Kind: captions Language: en AI to cure all diseases in the next 10 years one expert would have you believe it a breakthrough in biology reveals a novel protein that could make long space travel possible but elon's latest Starship launch ended in a fiery rain of debris Trump threatens Russia with sanctions over Ukraine but the EU comes together promising 800 billion to 1 trillion USD and Aid to Ukraine marking Europe as a potential Global superpower On The Rise big coin strategic Reserve is now real a Rogues gallery of guests worked the podcast circuit this week with SPF on Tucker Ian Carol on Rogan and Tate on pbd people freaked out but still tuned in and as Hollywood faces an AI apocalypse one writer tries to wake the industry up the world is still driving in the fast lane Drew tell me about it what do you see I'm just glad we're going to be able to travel in space now cuz this anti-radiation treatment is going to be big but big breakthrough in AI news and I like that we're taking the scientific approach to it CU we're so used to AI breakthrough new robot AI breakthrough new like llm but no it's like this is what AI is really going to be used for um so starting with it Google just released Google scientists it's still in like early beta it's not fully available to the public yet but we had a tweet from Dr unas said just like that uh the mind-blowing AI model that led me to the claim below was a demo of Google AI cos science it's still still a work in progress and I hope to test it in a few weeks but it's potential its potential is already crystal clear and I believe it to be a truly GameChanger for scientific progress and what he claimed two days ago was after what I've seen today related to an AI model that I can't talk about it yet I can confidently claim that the scientific process will never be the same again I am now 99% certain that all diseases including cancer will be cured within a decade exponential advance in AI is real this to me is extremely thrilling two your point this is a lot like mindset you develop a mindset so that you can point it at the most difficult problems in your life you develop AI so that you can point it at the most difficult problems that we are trying to solve uh in humanity so so much has been made of you know do they end up replacing all the humans do they become this threat that we have to worry about and the reality is the reason that it's worth pursuing despite that there is some level of risk that those things do happen is that it really is going to allow us to have the kind of innovations that we would otherwise never be able to see human biology is so wildly complicated like if you've ever seen the kreb cycle broken down and that's just what happens in one cell to generate energy it is insane it is insanely complicated and when you see the full thing mapped out you really begin to understand why biology has styed us for so long and why it's so hard just to understand like basic facts about what you eat and what the impact is of what you eat AI however can look at a set of data and see things that we don't see its ability to pattern recognition over millions billions trillions of parameters is absolutely insane like there's one thing we never talked about this because just not enough information is out yet but a really fascinating thing is AI can look at a human eye completely isolated like just the iris of the eye they can tell you if they're male or female but we don't know how so we don't know what it's picking up on but forever has been this thing hiding in plain sight that reveals the gender of something and we just didn't know but AI was like oh by the way I can tell you that that's male or female these are the kinds of things and far deeper far more profoundly important uh the kinds of things that AI will be able to pattern recognize this way to solution so first of all there's a concept in biology that people should familiarize themselves with which is n of one so uh when you talk about something being an n of one you're saying that there's only one of the things like this so when you're talking about diet everything is going to be n of one so it's actually more important for you to test on your own body how you respond to uh like if I eat a bowl of blackberries I get a very noticeable spike in my glucose but there's another person here uh when they eat a bowl of blackberries it almost doesn't register and I'm like how is that possible so n of one it has to do with your genetic ability to deal with or not deal with as Maybe the case um with the glucose in that and so it's not working its way into the bloodstream it could be in their case being rapidly stored as fat um or their insulin just may be really efficient at getting it out of the bloodstream so even before it can accumulate it's just being um pushed into the cells so and not to mention microbiome and how much of the glucose is actually able to pull out of the um Blackberry in this example so who knows what's actually going on but that's n of one this is why you can't just go well soand so Fitness influencer tells me to do this and therefore it's going to work like I have a massive inflammatory response to Sugar so people that are like well If It Fits your Macros bro I can stay lean as hell but if I eat even like a bunch of strawberries I can feel it in my hands strawberries man I'm talking like three or four strawberries I will notice the next day in how my hand feels so n of one n of one n of one and do not listen to people that tell you that that isn't true that is for sure true and AI is going to be able to do things in cancer like saying hey with your genetic makeup with the very specific makeup of your cancer and the way that your body is responding to certain treatments this is exactly what you should do yeah and I remember Steve Jobs when he passed away he said I'm either going to be one of the last people to die of cancer or one of the first people to survive from these he didn't call it n of one but from these n of one tailored um treatments that are very specific to me my type of cancer the way that my body's respond responding and unfortunately that was many years ago and we have not seen the rate of progress that we would want to see but what our man is replying to is that now with AI that was the missing piece to be able to read just so much more information about all the very complex ways that things respond broken down to the end of one individual yeah and I think the rise of quantum Computing is going to help that as well cuz it's the maze illustration is what really kind of locked it in for me where class Computing human thought has been let me go through this maze oop I hit a wall let me go back go through over here hit a wall whereas with Concept Computing there's six different legs going out and trying every possibility all at once or 10 million yeah it's crazy or the a trilli a quadrillion cubits like the number is just endless scaling so I think going through the iteration process the scientific method is going to be done instantaneously versus now it takes six weeks to get to a trial and come back and try it again so yeah call back to our most recent episode um Drew isn't just throwing numbers around uh there was a recent breakthrough out of China that showed that when this thing is carried out into a computer and it's very important to point out with Quantum Computing we are not there yet but they're having these breakthroughs and their breakthrough showed that when stabilized and actually able to put into a computer it would be a quadrillion times faster czy than the current supercomputers um also following on what you're saying the method by which computers do the run the maze is a great way to think about it it's very different you wouldn't use quantum Computing for the same things that you would use a traditional computer for it's very important to understand but whenever there's like branching possibilities and biology being a great example of something where it's like okay there are so many complex paths that these things are going to go down to be able to run a lot of different scenarios okay what if this what if that what if this uh you start getting into things like protein folding where now you can guess at all the different ways that a protein can fold and then all the different cuz people talk about these as being lock and key all the different lock formations and all the different key formations that it could go into and you can run all of that simultaneously and that's the big promise of where we go with Quantum Computing again most people are saying this is probably still 10 years out um but you need the breakthroughs that we're starting to see are actually happening yeah and then there's actually some biological breakthroughs happening in the real world so couple those up and we're we're on the onto the running off to the running um a protein from terrades can now protect human cells from radiation so terrades is like a slug type formation the creature we just threw it up on the screen so how much do you know about these things 0% okay so the thing that got people excited about these from a radiation perspective is you can they can survive being on the hole of a ship go out into space do whatever it's going to the vacuum of space and come back and they're still fine and so people were like what so that I think I don't have the proof of that but given that that was already on my radar I have a feeling they specifically sought this out because of the fact that it's proven that it can exist with no protection from radiation whatsoever uh and still live not to mention the obscenely low temperatures yeah pretty fascinating they survive by expressing a unique protein damage suppressor duub that binds to the DNA and it physically Shields it from radiation induced brakes so now they want to pair that d sub to human cells using mRNA encapsulated in Nan particles people with mRNA that is the bad news a yeah it's a buzz word but biologically it sound so with that being said it would then kind of Shield us from cancer treatment radiation it can like you said space travel is also on the timeline so there's a lot of other things once we can have ourselves not be impacted by radiation that we can do different power sources different things that humans can then be placed in and I can will you alter your DNA like when that comes online would you be like yeah me up yeah if I need if I have a need for it yeah I don't know if I'm about to get on that spaceship and head to Mars yes otherwise probably not my mom is a nurse and she's she's the most anti- medicine person I ever know but but she works in the health field she always says like there's no easy surgery there's no simple surgery there's no non invade like every time you're getting cut open you're exposing yourself so save it for when you really really need it so ever since then that was me I was like if I'm about to die and this is going to save me I'm not going to be like no pray for me but at the same time I'm not going to just volunteer like oh there's mechanical arms let me go arm wrestle real good now like it's just not yeah it's interesting so I was um I went to Michael M shout out to Michael for having me on a show recently don't know when it airs but um it was a lot of fun and he took me out to dinner with him and some of his friends and a bunch of them have gone to a service to have their DNA altered which I'm almost certain Michael has talked openly about if he hasn't I'll be sure to edit this out uh but I was like okay I don't know if I will do it but I won't be an early adopter so I'm going to need to see a lot of people go through these systems to see if there are any unintended consequences uh because woo buddy altering my DNA certainly makes me very slow to uh activate that one because there is no free lunch man there's no free lunch so we'll have to see how this stuff plays out but it is very exciting I this is a technology that I really want want to see mature between crisper being able to actually go in and edit the um words essentially in your DNA so that you can make specific changes and again AI being able to handle the complexity of what are all the KnockOn effects that that thing could um have by making that edit uh and then things like mRNA technology being able to go and inject itself into a cell uh it is thrilling I mean this is really exciting but there's going to need to be some safety testing I think we learned our lesson uh from covid you don't want to do these things without the safety testing but this this kind of thing gets me absolutely thrilled and so I would be very sad to see people throw that baby out with the bath water think of it as a technology we didn't necessarily use it in the right way during covid maybe just a little too fast not looking at the safety implications but as a technology the ability to actually go in and edit our CS is is going to be incredible now there's a lot of ethical implications uh but it's something that has me Peak excitement yeah we shall see um SpaceX did a launch yesterday and unfortunately didn't go as Elon must planned this was a video of debris circling over the Bahamas um and Kyle kolinsky had a spicy take the complete fraud Elon mus had another massive failure and he demands control of air traffic control for the entire country this idiot should be in prisoned he should return the 38 billion he sto from us taxpayers I'm just going to put Aster this tweet is giving Trump Vibes and I just wanted to say that that's hilarious to me that's interesting so remember uh you go far enough in either direction and you just wrap back around on each other to the same people yeah so um here's why I hate everything about that tweet so the reality is that you have a guy that has successfully surpassed the US government in its ability to send things into space 95% of all the tonnage of things launched into space and I don't mean by America I mean globally 95% of the T tonnage is done by one company Space X so they have actually figured out how to safely do things in space we right now have astronauts stuck at the International Space Station because no Boeing made a um space shuttle that everyone just agreed it's not safe enough we we cannot send that back up there to get them and so Elon is going to be the one that goes and gets them and so in the face of all that success like even when you hate somebody and we're going to um I won't parallel that even if you hate somebody we'll leave it at that uh that doesn't mean that they aren't good at something it doesn't mean that they don't have great ideas it doesn't mean that we can't all benefit from that so I'd like to uh quote Bruce Lee you take what works you discard the rest so if you hate elon's politics fine but trying to make out like the Starship exploding is somehow bad or catastrophic the reality is this is a physics of progress at work so you build Starship to the best of your abilities because it's an advancement over the things that he can do reliably uh and you try and you see where you fail so that you can get smarter so that you can build it a little bit better so when they launch this Starship they knew that there was some relatively high percentage chance that it would experience a rapid uh unplanned disassembly I think is how they refer to it and so this is a part of that and so when I see somebody rail against this these are the people that make kids terrified to fail failure is the most information Rich data stream on planet Earth the way that you get better at something is by doing it by engaging with it and realize oh that way didn't work but it didn't work for this exact reason I need to make an edit and then try again and so when we clown on somebody because we don't like their politics or whatever and say oh this is just a he doesn't know what he's doing it's like what are you talking about nobody in human history as far as I know even if you aggregate everything that came before like the amount that he's sending up now just it certainly is at a pace that dwarfs everything else he may have even this is admittedly a guess but he may have even already outstripped everything that we've put up previously I mean his satellites are visible from Earth man like you can watch them go by people report them as alien craft all the time that's how many of these things these massive um clusters starlink has put up using SpaceX it it is UN which by the way are both his companies uh so it's just absolutely insane and is a nonfunctional way of viewing the world it gets clicks and so if you want to like clap for Kyle as somebody who's very good at generating outrage and getting people to comment on his stuff hey hey well played my man uh but if you're trying to figure out how to Think Through the world in a way that has high predictive validity he's not your man definitely not your man uh you know what else that's not my dog um economic my dog this is crazy technology I like we' seen this already Black Mirror already released this we already know how this ends I just like we keep setting oursel up with these robots and I keep telling y'all like we going to find out but yes robot dogs with missiles is now a thing we were already worried about the robot dogs with machine guns now these he got a four missile pack like surface to air man that looks like a a one of like war machines like wrist Gauntlet type like it's crazy dude this is the future of warfare extremely Nimble AI enabled weapons armed hot and ready this for many people this is the Nightmare and I think it sounds like you may include yourself in that y for me this is exactly what you need to do you are in a dangerous world where people are going to be doing this on the other side and if you are not able to defend yourself from this you're in trouble the days of gigantic stationary Weaponry is over you this is such a huge advancement and I was listening to um karp I forget his first name but he said that it is very easy to make a moral argument for there are times where you have to kill the other side and that is just true man and you certainly add an absolute minimum have to have the ability to defend yourself against somebody that's trying to kill you and so so this kind of thing for me even though I share with you the tragedy of The Human Condition which is that we fight and kill each other but knowing that I live in that world I am going to protect myself and so seeing the advancements that we're making uh is really incredible because America after World War II got to tell itself a really incredible story about our manufacturing might and how there's the famous line from the Japanese um General Admiral I forget exactly what his rank was but uh he said I fear that we have awoken a sleeping giant in by bombing Pearl Harbor and he was right and we just out manufactured everybody and we're not that America anymore and so when I see somebody like Palmer lucky and I think this is actually Chinese by the way what we're looking at here so this is technically what you have to defend against but uh when I see somebody like Palmer luuy who gets it like this is where we are I want everybody to wake up up to the truth of the world they live in the truth of where excuse me where our weapons are going and make sure that we are prepared to handle it I'm increasingly hoping for the Alien Invasion just because I feel like a like we need to partner with our humans and figure out shared camaraderie again and love each other again it's never going to happen we mean again Define again uh after we all killed the Nazis and everybody agreed that there was one good guy and one bad guy and everybody shook hands that's not true the bad guy thought he was a good guy this is why the Berlin Wall stayed up for as long as it did I mean it's you want a flashback and PS this is all happening ma China Rises up not long after World War II and starves his people to death dude 40 to 45 million people die just in the famine man-made by the way uh so yeah we people often think because the West had retracted peace and only a cold war which was bad enough but certainly better than a hot War but Stalin was killing people as fast as he could ma was killing people faster than anyone would ever think possible uh so America had a great Europe got rebuilt had it great uh Japan got rebuilt had it great but yo there was more death in the 20th century post World War II uh than like I think in a pure number not as a percentage but as a pure numbers perspective I think than any other time in history that's why when people look at the 20th century and they're like oh my God this was amazing it's like bro this is why people like me are freaking out when they hear people embracing socialism communism read about ma it is crazy town it's crazy it does not go anywhere good so the idea of do I wish that humans ran a different algorithm in their brain and that they felt a deep and profound sense of UN yes that would be amazing but we don't run that algorithm I mean that that is an algorithm but always running next to the US algorithm is other algorithm and so yeah the whole the reason that an alien invasion works is you focus all my desire to kill in Conquest on an alien but we're still doing the same thing to them we'll be back to the show in just a moment but first let's talk about what makes a truly Unforgettable meal most people think amazing meat is something you only get on specialist occasions but with butcher box you can turn Tuesday night dinners into experiences worth looking forward to take it from someone who's been a butcherbox customer for years The Taste is undeniable this isn't just meat this is 100% grass-fed beef free range organic chicken and wild CAU Seafood that makes every meal worth looking forward to my freezer is literally jam 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the end with three exclamation points yeah your keyboard is running out of gas right now bro like you just you eventually somebody's gonna call us Bluff he GNA have to kill somebody and I hate that it I'm saying it like that but you Tweeting tough to Hamas you Tweeting tough to Russia like it's not getting those results I feel like yeah yeah I mean we were talking about this in the last one this one doesn't ring that way to me this one feels like the kind of this not the kind of rhetoric that I want to see but for Trump this okay at least now we're talking about economic Warfare versus the actual escalation of hot Warfare so this one does feel to me like we're negotiating out in public so Trump is saying the things in public that he needs to say to make sure that Putin knows that hey if you're not if you're going to become the problem I just had to do all this with zalinsky to try to get him to to be prepared to uh make concessions if you're not willing to make concessions then I'm going to unleash the double barrel of the economic sanctions now the problem is you have slow stepped sanctions you being the US government not only um Trump but we as the US government has slow stepped the sanctions on Russia to the point where they've been able to harden themselves against it to find ways around it so there's no doubt that um we put some hard ship on them and there are experts that believe that their economy only has call it a year or two years left before they're really going to be in Dire Straits that they cannot afford to keep this war going I don't know that that's true but that's certainly um being talked about in Syria circles we'll see um so it's possible that another round if he's really going to be aggressive um could but here's what I think would have to be true for these sanctions to be useful he would have to sanction the purchase of oil and natural gas from Russia period full stop because the reasons that these sanctions have been so weakened and by the way um we did an interview with Edward Fishman who uh was the former lead at the state department actually engaged specifically with Russia um he was sanctioned by Russia himself he literally was sanctioned by Russia you are correct um and had him on the show talking about are the tariffs going to work are sanctions going to work and he was saying like if you do it you have to go all the way and if you don't then you can put them in a position much like he uh likened it to antibiotics if you use an antibiotic but stop before you kill it all the way dead then the ones that are alive are the ones that are resistant to the antibiotic and so what we have right now is a Russia that became immune to the antibiotics of the sanctions because the thing that drives their economy is oil and natural gas and because Europe was like oh God we can't stop buying this stuff from them because it would spike our energy cost too much um you would have to find a way either and if I had to guess this is what Trump is thinking between the US and Canada you're going to be able to if you end the green policies you're going to be able to create enough um oil and natural gas between just what we can do and then Supply that to Europe be great for America be good for Europe to be able to wean themselves off of Russia um and if you can get them to start doing less green policies what I'll call more sensible policies cuz I get the impulse to want to go green but it's just not there yet from an economic standpoint stop weakening Yourself by having to subsidize People's Energy bills uh just start leaning into nuclear start leaning into if they have I don't know enough about Europe's uh ability to get oil and natural gas natively uh but certainly us being able to export them leaning into um reverting to their policies before that certainly leaning into nuclear okay so if that if you do that and then then you sanction the life out of Europe and tell any country that wants to buy oil and natural gas from Russia that we're now going to sanction you so if you're Germany and you're buying oil and natural gas from Russia when you could be buying it from us or Canada that we're going to sanction the life out of you if you did that I'm not saying we should but I'm saying if we did then that could conceivably damage Russia's economy so horrifically that they would be forced to come to the table now to your point about Trump has to your words shoot somebody kill somebody whatever the exact phrase was doesn't necessarily and this was one of the things that um Edward Fishman goes into is if you do economic sanctions or economic Warfare well enough you can tople a government without firing a single shot so it is possible that this one would actually work so while it's you know more big talk from Trump um if what I laid out is actually what he has in mind it could work so we'll see we'll see EU on the M on the other hand is uh beefing up their defense spending committing to 800 billion to1 trillion US Dollars those are US dollar sums in defense spending to make a new Global superpower I want to say a European joint um and this is why this the to activate the national Escape Clause of the stability and growth pact this will allow member states to significantly increase their defense expenditures without triggering the exessive deficit procedure so if member states would increase the defense spending by 1.5% of GDP on average this could create fiscal space of close to 650 billion euros over a period of four years the second proposal will be a new instrument it will PR provide 150 billion euros of loans to member states for defense investment this is about basically spending better and spending together and we're talking about paneuropean capabilities domains like for example air and missile defense the artillery systems missiles and ammunition drones and anti-drone systems but also to address other needs from cyber to military Mobility for example this will help member states to pull demand and to buy together and of course with this equipment member states can massively step up their support to Ukraine so immediate military equipment for Ukraine okay this this makes a lot of sense to me it is uh it is a fast fasinating consequence of the way that Trump has been behaving on the world stage that what you're seeing is Europe come together in a way that quite frankly they ought to be now I would love to see Europe coming together in in a way in a way that aligns with America I don't love that this is being born out of them feeling like Trump is fickle but at least they are coming together um they obviously there is a very compelling argument to be made Jeffrey Sachs would hate it but there's a very compelling argument to be made Europe needs to worry very much about a territorially um aggressive Russia that they will be pushing into uh traditionally Soviet era areas and trying to reunify them everybody's got their eyes on Poland uh I think that the right way to look at that is um look if they've struggled this hard with getting into Ukraine uh the odds of them being able to steamroll Poland are very low but at some point you have to draw the line in the sand and it seems like that's what Europe is leaning towards that the Line in the Sand is Ukraine and if America's backing out then forget it we're going to engage we're going to come together we're going to offer this funding in order to make sure that the ukrainians can continue this fight because we absolutely cannot concede to somebody that's trying to um push their will violating the world order that you were referring to earlier as this peace time where we just in the west said you don't get to do territorial Acquisitions just because you're stronger that all of us are going to push back on you now that I would love to see I would love to see people saying yeah we don't do the violent overthrowing of a Nation just because we can um that is definitely a world that I want to continue to live in where people do not do that but it does become a question of at what price and you get into the realities have to be faced and this is a debate that really needs to rage on and should not be shut down from a First Amendment standpoint you need the debate of who's right about why Russia invaded Ukraine is the imperialist and he has territory um acquisition dreams that are just part of this national identity and this belief that we're stronger and we need to reunify uh the former USSR or was this entirely based on provocations of the West constantly moving NATO closer and closer to their borders because remember NATO was put together to keep Russia in check and so Russia's like hey remember the Cuban Missile Crisis that was you guys having a beef with Russia bringing nuclear capabilities to your doorstep you didn't like that so much so that we only narrowly avoided nuclear war but I'm supposed to just sit here as you keep making more and more countries closer and closer to my borders members of NATO like if if Ukraine became part of NATO we literally have a border now with a NATO country we're we're not going to stand for that there has to be some sort of buffer zone that debate needs to rage I'm not saying I know the answer I'm just saying that debate needs to rage like we need to let people pull out as much information as possible come up with as many testable hypotheses as possible so we can really begin to zoom in on what this is but no matter what it is Europe being able to protect itself Europe allocating their own dollars to being able to protect themselves Europe just being together in lock step is going to be by far the greatest um way for Russia to have whatever Tendencies they have kept in check now now it does bring questions back to are we now going into a tripolar world where you've got the US with its sphere of influence you've got China with its sphere of influence and now is Europe going to be forced into playing the hand of I guess we now have our sphere of influence it might it might and uh I don't have a strong take yet on whether that's a good or a bad thing but I do know that the US playing World Cup did not have only positive consequences so it might don't feel strongly yet it might be better I would just love for them to clean up their own backyard um and leave us out of it so I'm glad that they're taking steps to do that it's cool to make a budget though and it's cool to form coalitions but everybody thinks they're going to win until they're actually in the war and push come to shove if we still have to go and then bail them out then they just spent a whole bunch of money for us to do the same thing that we could have done from day one so we'll see how it plays out but it's a interesting worst case scenario there as well why do you say worst case scenario because they're spending all this money and then if it it turns out to be Moot and not enough and they don't have the capabilities for war well I iton just because you spend a lot of money doesn't mean you're like going to win a Wars meaning that they might still lose yeah for sure but if you throw a trillion dollars even mildly intelligently that's another trillion dollars that Rush has to fight through so you will at a minimum weaken them from a Manpower standpoint you will weaken them from an economic standpoint uh and if you get the onetwo punch of Europe comes together spends a trillion dollars helping Ukraine fight and the US looks at that and goes hell no and puts all these crazy sanctions uh on Russia and remember many of those sanctions will look like us punishing European nations and other countries for buying their natural gas and oil um if you do all of that together then you if you meaning disrupt Russia's sales of oil and natural gas they're they're really in trouble like really really in trouble so I don't think they would be able to survive that War I think that really would if America is prepared to make good on that uh I think that would bring a pretty Hasty end to the war copy and in other political news president Trump officially signed the executive order to establish a strategic Bitcoin Reserve uh David set put out this tweet as his as the announcement um just a few minutes ago president Trump signed an executive order to establish a Bitcoin strategic reserve the reserve will be capitalized with Bitcoin owned by the federal government that was forfeited as a part of criminal or civil asset forfeiture proceedings this means it will not cost taxpayers a dime I know you're excited about that part yeah buddy it is it is estimated that US government owns about 200,000 Bitcoin however there has never been a complete audit the EO directs a full accounting of the federal government's digital asset Holdings the US will not sell any Bitcoin to osit into the reserve it will be kept as a store of value the reserve is like a digital Fort Knox for the cryptocurrency often called digital uh digital gold premature sales of Bitcoin have already caused taxpayers over 17 billion in Lost value now the federal government will have a strategy to maximize the value of its Holdings to get to that 17 he to he brought up an example of how we we sold off around 13 3300 million of Bitcoin that we forfeited from uh civil and criminal proceedings and if we would have held on to that it would have bloned up to $17 billion wow um your thoughts on the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve yeah I mean look I because we didn't spend money to buy it we just already have it and now we're just saying we're not going to foolishly sell it that I like um obviously as a holder of Bitcoin I love it because it just further shows The credibility that this asset has been able to build up I think he would be very hardpressed when the um most successful government the largest economy for the most part um has backed it and said okay this is a real store of value and we see enough upside future potential that we think it is an absolute mistake to sell this stuff off um that sends a very clear signal to if nobody else to a kid right now that's 12 years old and they just live in a world where oh I just hear in the background this thing matters I see it as a Ticker on you know when my parents are watching the news so they're just growing up in a world where we now have a strategic reserve of Bitcoin uh we now have um Bitcoin tickers that pay attention to the price it will become a part of what news shows talk about so it will just be the thing it will be the water that kids grow up in and so given my whole thesis about Bitcoin is that tomorrow will be more digital than today and therefore that is going to continue to increase in value this is a pretty big moment for that and there's a reason why people have wanted it now the reason I don't want the government necessarily spending money on it I Leave myself a bit of an out because there are certainly scenarios that I could paint where I'd be like even though I think this is gambling it's a reasonable way to gamble but that would take a very specific set of things to be true but for the most part I don't want to see the government spending money to buy assets I want to see them leveraging assets that we already have so whether that's oil and natural gas uh whether that's Timber whether that's Bitcoin that we've already seized things like that yay um but yeah going out and acquiring assets is where I get a little bit uh less if we can get shares from TiK ToK by getting the deal done that one really lands smack dab in that great area for me where I'm like do I want the government getting involved in that and negotiating like that I don't know I don't know is the honest answer only time will'll tell now hitting a podcast circuit um sand Banker freed was on with Tucker Carlson and this moment kind of stood out to you I'm GNA play the clip and then we'll talk about it so you were famously identified with a worldview and ideology maybe even a religion called effective altruism and the idea was that it's I understand that you you know do the greatest good for the greatest number you make money in order to help the maximum number of people and some have pointed out the irony that in the collapse of your company like a million people lost money um so there were a lot of individuals hurt in an effort that you described as like the greatest good for the greatest number and I wonder if all of this has made you rethink the precepts of effective altruism it hasn't made me rethink the precepts obviously I feel terrible about what happened it's not at all what I intended and what everyone's intentions are I you know if you screw up then the results might be different you people have their money back at the end okay so judge things by the fruit that they bear that that sums up my whole thing about if you want to know whether you did something right or wrong you need only look at assuming you have an honorable goal okay you have an honorable goal did the things you do get you to that honorable goal yes or no if yes great you did the right thing if no then you did not do the right thing this obviously does not work if your goal is fundamentally um grotesque but so assuming that you have an honorable goal um so if effective altruism in reality does not bear the fruit that it should on paper like communism like socialism then you've got to say this just doesn't work now this situation is very complicated drugs were involved hubris was involved yada yada but that's the reality of The Human Condition and so expecting people uh to make honorable decisions when they only think the final outcome matters forgetting that they can't control the final outcome you you get problems and so to me this is a what I hear him saying is well but on paper it's still awesome there are a lot of things that on paper are awesome but all of us myself very much included have got to look at well but in practice is it awesome and this needless to say was not awesome in practice all right now let's CE up this Destiny clip uh my man Eric we're about to play it soon so for context yesterday on Destiny stream he reacted to his interview with Tom you guys cover tariffs inflation and this was right around the election so this is when Trump and Harris were NE to neck and we didn't know who was going to win so just for context how and I have legitimately not seen so this is a live reaction of Tom being reacted to even when I bang on the table and say I know this I understand this and everybody should listen people should merely take it as a data point that allows them to build a more cohesive world please he played it oh he's playing that's hilarious got it don't have all the right answers I don't want anybody to treat like I have the right ansers everybody need to think for themselves no one is coming to save us we want to map the world as it actually is okay only thing to talk about is this this is him clicking around inflation the second you money you are me so my on teros is that most of his posturing that he's gonna do it selectively and if he doesn't and he really doesn't cross everything he's a already more but he did teros reasonably well didn't though just increased the cost of goods in the United States where you want to do that so take the chips for instance if we're really trying to onore things or take things that are uh weapons manufacturing anything that's in that chain even if it's slight more expensive for us to do it uh domestically we need to do it because I think again I think and nobody I do not want to be dictator very much because I think I'm very fall uh but it is odds that we're moving towards conflict with China the last thing I want are my artillery shells or bullets or whatever to be hamstrung by their ability to produce I think that's fair and I think that there are National Security argum you can use for terrorist uh Trump very rarely makes these usually makes econic arents for but what you're talking about they would say you do say we'll probably pay a little bit more for this but it's probably worth final SEC applications I agree with that for sure across age we're saying that suggesting the tax real which I'll bet you here now we you know $5,000 $1,000 will never happen because it's such a stupid policy all forms of wealth tax financial transaction tax unrealized gain taxes are untable for a billion different reasons okay I know it will happen um even so I again I have not I don't remember the rest of the conversation that we had but that's going to go something like um well when she puts forward absurd policy it's just never going to happen when Trump puts forward absurd policy well you have to actually take that seriously so remember this was recorded I had no idea what Trump was actually going to do with his tariffs and I kept saying in the interview if he doesn't across the board tariff that's dumb so anyway keep okay even if she might have flirted with I don't know talk but so we're saying that she will do that we're gen concerned about that but we're not genely concerned about Trump doing the only economic policy that he's given he's basically running on that he's shown indications of and has done a little bit in the past because one I've seen what four years under Trump looks like and it that for everything that you care about it was horrible he spent like crazy printed money like crazy oh he did on that they're both I don't understand how people are so resistant they'll say the things it's not just this guy by the way because it was the guy that I talked to last time and the guy before Richard and the the the law um Tik Tok Guy where they'll say like I care about this thing I like okay wait wa wait hold on you said that you care about this thing right it's the guy is like my favorite person in all of human history is OJ Simpson okay hold on let's go back what are the things you care the most about again um I hate people that play sports and I value the lives of white women more than anything else in the world okay wait wait wait wait wait wait wait hold on and I'm racist wait hold on wait wait okay well wait I feel like isn't okay wasn't he like a football player though okay maybe okay what about like the whole like murder thing sure okay maybe past performance is not an indicator future paper okay and then also isn't he black it's like that means a lot of things it's like okay wait so and then the the comparison is like like to like Bill Gates or some like white nerd unathletic it's like okay make this make sense for me here is you have two opposing World Views so he is looking at me as somebody who is on a team and that I'm saying um Trump can do no wrong and when if you because he said like this is your favorite person in the world at obviously just making an example Trump is not my favorite person in the world um I was sad that Trump was the only option that I considered reasonable he was not the person that I want I did not want to be choosing between KLA Harris and Trump uh also with the why was I quote unquote giving Trump a pass on the money printing I'm not and so I've got two governments both of whom money print like crazy so those just cancel each other out so the money printing I'm not going to be like yeah you got to disqualify Trump on money printing so that I go to the other money printer I'm saying if I had a choice between one government that was like dude we understand we are driving towards a fiscal cliff we have got to back off from that this government will never money print there is no wa we are focused on Innovation I'd be like yes like I want to go to that team but they both print like Psychopaths so it's just that those two cancel each other out so if you want to like if I'm having to to go back to his example if I'm having to choose between two people that murdered people I'm like it's like okay well it's I'm not going to be able to make the decision based on that to Destiny's point he did say that across theboard terrce were bad and you like yeah if he does across board tffs that would be like crazy and Trump is doing across the board tffs right now right so do you hear me going oh my God these are amazing I'm so glad he's doing across theboard tariffs yes wait what do you mean yes you hear me saying that okay I heard that you're not saying yes tariffs are great I love tariffs let's do more tariffs I said literally if he does across theboard tariffs that would be stupid and do you hear me championing them now or do you hear me being very consistent with that because my hypothesis remains that you're going to put yourself in a position where you are now playing chicken now admittedly I don't know how it will play out and the more I look into tariffs the more I'm like okay it it has one outcome which is it will onshore manufacturing which we need to do but it will also piss off your trade partners and if you're doing them as as far as I can tell as um I think Trump is driven largely by two things the desire to onshore he is right about that it is the more I research about that the more I'm like holy we have got to onshore some of our manufacturing MH and then the other is this like super weird Petty like it's got to be fair it's got to be fair now I haven't looked at it enough to know if we should be worried about like one for one we probably shouldn't so it's like that one is yeah it's probably a bad idea and the way that he's doing it is putting us in this super weird position where now we are racing towards catastrophe in terms of if he is not able to onshore enough jobs fast enough if he is not able to get other countries and companies to invest in America large enough fast enough it will have been an unmitigated disaster but what I don't understand is how people think that I'm thinking through the problem in any way other than I know where I'm trying to end up I need to be in a strong position to protect myself from a hot war with China which people may want to pretend is not a possibility that is a very real possibility and onshore gets us there oning dude onshoring the most important elements of our Modern Life from Modern Warfare which is going to be drones and semiconductors which guess what China controls uh Rare Earth minerals for batteries and like that guess what China controls so it's like we are in this super weakened position and I understand that we have to get an outcome that brings that stuff home is across theboard tariffs going to do it as far as I can tell across theboard tariffs put you in a very precarious position and so I do not love that this is his strategy so will they end up coming to fruition and let's remember this is halftime we don't know where this is going to go yet but dude I am I'm watching the way that he's doing this and I'm like if I were advising you I would not be advising you to do this and he's already pulled back a lot of these tariffs the auto tffs um got pulled back he just also pulled back some more from Canada and Mexico because he was violating the um trade agreement that you and Edward talked about which I'm very excited about that interview to drop help me see something I don't see so I will and I hope you know and I certainly hope the audience knows I will give you my best most voracious argument as a way to test whether or not my argument holds water because I want to see if you're still like no that doesn't make any sense and you've got to look at it from this angle which will only make me more able to predict the outcome of my behaviors which will make me able to uh be in the stock market better and make more money so even if you just trust me to be selfish I just want to know like what actually works because my self self esteem is not based around being right my self-esteem is based around identifying the right answer faster than the next person and making that something real in my life that leads me to the places that I want to go which include getting even wealthier which include building the biggest video game of all time so just trusting me to be selfish if you understand what I build my self-esteem around you will understand why I'm like yeah yeah the guy saying the bad things go back to him I want to hear what the the bad things are you yeah so give it to me I want to know like what do you think I'm being blind to where am I that that's the thing though I spend time with you so I understand how you make decisions so that's why I see the one two 3 4 five and a lot of times when we're playing the politics game it's they want you to come on here and say Trump did tearist he's up and as soon as they hear this they like Yay Tom gets it again so it's not necessarily you have a take wrong or you have a you are blind to something it's they want you to disagree as feverishly as they disagree so that way you could be on there it's nonsensical that it's emotional they're looking for emotional respons true and we may remain a small Channel until the end of time because I'm that is the game and that unless I can give people that they are not going to be interested I get it uh entertainment is a drug that people take because they want to feel a certain way and if I'm not able to make people feel the way they want to feel this show will stall understood I I steer by the following observation all that matters is how you feel about yourself when you're by yourself and so I have to say the things that I believe to be true because I I have maybe erroneously built a value system inside of myself that says every word out of my mouth has to be true and it has to lead to making other people's lives better and that's where I'm like if people will argue with me at the level of value system then oo now we can have cuz people always want to argue at the level of belief beliefs but that's the thing it's a headline argument so okay first argument Trump is a fascist Trump is a Nazi you shouldn't like Trump because he's divisive we can play the very different statements but the divisive part I care not about I well that's not quite true I wish he could bring people together that would be super powerful uh I am far more drawn to characters that can bring people together for sure but if Trump this this is why and somebody said in the comments well Tom uh Trump was saying that he wanted to run for a third term before why you're why are you acting surprised now and the reason is honestly when he said it earlier I was always like ah I don't like that but I thought he was being funny then he started going for Greenland Panama Canal uh Canada and talking about running for a third term I was like oh God this is somebody revealing exactly like this little thing inside of them and I think Trump has imperialistic impulses all of these things were not as important as taxing unrealized gains to you um they were not visible to me at the time but if you rehel the election today I would still vote for Trump so but that doesn't mean yeah that that is me choosing between two bad options that is not me saying oh there's somebody perfect but also by the way we're on the all things we're talking about all the things that I don't like there are also a lot of things that I do like about what Trump is doing and so yeah if the the nice to synct way to put it is I'm growing increasingly skeptical that Trump will be able to get a positive outcome and at the same time today given those same two choices over I would make the same decision still for sure because you're in you didn't have faith in who Cala was as a presidential candidate because of her entire Democratic party has a value system that will run us into the ground it will become increasingly authoritarian it will uh be economically nonsensical they will they would have um clamped down on AI we would continue to be at China's Mercy from a manufacturing standpoint uh they want to control the narrative which is why they all speak with one unified voice they are anti- first amendment like they those things are so much more dangerous than the things that I see coming out of Trump's Camp because here's what I think is going to happen to the thing about Trump that scares me the most is not that he'll make an economic mistake the economy is extremely difficult uh it does scare me and you will continue to hear me make noises if I think Trump is mispp but the thing that um I worry most about about with him is bonapartism and the bonapartism I think will get checked at the midterms so it takes it takes a literal act of Congress to amend the Constitution so I think the Constitution will protect us but I'm not going to lie and say that it isn't becoming self-evident that Trump has an imperialist um impulse from the rhetoric around Gaza I mean it's just like that that's undeniable so again I will seem crazy if people think I'm on a team I am not not on a team I have an end state that I'm trying to reach I voted for the person that I thought would get us there that person remains though by a decreasing margin the person that I think is actually most likely to get us there if he continues to do that causes problems like I mean right now the short-term effect in the economy is horrendous on the stock market I should be more clear the short-term impact on the stock market is ugly and so now it becomes a question is it a short-term blip as he often are or is is he legitimately going to run us a ground don't know we're going to see that play out but all the people that look at me or anybody else and they keep trying to take it back to uh he was a and he voted for the wrong person and he's now just trying to defend him you're you're I am unable to pierce your frame of reference because that is a nonsensical way to interpret the words that I'm saying there's no way they could repeat my stance back to me in a way that I would recognize it's there's no way because I have said over and over and over exactly how I process data I can go Point by point and explain exactly how I'm processing data and then people are trying to cram that into their team-based worldview and it I see this will happen in marriages this will happen in uh when working with teammates in a company you're literally saying one thing but it deflects off their worldview that they are projecting onto you and so I will say to my wife routinely MH if I meant what you would have meant when I said those words I get why you're upset but since I didn't mean that we have to go with what did I actually mean and so then you break it down you say okay this is what I mean I can say it to you in a single sentence that's less than 35 words tell me my position back to me in a way that I say yes yes you understand my position if then she's like I understand your position but I disagree with it cool now now we're having an argument at the level of values and beliefs we are not having an argument at the level of two ships passing in the night where if you said the words I said they would mean something different than when I say them there is one thing mistake there is one thing that uh what would it have to take for you to say I regret I regret roting for Trump what would have to happen yeah uh if he Hollows out the middle class even more uh if he puts us on a weekend stage with China um the thing I care the most about China is scary but the thing I care most about is thriving uh lower and middle class again you need only trust me to be selfish as a wealthy person you sell things to at least the things that I make are sold to uh the middle class so it's like I need them to be thriving yeah even just for even if you don't think I care about people which I do uh even if I'm just being a greedy capitalist you cannot function as a Society if you don't have a thriving middle class it's crazy I'm also not a pull the ladder up behind me guy so uh I came from middle there's an argument to be made I came from lower middle class and becoming successful has been one of the great Thrills of my life because it did not feel like it was an outcropping of innate talents that I had it feels like it was an outcropping of learning a way of thinking that I was not taught as a kid and going oh my God this works so much better than what I was taught as a kid holy like you can teach other people to do this and now long before anybody knows who I am privately in my companies there are no cameras on me nobody knows who the I am I'm just a guy building a company and I'm like I will show up early I will stay late this is to drug dealers gang members I will show up early I will stay late I will teach you anything including building a competitive company to mine because I want you to understand how powerful these ideas are and I can see you've been trapped by what at that time I realized was an ideas problem this is not a money problem you guys can if you can adopt these ideas they will change your life what are the kpis then so you say hollow out the middle class I love that term but it sounds it's a generic term like are you saying the middle class will decline the inflation rate will drop below this rate you want to see average earnings increase what does it mean to have a bolstering middle class love that okay so there are a few key metrics you want to look at right now what you have is more people than ever are becoming wealthy okay yay right no because more people than ever are becoming poor and so what you see is this where you're going to have these two wildly stratified um contingents now the problem lies with the Genny coefficient and you you can't live in that world so the wealthy will try to dist themselves physically intellectually every which way possible from the poor and the poor will always be the far larger group and they will come to kill the rich so again just from a perspective of self-preservation that sounds terrible so one of the metrics that we're going to look at is is the middle class getting bigger so are people going from poor to middle class like that is a key you want to see that happening like crazy and then mine is one of the core things has got to be that the poor and middle class can just save their money to success not gamble not bet in the stock market if they want to do that it's amazing and I hope that they do because owning assets is very powerful even when your money is not being inflated but you have to understand it it is a complicated game where you can lose your money as fast as you make your money so I want them want everybody to have the ability to do it I don't want anybody to be forced to do it so um those two are massively important and can be measured just on a financial scale um there will be more but those are the easiest two to talk about that are just they're going to be naked in the data and then last one just from poor to middle class you want to see upward Mobility so is that again what what is the how do you define go from poor to middle class cuz I think it'll be a question of um earnings real earnings uh per household copy household earnings increasing yeah but real like you have to understand the difference between um nominal where it's like yeah you number go up but it only go up because of inflation real is like you're actually outstripping inflation uh so household earnings adjusted for inflation increasing yes I man I think Destiny is dope uh even if he wears a shirt that says Tom is a like I still think he is a I'm so glad that he is in the public sphere somebody was saying I think it was the Charlie Kirk um interview with Gavin Newsome which man do I love I I am very impressed with Gavin Newsome a sentence I never thought I would say as a Californian but the fact that he brought wow brought Charlie Kirk in I was very impressed that's exactly where I was going it worked saw that podcasts were big he says I'm going to start a podcast and let me go sit with the other side and he's flip-flopping on positions everything he said everything he was 10 toes down six months ago now oh yeah I don't I never felt that way I feel completely different I would like you to press the James buron button that is so self-evident so now you at least have somebody that's good at what he does uh this is why people call Gavin Nome slippery he's got enough Charisma enough good looks that he can pull it off he can do it so anyway I the thing that I'm impressed with is that he sat down with Charlie Kirk like he was willing to go 10 toes down with Charlie Kirk who is a formidable Foe for anybody on the left I I am impressed and I Now understand how Nome has gotten where he's gotten I have I have a clip can we play that clip I sent you they have a Nome clip last night trying to put my son to bed he's like no dad I just what time what time's Charlie gonna be here what time and I'm like dude you're in school tomorrow he's 13 he's like no no this morning wakes up at 6 something he's like I'm coming I'm like he literally would not leave the house did you let him take off school no he did of course not he's not here for a good reason but the point is you canel school for like two years once one the point is the point which is you are making a damn I'm kidding when you go to these I like that was hilarious like and it was just like ha you got me that's how you do it that's how you do it guys the techniques are in full view they are in full view uh yeah look easy charm man an easy laugh just blows it off it it diffused Charlie Kirk he didn't keep pushing if he had argued there if he'd gotten annoyed uh if he hadn't allowed himself to be the butt of a joke it then it would have become a thing it's very slick man it's very slick Let's Race through two things real fast so one just on the Pod uh cast circuit one thing that I found very interesting was you had pbd that had on Andrew Tate and you had Ian Carroll on Rogan Ian Carol is known for just being way way deep in conspiracy theories and one question you'd asked me before is should somebody like that who's popping off about things that they can't prove should they be able to talk same idea with Tate some people think that he's an absolute criminal that should be locked away and never heard from again uh should he be allowed to talk for me this is a First Amendment question and 1,000% I believe people should be able to talk even if they're lying I think people should be able to talk why because I don't want anyone to get to control who they think is lying or is telling the truth that is an absolute nightmare the only way for us to navigate intelligently is to let people argue ideas no matter how outside the realm of uh acceptable discourse you think it is people should be able to put their ideas forward and let them be debated now I'm all within the confines of what the um Supreme Court has ruled on but first amendment all day let people talk the second you find yourself with the impulse to tell people to shut up and sit down you're the problem it's so facto all I have to say about that if so facto uh all right and last but not least Nick Terry who's a manager and producer out in La has tweeted this and it kind of brings up our AI debate that we have a lot of times the T the TV writer career path as as we know it is over shorter rooms fewer episodes long gaps between Seasons if they come back at all if you're still waiting for the industry to bounce back to normal it's time to Pivot some key takeaways from this piece um IND wire released a piece about the the death of the TV industry from a writer's perspective Staffing is no longer sustainable career many rooms are now the norm not the exception the ladder to showrunner broken residuals are shrinking or gone even big hits are getting cancelled early so what now writers need to stop thinking like employees and start thinking like entrepreneurs create IP write across mediums build something you own something that doesn't rely on a singer streamer's green light the future is global independent and multiplatform be nimble build your brand tell great stories everywhere you can if you're not already thinking this way start today this is a new normal what are your thoughts on this yeah I mean that's just facts so so this idea of most people in the world of AI are going to have to start thinking like an entrepreneur because you're going to be able to create so much with your own hands that fewer and fewer people will aggregate into larger companies there is going to be a huge portion of humanity that just starts making their own thing whether that's building a company and only need a small handful of people or whether like me I can clearly Envision a world in which at impact Theory we pick a creator and we say cool this is your budget go tell this entire featurelength story or hey here's your budget go build an entire video game by yourself and then of course if we can do that as a company then you're going to have a gaggle of people that are like well why would I go to impact Theory and ask for a budget let me just do this my own self capture all the economics and so I even can imagine a world where I actively as the owner of impact Theory am building these things myself or the thing that we're doing right now is making sure the game that we're building project kaisen is created in such a way where other creators can come and build inside of our game and monetize inside inside of our game and if you don't create an opportunity for those creative minds to act like an entrepreneur within your container you're you're going to be made irrelevant those are going to be the only things that move forward and so we're in this sort of weird period as the streamers I think are going to start to die down um that what you're going going to get is something way more like YouTube where they may say hey we aggregate all of these cool things we have an awesome algorithm that makes it easy for you to find these things but ultimately a lot of what's on Netflix or insert your platform here is created by the community and we're we didn't have any influence over the creation because people are able to make this stuff so rapidly for so little money and as long as they have a monetization path for that person based on the subscribers now you can scale content effectively infinitely and everything more or less becomes like YouTube That's the future it's crazy everybody thought we were going to become more like Netflix everybody's becoming more like YouTube facts this is what it is when you can create that rapidly all right everybody if you have not already be sure to subscribe and make sure you're joining us for the lives Monday Wednesday Friday 8 a.m. if you want to shape the show that is your chance all right until next time my friends be legendary take care peace here is the brutal truth about scaling most entrepreneurs don't outright fail they plateau and if you're stuck right now you know how true that is 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