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why should the world care about a 4-Hour
mathematical conversation between Joe
Rogan Terence Howard and Eric Weinstein
because we live in the age of conspiracy
covid ripped the mask off the fact that
we are all being lied to and the fact
that lying is a very effective weapon
and that people really can be controlled
and I'm not conspiratorial minded so
this is me really looking at this with
an entrepreneur's eye to things that
perpetuate through culture do so because
they have utility which is one of my
obsessions to get people to understand
that things that stick around whether
it's Fame whether it's money people are
always going to pursue them because they
have utility lies have utility trying to
control the masses has utility and the
reason that I am going to perk up
anytime Eric Weinstein is involved is
because I really think he understands
without becoming bombastic or uh being
so open-minded that your brain falls out
which is a great way to talk about it he
he doesn't fall pray to that but he is
very aware of the way that ideas are
suppressed now I don't think they're
suppressed because people have evil
agendas I think they're suppressed
because the incentives align and so
watching Eric and Terrence Collide it
was um and Eric talked about this in the
episode it is this Collision Of The
Establishment versus the
non-establishment and what Eric was
saying is the reason that you've been
shut down by somebody like Neil degrass
Tyson who pointed you to peer review is
because that is uh an equation where it
is simply The Establishment not going oh
maybe this is a heterodox thinker who's
not right on everything obviously but
who may even just have an idea that
doesn't work but Sparks somebody else to
have an idea that does work and that's
my question do you think Terence Howard
did he bring something to the table I I
cannot speak to that with any degree of
authority I will only give you my
takeaway knowing Eric as well as I do
almost certainly not now Eric seemed f
ated about um one of the things that he
had the Lynch pin that may have
implications for drone movement but I
come at this from a writer's perspective
having been in so many writers rooms
where writers just understand you throw
out the bad ideas now you can litigate
whether Terrence understands that his
ideas are bad I don't think that he does
and so that was a really important part
of this moment to get back to the
initial question of I think it is
critically important that Eric and other
people like Eric who really do
understand this stuff well enough to go
Point by Point show what's to use his
words from the interview what's baby and
what's bathwater and there was a ton of
push back against this when Terrence was
first on Rogan that I thought was wildly
unwarranted and is everything that's
wrong with culture right now which is
he's a lunatic don't listen to him he's
like a madman he's narcissistic he
thinks he's right but he's really just
crazy and my thing was it doesn't matter
and the reason it doesn't matter is
because it hit like that moment hit a
level of cultural awareness that I think
thinkers like Eric Weinstein should be
using as the bar to what warrants a
careful deconstruction now of course all
of these guys a they're incredibly smart
so I'm sure that talking to mortals can
be very frustrating at times uh they
could also be thinking about other
things that are far more important to
them and I'm sure sometimes they get
very irritated at having to address this
stuff so there does need to be barometer
by which we judge who do we engage with
and who do we reject and for my money in
the age of conspiracy where the public
which should be the people that you're
trying to win over the public are
telling you I don't believe anything you
say you guys are a bunch of liar and and
Truth has become this hyper fragmented
individualized deeply personal thing
which again my norstar on that is
utility because what is objectively true
can be very hard to determine so I would
just say what has utility okay so to use
the barometer of this reaches a level of
cultural awareness where whether you
want them to or not there are going to
be a ton of people that become devotees
of Terrence Howard and trometry or what
I forget tery ology forget the exact
word that he used uh they're going to
become adherence with that because he
has this lyrical way of explaining
things and so I literally I listened to
that interview I got on the phone with
Eric right away and I was like Eric you
have got to go in and even if it's a
pure debunking you've got to go line by
line on this one and made the whole
pitch about um why now I have a feeling
everybody in Eric's life gave the same
pitch so I was but one voice uh and
shout out to Rogan for being the one
that can pull all of this together so
amazingly just am constantly not I I
think there's something to jump in there
because something that I took away from
the interview was how Eric was telling
him you have to do it this way and you
as a non-establishment person you're
kind of building your own the building
your own Studio you're not waiting for
that blessing and it's weird that in the
scientific Community you have to kind of
wait to be grandfathered in somebody has
to Apprentice you somebody has to bless
you it's almost like if Tes if Elon had
to wait for Ford to give him the thumbs
up before he made Tesla all right this
is this is where we really have to start
teasing ideas apart so first of all Eric
was right at the beginning of the
episode and Rogan wouldn't let him do it
Terren wouldn't let him do it which was
I have to steal man terrance's argument
to make sure that I understand it
literally if you take nothing away from
that episode except one thing take that
that that would have been the right way
to do this because this is has utility
in real life if you take nothing but one
thing away from this episode make sure
that you take that away you first want
to make sure that you understand
somebody's view in a way that they will
recognize okay that's my definition of a
Steelman I'm going to say Terren your
beliefs back to you I want to make sure
that you say yes those are my beliefs
now the reason I want to do that is if
I'm going to debunk it you have to do it
in a systematic way
and I'm telling you when two smart
well-intentioned people disagree it is
either a collision of values how the
world ought to be or it is a collision
of Base assumptions their assumption
about how the world actually is now if
you keep arguing at the level of like is
this super symmetry is this not super
symmetry you are never going to make
progress you have to go hey Terrence
here's how I think your worldview is
built up these are the exact
foundational assumptions that I see you
making and if those assumptions were
correct then your stance would be
correct but let me tell you which base
assumptions you've gotten wrong and
therefore since your your literal
foundations are wrong the rest cannot be
accurate so one of the foundations that
Terrence Howard puts forth is that
everything is in motion now Eric does
eventually in the interview he says
Point Blank that isn't true because you
have to understand that the vast
majority of physics hinges Upon A weit
on a spring so it's potential energy
and so that now unravels the whole
Theory but they because they didn't
structure the interview and I get it
it's not as entertaining but when my
Northstar is utility it's like you have
to go with those base assumptions figure
out what they are get Terence to say yes
those are the base assumptions upon
which I'm building and then Eric just
goes one by one this one's true this
one's not it's not for this reason if
Terrence has a rebuttal that he thinks
Eric doesn't understand whatever then
they can debate over it and when you get
to some something like uh an Einstein
coming in and saying hey all of physics
is built on these whatever 72
fundamental based assumptions that I
know nothing about so I have no idea
what it actually was but they they the
physicist would all have agreed and what
he said was this base assumption is
incorrect because of what we end up
understanding is general relativity and
special relativity so it's like okay
cool we can point to the exact thing
that you're challenging you show me a
thing that then can be debated at the
level of philosophy if we can't come to
an agreement at the level of Philosophy
by running thought experiments then we
know that we have to wait for
experimentation which happened small
handful of you I think less than a
decade later was in uh 1919 I believe
that they were able to measure the way
that gravity warped SpaceTime during a
solar eclipse and so once you see like
oh snap like okay we actually have data
that shows that your hypothesis which
challenged a fundamental um building
block upon which all of the theories of
physics are built and we've tested
experimentally we see that it's probably
true now this is where I'll Channel
Brett Weinstein and say Brett uh
believes that all problems in society go
away tongue and cheek obviously uh if
you understand the difference between a
hypothesis and a thesis a hypothesis you
can take as just a best guess hopefully
it's a well-informed best guess but it
may be one of 30 best guesses that you
alone have let alone all the best
guesses that are out there in the world
and only when you start running
experiments do other things other
hypotheses Begin to Fall away and when
you have a hypothesis it's when all
other sorry when you have a thesis it's
when all other hypotheses have been
proven Incorrect and you were left with
one hypothesis and that now becomes a
thesis that's the one thing that has not
yet been invalidated and so if you
understand this is why it drove me crazy
during covid when people were like
follow the science and I'm like [ __ ]
the science is literally questioning
what's true and you're just looking for
predictive validity if I believe this
then I can predict the outcome and I can
test the outcome and yes I get that
outcome they talk about repeatability a
lot it's repeatable because you actually
understand the foundational building
blocks I I want to jump in right here
because I think you said something
really good can you kind of break down
how somebody would test those hypotheses
so is it from I know teren Howard you'll
have to get a bunch of uh Springs and
balls and do it in a VAR s ific way but
like practically speaking I'm an
entrepreneur I'm something like that
would it just be kind of going into life
and trying things out and seeing what
works cuz how do you get through how do
you establish a solid fundamental way of
thinking by going through those
hypotheses to get to Ultimate thesis
okay so this a lot of this comes down to
what are you trying to achieve and where
do you want to fit in on the Spectrum so
one of the things that I found really
fascinating about Terrence Howard is I'm
watching him with Eric Weinstein now
look it's possible that there is
somebody else out there that is a better
combination of loving articulate and
just astonishingly brilliant more than
Eric I haven't encountered them and I
seek these people out there's a lot of
bright people but Eric just has
something special about him and watching
him collide with Terren was utterly
fascinating because what I liked about
what Eric was saying is look the quality
of your thinking is on a spectrum from
absolute
trash to like hey this could be a
brilliant insight and I'm not going to
throw out everything simply because I
can detect that there is some flaw in
your thinking which I think he's right
that people that fall into the
establishment Camp of science um using
peer review they just the second they
detect one thing is off they want to
throw you away again I'll come at this
as a writer and I'll say in a writer's
room if you did that you're the biggest
dick in the world and you're going to
kill the screenplay because bro if we
have to like if every idea has to be
perfect and you can't just let me put
one on the table as like hey this is
probably a terrible idea but it might
spark a good idea but you first have to
engage with that terrible idea as if it
wasn't a terrible idea to see if it
leads somewhere again what's the
Baseline for that so you don't waste all
of your time cultural awareness when
enough normal people are like yo that
speaks to me then that's going to be the
one that you go in and you say okay hey
I'm going to engage with this so I start
thinking okay wait a second Terrence is
smart like even if all you're going to
say is that he's able to memorize all
these facts and then find um free word
association uh connections right Eric
talked about this that you find things
that remind you of other things I think
is the exact way he referred to it yeah
but he it reminded me of John Nash as
represented in the movie A Beautiful
Mind where you're following him
everything seems to make sense and then
you realize oh actually he's a paranoid
schizophrenic and he sees patterns in
everything and so the warning that was
putting forward is hey if you stare long
at this stare long enough at this stuff
you're going to see Jesus right and so
there are all these beautiful amazing
things and if your brain is wired in
such a way that you will find patterns
in anything which is probably partly
what makes him a great actor which is
probably partly what makes him a great
musician it's like hey that has value in
a society because I come back to
evolutionist searching for utility so
why why aren't we all Eric Weinstein
yeah nature why aren't we I would very
much like to be on that Spectrum uh why
do some of us have far more metaphorical
minds and I think even if they're like a
terrible artifact and if we could just
get rid of them we would we have them
and so now it becomes a question of is
there a way to extract value and I would
say especially from somebody as smart
though from I'm team Eric on this one so
I will just assume the vast majority of
this is bathwater and it is completely
nonsensical uh uh but again I can't
prove that I can just tell you what side
I have chosen to go on but even if we're
just like hey this is all
nonsensical is it putting forth ideas
that other people can Riff on now why
does that matter because myor star is
utility and I'm looking at physics going
the last breakthrough we had was from a
guy who we only have black and white
photos of so it has been a very long
time since we've had a breakthrough we
should be traveling the COS
and we're not traveling the cosmos so
you have to understand since traveling
the cosmos does not violate the laws of
physics we don't understand something
about physics and so approaching this
with a level of humility is critical now
you were sort of giving me a softball
earlier saying you know how do you
dissect this and I'm saying if I'm
looking at this as a business guy it's
like I always want to understand what I
have to do is I have to look at all the
dots of my business uh what does the
audience want for me what's working on
podcasting hey this thing called YouTube
is popping up how do you make that work
uh what works well there we have a
university how do I make that work and I
have all these sents of how I'm going to
tie it all together right and then I go
in and I connect the dots now you have
to then go intoxicate your team with
certainty so you have to tell them here
are the dots and they connect like this
but hold on to go to a step back it's
easy kind of for you in a straight line
because you're owning the business
you're the man in the big chair for
somebody like Terence Howard he doesn't
own science he's doing the same thing so
what I'm trying to get you to understand
is that uh nature creates Minds in a
certain way blindly it's the blind
watchmaker there there's no ghost in the
machine but the blind watchmaker is
realizing oh if I only make one type of
brain then we have a problem I I have a
whole diet tribe about why there's left
brains right brains meaning politically
left politically right there's a reason
you want Dynamic tension okay there's a
reason there are Eric Weinstein's in my
opinion and there are reasons that there
are Terrence Howard's a very
metaphorical
it's a split yes and there's a reason
that we're spread across the Spectrum
now going back to what I was saying it's
like this is how you get remember the
the thing that makes humans great and
this goes back to I'm going to show you
my base assumptions the thing that makes
humans great is that we are able to
cooperate in extremely large groups but
flexibly so ants can cooperate in
extremely large groups but not flexibly
they do one thing one way that's it
you're going to get an Hills period and
the story humans can cooperate flexibly
uh in gigantic groups religion is one of
the more profound ways that we do this
but one of the mechanisms by which a
religion for instance would be born is
by noticing dots oh sometimes there's
storms and people get zapped by
lightning and things burn and we all die
uh I bet there's this all powerful being
that's throwing lightning down at us and
if I sacrifice a goat because I did that
one time and then the lightning stopped
and I bet if I sacrifice the goat it
will make the lightning go away whatever
right and so they start seeing the dots
which which are real they connect the
dots but they connect the dots with
narrative The Narrative is made up now
what I see when I look at Terrence is
somebody who has a lot of Dots and a
narrative about how they connect and
when you hear them talk about it it's
compelling you called him a shaman which
I thought was brilliant Terrence is
shamanistic to me it's like you want him
to be right because it feels so good but
as an entrepreneur I will just tell you
right now the thing you have to worry
about is feeling make dots feel like
they connect when they don't actually
connect so going back to I as the
entrepreneur I have to look at all the
dots I have to come up with a narrative
that connects to dots I need that to get
a large group of people to cooperate
flexibly so I'm going to come to them
with a narrative and I'm going to say it
like it is the gospel [ __ ] truth as
if there is nothing else Beyond this now
the thing for me is I have to be the one
person that doesn't actually believe it
I have to hope it's true but I have to
know the only thing I can guarantee is
my thinking is wrong in some way and
this is what I love about Eric Eric
understands you have dots you connect
them with narrative The Narrative is the
story and Eric is saying step outside
the [ __ ] narrative look back at it
and say I have to find the problems to
do that you have to seek disconfirming
evidence and this is his whole idea of
the dis distributed uh information
suppression complex that over time
Industries have calcified because the
money is being being pulled out of
academics I don't know the story well
like he does about how that happened but
just grant me that money gets pulled out
of uh the educational system and so you
have professors now that really have to
fight and scrap for their um tenure and
so now you can use peer review as a way
to keep other people out especially
younger people with different ideas
exactly and so there's a quote H if I
could find it fast but basically I'll
paraphrase that the um the establishment
will glom onto a set of ideas this dots
connecting narrative and they'll stay
stuck for 40 years because they don't
now that that is a paraphrase of Eric
that now what I'm going to say is me um
they don't seek disconfirming evidence
and so they actually want to keep people
out of it and that as an entrepreneur I
will tell you is the problem so what I
do is I will paint this picture I will
intoxicate people with certainty so that
I get my large group of people
cooperating flexibly cuz they have a a
simple narrative that they can hold in
their head that they can repeat to each
other about why we're here and what
we're trying to do CU I have to give
them that very simple easy to articulate
meme that can replicate through the
organization when I turn my back that
everybody's spreading the same meme over
and over and over okay once the meme is
offs spreading I then go in my room and
I'm like I know that Meme is a lie I
just don't know which part because I am
giving you my best take right now with
my current thinking some part of it is
flaw how do I know that because I know
I'm not where I want to be so if I know
I want to be traveling the cosmos and
I'm not then I know something is flawed
in my physics so while I may believe
String Theory connects all the dots in
the right way clearly not because we're
stuck and so you have to seek that
disconfirming evidence and you might say
hey this is as close as we can get and
by the way I I want you to give me
disconfirming evidence but I'm not going
to be like oh gee thanks and like I'm
going to attack your ideas and I'm going
to say no no no come on give me a better
idea that one doesn't make any sense for
these reasons but I'm actually going to
engage I'm going to fight with those
ideas and in a company and I I
understand most companies are run by
somebody who just wants to tell you what
to do and they expect you to do it D I'm
not smart enough for that so I surround
myself with people that are smart and I
say as I hope you will attest I want you
to challenge my ideas now I'm going to
push back I'm going to debate
ferociously until you can convince me
that your idea is right but if your idea
really has Merit meaning it has
utility then I'm going to adopt it
because what I care about is the utility
Now That's What I Hear Eric putting
forth in this interview which is why I
think this is so critical and I'm like
dude th this moment was important for
culture now it's going to be up to us
whether we do anything with it and I am
going to be watching Terrence like a
hawk because here's what
happens from where I'm sitting Eric just
demolished his world view the the basic
Foundation that he built on there were
several but one of them is 1 * 1 equals
2 Kilt it and Eric went through and just
explained why mathematically that you
just don't understand these other things
and hey we can help you and you should
apprentice and Learn and Grow ah and
then maybe you'll actually be able to
make better contributions though it may
be that he just needs to be a lyrical
mind and throw out these ideas and then
other people can run anyway that that's
a a different point But Eric going into
this and and really trying to say hey I
think that this is exactly where you're
falling down then allows Terren to go
okay I see how my worldview is broken it
doesn't have the predictive validity
that I thought which to me is the
ultimate utility it doesn't have the
predictive validity that I thought I'm
going to have to rebuild my worldview
now the
catches my read of that interview is as
of right now today Terrence doesn't
understand what Eric is saying well
enough to reconstitute a world View and
so that world view is a gravitational
Center for him and he's going to keep
devolving back to the mean yes so he
he's just going to be like talk to him a
month right and do another interview and
he's going to be saying the same things
he was saying before because he doesn't
understand why his world view doesn't
work and maybe more trou you think it's
not like a understand not to cut you off
but as you're saying this I I
immediately thought about politics where
it's I know that there might be a full
all in my thinking if I'm left if I'm
right whatever but I can't say that I
can't give up that try I can't announce
that so I almost have to double down so
Terrence unfortunately I could kind of
see him doubling down and that's the
same thing we kind of see in other
Industries and other parts of society
you've got your finger on an incredibly
important thing that honestly is so much
more common than what we're about to
talk about so I fully acknowledge that
that's like 85% of the reasons that
somebody would shut down like a new
world viiew they will never allow it
into their world because they put so
much of their personal credibility
behind it and money and time and all the
I didn't get that vi from Terren the
only two interactions I have ever seen
with him now I've seen other people say
guys come on in other interviews he's a
full-blown narcissist and he just says
the stuff like it's fact and he's
pulling the stuff out of his ass so it's
possible I just don't know Terren well
enough and that there really is a
narcissist behind this but I thought he
handled himself very well in the
interview he was receptive he was open
he the only times he interrupted he
interrupted out of enthusiasm like hey I
really I just really want to show you
this thing like if if you look at Terren
through the lens of he he's wrong but he
really believes what he's saying now if
he really believes guys I have the great
unifying Theory and new things will
become possible if people will just
start approaching these ideas and
engaging with them sincerely do that's
beautiful right so he believes it he's
trying to put it out into the world so
he gets excited when Eric is brings
something up that he's like no no no but
you don't understand let me show you
this thing now Eric on to something with
the you've got to stop teaching and I
thought the brilliant analogy that Eric
used was as a fighter and so which
obviously got Joe like uh perked up
which is Joe's made fun of so many times
people that talk about you know like
death grip or you know one touch or
whatever and those people get their
asses handed to them in a real fight and
if you're a real fighter and you hear
somebody talking about things that you
know to be false you're like oh this guy
actually doesn't know what he's talking
about and that is almost certainly
what's going on in that case but again I
will give Terrence the benefit of the
doubt he seems to be coming at it very
sincerely and so even though he's
wrong potentially me again not being the
one to pull that
apart but if he can go learn this stuff
if he has the raw intellect to do it uh
and can update his worldview dude this
will have been a master class on getting
us out of the age of conspiracy which I
think a lot about how we get back out of
this where we can trust people again and
it certainly isn't going to be uh
recrowning a bunch of Elites it's going
to be people like Eric who all call an
intellectual Gladiator and he's not
afraid to go in and fight ideas but is
it podcast are we the new you know Greek
philosophers because you go back in time
think think of podcast is a mechanism so
you may have the new Greek philosophers
I mean Ryan holiday I'm looking at you
uh you may have the new Greek
philosophers literally doing podcast but
podcast is just a medium it's standing
up in the Forum in addressing people
what I absolutely hate do you want to
know if you want to get me triggered and
red flag like my wife's channel is all
about red flags on men like the the red
flag for me the somebody is like this
person's ideas shouldn't be heard
they're just beyond the pale and we
shouldn't listen to them red flag
whatever that is the despression idea
suppression complex I'm not here for
that so let PE I'm not a free speech
absolutist but man do I come close and I
think that the it is absolutely critical
to have free speech Just front and
center is because and Jordan Peterson
sums this up better than anybody else
you you have to be able to think bad
ideas so that you don't have to live
them out because some ideas are so bad
they're going to ruin your life and so
you want to be able to put them out in
an arena like a podcast have the I won't
even say humility because I am I am uh I
have a gigantic ego based on being the
learner and once you understand me
through the lens of somebody who does
have an ego but it's based on being the
learner you're going to be able to
predict my behaviors a lot more so I'll
come on and say the thing things that I
think are true I'll say them
aggressively but if somebody comes back
at me with an idea that has more utility
because I'm obsessed with utility and my
entire life all the success I've had is
an echo of me collecting things that
have utility and I often talk about
skill acquisition what I mean is you can
do things other people can't do and so
I'm so I so believe that all of us can
collect skills with so much utility that
we can outperform other people and that
the ability to outperform other people
will yield you
immense results that I'm hungry for
those ideas so when people give them to
me I'll update my worldview and then
We're Off to the Races I wanted to talk
about Neil deash Tyson a little bit and
how
he I don't know if it's gaslighting I
don't know if he kind of virtue
signaling but how he was how he
approached it sincerely and then how
Eric Weinstein kind of broke it up and
kind of showed him that that was really
an in insincere backhanded kind of like
gesture I I am I take it differently so
watched the video and to me that was
somebody who recognizes that this is um
it's just nice to be a polite person and
so he found a uh lie I have to shampoo
my cat to get out of the conversation
because he looked at like Terence Howard
famous actor meet him seems like a
lovely guy gives me this perspectus I
wanted to have him on my show this is uh
literally from uh Neil degrass Tyson his
Neil degrass Tyson's mom had said oh my
god did you know that Terence is like
into cosmology like you really got to
talk to this guy so he wanted to have
him on the show and because he had
courted him he was like I'm actually
going to read the perspectus he goes
through it and is like oh my God from
top to bottom this is just somebody who
does not know what they think they know
Dunning Krueger which remind me to go
into Dunning Krueger because I think
people have that wrong and are um
getting themselves into an unnecessary
Dead End by going to that but he sees
somebody as uh sweet guy but good Lord
does not know what he's talking about
and therefore I don't want to spend any
more time on this and I really don't
want to have him on my show because he's
going to sound like a lunatic and the
number of people that I've refused to
have on the show over the years because
I'm like a lot of the things you say
just aren't true there is a guy that
people want me to have on the show again
so this reveals something one out of the
Thousand um and I refuse and he was a he
was a big guest and I won't have back on
because I think the V not all in fact
50% of what he says is [ __ ] and 50%
is real
but it like a tumor they are so
intertwined the good and the bad that I
was I'm not going to do it so I get it
everybody has to have that thing where
they're like uh I'm just not going down
this path so yes I think Eric is right
that the using peer review is idiotic
that [ __ ] is dead as disco and that is a
red flag and when I hear people throw
that out I'm like you're trying to shut
people down uh you're trying to keep
people out but I actually don't think
that that's what Neil was doing there I
think he knew that it was an easy way to
be like hey sorry can't like there's a
process for this go enjoy it but he was
saying that only because he he is just
so
dismissive but I actually think he was
dismissive in a kind way so I don't have
a bad I I am not the biggest uh fan of
Neil degrass Tyson however I thought he
handled himself well
if you don't understand that the ending
is a brush off yeah he brushed them off
kindly yeah it's so in podcasting we say
a lot because a lot of guests Say No To
Us by the way everybody this is Drew the
producer uh behind the show so when
things go uh well you can clap for Drew
when they go poorly you can still stare
at me um but I we get the kind decline
right there are people that we want to
get on the show but they say in a very
nice way I can't do it I don't have time
whatever I'm traveling ah I have to
shampoo my cat uh and so that feels like
a reasonable thing to have in your
Arsenal the the not right now but said
in a nice way and he took the time it's
like a 17-minute video where he goes
Point by point and it's like this is
what I said and so anyway I didn't have
beef with that I get it it triggered
Eric for what I'll call Scar Tissue on
Eric um but I didn't have beef with it
and then let's jump into the Dunning
Krueger thing yeah so Dunning Krueger
all right it it's a real thing which is
to know just enough about something
break break to not know that you don't
know so there there's a quote that sums
up the Dunning Krueger effect really
well which is as the island of my
knowledge grows so grows the shore of my
ignorance so there's this moment where
your island is so small you know it so
well you think I know everything there
is to know and then one day you finally
get to the shore and you're like oh God
there is a vast expanse of things that I
don't know but you actually don't know
how big it is until your Island gets
bigger and bigger and you realize you're
just extending into this infinite ocean
and no matter how big your island of
things that you know gets it's just
unrelentingly dwarfed by the things you
don't know now since that will always be
true and everybody even Eric even the
hardest core smartest people ever again
because we're not traveling the cosmos
there is something that we don't know
until you accept ah uh the things the
outcome that I desire is not coming true
yet because there is something I don't
know therefore if you approach the world
like I do you're like I just need to
find out the things I don't know I'm
going to keep using the things I know
okay I'm not going to discard them if
somebody can't convince me that they're
holding me back but I'm hungering for
the thing that I don't have so something
I say in business all the time is the
skills you have have already taken you
as far as they're going to take you if
you want to go farther you must get new
skills and so I'm like hey everybody in
theoretical physics the ideas that you
have have already taken you as far as
they going to take you if you want to
get farther you need new ideas and so
I'm just saying don't dismiss somebody
because they fall into Dunning Krueger
at a wide enough aperture we all fall
into Dunning Krueger no matter how much
we know and so again you do have to have
a bar because you're not there really
are crackpots what Eric was calling the
axe murderer there really are like whack
jobs that are going to be an absolute
total waste of your time and they are
just as convinced that they're right and
so I say Let them fight in the the world
of public opinion have no idea for how
long Terrence was trying to get people's
attention but he went to Oxford he was
on red carpets talking about this stuff
and then finally God knows how many
years later ends up on Joe Rogan cool he
had to earn his shot and then he took a
shot in the world was like yeah I want
to know more about that and cool so now
he got his day in the new court of
public opinion because it got all the
way to somebody like Eric who can
actually tell you what's wrong with this
and he said it and so for anybody that
wants that breakdown it's there
so I think people ought to have to fight
their way up so if you've got nine
followers on Instagram then you go live
with somebody that has 12 followers
right and you're good for each other and
you keep climbing up that ladder until
you get enough people to listen to you
where real people go okay there's enough
public interest I still think it's wrong
crazy stupid whatever fine but there's
enough public interest in this thing
that now it warrants a debate all right
some rapid fire questions you ready keep
your answer as short as possible yes uh
best sound bite of the
interview I'm gonna have to go to my
quotes here all right best sound bite
for me came from Eric he said right now
we're in a crisis where no one knows
what is true nobody knows who's full of
[ __ ] nobody knows what they can trust
love that did this legitimize Terrence
Howard as the scientist
inventor uh definitely not what I think
this did was legitimize him as a musical
thinker that's not quite the right word
but that he's uh able to bring really
interesting patterns together the vast
majority of which should be thrown away
but every now and then he's going to hit
on something that could spark creativity
in an engineer or something like that so
it'll be interesting to see where he
goes have you ever been humbled by an
elite before yeah all the time literally
daily do we get the Mars in 10 years no
God oh
wow Define do we get to do we drop
humans off boots on
ground in 10 years yes wow you just
excited me I've never thought about that
before and then followup if there's like
a recolonization thing would you live on
Mars um if I live to like 250 or
something I cannot fathom in the next 40
years uh being done on Earth but if
there's something so extraordinary being
built up there that would be amazing but
I'm not going to go to like some hostile
in the middle of space uh you know to be
with nine people that's not interesting
no space hostile no thanks uh all right
that's all we got there we go all right
everybody we're going to be doing more
of these if there's something that you
want to see us approach make sure you
drop it into the comments and until next
time my friends be legendary take care
peace