7th what was their what what
they why why did they did that like
release our hostages the people in
prison because if you're talking about
people who were kidnapped Israel kidnaps
people every single day and when they
had that the first Exchange in November
4th Israel Le 400 people 3/4 of them
were women and children why are those
people in prison there's one in four
kids that are in prison that stay in
solitary confinement which is by
international law a form of torture and
you're putting kids through that is it
possible so first of all ceasefire yes
and longer term is it possible for Arab
states and the United States to get
together and with
power through diplomacy en force a
solution it's a very very ideal solution
but you know and I know that the Arab
states don't really have the power all
of the powers are in the hands of
America they have the power see I would
I think they have the power I don't
maybe they don't want to use it they
don't well that's maybe because there's
a benefit like the dark the dark sense I
have is that a lot of people win from
the suffering that Palestinians are
going through because they can point to
that and distract from definitely def
corruption in their own States and then
obviously Iran can benefit also from the
same kind of dynamic uh distracting
from the uh the authoritarian nature of
their regime definitely but what is the
core of the problem here is it the Arab
states using the suffering or the
actually the the the suffering itself
and the suffering comes from people
being displaced their homes were taken
away there are 7 million Palestinians in
diaspora 7 Millions 7 million went out
there and now they're living in Canada
and America and Europe they had homes
there they cannot go back
to 1.7 million people of the people in
Gaza don't belong and Gaza they were
pushed from other places the the peace
meal thing of people are being you
know in in
Germany I'm I'm going to shift gear a
little bit it's going to be a little bit
of fun there is a there's a book that I
bought the rights to and I want to turn
it into a movie and i b i optioned the
right for two month for for two years in
March of last year before October 7th
after October 7th I bought the permanent
right mhm that book is
called the Muslim and the Jew and it is
written by an author called Ron and
Stein I read an article about this book
in
2016 and I chased that book for rights
for seven years I didn't have that much
money but I wanted that book and that
book was translated into English called
an and Dr helmy and that book tells the
incredible story under Nazi
Germany where
Arabs went and droves to Berlin in 1920s
after the first world war in the vi
Republic and they became doctors and
engineers and journalists for two
reasons number one it was dir cheap very
cheap because of the inflation and two a
lot of the Arab nationalists didn't want
to send their kids to to England or
France because they were the
occupiers and Dr helmy was the hero of
that he's an Egyptian doctor and that's
why I kind of like I personally kind of
connected with him and he went to scho
uh medical
school didn't find a place to live so he
lived in the Jewish ghetto like many
Arabs he didn't find a school to work at
a hospital to work in so he worked in a
Jewish
hospital so these are there was a lot of
ARS who lived with the the G and
actually the the first director of the
Berlin mosque with a Jewish con convert
who converted to Islam and he was a gay
activist I'm telling you this is like a
crazy story and this all this is not a
fiction story this not this is actually
like a nonfiction it's written actually
based on the statement the documents of
the Nazis
Ando Dr
heny he was in this hospital and the
Nazis came in and they killed and
tortured and beat up the Jewish doctor
and he made they made him the head of
his Department then he was now he's
surrounded by Nazi doctor they didn't
touch him because he was an Arab there
was kind of like a thing between Germany
and the Arabs because they wanted to
appease to them mhm in order to have
kind of
a a grassroot base in the Arab word
where he want to go next mhm and this is
why 1934 1935 the racial laws of
norenberg they had a name change first
they were called anti-semitic then they
changed into anti-jewish because also
Arabs were semetic so they wanted to
appease the Arabs now what happened to
Dr heli when that happened to him he
would go back to the
ghetto and he would see the apartments
next to him the Jewish apartment become
more and more and more flooded with
people because they were moving Jews and
pushing them and putting them
together pushing them to the side and
each H each plat each flat each
apartment instead of one family it would
have three four six seven families and
he was there b it home and he looked he
was he was there this is where the
people he grew up with he he he lived
with and now he's seeing that kind of
discrimination just because he was an
Arab and then he he started to kind of
like atone for like because he felt
responsible because he wasn't treated
the same way and he started to go and
treat Jewish people in their homes
because they couldn't go to hospitals
and then one family gave them his
daughter it's like this is Anna save her
he took her pretend ended to cheese his
niece put a hijab around her taught her
Arabic called her Nadia my not my
daughter's name by the way and they and
and he hid her in plain sights for seven
years in front of the Nazis as his nurse
it's an incredible story and then not
just that he went to prison and then he
went out and he formed with the Arab
people that was in prison with him a
network that saves 300
Jews you see that kind of story this is
the Jews that were living in the Arab
Ward I'm not saying that the Jews living
in the Arab Ward was living like an in
life of course as a kind of minority
they did not have like the full power of
their full you know advantages of the ru
that's that's normal but we had
this kind of a a
relationship
before Israel
was erected in
1948 and then of course everybody looked
at Jews at the time as fifth column and
of course the nationalistic regimes use
that and this is why what Biden
said was very dangerous when he said if
there's no Israel no Jew in the world
will feel safe you are the leader of the
Free World you are the president of the
United States do you mean that you're
telling me that the Jews in your country
in the United States of America are not
safe that is wrong on two levels number
one America historically and right now
is more safe to Jews in America in the
world than more than anybody they are
safer than the Jews in Israel they never
had PS or or the Holocaust like Europe
they live here a good life not perfect
life but they are better second of all
if you are the president and you're
telling that a group of people will not
feel safe unless there is a different
one you are already feeding into their
fifth column they're like you're Russian
you come from there and there is a group
of laws in the Russian Constitution that
says that Russia will protect its
citizens everywhere in the world what
happens if the president says like oh
you're Russians you're protected by own
country you don't belong here this is
terrible yeah you're right that's
actually an indirect threat yes uh you
know even saying musl
cannot feel safe in America or something
like this that means like a that's a
threat but what what would a Jewish
person in Beverly Hills or in in in in
Brooklyn feel if he hears that you are
already telling people you need to have
be loyal to Israel I mean Israel is a
foreign country I am sorry but Israel is
a foreign country Israel is a client
country that we sponsor and it is should
actually be responsible and held
accountable for what they do you
mentioned 1948 the nakba but before that
4139 41 to 45 the Holocaust what do you
do what do you do with the Holocaust
like what uh how do you incorporate into
the calculus oh yeah of what's oh it's
terrible of morality that that leads up
to the displacement of
700,000 uh Palestinians from the land
how do you work that out is terrible but
like I mean what the the the systemic
annihilation of Jewish people under the
Nazi that is like like a carefully
engineered thought for planned it was
terrible it was like kind of like the
human Ingenuity put into like something
that is very
evil but also it is not just not just
that happened we need we need to
remember that OT Frank the father of
annafran has his Visa Refugee Visa
rejected by the United States there's a
lot of people that were rejected by the
United States rejected by other European
countries and then they were pushed into
Palestine so you have to put yourself
between like and the Arabs okay we're
sitting here okay come and then all
right you don't have a a home or a
country anymore that that that that that
kills you I mean you see if I'm not an
Arab and you give me that kind of piece
of like terrible human trasy like oh my
God that is terrible but then I'm an
Arab is like yes I'm so sorry but what
do I have to do with that what why is
that my fault the the persecution of the
Jewish people have started since the the
eth and 9th century because they they
were like they were first
anti-christians they were like with
criminal immigrants they were like
conspirators this this this is this is
this is the the anti like people kind of
like as if Europe kind of like throw
anti-Semitism on us you understand that
like Henry Ford Henry Ford is one of the
biggest anti he was he was the the
inspiration for Adolf Hitler
this is how anti-semitic Henry Ford was
and you kind of like gloss over that and
then suddenly we as Arabs have to pay
the price
why several questions I want to ask
there so but one just zooming out why do
you think hatred of
Jews has been such
a viral kind of idea throughout human
history oh it's very easy
it all started from Christ they killed
Christ they killed Christ they killed
Christ they're the killer of Christ
that's a very sexy story and that was so
yeah that was and that stayed for years
that stayed for centuries I'm sorry
centuries they're the killer of Christ
and then the C the Catholic church
church did not allow usury but they
would work in usury so they become rich
now the people that we hate that we
accuse them of feeling Christ are
becoming rich so that's Envy now and
that's that and and and that's hatred I
I mean when you talk about ghettos
ghettos were not just a secluded Parts
in cities sometimes those ghettos were
outside the cities Jews were not even
allowed to work a lot of professions
they were not allowed to get into the
syndicates of
certain uh professions so they had to go
work usually and they got rich so people
hated them more the first the first
crusade didn't kill a single musl Muslim
all they killed were Jews and when they
finally arrived to Jerusalem all they
killed were Jews they they almost
annihilated the Jews so it was all this
and of course you have the Dark Ages who
do you need as an enemy the Jews right
they they're the killer of Christ
there's nothing bigger than
this and then you you fast forward I
mean one of the things that I that I
found out that was very very very very
crazy when Henry Ford imported
the the protocols of the Elders of Zion
by the way in the Arab word Protocols of
the Elders of Zion is so popular and for
obvious reasons and for the people who
don't know it it's kind of like a bunch
of like stories and basically it's like
the the the the the Jews saying like
we're going to control the world and
we're going to do this and we're going
to do that and whatever what people
don't know that they that is a work of
plagiarism it was plagiarized
from a satirical play called
conversation in Hell between mcki and
and moniku and it is just it it is and
it is kind of like based on one chapter
or one scene or something it it's crazy
but it's crazy how sticky it is like yes
weird yes because if I if I hate you
that's great but if I have a story to
support that hate Ah that's even better
but it's like one of the one of the best
stories one of the stickiest stories
about hate it's probably the the most
effective cuz like there you know a lot
of peoples hate other groups of peoples
but that that's just like the sexiest
story of them all because humans need to
concentrate their hate their
insecurities and their shortcomings into
one thing that they can practice that
that hate on if it's a it's a it's a
person great if it's a group even better
but how do you into this C
incorporate that the that group is
pretty small there's 16 million Jews
worldwide mm and you mention how is that
the responsibility of the Arab peoples
you know everybody should be to blame
for not taking in Jews after the the
Holocaust but you know the reality of
the situation if we look at the
religious SCE of this there's 16 let's
say million Jews and there's I don't
know how many Muslims but
1.8 billion yeah yeah how do
you that difference that uh 100x
difference do you incorporate that into
the sense that Jews in Israel might feel
for you know the existential dread that
we might this this small group might be
destroyed Jews in Israel have every
right to feel afraid because of
everything that they see and everything
they've been told everything but I I I
would say that the calculus or the
numbers doesn't like of course like
being
small it is of course a factor but it is
never an excuse in order to take
something that's not yours it's saying
like hey you have 300 million Americans
and we have 52 502 say give one state
for them there's too many of them to too
many of you just give them something you
know it's like the fact that I have
something and you don't and I have there
are too many of me and there is little
of you and then you come in and and it's
not really Israel against the Arab word
or the Muslim because we have to say we
up big time but it is the the the
the the the Palestinians that are in and
they are being subjected to that so it's
not really like the 1.8 billion and the
16 million Jews and the 1.8 billion if
you look at them some of them like don't
care some of them live into regimes that
being oppressed and those regimes are
supported by the United States in order
it's easier for me as a as a as an
Empire to to take what I want from this
country if I control the dictator and I
tell them that his power is linked to my
ability to to my my desire to keep him
in power so that's why you have a total
disconnect between people in power in in
the Arab and the Muslim countries and
the people themselves can you speak to
1948 you know cuz you mentioned taking
land that's not
yours um maybe parallels with Native
Americans mhm
yeah there was a
war the the Jewish minority fought that
war against several Arab states and won
that
war how do we incorporate that into the
cathis yeah well that's a also a
misconception uh like a
misinterpretation of the event because
it seems that it was uh like the small
the it's kind o