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love trying to push the outer edges of
the envelope of
what the pain experience is in a
physical sense. Pain is truly the only
thing that's ever gotten me to change.
So, it's been my growth accelerator as
well as my reminder of when I've gone
astray.
Everybody, welcome to Impact. Our goal
with this show and company is to
introduce you to the people and ideas
that will help you actually execute on
your dreams. All right, today's guest is
an extremely accomplished ultra
endurance athlete, best-selling author,
and host of one of the biggest podcasts
on the planet. And proving that age is
really just a number, he began his
athletic career in earnest in his 40s
after a medical scare that made him
realize the importance of living a
healthy lifestyle. And what began as an
attempt to simply not die became an
obsession that saw him completely
transform his life. In 2009, after
decades of alcohol addiction and just 2
years after being 50 lbs overweight and
sitting on the couch for exercise, at
the age of 43, he won stage one of the
Ultram Man by 10 minutes. A seemingly
impossible feat when you realize that
the Ultra Man is a 3-day, 320 mile,
double iron man distance triathlon. To
top that accomplishment, he raced the
epic five, which is five ironmen on five
Hawaiian islands in just over 5 days.
And not long after turning 50, he and
his partner were the number one
finishing American team in the Otillo
Swim Run World Championships, which is a
race where you run on land and then swim
in the 50some degree Baltic Sea,
transitioning from running to swimming
times. And did I mention that he did it
when he was 50 years old? Not
surprisingly, Men's Health named him one
of the 25 fittest men in the world. and
he is regularly named to other
high-profile annual lists of the most
influential people in the health and
fitness space. He's been featured on
CNN, the New York Times, Forbes, and
countless other media outlets for his
laundry list of insane accomplishments.
So, please help me in welcoming the man
whose podcast has been downloaded more
than 30 million times, the best-selling
author of Finding Ultra, Rich Roy.
Good to be here,
dude. It's so good to have you on the
show.
Excited to talk to you,
man. We met through a mutual friend,
Ryan Holiday. Researching you was really
a lot of fun. And that's one of the ways
that I judge who to bring on the show is
am I really going to enjoy researching
them? And I'll admit my bias was I
thought that you were going to be
primarily talking about fitness and
nutrition, which obviously is a huge
part of it, but there's just so much
more there. And the thing that I really
found interesting was your relationship
to pain.
So, I wanted to start there. What is
your relationship to pain?
My relationship with pain runs deep uh
and and it's complicated.
That's fair. On the one hand, uh, I love
pain. I love trying to push the outer
edges of the envelope of
what the pain experience is in a
physical sense. Um, and it's also been
my greatest teacher in terms of things
that I've accomplished, but also um,
my errands ways as well. Pain is truly
the only thing that's ever gotten me to
change. Uh so it's been my growth
accelerator as well as my reminder of
when I've gone astray.
That's what I found so interesting about
it is in the one hand you talk about how
you you have to get really comfortable
with pain if you want to be able to push
yourself to the kinds of extremes that
you do, but then that pain is this also
really powerful thing that can force you
to change. So, I want to talk more about
that. How have you been able to leverage
that? I find that pain often causes
people to um they go into endurance mode
and they just like endure the pain, but
they never actually um you use the word
leverage. You said, "I I knew if I could
leverage this pain, I could really make
change." H what is that mechanism of
really grabbing a hold of it and making
it into something usable?
Um I think it's learning to embrace it
and not being afraid of it. And you
know, for me, it goes all the way back
to when I was a young child. I mean, I
was a very awkward, insecure kid, uh,
who had a lot of difficulty
um, making friends and and figuring out
what the rules for for life were. And I
was also somebody who was not
athletically inclined at all. Um, I was
the kid with the eye patch and the
headgear, picked last for kickball and
all of that. Uh, but the one thing that
I was actually fairly okay at was
swimming. And when you're good at
something when you're a kid and and
you're having difficulty in other areas,
that's what you're going to gravitate
towards. And and that's what I did. Uh,
and I learned um quickly that I was not
the most talented swimmer. Um, but in my
early teens, I realized
that if I was willing to put in the work
and do certain things that other people
weren't willing to do, that I could
bridge that talent gap and pick up a lot
of whites space. Uh, and that meant
getting comfortable with pain to bring
it back to your question. So, throughout
my teens, I would I would routinely
throw down crazy sets in the pool that
no one was willing to do. and I was
doing it because I knew I wasn't the
most talented and if I wanted to compete
at the highest level, that's what would
be required.
I love that. And by the way, it was so
cool that you shared the photos of you
with the eye patch and stuff in your
book. I thought that was really neat.
Um,
how did you go in school? You're being
bullied at one point. Um, you see this
opportunity to get better. What do you
start telling yourself or doing to be
able to make pain your friend to push
past it? so that you could begin to, you
know, beat other people at something.
It's almost like a deep meditative state
and it's a very one, you know, onetoone
relationship between the pain that
you're willing to suffer and the
progress that you're going to make. And
I saw swimming as my way forward and my
way out. Uh, and so what that meant was
the more that I was willing to suffer,
the more likely it would be that I was
going to create a positive trajectory
out of this painful scenario that I
found myself in.
And were you vision boarding things? I
mean, how were you staying so
tenaciously onto your goals that you
pushed that hard? Well, swimming is is
uh is a sport in which it's so
individualistic and it lends itself to
setting very concrete goals. Uh and
those goals for me were time standards.
Oh, I want to qualify for US nationals.
Oh, I want to qualify for Olympic
trials. So, I would have a vision board
where I' I'd literally write those times
out in very large block letters with a
magic marker and put them above my bed
or on my mirror uh in my bathroom and
constantly reminding myself and
reinforcing myself about why I was doing
what I was doing. So, I don't know that
I would have called it a vision board at
that time. It was more um but it was it
was more of a practice of of
um engaging in in in aspiration like I
had pictures of all my heroes and all of
that and I think uh intuitively I was
looking towards a better life for
myself.
Um when you went through getting sober
the amount of change that was staring
you in the face was obviously just
herculean. Um, how did you leverage the
pain in that moment to make such
profound change?
Fear. You know, I was somebody who who u
by the time I was 18 years old uh was an
individual had a lot of promise and
there was a lot of people very invested
in my future. I was graduate I graduated
top of my class in high school. I got
into all the colleges I applied to all
the Ivy Leagues. I was a topranked
swimmer. um competing at the very
highest level, world rank, the whole
deal. Uh and so my future looked very
bright and then alcohol got introduced
to my life and it was a very progressive
uh decline in my aspirations and at the
very end I was a daily drinker. I was
drinking vodka tonics in the shower in
the morning and hiding drinks throughout
the day and you know ending up in
blackouts and more than you know my fair
share of incomprehensible you know
demoralizing situations. Uh and I burned
every bridge that I had. Uh I was
virtually unemployable at the end. I was
sleeping on a bare mattress in a crappy
apartment with no furniture in it. Uh my
options were had been eliminated. My
life was eviscerated. My family didn't
want anything to do with me. I'd lost my
friendships. I had no way forward. Uh,
and I just continued to dig that hole
deeper and deeper and deeper until one
day I had that moment that you hear with
people who are in recovery, that that
moment of clarity where I realized I
just couldn't live this way any longer.
My elevator had, you know, gone down to
the bottom floor and uh and the and and
I met my pain threshold. you know, back
to the the this thesis around pain like
I had um reached a point where I could
no longer tolerate the pain of my
current situation and the fear the pain
associated with the fear of change was
eclipsed by the pain that I was feeling
in that moment and that's what motivated
me to change. I went to a treatment
center uh where I lived for a 100 days
which is pretty long time to be in a
rehab center and I did that because I
knew if I didn't get this right that my
life was done you know and so I took
that opportunity seriously I recognized
that despite the fact that I think I'm a
smart guy my best thinking had me uh
literally institutionalized and that if
I couldn't get a grasp on how to live
and develop some new skills and and a
new toolbox for how to approach my life
that um that I was going to end up in
jail or I was going to kill somebody
else or myself.
Yeah. So few people make it to the other
side of that. The really interesting
part for me is the lessons that you
learn in that about pain because they
come to your aid again in the next phase
of your life where now you're post um
the drinking and you're overweight and
you're walking up the flight of stairs
and you think you're having the heart
attack and you said that was the moment
where you said and I remember you using
your hands like I knew if I could you
didn't say grab a hold but if I could
leverage this pain that I could make the
same kind of change that I had made in
um going through rehab. What What is
that like the thinking process or the
the mechanations that you go through
when you have a big change in front of
you now? You've done it multiple times.
Is it goal setting? Is it um imagining
the world that you'll have if you don't
do it? Like what is that process for
you?
That's a great question. Um, I think for
me it's really anchored in awareness and
presence. You know, on that staircase I
was able to really understand that I was
having an important moment in my life.
And the reason I was able to recognize
that was because I had that moment
so many years prior when I decided to
get sober. It was a very specific moment
in time where I made a decision and that
decision set in motion a series of
events that changed my life so
completely that I couldn't imagine my
life had I not made that decision. Um,
and I was able to see and understand and
recognize that once again I was being
visited by just such an opportunity. It
was something that I could feel inside
of me. And and I think it's because I'd
learned to be present, to be aware of
myself and my environment. Um, and one
thing I always talk about is the fact
that, you know, I'm not anything special
with this. I think we're all visited
with moments like this in our life. that
if we can develop that uh the
wherewithal to have the awareness around
the circumstances surrounding whatever
event it is that you can leverage that
crack, you know, in the door to make
some significant changes. Um, and I'm
somebody who, and I've heard you talk
about this before, I'm somebody who who
when I make a decision, like that's it,
you know, I can I can step over that
line or walk through that door and not
look back. like I can be determined, be
focused enough and diligent enough and
dedicated enough to leverage those
moments when I make that decision to
really make significant changes that
that stick and stand the test of time.
Now, I have techniques and tactics that
I use to be able to pull that off. Do
you have similar things? Like, how do
you make sure that in those moments of
weakness that you actually keep going?
I mean, for me, I try to keep it as
simple as possible. Um,
it's about making a decision and when I
make a decision, that decision is done.
I've done it with diet. I've done it
with fitness. I've done it with my
profession. And the more simple I can
make it, then the easier it is to
adhere.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Um, now
going into um leveraging the pain and
making it something that allows you to
do these extraordinary um things
physically, how do you shift your
thinking about what the the pain is? And
I know that you said you agree with
Gogggins that when your brain taps out,
you're really only about 40% of the way
there. How do you tap into that other
60%.
Experience.
Uh, you know, we're so conditioned, Tom,
to avoid pain. Every message that we
see, every billboard we see, every
advertisement that we're exposed to is
telling us that happiness can be can be
purchased through comfort, through
luxury, through ease. Um, and that's
sort of implicit in that is that that's
how we find happiness. And I can tell
you that I'm happiest and most alive
when I'm butdding up against the outer
edges of my pain threshold. And I'm not
afraid of it. Uh, and so when I start to
feel that sensation rather than sherk
away from it, I realize that's an
opportunity to um experience uh a
heightened sense of myself and my
environment to to really um be in a
position where everything else falls
away and it's just you and your ability
to take one step forward. There's a
purity to that that again is another
great teacher. And so in terms of
techniques, um, I've just learned
through experience that just like David
Gogan says, when the signals that you're
receiving are telling you to stop, that
you don't necessarily have to pay
attention to that, that that you are
capable of so much more. Uh if you can
develop the acuity, the presence of mind
and the wherewithal to then take that
next step and when you're on the other
side of it to realize you're still okay
and you can take another step and a
whole your your horizon extends and you
realize that there's a whole world of
potential and possibility available to
you that you weren't previously aware
of.
All right. So, I know it's happening in
the mind of the viewer listener right
now. They're discounting you because
you're extraordinary. They forget that
you said, "Remember I was the kid with
the eye patch. I did not take anything
naturally athletically."
That, you know, swimming was something I
had to outwork people. They're
forgetting all of that already. And
they're just thinking, "Well, it's Rich
Roll. He's lean. He shredded. He's been
doing this for a long time. Of course,
he can do it." But what I want to talk
about is take it out of the realm of the
physical. The most interesting thing
that I've heard about you from you is
what happened when you wrote Finding
Ultra and you thought, "All right, this
is it. Done being a lawyer. Here we go.
Universe, give me some good stuff." And
then it didn't quite play out like that.
Yeah. No, it definitely didn't. I've
been a corporate lawyer for many years.
I was a corporate lawyer during the
period of time that I wrote that book.
Uh, and the book was successful. And yet
in the wake of that book being published
and doing well, um the phone didn't ring
and I had uh let my bar bar membership
lapse and here I was, you know, ready
and available to speak to the world and
and uh be of service. And the
opportunities just weren't flowing. It
was a very difficult time. And it it
tested me um to my core. I mean, we
almost lost our house. I had cars
repossessed. We couldn't pay our bills.
It was very emasculating.
But I think the the alchemy of going
through that has
been something that now allows me to
speak from a place of of of greater
truth and and depth with what I do. So
I'm I'm grateful for the experience.
I love that, man. And in hearing you say
that, I can tell that you really mean
that. But I want to um paint the picture
a little bit more for people. The part
that really hit me was when you said
that you guys couldn't even pay for your
trash to be taken away and they That's
when I realized, okay, wait, this wasn't
like a oh, things are tight.
Uh, this was like, we can't pay $60 for
our garbage to be picked up and then
they come and like take the trash cans
away.
It was the worst.
I mean, so embarrassing. I It it it was
so incredibly emasculating. Yeah, we
went through periods where we literally
barely had enough money to put food on
the table and we couldn't pay our we
couldn't pay to have our our trash
removed. And they did. They came and
they took the bins. And then we were
compelled to then put our trash in the
back of our crappy uh beat up minivan
and find an empty dumpster to do to to
dump the to dump the garbage. It was It
was not easy, man. It was not easy. What
do you teach your kids? So, like
bringing this all back to looking at you
as like this insanely empowering example
of how to use pain in all of its forms.
Like what do you teach your kids about
pain? Cuz they watched that happen,
right? And they watched you push through
and obviously everybody knows you on the
other side of this already.
Yeah.
So, what do you teach them? Like how do
you help them assign meaning to that
hard time that you know not being broken
and continuing to push?
Yeah, it's a great question. And so I
have four kids and it's something that
was very challenging as a parent and
again I keep using the word emasculating
as somebody who who you know is supposed
to be the head of household and and take
care of these sorts of things to be
unable to do that um was incredibly
difficult. Uh, I've spoken to my boys at
length about this and as difficult as it
was, it was an incredible learning
experience for them to understand that
the world doesn't owe you anything. Uh,
it quashed any sense of Gen Z
entitlement, you know, or anything like
that. And um I think it taught them
the value of
of really
what it means to pursue a dream and what
is required to see it through. I think
it would have split up a lot of
marriages or families. Um but we treated
it like a board game. We're like, "Okay,
how are we going to do this? Like what's
the plan? Let's do it and let's try to
have fun with it." and sort of deplete
all of the or or sort of drain all of
the anxiety and tension and fear that
can surround it. And when you do that,
you realize like
we're going to be okay.
That's really extraordinary. And knowing
how stressful that must have been, it
Yeah, it's there are so many powerful
lessons to be learned in there. One
thing I'd love for you to give to
listeners right now is what did you do?
like what does and I'm now I'm going to
conflate a couple things that maybe are
better um separate but you've talked
about this God of your own making
and then so you said your faith was
being tested in this time so you didn't
sell out you didn't like do some cheap
thing and this is what years were back
in like what 201
like 20 thou this was like 2012 through
2014 15
yeah so it's not like going into
podcasting was like an obvious answer to
your problems back then So, how did you
stay true to the vision when it it just
I mean, you're literally getting picked
apart down to not being able to pay for
your garbage.
I worked my ass off and exploited every
opportunity that presented itself. Uh, I
did a ton of speaking gigs for free. I
did anything that was asked of me,
anyone who would want to talk to me. But
it was really just a function of showing
up, working my ass off, saying yes, and
having a strong core belief that I was
on the right path.
Yeah, it I love it. And being able to
keep pushing. And that's the part that I
really hope people hear is that it's not
just sitting back and waiting for
something to happen. It's
No, definitely not.
You know, it's trying everything you can
to like really make something, but being
true to that mission and knowing what
you're trying to bring to the world. Um,
I think that's really extraordinary. You
mentioned really early on this notion of
self-awareness and I want to talk more
about that. So one to have the kind of
faith that you had and to keep pushing
obviously you have to have a lot of
awareness around who you are, who you
want to be, what you want to bring to
the world, but in going and getting uh
sober and then chasing that with the
kinds of physical activities that you
do, which are um I always want to say
the loneliness of the long-distance
runner, which is a great film all about
sort of the way that you can get lost in
your head as a runner. What are some
things going through sobriety um doing
the distance that you've learned about
yourself that are like encapsulatable?
That's a great question. Uh I think to
answer that, I would preface it by
saying that I was somebody who who for
as long as I could remember
was pursuing the traditional notion of
the American dream. get into the best
college, study hard, get into the best
grad school, get the best job, show up
early, stay late, partnership track, all
of that, right? But that I'd never
really stopped to think what is
important to me, like who am I? And
like, what am I here to express? And I
didn't have answers for those questions.
All I knew was that I felt like I was
living someone else's life. And so my
exploration in sobriety and ultimately
then in ultra endurance sports was
really my personal method of trying to
resolve these issues for myself to try
to learn who I am. I love that. What
advice do you have for people that are
living somebody else's life? How do you
help them get awareness of that? And
then B, once they realize, okay, I'm
living somebody else's life and this is
why, how do you help them figure out
what they really want for themselves?
It's an inside job. You know, one thing
you talk about all the time is goals,
setting goals, and being very clear
about what those goals are. I think that
that most people set the wrong goals for
themselves, and it's because they're
disconnected from who they are. they are
living someone else's life or they're
living a life that's so disconnected
from who they are it becomes very
difficult to set the right goal so I
think in order to reconcile that you
have to look inward you know and that
can be different for everybody that can
mean a consistent meditation practice
that can mean therapy that can mean uh
you know starting to do yoga it can mean
many many things but I think there's no
uh endun around the very difficult long
process of really trying to be honest
with yourself about who you are, what's
important to you, what you care about,
and then beginning to breathe life into
those things, as frivolous as they may
seem, to bring expression to the things
that that you do care about that that
that get you excited in the morning. And
that doesn't mean you quit your job
tomorrow. But the more you can uh foster
something that has personal importance
to you, uh I think that's the first step
in trying to u move past whatever it is
that's holding you back, whether it's
professionally or or personally, uh to
being a more integrated, authentic
version of yourself.
Yeah. Even hearing you talk about that,
it really sounds like that inward
reflection has a spiritual edge to it. I
don't know if you'd agree with that. Um,
you talked about in when you were first
going through rehab that the counselor
asked you, "Are you a spiritual being
having a human experience or a human
having a spiritual experience?" And I
literally was like, "What? I don't
understand." And then you said, and I
said, "What? I don't understand." Yeah.
So, walk us through cuz I'm like I get
some context from having, you know, seen
you talk about this a lot, but like help
me make that like something I can
internalize.
So, yeah, when I was in rehab, I was
asked that very question. I had the same
reaction that that you had. I I don't
understand what the question means, let
alone have any ability to answer it. But
I've I've since come to believe and and
tr truly believe that we're all
spiritual beings having a human
experience. And I don't mean that in any
specific dogmatic sense. Certainly not
in any specific religious sense. But I
do what I do mean by that is that
uh there's more to this experience of
being human than meets the eye. There's
more to it than we can possibly
comprehend.
uh and I think there are energies
available to us if we open our
perspective
and become more curious about the world
than I think we're programmed to be. So
for me that doesn't
I don't define that by any particular uh
specific spiritual approach other than
that it provides my experience as a
human being with a little bit more awe
and wonder than I used to have.
That's awesome. Talk to me about letting
go. That's like this really important
throughine in your life that's resulted
in this just incredibly beautiful stuff
happening to you. How like as a type A
control freak?
Yeah.
How does one go about letting go?
It's scary, right?
Terrifying.
Yeah.
Actually, wait. I I don't experience it
as fear.
I experience it as suboptimal. So now
maybe you can really help me because
that's the truth. I fear if I let go it
just won't be done well.
It's an assault. It's an assault to your
worldview.
Definitely
right. And I relate to that, you know,
as somebody who, as I explained earlier,
as a young person, I did the math and I
realized if I outwork everybody in the
pool, uh, I can be as good as anyone
else. If I outwork everyone in the
classroom, I can graduate at the top of
my class and get into Stanford and
Harvard. And so my worldview was
informed through the prism of those
experiences, which taught me
self-reliance is everything. Don't uh
don't expect anybody to do anything for
you. I'm the only one who can get it
done. And if you just buckle down and go
the extra mile, you will solve the
problem and you will make your way in
the world. Every success that I had had
in my life was a result of my self-will.
Why won't my self-will solve this
problem? And that hole got deeper and
deeper and deeper until I was a
completely broken human being. And I had
to raise my hand and ask for help for
the first time. And that forced me to
start to think about letting go and
surrender in a new way. And I've come to
believe and understand that surrender is
a very powerful courageous thing to do.
It's okay to say you don't know. It's
okay to ask for help. I had to let go of
this operating system and step into uh a
sense that perhaps there's a better way,
a greater way that involves me saying I
can't control this, which was terrifying
for me. But it is in that process that I
allowed people to help me. That I became
open to a new way of approaching my life
that has made me stronger, more
powerful, more capable, and more
successful than I ever thought that I
ever would be.
If you had to define in a single
sentence what it means to be integrated,
how would you define it?
When you're when you're when you're
clear on your values and your actions
align with your values. That's very
clear that that's something that's
really interesting. As you were talking
about it, I had an intuitive
understanding of like what that would be
in my language. Um, which I would say
for me it's what are the things that you
want
and then are you actually acting in
accordance with that. So like here are
the things that are my goals but they're
my goals because it's something that I
intrinsically
but why do you want what you want? And
if you can't answer that question then
you're not integrated.
That's interesting. Tell me more.
It goes back to what I was saying before
about people picking the wrong goals for
themselves because they're not
integrated. They don't know what their
values are. They're not clear on what's
important to them. They're not really in
contact with their internal muse. You
know, one of the examples I always give
is this idea that we all have some
unique song here to sing on planet
Earth. Like I I believe that. That
doesn't mean that everybody can be
LeBron James or that you have some
insane talent, but I believe that there
is a unique blueprint to every
individual. And our job here, you know,
in our short time on this planet, I know
you're going to live forever, but like
for everybody else, uh, is to discover
what that is and to work towards
expressing that to the best of your
ability. You know, we all have a unique
song and I think most people to echo the
words of Henry David do are are are
leading lives of quiet desperation and
go to the grave with the song still in
them. And I find that tragic. And so if
there's anything that um that that my
work is about, it's about helping people
become cognizant of that and to take
action so that they don't become that
person leading a life of quiet
desperation, which I think uh I don't
know, I wouldn't want to say most
people, but a lot of people are. And and
I find that heartbreaking.
I loved that you opened your book with
that quote. I uh that's one of the
quotes that I've probably repeated in
myself more times than just about
anything else because I've had moments
in my life that had been just quiet
agonizing desperation. And so I know
what that feels like. I I love that
notion of
there's like interference and that you
have to clear it out to be able to hear
your intuition. like what when you're
clearing that out, what is the um the
thing that will then happen for that
person that will allow them to begin to
get integrated like that?
Clarity, right? If you're if you're
eating garbage food, if you're eating
fast food and you're not sleeping and
you're, you know, drinking five cups of
coffee a day or whatever it is you're
doing and you're stressed out about your
job and you're just living moment to
moment to get through the day, do you
think that you're going to be in touch
with whatever is really important to
you? You're just trying to like, you
know, hit the pillow at night and pay
the bills. And that's most people. And
if you give people a minute to pause and
reflect and you can clear all of that
out and feed them healthy food and give
them a good night's rest and ask them
questions that most people aren't asking
them and they're certainly not asking
them themselves. I think that's the
process that begins or sets in motion
the the gears in the mind and in the
emotional body to begin to bring all of
that to the surface. What are those
questions now? Like I'm needles over
here.
Do you have like anything that you start
people on to get that the juices flowing
to get the ball rolling?
Well, it can be as easy as, you know,
what's your major malfunction right now?
What's the thing that keeps you up at
night? Who do you resent the most? What
are you afraid of? What do you want to
achieve? What's in what's in what do you
think is in your way? You know, I think
just by asking people questions and and
and and
then holding a vision
for that better life for them to say, "I
believe in you. I'm not here to tell you
what to do or how to live your life, but
I believe in your greatest expression,
and I'm going to hold space for you." To
give people permission to be honest, to
be vulnerable. We're so afraid of being
vulnerable.
We're terrified of being honest.
We're so used to being judged and being
held to a standard that society sets for
us that we don't give ourselves
permission to even ask these questions,
let alone answer them.
Dude, you should create like a
downloadable PDF or something like that.
Like that simple questions, but for
somebody that doesn't have like a place
to start, that's really really powerful.
All right, before I ask my last
question, tell these guys where they can
find you online.
Uh, I'm easy to find online.
richoll.com, the Rich Roll podcast,
wherever you listen to podcasts, and
Rich Roll on Twitter and Instagram.
All right, my last question. What is the
impact that you want to have on the
world?
It's a great question. Um, I
would like to
move the needle in a substantial
and longlasting way for as many people
as possible with respect to not only how
they think about and practice habits
around food and fitness and lifestyle,
but to really catalyze people to
understand that,
like I said earlier,
All of us, every single one of us
is capable of so much more than we allow
ourselves to believe. And I know that's
a theme on your show. David Gogggins
talked about it. James Lawrence talked
about it. These are friends of mine who
have touched the outer realms of
endurance. And ultra endurance teaches
you that. It's easy to say I'm an
outlier, but I'm not. I really am not
anything special. I had the courage and
the audacity to pursue these things. And
in so doing, I have realized that human
potential is malleable. We're all
sitting on top massive reservoirs of
untapped
potential and ability. And my dream and
my goal and everything that I do is
oriented around getting people to not
only understand that, but connect with
that and begin to practice that, to
manifest that in their own specific way.
I love that more than you could know,
Rich. Thank you so much for coming on
the show. That was awesome.
Cool.
Guys, when I say that you are going to
want to dive into this man's world, you
will not regret it. This is one of the
most extraordinary transformation
artists I've ever come across. There is
something about people that fall into
the ultra endurance category. They've
tapped into something in their mind.
It's not like they start out as
incredible athletes. In fact, I think of
all the people that we've had on, none
of them have started as extraordinary
athletes. All of them have found it
later. All of them have found it through
hard work. All of them have had to
realize that if they want to become
something extraordinary, then they've
got to put in the work. They've got to
just get in there and hustle. But what I
love about Rich is that sense of
spiritual transformation as well as just
the physical of really using that time
to figure out who he is, what he wants
and the values.
The fact that he lives by a code. I'm
telling you, rewind this, play it again.
He talks about values. You have to know
your values. What are your values? What
do you really want? And his
understanding that those things that you
want, they have to be tied to your
values. Okay, that to me once you
understand that, once you understand
that that has to be at the core of your
existence, then everything else gets
easier. But first, you have to know who
you are. You have to know what you want.
You have to know what you believe and
what you're going to live in accordance
with. That's so huge. It drips all over
everything that he talks about.
Subscribe to his podcast. It's
absolutely amazing. But even more
amazing than that are the interviews
that he gives. So, make sure you track
those down as well. You will be blown
away. let them change you. Please take
action on the stuff that he's talking
about. It really will change you and it
will change you forever. All right,
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friends, be legendary. Take care,
Rich. Thank you again,
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