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what are some of the biggest things that
people get wrong about fasting oh it's a
great first start the biggest thing is
they hook onto one fast and they do it
the same way over and over and over
again so once they come to fasting they
go okay wow got great results I feel
incredible
um I'm just skipping breakfast I'm
starting to eat at noon every day and
they just do that for months and months
and months and then they get stuck why
would that repetition be a problem and
is is there like a right entry point
yeah because I think if people haven't
tried fasting they probably just think
just don't eat
or and this this will be interesting uh
there are things that I probably don't
consider a fast that you might consider
a fast yeah so
um let's get into that is there one
beginner's entry point two fasting yeah
you know where The Beginner's entry
point is if you really want it to be
like Smooth it's with your food so if
you want fasting to that whole world of
fasting to become much easier the first
thing is change three ingredients change
your oils change your carbs so you're
eating more of Nature's carbs less
refined carbs and get off any toxic
ingredients if you change those three
things now you're going to metabolically
switch over into what we call the fat
burning State much quicker now you don't
have to and a lot of people don't but if
you're asking me what's the easiest way
door in it's just let's clean up a
little bit of the diet now the second
step is let's just start pushing your
breakfast back like a half hour an hour
and you're gonna what you're going for
is you're trying to compress all of your
food into one eating window and if you
do those two things it's kind of like
there's a click that happens and all of
a sudden it's like oh you're fasting
it's easier it's and it just becomes
effortless because it's our Natural
State it's the way the body was designed
to be so but toxic ingredients toxic
food makes us more insulin resistant
eating all day is destroying
mitochondrial energy and so we're not
able to make that switch as easily which
is why I like to start with the food
interesting okay so to do a fast well
step one is to reorient your diet to
something that isn't causing metabolic
damage I'm not sure yeah yeah
inflammatory metabolic damage so you're
looking like let's use an example
um
um canola oil or like cottonseed oil or
or some of those basically the oils that
everything you eat unless unless you are
buying Whole Foods yourself is cooked in
okay so there's bing bing bing that's
the the answer right there is let's get
back to Whole Foods foods that are
coming out of Nature and if I if I went
into your house and I just swapped out
all the oils for avocado oil and olive
oil you'd be you you wouldn't notice a
taste and it's the same to cook with and
if you're doing that mixed with Whole
Foods and meats if you eat Meats then
now you're actually more congruent with
what the human body wants it's when we
get all these fancy ingredients and
toxic inflammatory uh easy to make
ingredients that it makes that metabolic
switch so much more difficult which is
why I always say just let's and it's not
like it doesn't have to be rigid you can
be playful about it like let me just see
what I can do to stop eating so many
inflammatory oils Mindy there's nothing
playful about starving to death so this
is it's interesting I'm as you're saying
this I'm like wow I'm one of the people
that would probably propagate some of
the myths and create problems for people
because I'm forgetting how hard it was
for me to metabolically transition
because I did it so long ago
so
um going back to this framing of okay
before you want to fast you want to get
things right my literally until nine
seconds ago when you said that my my
instinct would be to tell people hey
just start lengthening the window
between what you eat is yeah but if I
flash back to when I just when I went
low carb so I didn't even consider
fasting didn't think about fasting and
honestly I think you know 20 plus years
ago when I started all this
I would have thought of fasting as
dangerous and
part of the reason I would have thought
of fasting is dangerous is going without
food but really it was sugar because I
was a sugar burner at the time it hurt
you know what I mean like so
um I'll do this frequently when I have a
guest on around fasting so I'm fasted
right now I'm over 19 hours into my fast
as we're doing this uh and there's no
sense of suffering yeah and don't get me
wrong I have a mild sense that I'm
hungry yeah but I it's not overwhelming
it's certainly not impairing my
cognition but when I first went low carb
it was so devastating and I had these
terrible headaches and I remember my
wife and I got in this big fight because
uh I was like if I just eat a cookie I
will feel better and she was like then
eat the cookie but stop complaining like
whatever you're gonna do either get on
the other side of this or uh eat the
cookie but don't not eat the cookie and
keep complaining and so I was like okay
that's probably pretty good advice so
for somebody who's at the beginning walk
me through you mentioned it but let's go
a little bit deeper in terms of what is
that that click over that people are
looking for what is metabolic
flexibility what is being a sugar burner
or how do we get on the other side of
that yeah so it's such a good question
and it's interesting because I'm
thinking as you're talking I'm like yeah
you know my advice used to be hey the
door end of fasting is compress the
eating window and leave a longer period
of time for fasting but we just saw
millions of people on my YouTube channel
where they would write in comments and
they're like I can't metabolically
switch over I'm really struggling so
then I start to change well let's start
by cleaning up so do fasting but they
feel terrible yeah oh yeah so and that's
the thing is that we we need to look at
this like a switch so when you're eating
food you are in a sugar burner state so
what's happening is that your blood
sugar is going up and then you stop
eating and then the blood sugar starts
to come down and usually when it gets to
a certain point you get hungry and so
you eat again and so you're just doing
this all day long but what word saying
when you want to be metabolically
flexible is we want to keep your blood
sugar fairly low
so that we can switch you over into this
fat burning place and once you switch
over into the fat burner place there's a
whole world of healing internal healing
that is going to happen a lot more than
just weight loss there's a lot more
brain like to your point I love that you
show up fasted I showed up fasted too
and I do it as a Performance Tool
because I know I'm going to get ketones
that are going to power up my brain I
know inflammation is going to come down
I know I can get rid of senescent cells
I know I can reboot my immune system I
know I can add more dopamine receptor
sites the longer I stay over here but if
I'm over here bringing my blood sugar up
all the time getting this switch becomes
like Rusty and you just can't get over
there so the suffering happens in that
switch and that's what I'm trying to get
people out of because fasting is like
sleeping it is our natural healing state
feet and just because we know sleeping
is amazing doesn't mean that everybody
can sleep
it's really interesting so uh
I want people to understand and some
people will be they'll already know a
lot about fasting and fair enough but
for people that don't understand there
are actually two fuel sources that your
body can use glucose sugar that's where
most people spend all their time and
even if you're eating a high protein
diet some of the protein can be turned
by your body into glucose and so most
people live their entire lives there in
a modern context but from an
evolutionary context your body would
need to be able to go whoa there's no
food I can't just Keel over and die and
this is the whole point of storing body
fat but I think one thing that people
Miss is that if you're constantly
intaking calories
uh especially if you're eating a lot of
carbohydrates you may never and I mean
never switch over into burning your fat
and so your body is is just storing and
I remember the first time it hit me that
hold on a second there are people who
they are literally only getting fatter
their entire life so the fat that they
put on when they were nine is still just
stored and it's never been released
because you're only going to release
that fat if the blood sugar drops to a
certain level for an extended period of
time and then your insulin becomes low
and now the fat can actually be released
into the body that was like startling
and I was like yeah oh my God so what
we're trying to do is create a scenario
where and for people that that are just
listening not watching we both keep
doing this motion with our hands of like
clicking over
you're trying to create the
um the setup so that your body will go
oh word I don't have any food coming in
so I need now to switch the Machinery
the the literal metabolic Machinery over
to burning ketones instead of glucose
once you do it and this is the thing I
always try to get people to understand
once you do this it will change your
relationship to hunger it isn't that you
don't feel hunger like I'm hungry right
now it's not overwhelming by any means
but I am hungry but I'm not distracted
by it I'm not it's not diminishing my
performance And So It Goes hunger goes
from this thing of like it's all
consuming it changes my mood
um I can't be productive to
uh yes I would like to eat but there's
no sense of urgency so well said so well
said so I had the same aha moment when I
first dove into the science of fasting I
it hit me one day I was like oh my God
we have the wrong discussion when it
comes to weight loss and food we're over
here looking at the sugar burner system
and we're saying this is the diet that
you know maybe it's vegan maybe maybe
it's carnivore maybe it's the HGH diet
maybe it's Weight Watchers whatever
we're over here debating the weight loss
diet and we've left the whole fat
burning system out of the equation like
how did we get as humans to this point
where we have only been looking at food
as as the possibility for gaining or
losing weight we've missed out a whole
metabolism and I think that's what I
want people to understand is this is how
your body Burns fat it does not burn fat
by manipulating food it burns fat by
manipulating when you eat and how much
time you're giving the body a break from
whatever food you've chosen that's how
you burn fat
it's really interesting so when we talk
about step one if you want to get into
fasting is actually to change the foods
that you intake when you are eating
when I think about some of the fat diets
that have happened where you know people
are like doing juice cleanses and stuff
like that and ends up not being
sustainable is it are they I mean they
must be getting into a fat burning mode
just through the the sheer reduction of
calories but is it
causing is it is it just that it becomes
so hard to switch the metabolism over
that it's a very unpleasant thing to go
that long without calories because the
juice is so high in carbohydrate well so
conversation
well we've done in reducing calories
over here or out exercise or upping our
exercise is we change our set point so
let's use an example let's say you bring
in a thousand calories or let's let's
give it a little more 1500 calories
still very low very low and you you
exercise 500 so now you have Delta of a
thousand so in order to keep the weight
that you're at you have to always have
around that Delta of a thousand calories
what happened with fasting that changed
the weight loss game is people got out
of that mode and they started to see
weight if I just changed the time period
Then what happens is I go over here into
this fat burning mode and I can be there
19 hours 20 hours 36 hours is one of the
greatest weight loss
fasting lengths and my body is so smart
that what it does is it says to your
point hey word there's no food coming in
so we're going to click over into
another fuel source called ketones and
we're going to make this Ketone by
burning fat and the only way we can get
that is by clicking over we can't even
get that by reducing our carbs down we
can't get that by you know struggling in
a low calorie diet and every time we're
over here trying to manipulate this
system we are only finding ourselves
suffering and not being able to sustain
those results which is why I think the
fasting movement took off is all of a
sudden people were like wait a second
over here there's a whole other level of
Health I never knew was possible and I
could never accomplish when I was
focused on just the foods I was eating
so let me ask them
um so I have I've done a fair amount of
fasting I intermittent fast 365 days a
year which you may tell me is actually
not ideal I vary the length so on the
weekends it's going to be maybe 14 ish
hours but during the week it's you know
18 19 hours
but if I'm just doing caloric
restriction so I'll I'll paint a picture
I used to be 60 pounds heavier and I
over two years I dieted down and I did
what I'll call rabbit starvation so I
was eating virtually no fat virtually no
carbohydrate it was just literally
um boiled chicken breasts and steamed
broccoli I mean that was basically my
life for two years and it was miserable
yeah it sounds like really miserable uh
it was still super inflammatory and but
I didn't understand any of that while I
was doing it and now I can control my
weight so much easier through fasting so
but why why would it be that keeping my
calories and I was about at about 1500
which is why I made a point of saying
that's really low because that was
painful for two years
um
why would that be so deeply unpleasant
whereas even doing a punctuated 24 like
if I did it would be if I had to redo it
all even just doing a 24-hour fast once
a week probably would have led me to
roughly the same results absolutely um
so why was and I actually don't know the
answer to this why was one so unpleasant
and the other so manageable because if
I'm burning fat I must be in ketosis
right not necessarily not not
necessarily I mean it would have been
interesting back then to put a ketone
reader on you you know to measure it and
see where you're at yeah when what in
that example what was happening is you
were bringing your blood sugar down and
that up and then it would go down and
when it would go down if you ate again
it would you would just it would go back
up and then it would go down you know I
was just eating chicken breast and
broccoli oh yeah yeah yeah well broccoli
you know it's gonna it's got glucose and
it has just chicken and to your point
protein will will raise will elevate
your blood sugar but you're just going
up and down within one system you and
again it would have been really
interesting to know your Ketone levels
because once you click over and you're
making ketones what ketones do is they
turn off the hunger hormone and then
they also sharpen the brain and you when
you when you think about that why would
the body do that I mean this is the way
I'm the way my brain thinks is I always
go into what is the body trying to do
well back in the Primal days when we had
to go hunt for food
we needed this alternative fuel source
to power us up so that we could we could
go and find food so when key to when
you're burning fat and you're getting
this Ketone Rush hunger gets turned off
mental Clarity becomes very very uh
focused and and your muscles start to
power up and you become a hunting
machine
because you're supposed to go find food
for your survival
so now in this day and age we don't have
that we can get stay on the couch and
get onto our phone and just have
doordash bring us food and we don't ever
have to leave the sugar burner system
but if we don't then we never get the
healing that's over there we never get
the performance angle that's over there
so on what I would say is in your
example even though it was low glucose
you weren't raising your glucose you
were probably not getting as much of the
Ketone Rush that you could have used if
you had just taken that same diet and
compressed it into maybe an eight to ten
hour eating window now that diet would
have probably worked better for you
because you would have clicked over into
ketosis and felt amazing that's so
interesting and you're right I wish I
had had
um so I when I'm really tracking this I
do finger Pricks like constantly uh also
I'll wear a continuous glucose monitor
but they didn't exist at least easily
back then
um but now so I didn't know about
ketosis when I was doing this
so I can't swear but now that I know
ketosis I can feel it I know when I
click over like I can guess when I hit
about 0.5 yeah I can tell you I'm at
about 0.5 when I hit one I can get
pretty close I'm usually within like
point two of where I'm at which is
pretty trippy when you think about how
it's like oh I know this feeling yep
cool I'm in ketosis I'm going to
guarantee this is like a 0.5 to a point
seven or this is a one to a 1.2 I'm
somewhere around there
um I as it goes higher than that I can't
really track so anyway I bring that up
because when I was doing rabbit
starvation I never felt that
am I going to call it a sense of relief
I never felt that like I'm okay here it
was two years of misery to the point
where my wife at the end of it pulled me
aside and was like you don't have a
personality and it was because I was
just grumpy all the time and there's no
sort of joy in Mudville which is what
when you originally said like you know
there's there's some playfulness to all
this and I was like not back then yeah
there was no playfulness it was
horrendous yeah and so when I think
about
people trying to get into this
I imagine if they've ever missed a meal
and they're so annoyed and so frustrated
they can't
grapple with no there's really when you
click over into fat metabolism it really
does feel very very different yeah so
okay let's talk about people then that
can't imagine that how do you help them
cross the chasm we were talking about
this before we started rolling you love
somebody uh they think fasting is
dangerous let's start with that well the
fasting is dangerous piece is the first
thing is you need to get caught up on
the current science because the current
science is is mind-blowing and in the
book I put six different lengths out
that were all based off science but one
of my the easiest one to kind of wrap
your head around is what we call 16-8
where they show that if you take all the
the let's say you don't work on your
food you're just going to eat the
standard uh Western diet highly
inflammatory but you eat it in an eight
hour eating window leaving along this 16
hour period where you're not eating you
are literally metabolically immune from
insulin going up glucose going up high
blood pressure liver damage cholesterol
you become immune from the the damages
that that high inflammatory diet has
okay that alone is mind-blowing to me
because let's say you're listening to
this and you're like well I don't really
want to change my food I've got food
addiction issues and I've worked with a
lot of people with food addiction that
we've been able to help them overcome it
by learning how to fast
if you just start to tiptoe your way in
like I'm just saying you can let's say
you're like listening to this you're
like I'm not doing the food changes okay
so could I just get you to push your
breakfast back a half hour now you're
I'm not take a second to Define
intermittent fasting or time restricted
eating so people know the difference
between what I'll call a water only fast
uh
in fact walk us through the six stages I
think that's the right place so uh and
and I think the a deeper part of that
question is what what is a fasted State
and it's really when that blood sugar
comes down enough that it triggers the
body to switch
so that's the first thing to know at uh
13 hours we start to see that growth
hormone goes up which is what slows down
the aging process helps us burn fat we
also see in men we see testosterone
start to go up 1300 increase in
testosterone with just a 15-hour time
period which is insane insane we see
inflammation CRP goes down which is an
inflammatory blood marker will start to
go down 13 hours all at 13 hours in fact
one of the greatest studies ever done on
women was they took a group of women
after they had had traditional breast
cancer treatment and they had them just
fast 13 hours every single day and they
noticed that there was a 64 percent less
reoccurrence of breast cancer in the
group that all they did as fast was 13
hours a day they didn't even change
their food they just fasted if your
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so when we at that intermittent fasting
level is really easy can be easy I know
if you're listening to this and you're
like it's not easy and I want to come
back to how do we make it easy for these
people but that's the destination we're
going to is once we get to that first
ledge of 13 hours okay now metabolically
things are changing that or if you can
just do that repetitively which I
haven't had a person I haven't been able
to get to 13 hours consistently within a
matter of weeks we can get them there
and so now you're there you're
experiencing this okay what else do you
want to experience 17 hours we stimulate
autophagy the cells start to repel them
repair themselves and old aging cells
get you get rid of 24 hours your whole
gut might resets and you get intestinal
stem cell stem cells that come in and
repair the whole inner lining of the gut
36 hours your body goes and finds that
stubborn fat specifically around the
belly and it starts to burn that for
energy 48 hours with no food coming in
now all of a sudden you're getting new
dopamine receptor sites okay why are you
getting that because your brain has got
to get motivated to go find food so you
reboot the whole dopamine system and
then 72 hours the whole immune system
reboots itself and recycles itself
that's that's without a drug that's
without a supplement that's crazy that's
why I'm like this we have to get to get
this out to the world this is our door
out of chronic disease we just gotta
train people how to get over there and
that's then to your point getting over
there is the hardest part but once you
learn how to do it it's it's insane it's
insane the Miracles that your body will
perform yeah so this the pushback on
um this is a dangerous game fasting
that's the one that really uh drives me
crazy yeah because the exact opposite is
true that's right and if people don't
get into things like like autophagy
then there so look this is hypothesis
and I'm certainly not a researcher but
when I look at some of the information
like you talk about breast cancer but
just cancer in general some of the
hypotheses that are coming out some of
the early studies that show that you can
decrease your likelihood of certain
cancers through fasting it's utterly
fascinating and it makes sense if we
know that the thing all of us have
cancer cells in our body at any time
like if you were to take uh I would
imagine just a blood biopsy probably
enough you'd be able to detect cancer of
certain types but the immune system is
going in identifying these cells and
shutting that down and if you have an
immune system that is compromised
because you're chronically battering it
with highly inflammatory foods and so
the immune system is just working
overdrive to keep the inflammation up
because remember the inflammation is
good in certain contexts chronic
inflammation is bad so you've got your
immune system working overdrive to keep
up all this inflammation
and it's not been able to get to all
these cells so autophagy which we
haven't defined yet it's probably worth
telling people exactly what autophagy is
so that they understand getting that to
turn on ends up being a very big pro
health issue yeah so autophagy is where
the cells realize that there's no
nutrients it's nutrients and blood sugar
glucose coming into the cell so it's
like an internal mechanism where the
cell goes huh nothing's coming in okay
we got to make sure a that we're a
better version of ourselves so we need
to clean up the inner workings here so
it'll push out viruses it'll push out
bacteria out of the cell and say hey
you're not serving the cellular energy
right now it will go into Old Parts
Cellular Parts and the endoplasmic
reticulum and the mitochondria and it's
like hey we got to clean up our act
because we have to be of more efficient
cell the other thing that it does is
it'll say hey you know what this cell's
going rogue the cells becoming a cancer
cell this is a senescent zombie cell
that's going to start to Aid you quickly
quickly they're a weak member of the
team and so in this fasted state where
no glucose is coming in no nutrients are
coming in uh you're a liability and we
need to get rid of you and so it gets
rid of those cells so it's like taking
the trillions of cells in your body and
cleaning them up and clean and getting
rid of the ones that are no longer
serving you
again I don't know a supplement or a
medication that can hit autophagy in
that way like fasting does it just
cleans everything up when you get into
that autophagy State it's really
profound yeah the fun thing so my wife
is Greek and so I have done my best to
learn the Greek language and
um autophagy is autophagy which is
self-eating which is pretty interesting
to when you think about it that way that
the body actually goes and says okay
you're not going to feed me cool then
I'm going to eat things in that are
already inside the body but it has so
much
um without saying cheesy phrases like
evolutionary intelligence to what it
eats and in what order yep but one thing
that I've heard people say is that one
other thing that gets eaten is the
bacteria in your gut the microbiome will
actually eat the mucosal layer of your
intestines and then that can be
problematic what say you you to that is
there a problem with that in the fasted
State yeah oh I love this question
because when you look at the science and
I've spent
I mean ridiculous amount of time on
PubMed going through all these articles
what's so interesting about the
microbiome is in the fasted State you're
right what happens is though there's a
dramatic shift where bacteria that no
longer serve you are being die are being
killed off the whole pH of the system is
changing there's something called
geographical relocation where all of a
sudden the microbes start to spread out
so they're not all clumped together in
the fasted effectively foraging like
there's nothing to be found here that's
actually really interesting idea they
probably are you're probably right
they're like yeah I never thought about
why are they spreading out it's it's
because they need to they need to find
where the nutrients are so they instead
of being clumped together they spread
out it's very interesting so if I was to
do a stool test on day three of a fast
or let's let's make it more applicable
to the average person somebody who's
intermittent fasting and they've been
doing it every day 15 hours and on the
30th day I go in there and I look at the
microbiome it may look as if there was a
depletion
but that's okay because we want to
create a change we want to get rid of
the microbes that are no longer working
for us which is why what you break your
fast with is massively important because
if you reintroduce the the foods that
feed the good microbes now I think of it
like this you fasted and the microbes
are like okay like we spread out there
are no nutrients there's no glucose like
things are changing in here we got rid
of the bad guys not sure what to do now
and you come in with a bunch of
sauerkrauts and you come in with nuts
and seeds and you come in with
polyphenols like olives and even like
dark chocolate and all of a sudden the
good microbes are like hey wait our food
our food is here it's here we can eat
and then it the good microbes eat and
now you're rebuilding your microbiome so
when we look at gut changes it's the
combination of the fasting window with
what you reintroduce food what foods you
reintroduce back in that's really
interesting so it it becomes oh God I
don't know how the medical community is
going to respond to this but uh the
reason that
um chemotherapy works is it basically
weakens everything like it it just
obliterates your entire immune system
kills off so many cells but
the idea is that a cancer cell is a
little bit more vulnerable than
everything else and so you go just far
enough to kill the cancer cells but not
so far that you end up killing the
healthy cells so fasting sounds like it
might be working in a similar fashion
where it weakens everybody but if you
come back with only food that feeds the
good guys now the bad guys never get out
of their weakened State and they
continue to die off because there's
nothing in your reintroduction to bring
them back yeah that's really interesting
so it's like hey guys I'm going to
weaken you all but I'm only going to
re-feed the good guys that makes a lot
of sense I never thought about that I
was a little maybe more Reckless than
that with my refeed yeah uh
so okay so you already hit us with the
things that we should be eating the one
in there that I didn't understand
because I look I I give criminal amounts
of side eye to uh nuts and seeds so
break me of that myth well so it is a
Prebiotic so for starters it needs to be
raw let's start with that because nuts
and seeds that are pasteurized or dry
roasted or dead it's dead food so it
tastes so much better yeah right hold on
I don't know really you don't agree no
I'm one of my madness one of my favorite
things is raw cashew or raw cashew
butter I won't say that it's not nice
but compared to a roasted one oh yeah no
I can't I can't my my taste buds can't
taste a difference that's interesting
but what about almonds can you taste the
difference yeah definitely now that is a
little grassier let's just say it's a
little more a raw like
best way to eat in eat an almond is
sprouted raw organic like that has the
most amount of nutrients in it and you
know the the logical thing is well what
about the lectins and the oxalates well
when you leave those enzymes in there
those lectins and oxalates don't matter
anymore because you have the enzyme
innately in that sprouted almond that's
going to help you break down the lectins
and oxalates the Menace you dry roast it
you've killed that so now you put it in
in your body and yeah the lectins and
oxalates are going to be a problem but I
will to your taste bud question I will
say a sprouted almond is not a culinary
taste bud joy that goes on with that
it's not not as good like I love roasted
almonds they are absolutely fabulous and
I used to uh eat a lot of pecans long
time listeners in my show will know that
I had to abandon them because they are I
have some sort of dramatic problem with
them yeah
um and so I ended up getting tremendous
amounts of brain fog finally figured out
that it was the pecans who would have
known should have just asked my sister
who gets migraines from pecans
didn't put two and two together I don't
get migraines but massive brain fog but
anyway the uh raw ones I would force
myself to eat raw ones because I thought
they were better but the taste profile
oh my God like a a roasted pecan is is
freakishly good it is a cruel trick that
nature has played on me because I find
them absolutely fabulous did you get a
headache did you get a headache with the
raw see so there's this the same thing
with dairy oh but it would totally ruin
whether I eat them raw or baked doesn't
matter in terms of brain fog I just
don't get headaches right my sister does
okay because that's the it's what we do
to food often that makes it now a toxic
food for us so it dairies the same thing
and this isn't I don't know why this has
to be so controversial but when you
pasteurize Dairy you're killing the the
probiotic the good bacteria that's going
in you're killing the enzymes it is a
dead food when you take that same food
and you leave it raw now when you drink
it you've got the enzymes you've got the
probiotics to break down the lactose
that you might be reacting to okay time
out
so are you saying that because I ended
up cutting out Dairy so I would on
Sunday so I have a whole routine Monday
through Friday I'm ultra strict uh super
clean Whole Food
Saturday I eat whatever the hell I want
including ice cream yeah but on Sundays
was the day that I would get the
weirdest reaction from my food so I
wouldn't have any problem with my ice
cream on Saturday but on Sunday by the
end of the evening I would get so
internally hot I don't know how to
explain it I felt like I was warm not
like you get warm from the outside I was
worn from the inside I'm like oh this
feels so weird I do not like the way
this feels whenever somebody comes to me
with a problem like that I say what are
you eating a lot of and figure that out
and I'm like the only thing I'm eating a
lot of on Sunday is pizza and so but I'm
scraping the toppings I'm not even
eating the bread so I'm like
okay cheese pepperoni olives like what
is it and as soon as I cut out the
cheese I was fine so I was like whoa I'm
having a problem with dairy so are you
saying that if I were eating
unpasteurized Dairy that I would be okay
yeah yeah that is what I'm saying and
I'd love for you to try it it exists
yeah in America oh yeah well so let's go
down that Dairy the raw cheese cow's
Dairy yes is gonna have these enzymes in
it now when we look at the molecule size
of dairy we have to remember that for
our human guts the best thing that we
can digest when it comes to milk is
mother's milk and the molecule size is
probably you know like the size of them
what do you mean human yeah like yeah
like mother yeah like human milk yeah is
there a business here
I mean it's weird like we all feel like
it's uh taboo but this is a whole
another drink milk from the breast of a
cow but we're weird about drinking milk
from the breast of a human that's I mean
look there's maybe some bizarre moral
implications but I'm gonna yeah I'll ask
it so
are we like if we could get
unpasteurized human milk are we like in
a great metabolic position oh it's
incredibly healing just talk to although
it's so high in sugar yeah well so so
you're gonna have to I mean you'd have
to test it on yourself with a monitor or
something like that again is it high in
sugar and is it causing you a problem
that's a whole nother can of worms to go
down because what's high in sugar and
causing you problems may be different
than what's causing me problems based
off our microbial differences in our gut
so we can't just say oh any anything is
like a a wonderful like let's just use
the milks that this is going to raise
your blood sugar for everybody and and
this is going to bring it down there is
the Nuance of what goes on in your gut
bacteria that controls that so that's
the first thing but I want to go back to
your to your to your question which is
when we look at human milk like breast
milk yeah it it has all the immune
enhancing capabilities that we don't get
in other animal milk and its molecule
size is easier on our digestive tract so
when we look at why so many people are
reacting to Dairy cow's Dairy we have to
realize is that it's this cow's Dairy is
like this huge molecule size it's like
you know let's just for the people
listening that aren't visually seeing
this it's like a basketball size whereas
mother's milk human milk is like a
tennis ball size so there's this
molecular mismatch that's so hard on our
gut now in between those is sheeps and
goat and they're a little bit closer to
a human mother's milk molecule size
which is why a lot of people can't do
cows but they can do goat now if you
take the very very best milk out there
outside of Mother's Milk would be raw
goat's milk because now you've got the
enzymes you've got the probiotic and you
have the molecule size and they make
that in cheese and if you could put that
on your pizza it would be a game changer
okay so how do we safely get raw goat's
milk into our lives
I thought you're gonna say mother's
balcony no well I mean so um
it's in supermarkets all the time yeah
oh yeah if you ever go to air one what
yeah it's gonna be in a higher end yeah
raw and you go to Europe safe yeah and
well so when you're looking at cheese
remember that cheese has been fermented
so that's I mean look at what a
charcuterie you know experience why do
they pasteurize the milk before turning
into cheese if we're already gonna get
the fermentation process
it's a great question well I think
pasteurized milk it became a safety
issue for so many years when you are
mass producing large amounts of milk
then you're going to end up having this
issue of like okay some people are gonna
react to this bacteria differently than
others so I think that's where it
originally came from but if you go and
study the Western price foundation you
know he's been that that whole world
under the Western price world has been
around raw dairy for years and that raw
dairy can be healing
um it's it just it's like one of those
myths that's perpetuated so you go and
walk into air one walk into Whole Food
well Whole Foods they have raw goat's
cheese but the higher end really
high-end health stores and a lot of the
farmers markets have raw goat it's it's
the taste that's going to be the biggest
issue you might not like the taste well
I don't know that's uh so again my wife
is Greek she's actually from Cyprus or
families from Cyprus and so she
introduced me to something called
halloumi which is typically made from
goat's milk and I couldn't love halloumi
anymore if I tried now the irony is
until this conversation I'd cut it
effectively out of my life because I was
worried that it fell into whatever was
going on with me getting overly hot when
I eat too much cheese uh but if goat's
milk isn't problematic because I had
actually never noticed it with halloumi
and so that might be why that's really
really interesting about think about
this from this angle when the whole
world ends this isn't kind of like a
nutritional fad right now but remember
when lactose intolerant was like a thing
everybody would walk around and maybe I
thought it was Yeah well yeah I just
don't hear it and people say they they
go well I can't do gluten which is a
whole other conversation but I don't
hear people walk around and say I'm
lactose intolerant
um and but they used to and then we
would give them lactate or lactic
enzymes or there was special milk or
they'd put the lactose back in
okay but wait we pasteurized this
product we killed all the enzymes
and now we have to add an enzyme back in
that we just killed to be a make it so
that some people can digest it why don't
we just keep it in its raw form and I
feel like this with all food it's when
we start to manipulate food and change
it that it becomes unhealthy gluten is
the same place right now we've we're
breeding a whole different strain of of
gluten but when we just come back to the
basics this is like such a big part of
my message is we've over complicated
food and we just need to come back to
how do I get that food in its most
natural state where it hasn't been
touched by man and then I pair that with
these different fasting windows I truly
believe that is the diet that most
humans should be working from and that's
how we end chronic disease but the
minute we think we gotta burn out the
bacteria and then add some enzymes in or
the whole gluten-free world has become
this like you read those ingredients
they're incredibly toxic the keto
world's the same thing all the low carb
foods are now adding toxins back in and
we have totally destroyed a great
example with keto is Oroweat just came
out with a keto bread I picked that
thing up I looked at it and I was like
this is just a toxic bomb so yeah maybe
it won't raise your blood sugar but it's
got toxins in it that's going to make
metabolically switching very difficult
are there certain toxic ingredients
people should be on the lookout for
yeah except for they keep changing them
all the time so you know for starters
um any of the the bad oils so in this
bread because it's keto they wanted to
keep the fat content up so it had canola
oil and cotton seed oil so it's
inflammatory and makes you insulin
resistant now if they made that same
bread with olive oil
now you're now you're now you're in the
bar the ball what is the thing that they
do to make a bread keto how are you what
what's the the mass that they're using
if it isn't uh wheat yeah usually
they'll do like almond or the and
they'll put like urethra tall as a
sweetener or Stevia as a sweetener which
can also still elevate your blood sugar
so
um tapioca flour is another big one that
they'll add in
um but you know again this is why I'm a
fan isn't going to spike your blood
sugar well exactly it's it will but they
what they've done is they've removed
what we perceive as the grains and
they've added in substituting grains but
surely the the package will say this has
x amount of carbohydrates and if it's
above a certain threshold like even if
keto is just a marketing word and it's
it doesn't I don't know if keto has a
medical definition or not yeah from the
FDA but uh uh
tapioca flour is used in a lot of a lot
of Keto foods and I know people that
have measured their glucose after eating
it uh not on this particular one because
but that would be the place to go
individually the end of one this is
where everybody would need to go
themselves I can tell you what I have
measured on myself
um that's a big keto trend is all the
cauliflower flowers so cauliflower pizza
cauliflower chips those are cons they'll
say on the packaging grain free and what
I when I measured on a glucose monitor
it's it spikes my blood glucose
incredibly High interesting because of
the
um the what what's the little white
thing called you just said it
um
having a stroke over here what did I say
about fasting doesn't impair your
cognition maybe it does uh so
cauliflower uh would if you just ate raw
cauliflower would it Spike you well so
there you go now we got some Fiber in
the raw cauliflower but when we distill
it down into an actual flour
f-l-o-u-r different type of flower
now you've refined it anything we've
refined we've now manipulated it and
that spikes blood sugar
okay interesting this is why boys and
girls at home watching or listening I'm
telling you cgms are awesome yeah
continuous glucose matter
um it uh I'm I'm very unsensitive to a
certain part of the population that
cannot control their obsessions and so
whenever I talk about measuring stuff
inevitably there are people that are
like oh like don't get obsessed with
measuring things I I think that's the
wrong message get control of your mind
don't allow yourself to fall prey to
Loops like yes you don't want to become
obsessive that's very wise but to
something that you've said multiple
times you have to be able to do an N of
one you have to understand how your body
responds to certain things so I'll I'll
put pecans and baby carrots on the table
for me I could never have imagined that
pecans would create brain fog in me and
I really wouldn't have guessed that baby
carrots will Spike my blood sugar my
glucose uh like not it's not as bad as
ice cream I don't want to exaggerate but
if I eat carrots to satiety I'll go from
say 84.85 to 115 120 125 depending on
how hard I go and so I remember the
first time I looked at my uh data and I
was like what the hell did I eat that
spiked me like that I'm like that's like
a Saturday Spike right and I realized it
was baby carrots yeah and I was like
whoa now I can eat one or two and I'm
not gonna see a big move but if I again
if I eat them to satiety I'm gonna eat
and these are baby carrots but I'm gonna
eat 15 yep and so I just I really
thought vegetables were a free pass yeah
barring things like sweet potato or
potato or whatever like I got that Roots
like that we're gonna Spike me but I
really didn't see carrots coming and so
one carrots are high in sugar already
which I just wasn't thinking about but
it may not Spike my wife in the same way
that it does me and so in fact the
difference in how we respond to food
between my wife and I is dramatic and so
that really became the first n of one
for us was we could sit side by side eat
the same thing and have wildly different
responses and so measuring this stuff
seeing for yourself what works what
doesn't yeah I think is really really
important so anyway it'd be utterly
fascinating to
try something like a cauliflower
f-l-o-u-r uh and see if that spiked me
because man when I look at things like
that I think free pass if this tastes
good I'm all in
so one of the things that I've really
realized in teaching the world fasting
is how how this food addiction is such a
hurdle for so many people and I and I'm
going to take it back to the women
because I feel like you know it's when
fast like a girl came out what has
really shocked me is how many 20 and 30
year olds women are have are just have
massive eating disorders and what I'm
seeing clinically working with these
women the ones that I'm working with
one-on-one is that when we get them
changing the calorie counting
conversation and we get them doing
instead of counting calories counting
blood sugar put a CGM on them and say
okay now go eat and just eat you usually
what I do is I say go eat whatever
you're going to eat you can count your
calories however you want to count them
the first couple of weeks and then send
me your glucose map and let's look at
this what we're seeing is that these
women that feel like they're in control
because they're counting calories what
they're doing is they're getting these
glucose spikes that are up and down all
day long which is actually keep keeping
them in this sugar burner State longer
so then I I switch that around and I say
to your baby carrot example try baby
carrots with some hummus try it with
some cheese now go scan your glucose
monitor let's look let's see what
happens and I would tell you the same
thing what is it when we add a protein
or a fat to a carbohydrate even if that
carbohydrate has fiber like a like a
baby carrot you slow that Spike down and
you can most likely handle that food
better and it's going to help you if
you're not spiking your blood sugar
you're going to be able to switch over
into the fat burner fasted state so much
better
um
it's really interesting so here's a
horrible thing but I think you're gonna
jive with this when I meet a woman I
just assume sheather has or has had an
eating disorder period
why why is that such a safe assumption
you won't be 100 correct but man yeah
you're gonna be right A lot of the time
yeah yeah that breaks my heart and and
you're probably right uh God so many so
many things but I will tell you that the
big big ones that I see one is that you
know it's the societal we're trying to
look a certain way and so we've been
taught to look out that our external how
we look externally is how we get love
it's how we get validation because
that's the society that we're living in
and will you let me push back on that
yeah please and I'm very open but I I
would say that's you're raging against
biology not Society
um tell me more so when I think about
this and this is this isn't a free pass
to just be oh however we end up being as
a society that's fine because it's born
to biology but I think that um
when you understand what prompts it
which is nature has reached inside my
brain and said you're going to find
these things attractive because they're
signs of fertility now of course there
are also there's a societal layer so
when I was young the thing that was in
Vogue was like super skinny but still
large breasts right and now it's big
butts are like the rage and women that
are slightly thicker
but that hasn't changed in as far as I
can tell in my very non-scientific but I
would say still accurate assumption that
just being a female who is competing for
the attention of men and to compete
against women who are often their
harshest critics with their body again
you're the thing you're actually raging
against is a societal layer that is born
of an evolutionary drive to find the
most fertile and probably high status
women or women that confer the most
status to you because they are
considered the most beautiful
um and so when people attack a a very
worth attacking notion at the level of
society they run into problems because
really you have to address that that
you're getting this biological impulse
and at the risk of going too far afield
but I think this is really fascinating
um they did a study where they looked at
what age group do people find attractive
based on their own age and for women
there's a four-year span that is glued
to their own age so two years older than
them two years younger than them is
their sweet spot of what they find
attractive in men men it's a 22 year old
female no matter how old they are so
they could be 14 they find a 22 year old
attractive they could be 85 and they
find a 22 year old attractive and and it
was one of those that it it is brutal
and as somebody who's married to a woman
that's only Aging in One Direction
it's like I fully empathize with her
deeply but at the same time it was laugh
out loud funny to me that that's what
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