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I don't know if you know this but some
people call you a fascist yeah they do
so I figure it's all right to call them
a communist yeah they call me a lot
worse than I call them a lot of people
listening to this myself included that
doesn't think that Kama is a communist I
believe you have to fight fire with fire
politics is a dirty game it is a dirty
game that's certainly true how do you
win at that game they suffer from
massive Trump derangement syndrome TD
yes and I don't know if they it's
curable from their standpoint I think uh
we would probably have a better world if
everybody in Congress took some
mushrooms perhaps first of all medical
marijuana has been amazing it's been I
I've had friends and I've had others and
doctors telling me that it's been
absolutely amazing the list of clients
that went to the island has not been
made public yeah it's it's very
interesting isn't
it the following is a conversation with
Donald Trump on this The Lex fredman
podcast they getting smaller and smaller
they getting smaller right I mean PE
people do respect you more when you have
a big camera for some reason no it's
cool and about 20 guys that you pay a
fortune to right all right
okay you said that you love
winning and you have won a lot in life
in uh real estate in business in TV and
Poli politics so let me start with a
mindset a psychology question what
drives you more the love of winning or
the hate of losing maybe equally maybe
both I don't like losing and I do like
winning I've never thought of it as to
which is more of a driving force you've
been close with a lot of the greats in
sport uh you think about Tiger Woods
Muhammad Ali you have people like uh
Michael Jordan who I think hate losing
more than anybody so what do you learn
from those guys well they do have
something different you know the great
Champions have something very different
like the sports champions and you know
you have champions in other fields but
you see it more readily in sports you
see it over a weekend or you see it
during a game and you see that certain
people stand out and they keep uh they
keep standing out but it's there for you
it doesn't take a lifetime to find out
that somebody was a winner or a
loser and so the sports thing is very
interesting but you know I play golf
with different people and uh you have
there's a different mindset among
Champions there's really a very
different mindset there's a different uh
there's a different thought process you
know talent-wise sometimes you can't
tell the difference in talent but at the
end of a weekend they seem to win and
it's very interesting uh
like as an example tiger or Jack
Nicholas he was a phenomenal winner and
he does have a different way about him
and tiger has a different way about him
and Michael Jordan and there's never one
you would think that there'd be one way
Arnold Palmer was the nicest guy you'd
ever meet and then you have some
Champions that aren't really nice
they're just focused on doing their job
uh so you have you know there's not one
type of person
but the one thing I I would say that
everybody seems to have in common is
they're very driven they're driven like
Beyond they don't seem to give up easily
they don't give up they don't give up
but they do seem to be uh you know they
have a passion that's maybe more than
people that don't do as well you've said
that politics is a dirty game in the
past it is a dirty game that's certainly
true uh so if it is a game how do you
win at that game well you win at that
game by getting the word out and by you
using sense you have to have a feeling
where it's going you also have to have a
feeling of what's right you can't
necessarily just go what's popular you
have to do what's good for a country if
you're talking about countries or but
you you have to get the word out and you
have to just continuously like for
instance you have a great show you have
a great podcast it's very well watched
and I'm sitting here and I do this a lot
of people see it and I do other things
and a lot of people see that and I go
traditional also you know you have
traditional television which is getting
a little bit older and maybe less
significant could be less significant I
don't know but it's changing a lot the
the uh the whole plane of of platform is
changing a lot it's changed a lot in the
last 2 three years but from a political
standpoint you have to find out what
people are doing what they're watching
and you have to get it you have to get
on I just see that these platforms are
starting to dominate they're getting
very big numbers I did spaces with Elon
and they got numbers like nobody's ever
heard before so you know this
is you wouldn't do that on like radio
you wouldn't do that those numbers no
matter how good a show you wouldn't do
those numbers on radio you wouldn't do
them on
television you've been successful in
business bus you've been successful in
politics what do you think is the
difference between uh gaining success
between the two the two different
disperate worlds yeah and they're
different very different um I have a lot
of people that are in business that are
successful and they'd like to go over to
politics and then you realize they can't
speak they
choke you know it's hard to make a
speech in front of that let's say you're
talking about a big audience but I get
very big audiences and you know for many
people it's virtually impossible to get
up and speak for an hour and a
half
and have nobody leave you know it's not
an easy thing to do and it's an ability
but I have many people that are very
very successful in business would love
to do what I
did and yet they can't pull the trigger
and in many cases I I don't think it
would work almost almost for everybody
not going to work it's a very it's a
very tough thing to do it's a big
transition and now if you talked about
people in the business in politics going
into business likewise that wouldn't
generally work out so well either it's
different talents it's different skills
I have somebody who wants to go into
politics so bad but he's got a little
problem he's got stage fright now he's a
total killer but if he gets up into a
stage in front of people he doesn't do
well to put it in mildly actually I mean
he does badly so you have to be able to
make hard decisions like you do in
business but also be able to Captivate
an audience look if you're a politician
you have to be able to speak in front of
large crowds there a lot of people can't
do that I've seen it they can't even
think about doing
it and they don't there are many people
in business right now I could name them
but I don't want to embarrass anybody
they've been talking about running for
president for 15 years
and they're very big in business very
well known
actually and but it takes guts to run
like for president I can tell you it
takes guts to run it's also a very
dangerous profession if you want to know
the truth but uh dangerous in a
different sense too but it takes a lot
of courage to run for president it's not
easy but you have and you know the same
people as I do there are a lot of people
that would like to run for president
that are very very successful in
business
but they don't have the guts to do it
and they have to give up a lot one of
the great things about people from the
business world is there are often great
deal makers and you're a great dealmaker
and you've talked about the war in
Ukraine and that you would be able to
find a deal that both Putin and zalinsky
would accept what do you think that deal
looks like I think the deal and I
wouldn't talk about it too much because
I think I can make a deal if if I win as
president-elect I'll have a deal made
guaranteed that's a war that shouldn't
have happened it's terrible look Biden
is the worst president in the history of
our country and she's probably worse
than him that's a that's something that
should have never happened but it did
happen and now it's a much tougher deal
to make than it would have been before
it started millions of people I think
the number is going to be a lot higher
when you see this all at some Point iron
out I think the numbers are going to be
the death numbers are going to be a lot
higher than people think when you take a
look at the destruction and the
buildings coming down all over the place
in Ukraine I think those numbers are
going to be a lot higher they they lie
about the numbers they try and keep them
low they knock down a building that's
two blocks long these are big buildings
and they say uh one person was mildly
injured no no a lot of people were
killed and there are people in those
buildings and they have no chance once
they start coming down there's no chance
so so um that's a war that absolutely
has to get done and then you have Israel
and then you have a lot of other places
that are talking War the world is is a
rough place right now and a lot of it's
because of the fact that America has no
leadership and I believe that she'll be
probably worse than Biden I watched the
interview the other
night I mean it was just a softball
interview
so you would like to see her do more
interviews challenged more I don't know
I I I can't believe the whole thing is
happening we had a man in there that
should have never been in there they
kept them in a basement they used Co
they cheated but they used Co to cheat
and they cheated without Co too but uh
you had somebody in there and now we
have a woman that is not I mean she
couldn't do an interview this was a
really soft interview this is an
interview where they given a multiple
choice uh questions multiple guests I
call it multiple
guests and uh I don't think she did well
I think she did very poorly how do you
think you'll doing the debate coming up
it's in a few days so I've done a lot of
debating only as a politician I never
debated my first debate was the Rosie
O'Donnell debate right the famous Rosie
O'Donnell debate the answer uh but I've
done well with debates I mean I became
president then the second time I got
millions more votes than I got the first
time I was told if I got 63 million
which is what I got the first time you
you you would win you can't not win and
I got millions of more votes on that and
uh lost by a whisker but and look what
happened to the world with all of the
wars and all of the problems and look
what happened with inflation because
inflation's just eating up our country
eating it up so it's too bad but
um there are a lot of things things that
could happen we have to get those Wars
settled we have to get I'll tell you you
have to get Ukraine done you that could
end up in a third world war so could the
Middle East so could the Middle East so
maybe let's talk about what it takes to
negotiate with somebody like Putin or or
zalinski do you think Putin would be
willing to give up any of the regions
they already captured I don't know uh I
can tell you that this all of this would
have never happened and it would have
been very easy because you don't have
like that question wouldn't be B asked
you know that's a tougher question once
that starts happening cuz he has taken
over a lot of territory now I guess
they're insurgents now too right so you
know it's a little bit
interesting uh that that's happening and
that it can happen and it's interesting
that Putin has uh allowed that to happen
look that's one that should have should
have never started we have to get it
stopped Ukraine is being demolished
there they're destroying a great culture
that's largely destroyed what do you
think works better in those kinds of
negotiations leverage of let's say
friendship the carrot or the stick
friendship or sort of the threat of
using the economic and military power so
it depends on who the person is it's you
know it's everyone's different
negotiation is interesting because it
depends on who the person is and then
you have to guess or know through
certain knowledge which is you know more
important the carrot or the
stick and with some people it's the
carrot I think the the stick probably is
generally more successful and that you
know we're talking about war but um the
kind of Destruction that we're
witnessing now nobody's ever seen I mean
it's it's a terrible thing and and we're
witnessing it all over we're witnessing
it in um in all parts of the the world
and a lot of things are going to get
started look what's going on with China
look at Japan they're starting to rearm
now they're starting to rearm because
China's getting you know taking over
certain islands and um there's a lot of
danger in the war right now in the world
there's a lot of and there's a great
possibility of World War III and we
better get this thing done fast because
five months with people like
her and him he's checked out he just got
goes to the beach and thinks he looks
good in a bathing suit which he doesn't
he sort of checked out hey look you know
you can't blame him that was a coup they
took it over they took over the
presidential deal the whole presidential
thing was taken over in a coup he had 14
million votes he had no votes not
one and nobody thought it was going to
be her nobody wanted it to be her she
was a joke until 6 weeks ago when they
said we're going to have to politically
they felt they had to pick
her and if they didn't pick her they
thought they'd be a problem I don't know
if that's right or not I actually don't
think it's right but you know they they
thought it was right and now immediately
the Press comes to their aid if we can
go back to
China on negotiation how do we have
avoid war with China in the 21st century
well there are ways now here's the
problem if I tell you how and I'd love
to do it but if I if I give you a plan
like I have a very exacting plan how to
stop Ukraine and
Russia and I have a certain idea maybe
not a plan but an idea for China because
we do you know we're going we're in a
lot of trouble they'll be in a lot of
trouble too but we're in a lot of
trouble uh but I can't give you those
plans because if I give you those plans
I'm not going to be able to use them
they'll be very unsuccessful
you know part of it surprise right right
but they won't be able to help us much
so you have a plan of what to say to
Putin yeah I know take office no I had a
very good relationship with him and I
had a good relationship with zalinski
too but I had a very good relationship
with Putin tough topic but important you
said lost by a
whisker I'm an independent I have a lot
of friends who are independent many of
whom like your policies
uh like the fact that you're a
dealmaker like the fact that
you can end Wars but they are troubled
by what happened in the 2020 election
and um statements about widespread fraud
and this kind of stuff fake elector
scheme what can you say to those uh
independent voters to help them decide
who to vote right I think the fraud was
on the other side I think the election
was a fraud and many people felt it was
that and they wanted
answers and when you can't challenge an
election you have to be able to
challenge it otherwise it's going to get
worse not better and there are lots of
ways to solve this problem go to paper
ballots do it the easy way I mean the
paper ballots and you uh have voter ID
and you have same day voting and you
have proof of citizenship which is very
important because we have people voting
that are not citizens they just came in
and they're loading up the payrolls
they're loading up everything they're
putting students in schools they don't
speak a word of English and they're
taking the seats of people that are
citizens of our country
so uh look we have the worst Border in
the history of the world we have coming
into our country right now millions and
millions of people at levels that
nobody's ever seen I don't believe any
country's ever seen it and they would
use Sticks and Stones not to make it
happen not to let it happen we don't we
don't do anything and we have a person
who was the bordar who now said she
wasn't really the bordar but she was she
was the bordar but she was in charge of
the border and we have her and she's
saying very strongly oh I did such a
good job she was horrible horrible the
the harm she's done but we have people
coming in from other countries all over
the world not just South America and
they're coming in from prisons and jails
they're coming in from mental
institutions and insane
asylums and they Street criminals right
off the street they take them and
they're being given to our country drug
dealers human
traffickers with destroying our country
this is a sin what's been allowed to
take place over the last four years
we're destroying our country and we'll
see how that all works out but it's not
even believable and now you see you saw
in Aurora
Colorado a group of very tough Young
Thugs from
Venezuela taking over big areas
including buildings they're taking over
buildings they have their big
rifles but they're taking over buildings
we're not going to let this happen we're
not going to let them destroy our
country and you know in those countries
crime is way down they're taking them
out of their prisons which is good
because good for them I do the same
thing by the way if I ran one of those
countries any country in the world I
would make sure that America has every
one of our prisoners every one of our
criminals would be here I can't believe
they're going so slowly but some aren't
and but they all are doing it and we
can't let that happen they're emptying
out their prisons and their mental
institutions into the United States of
America we can't let let that happen so
a lot of people believe that there was
some shady stuff that went on with the
election whether it's uh media bias or
big Tech but still the the claim of
widespread fraud is the thing that
bothers people well I don't focus on the
past I focus on the future I mean I talk
about how bad the economy is how bad
inflation is how bad things like um
which is important Afghanistan was in my
opinion the most embarrassing thing
that's ever happened to our country and
because of that I think Putin went in
when he said how stupid we were Putin
went in but it it was the most
embarrassing moment in the history of
our country I really believe that but
you know we left we left 13 dead
soldiers think of it 13 dead soldiers
many soldiers horrifically hurt with
arms and legs and everything else gone
um we left hostages behind behind we
left Americans behind we left military
equipment the likes of which nobody's
ever left behind before billions and
billions of dollars of equipment they're
now selling the equipment they're one of
the largest arm stealers in the world
and um very sad very sad and and you
know we were there for a long time I was
going to get out we were getting ready
to get out then we got interrupted by
the election but we would have been out
with dignity and
strength U we were having very little
problem with the Taliban when I was
there because they knew it it was going
to be tough I dealt with Abdul Abdul was
the
leader and we got along fine he
understood but you know they were
shooting they were killing a lot of our
people before I came down and when I got
there I said I spoke to them I said
can't do it don't do it anymore we went
18 months before this happened this hor
day happened we went 18 months and
nobody was shot at or killed what do you
think that was the carrot or the stick
in that case in Afghanistan the stick
definitely theti a threat of military
force that was the stick yeah it doesn't
have to be but that was the stick well
let me just Linger on the election a
little a little bit more for this
election it might be a close one what
can we do to avoid the insanity in
division of the previous election
whether you win or lose well I hope but
it's not a close one I mean you know I
don't know how people can vote for
somebody that has destroyed our country
the inflation the bad economy but but to
me in a way the worst is what they've
allowed to happen at our border where
they've allowed millions of people to
come in here from places that you don't
want to know about and I can't believe
that that's going to be a close election
you know we're leading in the polls but
and it looks close but I think in the
end it's not going to be a close
election
what do you think is the right way to
solve the immigration crisis is mass
deportation one of the solutions you
would think about well you've got to get
the the criminals out of here fast right
you know the people from mental
institutions you got to get them back
into their mental institution no country
can afford this you know it's just too
much money you look at what's happening
in New York and Chicago and la and lots
of places and you take a look at what's
happening there's no country can afford
this we can't afford it and and we've
got to get the bad ones out immediately
and the rest have to be worked on you
know it's happened before Dwight
Eisenhower was sort of a moderate
president moderate type person but he
hated when he saw people pouring into
the country and they were nothing like
now you know I probably got elected in
2016 because of the
border and I told people what was
happening and they understood it and I
won the election and I won the election
I think because of the Border our border
is 25 times worse right now than it was
in
2016 I had it fixed to I had it the last
week of my the famous chart that I put
up was exactly that you know the chart
when I looked to the right I said
there's the chart being uh that was not
a pleasant experience but the chart that
I put up said and that was done by
border patrol that was the lowest number
that we've ever had come into our
country in recorded his
and we have to get it back to that again
we will let me ask you about project
2025 so you've publicly said that you
don't have any direct connection to
nothing I know nothing about it and they
know that too Democrats know that and I
purposely haven't read it because I want
to say to you I don't I have no idea
what it's all about it's easier than
saying I read it and you know all of the
things no I purposely haven't read it
and I've heard about it I've heard about
things that are in there that I don't
like and there are some things in there
that everybody would like but there are
things that uh I don't like at all and I
think it's uh unfortunate that they put
it out but it doesn't mean anything
because it has nothing to do with me
project 25 has it has absolutely nothing
to do with
me you posted recently about
marijuana and uh that you you're okay
with it being legalized but it has to be
done safely can you explain your policy
there well I just put out a paper and
first of all medical marijuana has been
amazing it's been I I've had friends and
I've had others and doctors telling me
that it's been absolutely amazing the
medical
marijuana and we put out a statement
that we can live with the marijuana it's
got to be a certain age got to be a
certain age to buy it h it's got to be
done in a very concerted lawful
way and the way they're doing in Florida
I think is going to be actually good
it's going to be very good but it's got
to be done in a good way it's got to be
done in a clean way you go into some of
these places like in New York it's all
it smells all marijuana you can't the
way you've got to have a system with his
control and I think the way they've done
it in Florida is very good do you know
anything about psychedelics so I'm I'm
not a drug guy but I recently did
iasa yeah U and uh there's a lot of
people that speak to sort of the health
benefits and the spiritual benefits of
these different
psychedelics I think uh we would
probably have a better world if
everybody in Congress took some
mushrooms
perhaps um now I know you don't you stay
away from all of that stuff um I I also
veterans use it for dealing with PTSD
and all that kind of stuff so it's it's
great and it's interesting that you're
thinking about being more accepting of
some of these drugs which don't just
have a recreational purpose but a a
medical purpose treatment purpose so we
put out a statement today we're going to
put out another one probably next week
be more specific although I think it's
pretty specific and we'll uh we'll see
how that all goes that's a referendum
coming up in some states but it's coming
up and we'll see how it does I will say
it's been very hard to beat
it you take a look at the numbers it's
been very hard to be it so I think it'll
generally pass but you want to do it in
the safe way speaking of marijuana let
me ask you about my good friend Joe
Rogan so you had a bit of tension with
him so when he said nice things about
RFK Jr I think you've uh you've said
some not so nice things about Joe and I
think that was a bit fair and as a fan
of Joe I would love to see you do his
podcast because he is legit the greatest
conversationalist in the world so what's
what's the story behind that tension
well I don't think there was any tension
and
uh I've always liked him but I don't
know him I mean I only see him when I
walk into the arena with Dana and I
shake his hand I see him there
and I I think he's good at what he does
but I don't know about doing his podcast
I mean I guess I do it but I haven't
been asked and I'm not asking them you
know I'm not asking anybody it sounds
like a challenging negotiation situation
no it's it's not it's not really a
negotiation and he's sort of a liberal
guy I guess you know from what I
understand but he likes Kennedy this was
before I found this out before Kennedy
came in with us he's going to be great
he's doing bobb's going to be great but
I like like that he likes Kennedy I do
too you know he's a different kind of a
guy but he's got some great things going
and uh I think he's going to be Beyond
politics I think he could be quite
influential in taking care of some
situations that you probably would agree
should be taken care of the Joe Rogan
post as an example I would love to get
your
psychology uh about behind the tweets
and the post on
Truth uh are you sometimes being
intentionally provocative or are you
just speaking
mind and are there times where you
regret some of the truths you've posted
yeah I do I mean but not that often
honestly you know I do a lot of
reposting the ones you get in trouble
with are the reposts because you find
down deep they're into some group that
uh you're not supposed to be reposting
you don't even know if those groups are
good bad or indifferent but the reposts
are the ones that
really get you in trouble when you do
your own words it's sort of easier but
the reposts go very quickly and if
you're going to check every single
little
symbol and uh I don't know it's worked
out pretty well for me I tell you it's
uh truth is very powerful truth and it's
my platform and it's been very powerful
very very powerful goes everywhere I
call it my typewriter you know that's
actually my typewriter what are you
doing usually when you're composing a
truth like are you chilling back on a
couch couches beds okay a lot of
different things I mean like late at
night and just I'd like to do some later
you know I'm not a huge sleeper but
whenever I do them you know past like
3:00 they criticize you the next day
Trump was up truth thing okay Trump was
truth thing at 3:00 in the morning and
there should be no problem with that and
then when you think about time zones how
do they know that you you're like you
know in a time zone like an Eastern zone
so but but every time I do it after like
2 or 3:00 it's like why is he doing that
but it's gotten um I mean you know the
truth has become a very
successful uh
platform and I like doing it and it goes
everywhere as soon as I do it it goes
everywhere the country seems more
divided than ever yeah what can you do
to help alleviate some of that division
well you can get rid of these two people
they're terrible they're terrible you
don't want to have them running this
country they're not Equip to run a Joe
just
Joe is a disaster
okay and Kamala I think she'll end up
being worse than him we'll see I think A
lot's now you know the convention's over
with and I I see I'm leading in just
about all the polls now they had their
little honeymoon period as they call it
and we'll see how that all goes who
knows for my personal opinion I think
you you are your best when you're
talking about a positive vision of the
future versus criticizing the other side
yeah I think you have to criticize
though I think I think they're
nasty they came up with a
story that I look down and I call
soldiers that died in World War I
suckers and losers okay now number one
who would say that number two who would
say to military people nobody it was a
madeup story it was just a madeup story
and they like to repeat it over again
they know it was made up I have 26 W
witnesses that nothing was said they
don't want to hear about
that like she lied on McDonald's she
said that uh that she worked at
McDonald's it's not a big lie but it's a
big lie it's so you know I mean they
just went and they checked and unless
she can show something they don't talk
about the presses are going to follow up
with it but I I'll keep hammering it but
she never worked at McDonald's it was
just a you know sort of a cool thing to
say hey I worked at McDonald's you know
um but one of the worst was two days ago
I went to Arlington at the request of
people that lost their children there'll
always be children to those people you
understand that that's not politically
incorrect thing to say the mother comes
up I lost my child but you know the
child is a
soldier and Lost the Child because of
Biden and because of Cala as just as
though they had the gun in their hand
because it was so badly handled it
should have been done at bogram which is
the Big Air Base it shouldn't have been
done at a small little airport right in
the middle of town where people stormed
it uh it was a true
disaster and and they asked me if I'd
come and celebrate with them 3 years
three years they've died three years
ago and I said I'm going to try I got to
know them because I brought them here
actually one night they they almost all
came
here and they said I wonder if Trump
will actually come and see us I heard
they were here I came said so him and we
stayed for like four hours listening to
music up on a deck right upstairs
beautiful and they were great people so
they called me over the last couple of
weeks and they said we're going to have
a reunion our threeyear reunion would
you be able to come it was very hard for
me to do it logistically but I said I'll
get it done and I got there and we had a
beautiful time I didn't run away I
didn't you know I didn't just walk in
shake hands and walk out like people do
and I wasn't looking at my watch like
Joe Biden
does and it was amazing so I did it for
them I didn't do for me I don't need the
publicity I mean I get more publicity
probably than anybody you would know
that better than me but I think maybe
more than anybody maybe more than
anybody that's ever lived I don't know
but I don't think anyone could have
anymore every time you turn on
television there's like nine different
stories all on different topics and the
world about as an example you interview
a lot of people good people successful
people let's see how you do with this
interview versus them okay I mean I can
tell you right now you're going to get
the highest numbers you've ever had by
sometimes a factor of 10 but but
um
when a Gold
Star Family asks me to come in and spend
time with them and then they said sir we
did a ceremony and then we went down to
the graves which was quite a distance
away they said sir would you
come to the grave and then they said
when we were there it's very sad
actually because these people shouldn't
have died they shouldn't have died they
died because of Biden and because of
Kamala they died because just like if
they pulled the trigger okay now I don't
know if that's controversial to say but
I don't think it is Afghanistan was the
most incompetently run operation I think
I've ever seen military or otherwise
they were
incompetent but the families asked me if
I'd go I did
go then the family said could we have a
picture at the tombstone of my son and
we did son or daughter there was a
daughter too and I took numerous
pictures with the families I don't know
of anybody else that was in the pictures
but there were mostly families I guess
that was it and then I left I spent a
lot of time with them then I left and I
get home that night and I get a call
that the Biden Administration with Cala
is accusing me of using Arlington for
publicity I was in us just the opposite
just the opposite and and actually did
you see it just came out the families
actually put out a very strong statement
defending me they said we asked him to
be there well politicians and the media
can play those games and you're right
your name gets a lot of views you're
probably legit the most famous person in
the
world but on the previous thing in the
spirit of unity you used to be a
Democrat setting the politicians aside
what do you respect most about people
who lean left who are Democrats
themselves or of that persuasion
progressives liberals and so
on well I look I respect the fact that
everybody's in
there and you know to a certain extent
life is what you do while you're waiting
to die so you might as well do a good
job I think in terms of what's Happening
Now I think you know we we have a chance
to save the country this country is
going down and I called it with
Venezuela I called it with a lot of
different countries and this country is
going down if we don't win this election
the election coming up on November 5th
is the most important election this
country has ever had because if we don't
win it I don't know that there'll be
another
election and it's going to be communist
country or
CL there's a lot of people listening to
this myself included that doesn't think
that Kama is a
communist uh well she's a Marxist her
her father's a Marxist and she's advoca
a little unusual you know she's
advocating for some policies that are
towards the direction of um Democratic
socialism let's say but there's a lot of
people that kind of know the way
government works and they say well none
of those policies are going to actually
come to reality it's just being used
during the campaign to you know uh
groceries are too expensive we need them
cheaper so let's let's talk about price
controls and that's never going to come
to reality it could come to reality look
I mean she came out with price control
it's been tried like 121 different times
at different places over the years and
it's never worked once it it leads to
Communism it leads to socialism it leads
to having no food on the shelves and it
leads to it's a tremendous
inflation it's just it's a bad idea
whenever we use terms like communism for
her and I don't know if you know this
but some people call you a fascist yeah
they do so I figure it's all right to
call them a communist yeah they call me
a lot worse than I call them they do
indeed uh It's just sometimes it's
interesting though they'll call me
something that's terrible and then I'll
hit them back and they'll say isn't it
terrible what Trump said I said well
wait a minute they just called me so I
believe you have to fight fire with fire
I believe they're very evil people these
are evil people you know we have an
enemy from the outside and we have an
enemy from within and in my opinion the
enemy from within are radical left
lunatics and I think you have to fight
back whenever there's a lot of fighting
fire with fire it's too easy to forget
that there's a middle of America
that is
uh that's moderate and kind of sees the
good in both sides and just likes one
side more than the other in terms of
policies like I said there's a lot of
people that like your policies that like
your skill in being able to negotiate
and end Wars and they don't see the the
impending destruction of America you
know we had no Wars when I was President
that's a big thing not since 78 years
has that happened but we had no Wars
when I was President we defeated Isis
but they were that was a war that was
started that we weren't anywh when near
defeating but think of it I had no Wars
and Victor Orban the prime minister of
Hungary said the world has to have Trump
back because everybody was afraid of
trump now that's what he said so I'm not
using that term but I think they
respected me but he said China was
afraid Russia was afraid everybody was
afraid and I I don't care what word they
use probably that's even a better word
if you want to know the truth but let's
use the word respect they had respect
for me they had respect for the
country I mean I ended the nordstream 2
pipeline the Russian Pipeline nobody
else could have done that I ended it who
was done then Biden comes in and he gave
it he approved it so we're defending
Germany and these other countries for
peanuts compared to what it's worth and
they're paying the person we're
defending them
against billions and billions of dollars
for energy I said how does that work and
we had it out with them and it worked
out good and they paid bill they paid
hundreds of billions of dollars or you
wouldn't even have a NATO right now you
wouldn't have NATO if it wasn't for me
as the leader of the United States you
were the most powerful man in the world
as you mentioned not only the most
famous but the most powerful and if you
become leader again you will have
unprecedented power just on your own
personal psychology what does that power
do to you does it is there any threat of
it corrupting how you see the world no I
don't think said look i' I've been there
for four years uh I could have done a
big number on Hillary Clinton I thought
it looked terrible to take the
president's wife and put her in
prison she's so lucky I didn't do
anything she's so lucky Hillary is a
lucky woman
because I had a lot of people pushing me
to they wanted to they wanted to see
something but I had I I could have done
something very bad I thought it looked
so bad think of it you have the
president of the United States and you
also had secretary of state right she
was but you're going to put the
president's wife in prison and yet when
I got out they're you know they have all
these hoaxes they're all hoaxes but they
have all these dishonest hoaxes just
like they did in the past with Russia
Russia Russia that was a HX uh the 51
different uh you know agencies or agents
that was a hoax the whole thing was a
hoax the whole there was so many hoaxes
and
scams and but I didn't want to put her
in jail and I didn't and I explained it
to people you know they say lock her up
lock her up it doesn't we
won I said we don't want to put her in
jail we want to bring the country
together I want to bring the country
together you don't bring the country
together by putting her in jail but then
when I got out you know they went to
work on me it's it's amazing and uh they
suffer from massive
Trump derangement syndrome
TDS and I don't know if they it's
curable from their standpoint a lot of
people are very interested in footage of
UFOs the the Pentagon has released a
few uh videos and there's been anecdotal
reports from fighter pilots so a lot of
people want to know will you help push
the Pentagon to release more footage
which a lot of people claim is available
oh yeah sure I'll do that I would do
that I'd love to do that I have to do
that but they also pushing me on Kennedy
and I did release a lot but I had people
come to me and beg me not to do it but
I'll be doing that very early
on uh yeah no but I would do that
there's a moment where you had some
hesitation about Epstein releasing some
of the documents on Epstein why the
hesitation I don't think I I mean I'm
not involved I never went to his Island
um
fortunately but a lot of people did why
do you think so many smart powerful
people allowed him to get so
close
um he was a good salesman he was you
know was a haen hearty type of
guy he had some nice assets that he'd
throw around like Islands but a lot of
big people went to that Island
but fortunately I was not one of them
it's just very strange for a lot of
people that uh the list of clients that
went to the island has not been made
public yeah it's it's very interesting
isn't it probably will be by the way
probably so if you able to you'll be
yeah certainly take a look at it now
Kennedy's interesting because it's so
many years
ago you know they do that for danger too
because you know endangers certain
people etc etc so
Kennedy uh is very different from the
Epstein thing but yeah I'd be inclined
to do the Epstein I'd have no problem
with it that's great to hear what gives
you strength when you're getting
attacked you're one of the most attacked
people in the world I think you you
can't you can't care that much I know
people that care so much about
everything like what people are saying
you can't care too much because you end
up
joking one of the tragic things about
about life is that it ends how often do
you think about your death are you
afraid of it I have a friend who's very
very successful and he's in his 80s mid
mid
80s and he asked me that exact same
question I said I turned it around I
said well what about you he said I think
about it every minute of every day and
then a week later he called me to tell
me something and he starts off the
conversation by going take ticktock
ticktock this is a dark this is a dark
person you know in a sense but uh it is
what it is I mean you know if you're
religious you have I think a better
feeling toward it you know you're
supposed to go to heaven ideally not
hell but you're supposed to go to heaven
if you're good I think our country is
missing a lot of religion I think it
really was a much better place with
religion it it was some it was almost a
guide you know to a certain said who was
a guide you want to be good to people
without religion there's no real there
are no guard rails I'd love to see us
get back to religion more religion in
this country well Mr President thank you
for putting yourself out there and thank
you for talking today look I I love the
country I want to see the country be
great and we have a real chance of doing
it but it's our last chance and I
appreciate it very much thank you thank
you thanks for listening to this
conversation with Donald Trump to
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contact I usually do this in a t-shirt
but I figured uh for this episode I'll
uh keep my suit and tie on so first this
might be a good moment to uh look back a
bit I've been doing this podcast for
over six years
and I first and foremost have to say
thank you I'm truly grateful for the
support and the love I've gotten along
the way it's been I would say the most
unlikely journey and on most days I
barely feel like I know what I'm doing
but I wanted to uh talk a bit about how
I approach these conversations now each
conversation is its own unique puzzle so
I can't speak generally to how I
approach these but here it may be useful
to describe how I approach conversations
with world leaders of which I hope to
have many more and do a better job every
time I read a lot of history and I
admire the historian perspective as an
example I admire William Shire the
author of many books on Hitler including
the rise and fall of the Third Reich he
was there and lived through it and
covered it OB L to the degree that one
could academic historians by the way
criticize him for being a poor historian
because he editorialized a little too
much I think those same folks criticized
Dan Carlin and his Hardcore History
Podcast I respect their criticism but I
fundamentally disagree so in these
conversations with world leaders I try
to put on my historian hat I think in
the realm of Truth and public discourse
there's a spectrum between the ephemeral
and the Eternal the outrage mob and
clickbait journalists are often focused
on the ephemeral the current thing the
uh current viral Stormer of mockery
and derision but when the battle of the
day is done most of it will be
forgotten a few true ideas will remain
and those the historian hopes to capture
now this is uh much easier said than
done
it's not just about having the right
ideals and the Integrity to stick by
them it's not even just about having the
actual skill of
talking which uh I still think I suck at
but let's say it's a work in progress
you also have to make the scheduling
work and set up the entirety of the
environment in a way that is conducive
to such a conversation this is hard
really hard with political and Business
Leaders they are usually super busy and
in some cases is super nervous because
well they've been screwed over so many
times with clickbait gotcha journalism
so to convince them and their team to
talk for 2 three four 5 hours is hard
and I do think a good conversation
requires that kind of duration and I've
been thinking a lot about why I don't
think it's just about needing the actual
time of 3 hours to cover all the
content I think the longer form with a
hypothetical skilled conversationalist
relaxes things and allows people to go
on tangents and to Banter about the
details because I think it's in the
details that the beautiful complexity of
the person is brought to
light anyway I look forward to talking
to more world leaders and doing a better
job every time as I said I would love to
do interviews with KLA Harris and some
other political figures on the left and
right including Tim Walls ALC Bernie
Barack Obama Bill and Hillary
and on the right JD van VC George W and
so on and on the topic of politics let
me say as an immigrant I love this
country the United States of America I
do believe it is the greatest nation on
Earth and I'm grateful for the people on
the left and the right who step into the
arena of politics to fight for this
country that I do believe they all love
as well I have reached out to KLA Harris
but not many of the others are probably
should do a better job with that but
I've been doing most of this myself all
the Reach Out scheduling research preps
recording and so on and on top of that I
very much have been suffering from
impostor syndrome with a voice in my
head constantly pointing out when I'm
doing a shitty job
plus a few folks graciously remind me on
the internet the uh the very same
sentiment of this aforementioned voice
all of this while I have the option of
just hiding away at MIT programming
robots and doing some cool AI research
with a few grass students or maybe
joining an AI company or maybe starting
my own all these options make me truly
happy but like I said on most days I
barely know what I'm doing so who knows
what the future holds most importantly
I'm forever grateful for all of you for
your patience and your support
throughout this roller coaster of the
life I've been on I love you
all okay now let me go on to some of the
questions that people had I was asked by
a few people to comment on Pavo durov
arrest and on X being banned in Brazil
let me first briefly comment on the uh
durov arrest so basic facts Pavo durov
is CEO of telegram which is a messenger
app that has end end encryption mode
it's not on by default and uh most
people don't use the entend encryption
but some do Pavo was arrested in France
on a long list of charges related to
quot quote criminal activity carried out
on the telegram platform and for quote
unquote providing unlicensed cryptology
Services I think telegram is indeed used
for criminal activity by a small
minority of its users for example by
terrorist groups to communicate and I
think we all agree that terrorism is bad
but here's the problem as the old saying
goes one man's terrorist is another
man's freedom fighter and there are many
cases in which the World unilaterally
agrees who the terrorists are but there
are other cases when uh governments
especially authoritarian inclin
governments tend to propagandize and
just call whoever is in the opposition
whoever opposes them terrorists there is
some room for nuance here but to me at
this time it seems to obviously be a
power grab by government wanting to have
backdoor access into every platform so
they can have censorship power against
the opposition I think generally
government should stay out of censoring
or even pressuring social media
platforms and I think arresting a CEO of
a tech company for the things said on
the platform he built is just
nuts it has a chilling effect on him on
people working at Telegram and on people
working at every social media company
and also people thinking of launching a
new social media company same is the
case of X being banned in Brazil it's I
think a power grab by Alexandre demaras
a Supreme Court Justice in Brazil he
ordered X to block certain accounts that
are spreading quote unquote
misinformation Elon and X denied the
request then demaras threatened to
arrest ex representatives in Brazil and
in response to that ex pulled the
representatives out of Brazil obviously
to protect them and now X having no
representatives in Brazil apparently
violates the law based on this demaras
banned and X in Brazil once again it's
an authoritarian figure seeking
censorship power over the channels of
communication I understand that this is
complicated because there are evil
people in the world and part of the role
of government is to protect us from
those evil people but as Benjamin
Franklin said those who can give up
essential Liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither Liberty
nor safety so it's a trade-off but I
think in many places in the world
many governments have leaned too far
away at this time from Liberty okay next
up I got a question on AI which I
emotionally connected with I'll condense
it as
follows hello Lex I a programmer and I
have a deep fear of slipping into
irrelevance because I am worried that AI
will soon exceed my programming
skills let me first say that I relate to
your fear it's scary to have a thing
that gives you a career and gives you
meaning to be taken away for me
programming is a passion and if not for
this podcast it would probably at least
in part be my profession so I get an
uncomfortable feeling every time Claude
the llm I use for coding at this time
just writes a lot of
excellent approximately correct code I
think you can make a good case that it
already exceeds the skill of many
programmers at least in the same way
that uh the collective intelligence of
stack Overflow exceeds the skill of many
programmers many individual programmers
but in many ways it still does
not uh but I think eventually more and
more the task the profession of
programming will be one of writing
natural language prompts I think the
right thing to do and uh what I'm at
least doing is to ride the w of the ever
improving code generating llms and keep
transforming myself into to a big
picture designer versus low-l
tinkerer what I'm doing and uh what I
recommend you do is continually switch
to whatever state-ofthe-art tool is for
generating code so for me currently I
recently switched from vs code to cursor
and before that it was emac to vs code
switch so cursor is this editor that's
based on vs code that uh leans heavily
on llms and integrates the code
generation really nicely into the
editing process so it makes it super
easy to uh continually use the llms so
what I would advise and what I'm trying
to do myself is to learn how to use it
and to master its code generation
capabilities I personally try to now
allocate a significant amount of time to
designing with natural language first
versus writing code from scratch so
using
my understanding of programming to edit
the code that's generated by the llm
versus sort of writing it from scratch
and then using the llm to generate small
parts of the code I see it as a skill
that I should develop in parallel to my
programming skill I think this applies
to many other careers too don't compete
with AI for your job learn to use the AI
to do that job better but yes it is
scary on some deep sort of human level
the threat of being replaced uh but at
least I think we'll be okay all right
next up I got a very nice audio message
and question from a gentleman who is 27
and feeling a lot of anxiety about the
future just recently he graduated with a
bachelor's degree and he's thinking
about going to grad school for
biomedical engineering but there is a
lot of anxiety he mentioned anxiety many
times in the message it took him an
extra while to get his degree so he
mentioned he would be 32 by the time
he's done with his PhD so it's a big
investment but he said in his heart
he feels like he's a scientist I think
that's the most important part of his
message of your message by the way I'll
figure out how to best include audio and
video messages in future episodes now on
to the question so thank you for telling
me your story and for submitting the
question my own life story is similar to
yours I went to Drexel University for my
bachelor's Master's and Doctor degrees
and I took a while just as you're doing
I did a a lot of non-standard things
that uh weren't any good for some
hypothetical career I'm supposed to have
I trained and competed in Judo and
Jiu-Jitsu for my entire 20s got a uh
black belt from it I wrote a lot
including a lot of really crappy poetry
I read a large amount of non-technical
books history philosophy and literature
I took courses on literature and
philosophy that weren't at all required
for my computer science and electrical
engineering degree
like a course on uh James Joyce I play
guitar in bars around town I took a lot
of technical classes many for example on
theoretical computer science that uh
were way more than were needed for the
degree I did a lot of research and I
coded up a bunch of projects that didn't
directly contribute to my
dissertation it was pure curiosity and
the joy of exploring so like you I took
uh the long way home as they say and I
regret none of it throughout that people
around me and even people who love me
Wanted U me to hurry up and to focus
especially because I had very little
money and so I had a sense like time was
running out for me to uh take the needed
steps towards a reasonable career and
just like you I was filled with anxiety
and I still am filled with anxiety to
this day but I I think the right thing
to to do is not to run away from the
anxiety but to lean into it and uh
Channel it into pursuing with everything
you got the things you're passionate
about as you said very importantly in
your heart you know you're a scientist
so that's it you know exactly what to do
pursue the desire to be a scientist with
everything you got get to a good grad
school find a good adviser and uh do
epic with them and it may turn out
in the end that your life will have
unexpected chapters but as long as
you're chasing dreams and goals with
absolute unwavering dedication good
stuff will come of it and also try your
best to be a good
person this might be a good place to
read The Words If by Roger Kipling that
I often return to when I feel lost and
I'm looking for guidance on how to be a
better
man if you can keep your head when all
about you are losing theirs and blaming
it on you if you can trust yourself when
all men doubt you but make allowance for
their doubting too if you can wait and
not be tired by waiting or being lied
about don't deal in lies or being hated
don't give way to hating and yet don't
look too good nor talk too wise if you
can dream and not make dreams your
master if you can think and not make
thoughts your aim if you can meet with
Triumph and disaster and treat those two
imposters just the same if you can bear
to hear the the truth you've spoken
Twisted by naves to make a trap for
fools or watch the things you gave your
life to broken and stoop and build them
up with worn out tools if you can make
one heap of all your winnings and risk
it on one turn of pitch and toss and
lose and start again at your beginnings
and never breathe a word about your
loss if you can force your heart and
nerve and send you to serve your turn
long after they're gone and so hold on
when there's nothing in you except the
will which says to them hold on if you
can talk with crowds and keep your
virtue or walk with Kings nor lose the
common touch if neither foes no loving
friends can hurt you if all men count
with you but none too
much if you can fill the unforgiving
minute with 60 seconds worth of distance
run yours is the Earth and everything
that's in it and which is more you'll be
a man my
son thank you for listening and see you
next time