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Israel fires back at the Houthies. Trump
calls out Iran. Trump denies he's
running for a third term, but seems
confused about the Constitution. China
woos the EU and tells the CIA to chill.
Zuck wants you to have more AI friends.
Steven Miller steps on the throat of
leftist values. Racists make 600K for
saying the N-word. And as it turns out,
marriage is for the old and the poor.
Drew, who knew? Well, jumping right into
it, Israel has just attacked a main
airport in Yemen. And this happened
literally earlier this morning. Um
there's this is a retaliation to the
Houthis who attacked Israel on Sunday
night. Um I want to bring it back to
this tweet from Donald Trump and then
this retweet from Benjamin Netanyahu cuz
it's interesting that Trump was calling
out the Houthies saying that they're
backed from Iran. Benjamin retweeted it
and then literally probably moments
later he then struck struck Yemen as a
response to the Houthies. So, I don't
know if we put this as, you know, Donald
Trump tweeting is is empowering folks to
go on war tears or maybe it is time for
the Houthies to get theirs, but the the
Middle East conflict is spinning out of
control as we speak. So, let's jump into
Trump's initial tweet and then Benjamin
Netanyahu's retweet. So, Trump tweeted
on May March 17th, let nobody be fooled.
The hundreds of attacks being made by
Houthis, the sinister mobsters and thugs
based in Yemen who are hated by the YMI
people are all emanate from and are
created by Iran. Any further attack or
retaliation by the Houthis will be met
with great force and there is no
guarantee that the force will stop
there. Iran has played the innocent
victim of rogue terrorists from which
they've lost control. But they haven't
lost control. They're dictating every
move, giving them giving them the
weapons, supplying them with money and
highly sophisticated military equipment
and even so-called intelligence. Every
shot fired by the Houthis will be looked
upon looked upon from this point forward
as being a shot fired from the weapons
and leadership of Iran. and Iran will be
held responsible and suffer the
consequences and those consequences will
be dire. Donald J. Trump. And then
Netanyahu retweeted, "President Trump is
absolutely right. Attacks by the Houthis
emanate from Iran. Israel will respond
to the Houthi attack against our own
main airport and at a time and a place
of our choosing to the Iranian terror
masters. So they have responded this
morning with an attack that has shut
down their main airport uh critically
enabling the Houthi transportation." All
right. So the attacks on the Houthis I
think at least I mean this is terrible
to relegate something like this but uh I
don't think you're going to see a lot of
escalation coming out of Yemen but
Netanyahu put in all caps and we're
going to be striking back at the
Iranians now a time and place of their
choosing. Are they not going to do it on
Iranian soil? Iranian soil, excuse me. I
have a feeling it is going that they're
going to directly attack Iran. So that's
where this makes me nervous. Now during
the live today, I went on a very long
fractal. People should check out the
highlights that we always put at the end
of the episodes. But there it is very
hard for me to reconcile Donald Trump as
the president of peace wanting to have a
legacy of being a peacemaker when he
starts saying stuff like this, which is
clearly escalatory. Look, I get peace
through strength, but being led down the
garden path of attacking a um what is
way too close to becoming a nuclear
power,
um this is not good. So, I don't want to
see us with boots on the ground in Iran.
I don't want to see us bombing the
living daylights out of Iran. But we
have to contend with the fact that uh
Iran, at least at the level of analysis
that I've done, it does seem like Iran
is uh using a lot of proxies to go to
war, certainly with Israel. There's
obviously a conflict between the US and
Iran. There's weirdness around China and
Iran, how much they're intertwined.
China and Russia are intertwined. Uh
Russia and North Korea are intertwined.
So, it's like this starts to get very
messy very fast. And I do not want to
see us push Russia, North Korea, China,
uh, Iran together into especially given
that North Korea and China are both
nuclear powers. Obviously, Russia, the
biggest nuclear power of all.
So, it starts getting dire very fast.
You have to draw a line. You have to be
willing to uh make a firm stand. But
dude, you've got
to pursue diplomacy first. And this does
not feel like that. This feels like
Trump being overly aggressive. Mhm.
And I don't know where the domino stop
falling. And so, as I'm watching all of
this unfold, everything just feels like
it's taking that next step, that next
step down the primrose path. And I'm not
sure where everybody thinks the exit
ramps are. Uh so for somebody who
campaigned on I'm not going to be
starting any new
warsoo there has been uh there's been
enough recklessness in the way that he
has gone about like uh if we can't get
what we want out of Ukraine then we're
just going to back out which only
further emboldens Russia to go and do
their thing. Now hey maybe he ends up
pulling it off but woo man um there is a
level of recklessness to all of this
that worries me tremendously. I think
what worries me is that we're
intertwined with them. So Trump saying
who's to them? Yeah, we're intertwined
with Israel. Cuz Trump calling out Iran,
it could be 100% legitimate. Iran could
be on their BS and they could be funding
the Houthies. But now that Israel
attacks Iran, to your point earlier
about the economic kind of entwinement,
Iran is part of the BRICS nation. That
means they have Brazil, they have
Russia, they have China, that they at
least have economic interests in their
countries. Just like we've seen North
Korea and Chinese soldiers allegedly
from Ukraine sources have been in Russia
fighting and aiding Russian soldiers on
that front. Who's to say North Korea or
China won't send a couple troops into
Iran to help Israel? Then at that point
would the US to help Israel to help
excuse me to help Iran fight Israel?
Then would Israel then look at the US to
kind of ask us to put troops on the
ground to help them? So that's where I
kind of see this first domino fall that
can lead to all these other things
almost like a a church hill moment where
if all our allies are fighting, they're
going to look at us eventually be like,
"Hey, you got to hop in here." If Iran
and all these other countries are
intertwined, would the opposite happen
to us? So it's it's an interesting uh
set it's an interesting setup right now.
Yeah, I often feel like I'm being
mentally terraformed to accept an
escalation. And so yeah, reading that
tweet, I would much
rather more details. What do you mean?
Instead of the consequences are going to
be dire. I get it. You're trying to
scare them. Uh but what I don't want
floating around is that this could
escalate to boots on the ground or a
whole bunch of bombs being dropped on
Iran. I I just don't see how there's a
kill switch to all of this. It just
feels like escalation, escalation,
escalation. And again, I get it like
you've got to have peace through
strength, but boy, it it can't be a
known bluff. So, you've got to be
willing to back it up. So, we've seen
what he's willing to do with tariffs.
That may or may not play out well. Uh, I
have a lot more um grace to be given for
economic warfare than I have for actual
warfare warfare. Uh, so if he were to do
the kinetic equivalent of what he's
doing with tariffs, [ __ ] that. Yeah. So,
uh, don't love it. Yeah. Continuing on
the Trump train, um, he's been getting
some slack. first the Trump 2028 hats
dropped. So when he sat down with me the
passes over the weekend, they asked him
point blank, would he run for a third
term? Are you seriously considering a
third term, Mr. President, even though
it's prohibited by the Constitution, or
is this about staying politically
viable? I will say this,
so many people want me to do it. I have
never had requests so strong as that,
but it's something that to the best of
my knowledge, you're not allowed to do.
I don't know if that's constitutional
that they're not allowing you to do it
or anything else, but there are many
people selling the 2028 hat, but this is
not something I'm looking to do. I'm
looking to have four great years and
turn it over to somebody, ideally a
great Republican, a great Republican to
carry it forward. But I think we're
going to have four years. And I think
four years is plenty of time to do
something really spectacular. The
Constitution does prohibit it. Have you
some of your allies are pretty serious
about this though, Mr. President. I've
spoken to them. They say they are coming
up with potential ways. Obviously, the
biggest one would be a constitutional
amendment. That's because they like the
job I'm doing and it's a compliment.
It's really a great compliment. Has
anyone approached wrong about that?
Listen, on the
it I would viferously campaign against
it as I don't want to see anybody
running a third term. But if you can get
a constitutional amendment passed, hey,
that's what constitutional amendments
are for. I think it is a terrible idea.
I want to be very clear. I like my two
terms. Get get people out.
Um, but his answer was great. People
want me to do it. I take it as a
compliment. It's meant as a compliment.
They like the job that I'm doing. I'm
here for four years and then I'm going
to hand it off. Um, the part that and
that worries me, but the thing that I
get why people are zooming in on is
later in the interview, and we should
pull it up, but later in the interview,
she says,
um, something about the Constitution.
He's like, well, I don't I don't know
about that. That's why I have lawyers.
And it's like, yes, I get it. I'm glad
you brought that I'm glad you brought
that moment up. Let's jump right into
it. talk about this because uh obviously
you've had a back and forth with the
Supreme Court in a non to zero decision.
The Supreme Court directed your
administration to facilitate the return,
you've talked about this in the past, of
Kilmar Rego Garcia uh from a prison in
El Salvador whose deportation your
administration called an administrative
error. You said in a recent interview
you could bring him back, but you won't.
Are you defying the Supreme Court? No,
I'm relying on the attorney general of
the United States, Pam Bond, who's very
capable doing a great job because I'm
not involved in the legality or the
illegality. I'm have lawyers to do that.
And that's why I have a great DOJ. We
have a great one. We had a very corrupt
one before. Now we have a great one. And
they're not viewing the decision the way
you said it. They don't view it that way
at all. They think it's a totally
different decision. Well, you say you
have the power to bring him back,
though. Your attorney general says,
quote, "That's up to Al Salvador." Just
to put a fine point on this, do you have
the power to bring Abrego Garcia back as
the Supreme Court? Well, I have the
power to ask for him to come back if I'm
instructed by the attorney general that
it's legal to do so, but the decision as
to whether or not he should come back
will be the head of El Salvador. He's a
very capable man. Okay. So, there's a
few things going on that we need to
tease apart. One, does a president have
to be a constitutional scholar? No, they
do not. Uh, would I feel a lot better if
the president had a take on the
constitution and wasn't just like, well,
my attorneys will figure that one out. I
don't know. I'm just waiting for them to
advise me. Yes, I would much prefer
that. Um, he is very wise to listen to
his legal counsel. And at the same time,
I think that uh he is playing a game
because it is very self-evident that if
he reached out to
um El Salvador to Blly and said, "Hey,
listen. You know what? Let's just put
this to bed. Send Homie back. We're
going to process him. I'm going to send
him right back, but that way everybody
can chill. We can give this guy his due
process." He knows he could do that. He
knows Blly would be like, "All right, if
that's what you want to do, then we'll
do
it." He doesn't want to for reasons that
I think are extremely obvious. Now, this
is one of those, dude. Politically, it
is very wise to play the game the way
that he's playing
it. But I absolutely hate that it works
and that it would be it wouldn't be
perceived as a weakness or a
vulnerability in him if he brought him
back. it would be latched upon, people
would go crazy. It would be the world's
biggest spectacle and but that's the
political game. And so, um, this is
where you get into not just the
Mchavelians by James Bernham, but The
Prince by Mchaveli, where it's like
politics works a certain way, the human
mind works a certain way. This stuff is
all predictable. and uh he has perfect
cover which is the Supreme Court
decision which you and I went through
live during one of our lives pretty
clear in my opinion that it says hey you
can't if it doesn't say it in these
exact words but this is how I took it
you can't ask the president or you can't
tell the president how to run his uh
foreign affairs so we don't know what
he's doing with um El Salvador we can't
force them to have a relationship of a
given kind. That's the executive branch
and you've got to defer to them. And
they warned the lower court of not
overstepping. But they did say that he
has a constitutional
um requirement to facilitate him coming
back. Meaning if Blly said, "Hey, I want
to send him back." That the president
should pay for the flight, do whatever,
take him back because he did not give
him his due process.
Now, it's going to be debated six ways
this Sunday. The Supreme Court sent it
back down to the federal court judge
with their call for clarification. There
was a word they used that I'm now
forgetting. They were like, you're going
to need to like be really clear what you
mean by this word because it sounds like
you could be overstepping and trying to
comment on what the executive branch can
do from a foreign affairs perspective
and you can't do that. Um,
but all of this is a charade. All of
this is Kabuki theater. This is this is
the game. It's super obnoxious, but this
is the game. Yeah, it sucks that it has
to be that way, too, cuz to your point,
he can it's one phone call. Garcia's
back in the country, and then he could
go through his due process. But
Republicans are saying that, well, there
are so many illegal Americans, we would
have to deal with two million cases, and
that would take too long. So, we just
want to deport people. Here's the thing.
That is true. And the very thing that
we're going to have to deal with and I
think the Supreme Court so far has made
it very clear. Yeah, [ __ ] you. Too bad.
Tough [ __ ] like due process, due
process. They're here. Due process is
due process. You're going to have to run
all of those. At the same time, uh you
can't like logistically as of right now
today, you can't. So, thankfully, other
people than me have to solve that
problem. Uh I'm a big believer that you
have the Supreme Court for a reason. If
the Supreme Court says you have to do
due process, you can't skirt around this
anymore. But I think that we have a real
problem coming our way in adhering to
what seems like pretty clear
um rulings from the Supreme Court, which
is due process is due process. If
they're on the soil, they're on the soil
and that is what it is. So, how they're
going to get around that, I don't know.
They're going to have to try to get
other cases pushed through the Supreme
Court or they're going to have to say
because these are emergency measures
because this is u forget the act of war
whatever but he's using like some 17 89
statute. Um they're going to have to
like push that through to get an
official ruling on that. But I think
that there is a pretty calamitous mess
coming in that if the Supreme Court says
due process is due process, you got to
do it, then we got to do it. That means
that some huge number of the illegals
just for the logistics of the court
system are going to remain on our soil.
Uh you are going to have I think a
massive cultural problem which these are
not people that you can expect to have a
high assimilation rate. Lord knows I
hope I'm wrong about that. It's just a
base assumption that I have. um based
purely on emotion and gut feel. I'm
eager to hear that that isn't true and
we got people that just love America,
have American values, and want to
assimilate as fast as possible. Just
somehow I doubt it. Uh so yeah, it'll be
interesting to see how as a nation we
metabolize this issue. But it is
absolutely insane to me that for four
years we just kick the door wide open.
It's bananas, man. Yeah. And I mean,
that's why Trump is using every
executive order emergency clause he can
use to try to deport as many people as
possible to reset those scales. But the
Supreme Court had a different take. So,
it's it's eager to see it, but I
definitely seen in that Meet the Press
interview that it was playing politics
cuz when it came to the third term,
thank you for it. I'm not going to do
it. It's a compliment. I appreciate it.
When it comes to upholding the
Constitution, well, let's talk to the
lawyers. That's what the AG is for. And
I can kind of see him deflecting the
answer versus saying the confident yes
or no. Because if you were to ask them
about the economy, yeah, I have the best
economy and I'm the man and all these
other things and it's come to the
constitution. Oh well, they have to tell
me how to do my job. Yeah, this this is
the game of politics and I absolutely
despise it, but I don't see a way around
it. I don't think humans respond well to
neverending naked truth.
I I they are so selective. They hear
what they want to hear. And so if you
give them the ability to latch on to
something, they will latch on to it.
They will browbeat you with it. They
will pretend like they never did, you
know, XYZ thing. Uh be wildly
hypocritical on both sides. And so
everybody is positioning and spinning at
all times. It is utterly maddening. But
it is the world we live in. I don't know
what to do with that, man. This this is
arguably the most interesting thing
about uh being on the microphone is I
don't know if the world really wants a
um like honestly I find myself wanting
to dry hump the third rail of Israel
Palestine non-stop because there is
something about it where I'm like this
is the messy reality of what's going on
and I just want to talk about it
endlessly but people want to be on one
side or the
Like it just that's how everybody goes.
I listen to I'll leave them all
nameless. I listen to so many other
YouTube channels and they are all just
on a side and they are playing team ball
and they do the craziest like mental
girrations uh to make sure that they're
always like yeah yeah yeah like this
makes sense over
here. It just isn't how uh I think it is
wise to parse the world. But there's
people want that. They want like
intoxicate me with certainty. tell me
what I already believe.
Um, and it just loops into these kabuki
theater games. But it's what people
want. Drew, it's politics is kabuki.
Give the people what they want.
Let's pivot. Let's talk China. It's
crazy. Let's talk China. Um,
MFA_China is slowly becoming my favorite
Twitter account cuz whoever's running
this is spicy. It's that guy and
whoever's running the White House. like
the amount of troll the White House
person knows how to do, MFA China knows
how to do as well. Like they're going
banan. Um he tweeted, "Today marks the
50th anniversary of China EU diplomatic
ties. China and the EU are close
economic partners. Bilateral trade has
jumped from US 2.4 billion to
785.8 billion annually. A 300 plusfold
increase. Trade on a single day now is
equivalent to that of a whole year in
the past. China EU accounts for over
one-third of the global economy and more
than 1/4th of the global trade. As long
as China and the EU choose dialogue and
cooperation, block confrontation will
not occur. As long as China and the EU
choose openness and win-win, economic
globalization will not end. China and
the EU when joining heads will lift up
both sides and make for a brighter
world. China welcomes the EU
co-president and Ursa van Derlain the
president of the EU Commission to visit
China for a new China EU summit where we
will hold strategic economic and trade
environment and climate and digital
highle dialogues to celebrate the
anniversary starting from today we will
hold four high level receptions in a
series of events in economy and trade
culture youth sports and academic
exchange let's go China I think what
Trump unintentionally did was he told
the world hey these trade deals are bad
I want to talk about it. And he thought
everybody was going to say, "Okay, let
me get in line and talk to the US." And
everybody was like, "Wait, our trade
deals are bad." And people are starting
to talk to each other now. Cuz on the
back of this, well, see, man, Bessant
swears up and down. And it just may be
uh bald-faced lies and he's spinning and
he's trying to get it across the board.
But if he can be believed, and right
now, knowing what I know about the
economy, I'm sure it is a bit of both.
But he is saying we have 18 meaningful
trading partners. Set China aside.
Things are not going well with China as
of right now. They will tell you that's
fine. Uh we knew it was going to be
hard. yada yada. But 17 of them have
come to us with really good deals. Now
like anybody, they would be unwise to
close the door and to China. So I'm sure
that they are having conversations with
both because you want to find where you
have the most leverage.
Um, the way that I view it is this.
China either is a good partner or they
are a bad partner. And if they have been
a bad partner to us, they're going to be
a bad partner to the EU. If the EU is
wise, they're going to leave as many
open doors as they can. They're not
going to turn their back on China if
they don't have to. They're certainly
not going to turn their back on the US
if they don't have to. And if I'm the
EU, I'm asking myself, who has the
closer values match, the US or China?
Now, what's crazy, Drew, is 20 years
ago, I would have said obviously
America. I don't know anymore. And we
are going to find out uh what direction
people want to bounce. But this is a
really crazy moment. And I think the
only way that we get to the other side
of it is by being more American and not
trying to out China the Chinese. I think
that would be very unwise.
Uh, and we'll see how it shakes out. But
this is this is going to be crazy. I
man, I would just be beyond shocked
if
Europe looks at China and says,
"Yeah, yeah, like you got that. I wanna
I want to get hooked at the hip
together, the two of us, because I trust
you guys to longterm. You're not going
to uh dump cheap goods on us. You're not
going to manipulate your currency. Even
though you're doing both of those right
now, you're somehow someway not going to
do that with us. Um so we'll see. Man, I
don't know if this really is people are
just so addicted to having cheap goods
that they cannot see themselves or if
they are so
disgusted by what Trump represents that
they're just like anything but that.
That's how I feel with Canada. that
Canada is just like anything but that.
Doesn't matter that you have I mean
listen I have not seen the weaguer
concentration camps with my own eyes but
bro if they've really got people in
concentration camps and you're like well
bet of that what but we're going to see
how it plays out. So obviously I hope
that Besson is right. I hope that we um
one I hope everybody chills the [ __ ] out
and gets along. I want Europe to get
along with China. I want the US to get
along with China. I want China to chill.
I want America to chill. I want
everybody to be like, you know what?
Like, we see this loop play out over and
over in history. And we're just we're
not going to do it. We're smarter than
that. We're going to like everybody's
going to calm down. China may, I know
that I'm being spun all the time, but
they may be having their 2008 moment
right now with uh Everrand and all the
housing and banking problems that they
were having leftover inventory else. As
I said, look, they've got a lot of
printing that they can do before they
reach our problematic levels. So,
they're going to they are almost
certainly not in as weak of a position
as we are now, but they are probably in
a roughly similar situation to where we
were in 2008, 2009, where okay, like
we're going to have to do a lot of
stimulus to keep everything going.
That's not great. It's bad for the
long-term part of the economy, but 2008
was almost 20 years ago. So, we've been
able to kick the ball, kick the can a
long way down the road. So they've got a
lot of road to kick said K down. So
we'll see how this plays out. But
fingers crossed we get these trade deals
done uh and it is as Bessant represents
that we can isolate China enough that we
can restabilize things in a way that is
beneficial to the US. But I have a
feeling that this is all a part of the
managed decline and the reality is that
there is no unwinding this Drew. That
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let's get back to the show. So, while
MFA China was talking positively about
the EU uh China relations, they were
talking spicy about the CIA. They
tweeted the CIA posted videos on social
media to recruit Chinese personnel. This
is yet another solid confession of CIA
theft of other countries classified
information, interference in their in
internal affairs and subversion of their
governments, which severely breaches
international law and basic norms of
international relations and threatens
global security and stability. In
addition to smearing and attacking
China, the US blatantly attempts to coax
Chinese personnel, even government
officials, into being CIA informants.
This is a serious political provocation
and gravely undermines China national
interest. China strongly condemns CIA's
behavior. We will do whatever is
necessary to push back overseas
infiltration and sabotage and defend
China's sovereignty, security, and
developed development interests. People
need to read about China before they get
too hysterical about that tweet.
Uh admittedly, this is what countries
do. So, every country, up, down, left,
right, B, A, select, start, they all do
it. Uh I remember bus said French have
like the most infamous spots. Yeah.
think about that every time I talk about
Huh? Yeah. But yeah, so listen, the uh
the CIA does really bad [ __ ] 100%.
Including trying to recruit Chinese
people, but guess what the Chinese do?
Same thing. So some people call Tik Tok
a whole Chinese side. So bro, yeah,
probably true. and probably true that
uh let's nudge the algorithm in the
direction of just massively entertaining
and addictive instead of educational. So
yeah, it is a um I'm reading a book
about China right now called The Long
Game, which I definitely highly
encourage people to read. It's
fascinating one because the cultures are
just so different. The frame of
reference is so different. Uh but how
long they think uh down the road is
really pretty spectacular.
Yeah, we shall see. We shall see. Um
Steven Miller had a spicy press
conference um earlier this week where he
literally was just going line by line
talking about Trump's wins and it seemed
like he had a uh he seemed like he had a
gripe because he started at the uh
common sense administration uh the Trump
administration bringing common sense
back and starting with American
universities talking about their DEI and
racebased admission policies. He talked
about Title 9 and the equity in uh
gender um roles in sports. He talked
about indoctrination and CRT. This was
pretty much like a uh November like hot
button issue of just like CRT, trans
issues, uh Harvard, DEI, and I feel like
he was just hitting all the check boxes.
This guy's
disagreeability quotient is off the
charts. I have a feeling he loves to
argue. Absolutely. He chooses violence
every time he speaks. Literally every
time. Every time he speaks. Every time.
the the cultural reversal that we are
appearing to have right now because this
is going to lead us into our next topic
with like the Shiloh but yeah the Shiloh
and the N word thing is like there is
this there is this change in the culture
when President Trump came into office
whether you say it's good or bad it
depends where you follow your political
I think it's a little more there was a
change in culture and that brought you
Trump Trump is the response not the
cause for sure for sure for sure 100%
now look great man theory of history for
sure I think he also whipped it up if
there had been no Trump-like figure I
They really went after that kid like
trying to put him in jail, trying to
kill him. Like they really tried to get
Trump and I think that would break most
people. So, all right. Is he a once in a
generation? I don't know. But he's
certainly not growing on trees. Uh but I
think he is better interpreted as a
symptom and not a cause. Universities
across this country are in plain and
direct violation of the Supreme Court's
ruling that affirmative action as in
racial quotas and set aides are illegal.
Students must be admitted to
universities on a colorblind basis. But
we have demonstrated through clear
evidence that our university system,
including our medical schools, and
perhaps particularly our medical
schools, are engaging in racebased
discrimination, racial set aides, racial
quota schemes, and other efforts to
invade to to evade the Supreme Court's
ruling. And again, the plain text of
federal statute. So, universities are on
notice and universities are already
facing the financial consequences of
their non-compliance with federal law.
The the clearest example that we're all
familiar with, of course, being Harvard,
which is engaged in repeat, systemic,
and sustained violations of federal
civil rights law. I am the exact
opposite of Steven Miller in terms of my
disagreeability quotient. Uh, I do not
find myself choosing violence all the
time. I have to admit I was completely
blindsided by woke. I didn't see it
coming. I had no uh warm-up. It was
literally BLM riot started happening and
I was like, "What the [ __ ] is going on?"
I was so heads down building. The only
glimmer I got of it, which was right
before this, probably would have been
2019, like late 2019, was when I had the
writer room in the comics and I wrote a
character who said he said, "Don't be a
pussy." And they're like, "You can't say
that." I'm like, "What do you mean?"
They're like, "You can't say don't be a
pussy." I'm like, "I don't understand."
And I was legitimately like, "The
villain is saying this." So I'm like,
"But this isn't the guy you root for.
This is the guy like he's giving you the
cues. He's a bad person." They were
like, "No, you can't say it." I'm sorry.
You can't make those sounds. I Dude, I
was uh shocked. Yeah. And so I was like,
"Okay, I don't know." It did not make my
radar that it was like a societal
movement. And then whatever 5 months
later, this all pops off and I'm like,
"What is this
phenomenon?" And then, oh, another one.
I was saying [ __ ] like all the time
and cuz I grew up in the [ __ ] 80s,
bro. That was that's like our jam. Yeah.
And somebody said, this was like really
early on in
me being on YouTube. It's probably like
year three, and somebody was like, I
don't think Tom knows you can't say the
R word anymore. And so my team was like,
hey. And I was like, I couldn't process
it. So those are like I guess now
looking back those are my like two beats
of like the R word and then nobody can
say don't be a [ __ ]
But yeah, I I got completely caught off
guard. So I have to admit I have a
feeling the right is now going to swing
way too hard in the opposite direction
as evidenced by what we're going to talk
about with Shiloh. Um
but at the same time it it was well out
of hand on the left. Like that was crazy
town. And have you seen what's going on
at the University of Washington when the
they shut down the the like engineering
department or something and they um so
it's lit on fire as of like an hour ago
and uh I think it's we need to look it
up. Please fact check me. I think this
is about Hamas. Dude, we we are having a
a moral collision. A values collision. A
values collision. We're having a values
collision in the country that honestly I
thought was going to be easier to
resolve and I realize now some amount of
people on the extreme I like to believe
these are just the extremes that we're
talking about but they are racing away
from each other so fast. This is part of
how I don't know how we unwind this and
come back together. So, uh Scott
Galloway has a podcast called Raging
Moderates. I think they do a pretty good
job. Look, he's going to have takes that
people don't like. I like to think that
I'm racing towards the middle as fast as
I can. People aren't going to like some
of my takes,
but are these like going to be the ones
or is it going to be the ones that are
way more extreme that get all the
energy? I have a really bad feeling it's
going to be the extremes until there's a
big enough collision, enough pain and
suffering that people finally chill. But
I I don't see how we get out of this
without the pain and suffering. Yeah, I
feel like everybody wants a bad guy. So,
we're kind of playing the fingerpointing
game. So, whether we're talking about
woke or we're talking about these
protests or we're talking about the
Shiloh
thing, there are people that are
struggling right now and in their
struggle, they want to have a villain.
They want to have somebody that can say
these people did this thing that is
taking away from my rights. And when we
get out of our it's all about me me, I
think then we can kind of have a nuance
of the conversation. So, a lot of these
conversations to me are just internet
trolls talking to internet trolls. And
if you go outside and touch grass, race
relations really aren't on fire as much
as it is on Twitter. That I will agree
with. However, I will point you back to
Israel Palestine. That [ __ ] is real.
There's a lot of people dying and that
is the flash point. That is the thing
that allows these two colliding value
systems to look into their funhouse
mirror and see all the evidence they
need that the other side is a monster.
So it it isn't makebelieve like there is
something in the human psyche that's
that that is baked in that's as deep as
it gets and it is being triggered in
this moment and I have a really bad
feeling that this is the thing that is
triggered eternally in every populous
moment. I have a mapping of what's going
wrong, but I couldn't have predicted the
Shiloh thing. All right, let's dive into
it. Your home title may lead most
homeowners never do, but with a growing
amount of digital stands hiring property
owners, it's that we've seen in recent
years. And it all began in the late
afternoon on April 28th when the woman
we now know is Shy Hendricks took her
young child to a park in Rochester,
Minnesota. And at some point, a black
child reportedly 5 years old, tried to
steal something from her diaper bag.
Shiloh apparently responded in anger and
as the story goes, she called the boy
the nword. Now, a man named Sharmaki
Omar, a Somali immigrants, and not the
boy's father allegedly witnessed this
altercation inside the plot his phone,
and the resulting video has gone
extremely viral across every major
social media platform. Here it is. Did
you call the child? Did you call the
child? It is my business. You call Okay.
Why don't you have to say right now
again? Okay. All right. That's what
you're saying.
Nobody act like you about to hear him
chasing him. He took my son. Stop. So,
so that gives you the right to call the
child 5-year-old. That's what you're
going to call him. You know, that's a
hat speech. You can use credit for that.
I don't give a Okay, we'll see about
what the internet say about you. Now,
before we continue with the story, which
takes several more twist and turns, we
should know a few things. First of all,
we don't actually know for sure that the
boy is 5 years old. Uh, that's coming
from the man filming who was apparently
not related to the video. We appear to
get a glimpse of the kid. And this is
where this one really started derailing
hard for
me. Okay. Uh, he's not five, Drew. He's
seven. He's eight. He's nine. 10.
11.
Like, does that make it okay? I I yeah,
when he was like allegedly five, I was
like, unless he is 25, I I don't
understand how we're even bringing that
into this discussion, but okay,
Brazil, yeah, definitely looks older
than five. Omar has additionally claimed
that the boy is autistic, which we also
have no proof of, and we have no footage
of the actual encounter between the kid
and this woman. Did she scream the
n-word in his face? Did she moderate
under her breath? Did she say about the
child after he run away? Uh, we don't
know. And as far as I've seen, we
haven't heard anything from the boy's
parents. We don't know where they were
in all this, if they were even there,
which is very strange. So, there are
many aspects of the story that are
bizarre and unconfirmed. And here's
another disturbing detail. The Somali
man behind the camera, Omar, was charged
a couple of years ago with sexually
assaulting a minor. And according to the
local news channel KTC, those charges
were dismissed. A separate report by the
local affiliate as the charges were
dismissed in the interest of justice,
whatever the hell that means. But
whatever it means, now Omar, who was
previously charged with sexually
assaulting a minor, is at a playground
with his camera filming. So, make of all
that what you will. So, there are quite
a few details that still need to be
filled in here, but the saga continues
anyway. But anyway, what happened next
is quite predictable. So, you don't have
to wait for all the details. You can
know how would I think about this if X
detail was different. if y detail was
different. So, let's say the kid is
older. Let's say he's 10. Mhm. Does that
change anything? If it does, now I'm
more confused. If it doesn't, then why
are we planting the allegedly five camp?
Uh if the kid is autistic, does that
change anything? Like, do you now feel
like, "Oh, well, now it's outrageous."
Whereas before I was fine with it? Like
that's where the Matt Walsh take on all
of this I think is important for us to
look at because there's clearly a
movement coming that is saying I mean he
says at one point um in fact we should
play it but make sure this makes the
final cut. He says uh I'm glad she's
raised I think 500,000 at the time. I
hope she raises a million. And I was
like, "God damn." Uh, this is unhinged
madness. And
everybody I mean, people are laying
their cards on the table, man. And fair
enough, clarity is is maybe more
important than agreement. We're never
going to agree on everything, but yes,
people aren't hiding, but this
is crazy in terms of I want to get back
to the world where everybody can go,
uh, if the kid is taking things from her
kid, that's bad mojo. So, parents should
get together and be like, "Hey, remember
Timmy? Uh, we don't take things from
other people. like you got to learn this
is their stuff. You don't take it
autistic or not.
Uh kids calling each other
names for sure there is going to be
stuff that happens on the playground.
You want your kids to be resilient, but
if they do it in front of you, you got
to step in and be like, "Hey."
Especially when we get into like the
really gnarly words. Like if let's
draialize it for a second. If
um she called the kid see you next
Tuesday, I'd still be like damn like
that is a level of outrageous. We need
to all accept 5 years old or not. Like
you are now veering into like unhinged
territory.
How did we drift so far from it's very
easy to lay out like why is it now about
yeah she should be able to say it or if
Carmelo Anthony raised money because he
stabbed a kid then [ __ ] it like I'm glad
that somebody out here is saying the
n-word and is able to raise money around
it. Like that just seems bananas.
Yeah, this this this case is funny to me
because sometimes you just have to be
quiet and let people show you who they
are. Um, we had a conversation about
race a couple weeks ago on this chat and
a lot of people in the chat were telling
me how racism isn't like a thing like
like we don't need we shouldn't
highlight it. It shouldn't be talked
about and things should just evaporate.
And all the adults in the room like,
"Yeah, I grew up in my life. I had black
friends. We're not racist. Racism is
gone." And then we hear about a story
where a 5-year-old, six-year-old, if you
let Matt Walsh tell it, he's 37. Um, but
who, however old this kid is, what's
called the n-word. So, if this kid
ignored it, never talked about race,
lived in this race-free utopia that had
to that we all think we live in, he is
now reminded at 5 years old his place in
society from this specific person. That
doesn't make it true. This person
doesn't control his life. he is he
should have a hundred he has all the
resources and rights and things to live
a prosperous life but at 5 years old
he's now involved in this racially
charged issue whereas this woman is 37
however old she is and she's probably
going to be one of those people I'm not
racist I lived my whole life I had black
friends and d so it's one of those
things to me that it's like the fact
that this is a story the same way that
this Carmelo Anthony thing is a story
the fact that George Zimmerman was a
grown man following a 14-year-old and
killed him. That became a story. All
these stories are just showing us that
we might not be as healed as we think we
are. And there's countless examples of
people not talking about it, people not
being anything and then it gets on the
internet and GoFundMes are created and
hundreds of thousands of dollars are
generated. And to me, we talked about
movies earlier. They're not going to do
anything that doesn't get like where the
money goes. That's where the culture
goes. That's what's going to be more
profitable. That's what's going to
happen. Again, the fact that this person
did it and made this much money to me,
that is a virtue signal that okay, there
is support for people who still think
that it's okay to call a 5-year-old uh
child of color uh nword. And those
people are now going to be empowered,
whether it's empowered from their
keyboards in their basement, in their
incel life, or whether they're heads of
other people at managers and they can
fire and hire and do all these predatory
things that have other consequences.
there is now a community that supports
them that say that we see you and we
think that this is a thing and I just
sit back and laugh at it because I think
this is something that we all want to
talk about. We all want it to go away.
We all think we live in this post race
utopia and then something like this
happens and it reminds us nah we're
still in that same place. It's
interesting. So my take on it goes
something like this. I think that um
Morgan Freeman is right. If you stop
talking about it, it lessens over time.
It's not going to go away. Just like if
I mean, I don't know about you, but
being on the playground around a bunch
of other white kids, you immediately go
to, "Hey, big ears. Hey, fatso." Um, if
the I mean, gay just got thrown around
every which way but loose. And not just
gay. Yeah. Uh, so
no nwords though. Kids kids growing up
for me. No. But, uh, kids are going to,
people are going to pick the most
hurtful thing humanly possible. Mhm. So,
whatever that thing is, that's going to
be what they hurl at you. Uh, I don't
think we live in a post-racial society,
but I feel like it is moving in the
wrong [ __ ] direction because people
are
obsessively focused on it, talking about
it. Do you feel like it's going in the
right direction or the wrong direction?
I feel like we're in the same place we
were. So just static. This is ex nothing
has changed because we're not having
honest conversations about it. We keep
lying to ourselves in one direction or
the other. 2020 happened. That was the
first time a group of people said, "Hey
guys, it's kind of [ __ ] up how this
has been happening. We should talk about
it." And everybody changed her profile
picture of the black. Aunt Jamama got
fired. We sent out a bunch of nice
tweets and 5 years later we have a a
little 5-year-old getting called a slur
and they're the bad guy. He started,
he's five minutes into the video and he
told me that about the kid's father. He
told me about whether or not this kid
was autistic. He told me where this in
the uh the playground the guy was. And
he told me the background of the person
that filmed the video. He didn't say
anything about the person who actually
did the thing that we're talking about.
That's not an accident if you ask me.
Cuz if you say, "Hey, uh you just came
from the doctor. What happened?" I could
tell you. If you told me that the
secretary, the receptionist did this and
the Uber driver did this and the garbage
truck man on the way there did that. I'm
like, uh, so what happened with the doc?
You see what I'm saying? It's a little
bit selective of the details that he's
allowing us to have. Do you think it is
just baked into human DNA to be racist
or like when you say we're in the same
place, the same place is forever or the
same place as in recent memory? I think
that human nature doesn't change,
tactics do. I think that if we transport
to early England in the 400s, I do think
that there's a group of Englanders who
thought they were better than other
group of Englanders and they had
derogatory slurs to those lowerass
Englanders that they used to sling
around all the time. So by no mean
regardless of race, regardless of race.
So I think it's human nature to
hierarchy yourself above other people
and you think that you're better than
and all these other things. So I'm not
saying that there's ever going to be a
time in society where we're all equal.
It's going to be some utopia. AI or not,
abundance or not, tax the risks or not.
There's always going to be halves and
halves. And those people that have will
talk about the people that have not. The
have nots that become a halves are then
going to disrespect their have- knots
and try to assimilate. There's all these
things that are always going to be
there. However, it's just disingenuous
to me where we hear that we should stop
talking about race or if we just we
should do a meritocracy or we should do
all these other things. What was her
meritocracy for raising $500,000? The
only thing she did was use a racial
slur. already at 600 and climbing. And
this is just them virtue signaling that
yes, you can do that. That's cool. I got
your back. Don't let them tell you what
to do. I got you. That is a a sign of
support. And those same people that are
doing that were dunking on the family
that was supporting Carmelo who are
claiming self-defense at what happened.
If you think it's self-defense or not,
that doesn't matter to me. Argue with
yourself in the comments. But when
people rallied around Carmelo, that was
a problem. Let's take it back even more.
when George Zimmerman was following a
kid home and then that was self-defense.
That was cool. They rallied around
George Zimmer. I could keep giving you
names after names, decades after
decades, years after years. This thing
that is going away or not a big deal or
it was fine back then. It wasn't fine in
the '90s. Romney King got his ass beat
in the
'90s. But we just didn't have social
media, so we've seen it once. We reacted
for 3 weeks and then we moved on. where
now we're seeing it every 5 weeks in a
different state, in a different society,
in a different local. And people that
don't have to see it choose not to. And
people who do have to see it get
reminded. So even this little boy who's
5 years old who never did anything
probably racist in their life, they were
reminded that race relations exist at
five. Okay. So when
you look at modern life, I don't know
what other phrase to use. It's like we
had a blanket of don't talk about it
over a just bed covered in bed bugs. And
having a blanket over the bed bugs does
not mean there are no bed bugs. And now
social media is just like it's a
constant looking under the sheet and now
we see the bed bugs everywhere. But this
is status quo for bed bugs. Yeah.
They've been biting us this whole time.
I [ __ ] hate that take. It's probably
true, but I really I'm gonna give you a
book. It's called The Color of Law. And
it shows how it's going to be a bit This
is going to be a buzz word. They're
going to hate me for this.
Institutionally, there has been racist
practices that have been built in that
are fundamental at like, hm, let's shape
this neighborhood, but wait, how can we
make it good for us and bad for them?
And then the policies are then enacted.
Um, I don't think that that's still the
case now. I think that this is the
freest a person has ever been in society
ever. Comment. However, there's still a
bunch of Shiloh Hendrises out there, so
we're still going to be reminded of our
ugly past. Yeah.
H what a time to be alive. I love
America. But if you really believe that
this is the best time, it's like, okay,
this is a shitty thing for sure. But at
least
we're from an institutional perspective
moving in the right direction. The
question is, can you actually alter the
human heart or is there an algorithm
placed so deeply that says tribe us
versus them? And it's just so easy,
especially in moments of stress, to just
tribe up on what I see. The thing is
though, we're not trying to address the
root problem of it though. If somebody
was like, say the root problem in a
single sentence, racism is bad. Some
people don't believe that. Some people
don't believe racism itself is bad. No,
they think it's justified.
It's not bad because if okay, let's
let's start for an example, right? Let's
just go right at the heart of it, right?
Black people are the criminals, so they
deserve to be called criminals. They
supposed to be treated as secondass
citizens. Some people like, "Yep, look
at the statistics. They'll throw me
statistics. They'll throw jail stats at
me. They'll throw dad stats at me.
They'll throw all these stats at me."
And that will justify their actions. You
say, "Dad stats, single father
households." Got it. Got it. So there's
all these stats that will justify, see,
I am right. And they're kind of going
away. So it's the same thing like with
Israel Palestine. Everybody's going to
throw a bunch of stats at well they
moved here here and they did this and
they did this. So see we're right. It's
it's a string of logic that connects
that lets them know okay how I feel
about this person is justified. So if we
don't even know what the problem is we
can't even solve the problem. And when
somebody cries foul they get then say oh
you're just calling racism. Racism is
now uh uh what's that what's that word
that like it's a it's a light that
doesn't really matter. um like a it's
it's not a valid it's not a valid
criticism anymore as soon as you
introduce that word. So then the
conversation shifts. It's no longer
about the problem that we need to fix.
It's oh you use the racism word. Oh okay
you probably think everything is racist.
You probably think I'm and then they
start to go and and switch the argument
and kind of change the debate where if
we can do you think you can change the
human heart. So your your
hypothesis, let me ask, is your
hypothesis that everyone is racist? My
hypothesis is that human
nature dictates class in our hearts. We
think that there are people we're better
than and we think that people that we
are not better than. Yes. Okay. So I
think that everybody has that those uh
hierarchies in their in their heart
regardless of race, class, all that.
Some people it's if you're rich, you're
cool with me. If you're poor, don't
touch me. Some people if you're white,
you're cool with me. If you're if you're
black, don't touch me. There's for some
reason when I say tribe up, that doesn't
land for you. I mean, we can say tribe
up. That's fine. Okay. So, it does make
sense. Okay. Mhm. Do you think though
that ever goes away? The the tribe goes
away. Um I think the tribe can change
classifications. I totally agree. But
race is just a thing that we loop on
because I have an algorithm in my brain
that says us versus them. And that will
change depending on circumstance,
whatever. But I have an algorithm that
says I am constantly grouping the world
into safe, not safe, us versus them, in
versus out, all of that.
Uh would it then be impossible to
eradicate racism?
I don't think it's impossible, but
again, I think we need to actually have
the conversation about what constitutes
racism, what constitutes prejudice. Some
of the things that people call racism
are just prejudices. Some things that
people constitute racism are just
[ __ ] And then there are some things
that are legitimately racist. So, I
think that there's a scale and there's a
a there's a a range in all these things.
Do I think Matt Walsh is racist? No. Him
and Cand get along fine. He has plenty
of black friends. All those things. But
I think Matt Walsh doesn't care about
the betterment of those people as a
whole in society. I think he cares about
his people as a betterment of whole as a
society. That doesn't make him racist.
So I have a nuance take with it because
I know me arguing with somebody who
doesn't care about my skin, who doesn't
care about me because of my skin, you're
not worth my conversation. So I'm not
going to let you ruin my day. I'm not
going to let you dictate how I raise my
daughter. I'm not gonna make you ruin
how I spend my Friday nights. I'm not
gonna get enraged. I'm not taking the
bait. I'm not joining your race war. I'm
not marching for you. I'm sorry, bro.
Like I'm good. I'm going to live my
life. Uh, comma, however, I can still
call a spade a spade when I recognize
it. So, that's why this whole thing is
funny because they want to talk about
cancel culture. They want to talk about
it as all these other things. But this
is all this whole pride that is wrapped
around Shiloh Hendricks is rooted on
somebody getting called the nword. And
if this can make you that happy, you got
some other [ __ ] in your life you need to
work like work out. And that's between
you and God and whatever you do on the
weekends. So, very interesting. Uh I
agree with you that in the human heart
lurks the algorithm to group us them in
out uh etc
etc and so I don't know that you can
ever get rid of racism but I really feel
strongly that the way that people talk
about it will dial that up or down
and no one's going be able to crawl
inside my heart to see if the following
statement is true. But being raised in
the MLK like afterlow of like, hey, we
don't judge people by the color of their
skin, but by the content of their
character. Like that was just ringing in
your head like all the time. Uh, and so
listen, do I expect anybody to rank this
as bonafited days? No, I do not. But I
big brothered for a black kid for eight
and a half years. Like why does that
make you laugh? because I feel like
that's like a indicator that like I
believe what I just said. Um, but
that if I said um I raised a white kid
for a couple years so I can't be racist,
does that help my argument? Yes. Okay. I
I don't even understand the frame of
reference that because to me he was
inroup, not out group. Mhm. And so what
I'm saying is it I'm not saying that I'm
not capable of drawing that line. I I'm
drawing that line all the time. I'm just
saying that because of the way that I
was raised, my first inclination is not
that race makes in or out. Got it? That
um when you spend that much time with
somebody, they're such a fully realized
human in your mind that the in-group
outgroup thing
uh he was in group. So because of
that it races wasn't a big glowing orb
in my mind and living in LA for the last
30 years it's like I mean you're going
to be around Mexicans non-stop violence
and so again just didn't wasn't the
first thing that came to mind whether it
was in-group outgroup not that I don't
do in-group outgroup I'm sure I'm doing
it all the time. But I'm just saying
like that really felt textually
different like that the MLK afterlow. I
don't know what else to call
it. And given that that is so vi like
whenever you come up every uh theory is
autobiographical.
So the things that you live when you try
to describe them you're going to
describe the things that you've been
through. So for
me, just having it on repeat that you
don't judge people by the color of their
skin, you judge them by the content of
their character. It really does get
inside your head. And somewhere along
the way, that became p. And I remember
the first time I heard that people like
Booker T. Washington was looked at a
scance. I was like, what? Like I again I
don't understand. I don't know when that
became uh where his legacy, his way of
being was looked at funny. I don't know.
I haven't looked closely enough at it.
Um can I ask you a question on that?
Yeah. So, do you believe like in the MLK
afterlow to you it just was always it
wasn't a thing. Do you think that there
are experiences of people in America
that might have been different or
opposite? Sure. All I am I am I am not
saying that racism doesn't exist and I'm
sure as [ __ ] I am very sad to report
that I'm not surprised that there are
people that
love that they can wield that word like
a weapon against a child. That's so
crazy to me that that's out of pocket in
the extreme that he does 22 minutes
trying to explain why it's a good thing
that she's able to raise 600,000 and he
hopes she raises more. Like this is nuts
to
me. I look at you've heard me say this a
gazillion times. You're having a
biological experience. Okay, so I have a
biological algorithm running in my brain
that says there are people that are in
my group and there are people that are
out of my group. And I'm like, okay, I
need to be wary of
that. If I were going to say my argument
in a single sentence in the way that you
so eloquently did before, I would say
that you become what you
repeat. And if you repeat that people
should be judged by the content of their
character and not their skin, you
actually do that. Mhm. And if you repeat
that race is all that matters, then
that's what will be true. And so I'm
just saying when I picked my head up in
2020 and realized people were saying
race is all that matters. Everything
needs to be viewed through the lens of
race, I was like what the [ __ ] Like if
you start repeating that, that's all
people are going to [ __ ] see. And so
I'm just saying it was way it felt way
more
unifying, which is an expansive feeling,
not a contractive feeling. Like
everything about this is contractive. It
makes me feel like people are doing
this. I [ __ ] hate everything about
that. And when I think back to my mom
just beating in my head that MLK was a
hero, that people should never be judged
by what they look like on the outside,
that it's what's inside that matters.
And because she repeated that over and
over and over, the culture repeated that
over and over and over, I repeated that
over and over and over, it felt real.
And I can feel those bonds. Like I now
am hyper aware of like, oh, I'm
interacting with a world that's racial.
It just doesn't feel as good. Anyway,
again, not saying that race didn't
racism didn't exist this whole [ __ ]
time. Clearly, it did. I'm not saying
that uh the history of slavery does not
continue to echo today. It does. Uh, I'm
just I'm on Morgan Freeman's team with
repeating the idea that the lens through
which to view life is race is going to
make that the lens through which we see
everything. And I don't think that's
going to go anywhere good. Makes the
world smile. Like you said, it's a
contractive view. Yes. Good way to put
it. Word. I want to I'm not even going
to give this context chat. I want you
guys to kind of check it out and we'll
watch this together. But, um, Zuckerberg
is doing it again. um and introducing uh
personalized AI friends uh to compliment
your real ones. I think as the
personalization loop kicks in and the AI
just starts to get to know you better
and better um I think that will just be
really compelling.
Um you know one thing just from working
on social media for a long
time is um there's the stat that I
always think is crazy. the the average
American, I think, has I think it's
fewer than three friends, three people
that they'd consider friends. And and
the average person has demand for
meaningfully more. I think it's like 15
friends or something, right? I guess
there's probably some point where you're
like, "All right, I'm just too busy. I
can't deal with more people." But but
the average person wants more
connectivity connection than they have.
Um, so you know, there's a lot of
questions that people ask of stuff like,
okay, is this going to replace kind of
in-person connections or real life
connections? And my default is that the
answer to that is probably no. I think
it it it it you know I think that there
are all these things that are better
about kind of physical connections when
you can have them. But the reality is
that people just don't have the
connection and they feel more alone um a
lot of the time than they would like. So
I think that a lot of these things that
today there might be a little bit of a
stigma around
um I would guess that over
time we will find the vocabulary as a
society to be able to articulate why
that is valuable and why the people who
are doing these things are like why they
are rational for doing it and like and
how it is adding value for their for
their lives. But but also I think that
the field is very early. So, um I mean
it's like I I think you know there are a
handful of companies and stuff are doing
virtual therapist and you know there's
like virtual girlfriend type stuff but
it's um it's very early virtual
therapists virtual girlfriends I feel
like those are things that we kind of
seen on the first iteration of
this AI
friends like that seems like dead
internet theory times a thousand like
that that's warning us about that like
what's your take on AI social media
friends. Like I guess it's just going to
be people that comment on your stuff,
people that like people that you could
DM stuff to. Like that's um I think
it'll be a little bit different than
that. So I have just a completely
unhinged take on AI. So I understand I
actually have deep empathy for people
who think I'm out of my mind uh with AI
stuff. So because I don't have an
addictive
personality, none of this stuff scares
me for my usage. If I had kids though,
I'd probably be way more worried about
it. I think this is super powerful. I
think if people know how to put it in a
box, um it's going to be incredible in
that I've never had a creative partner
um more enjoyable to work with than AI.
So just from a I feel the way that I
want to feel in my life, uh it's really
been extraordinary. But just like I
believe that people need push back, you
need to be chased by a lion. You need
friction in your life. You need the
tension between right and left. Uh
marriage works partly because you have
somebody looking at you like you're out
of your mind for something and they make
their best case for why you shouldn't do
it that way and you have to compromise.
So I fully understand if the only people
in my life people in quotes were AI it
would derange very fast because uh
they're they're not able to hold that
tension. They tell me what I want to
hear. Uh but there are aspects of my
life where that's really wonderful if I
have the ability to
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um have good taste.
So when when Impact Theory first started
doing comics, I hired a writer's room
because I was like, I don't scale. I
have to run this company. Um, and so I'm
going to just accept that my life isn't
going to be about actually click
clacking on a keyboard. It's not going
to be directing movies. It's going to be
running the studio. And I was perfectly
fine with that. Brought in writers and
found the whole experience just
devastating. M I was so frustrated
because I found that I was constantly
having to
compromise on the story that I wanted to
tell. Now, partly that was the structure
of I had to be able to walk out of the
room and know that it was still being
written. So, if I were the lead writer,
then it might have been very different
and I could just tell people fall in
line, you know, go execute on this
thing. But one of the lessons you learn
as a CEO very quickly is if you want
people to actually do good work, you
don't turn them into a pair of hands. So
you create the space to get the best out
of them and then you let them create.
And so as a writer though, I found that
really maddening because they all the
things all of the stories were stories
that I had come up with and they were
losing the thing that made me fall in
love with the story as it became this
sort of um horse by committee. So look,
fully admitting that some of that was
the setup uh of the way that I was
running the room. Amazing things have
come out of writer rooms. I don't want
to deny that. But
um I found it a very frustrating
endeavor. And so working with AI, all of
that goes away. I've got somebody that I
know is a yes man. Cool. So knowing that
I can't count on them to check my bad
ideas, but I can count on them whenever
I get stuck to come up with ideas or to
see something that I'm missing. And oh
my god, has that been powerful. Mhm. Uh
so when I look at that and I think oh
this is going to get smarter. This is
going to be like a friend I hope in that
it can hold that tension that I can give
it its own personality its own wants
that um I can now create that dynamic
tension. Mhm. I think it could be
extraordinary. I think that AI will
understand things about us that we won't
understand about ourselves. Um,
and I don't know where the line will
ultimately be between do I need sort of
fallible humans? Is there something
lost? My default assumption is there is
something lost when you're not in the
messiness of just what humans are like.
Mhm.
But
admittedly, when I really stretch this
out over a long enough timeline,
um, called a hundred years. People live
inside virtual worlds. Period.
Period.
Full Ready Player One. We Ready Player
One is real world. Yeah. I pop into a
virtual world. I'm saying in a hundred
years, you live in a virtual world. So,
I don't even unplug anymore. Correct.
full matrix pods. Full matrix pods. It
will just be so much more interesting.
And then the question, I mean, the real
thing is how much of this becomes truly
virtual humans? I don't know, but
probably a lot because the endgame from
your perspective is that it's
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um we're going to end up becoming some
type of 50/50 collaborative organism
where you will pass through a 50/50
collaborative organism on your way to
something completely synthetic.
That's crazy. Some people will opt out
of it though, so it's going to
bifurcate.
You're going to have people living on
Mars. Uh you're going to have people
living under the oceans. You're going to
have people living in the forest that
like don't want anything to do with
technology. You're going to have people
that become completely digital.
I I I hear it. I see it. I feel like
there is there's certain things that
just can't be replaced. But at the same
time, we see it now. Like there's people
who are chronically online. There's
influencers. I remember my first job, I
was at a company and there was this
influencer, huge following. She didn't
know how how to have regular
conversations. Like I would talk to her
and she would be like, "Yeah." And like
like it was she gang gang gang gang. It
was like she she couldn't like sit in
the room have like a intimate
persontoperson conversation. It was
always kind of sort of like well you
know it I I'm not trying not to like
identify her by like trying to like
voice her or nothing but it's like she
it would always come back to like a hey
guys today we're going to like it's
almost like she was talking in third
person. That would be like the
equivalent. So we're we're seeing people
who are having their social skills
broken down. So I guess maybe over a
hundred years I can see it going to
zero. We're just completely I don't
know. But there's there grass in me is
like no we're going to have to unplug.
We're going to have to turn off the TV.
We're gonna have to eventually see the
sun. Like there's certain things that
just won't go away. But guess maybe it
will. Marriage is for old people and
poor people.
Okay. So let's get into that and why?
Because when you broke our parents, like
my mom's and all them, they they married
on a merit of like, okay, we going to
put our incomes together, have all these
kids, and then when our kids five 10
kids back in the 60s all five 10 kids,
so they can work and bring income. Yeah.
So you poor. So you married for that and
now when you get old, somebody got to be
by your side to take care of outside of
that. It's no advantage to a man. What
does it do for a man when things goes
south? Like we gonna have to give up
half our pay child support, pay it's
only a bad case to a woman. Like that's
real. But what if you meet a woman and
you're like, "Wow, she's a jam. She's
valuable. She's definitely I want to
lock her down in marriage. I want to
lock a woman down. It could be cool." So
you're telling me right now today?
Today, you on January 4th, you do not
want to be in a relationship ever again?
I don't think it's realistic. I want her
until I turn 70. I am done. I've never
been working. I'm 47 right now until I
turn 70. That's the only realistic part
I see is cuz we both old. We ain't out
in the streets. We at home watching TV.
You going to go take me to the hospital?
Take me to the hospital. That's it. This
is uh this is a level of sadness that is
hard to convey. Finding a significant
other that you can go through life with
is honestly, man, I'm not saying that
it's easy, but I am saying it is. It is
the greatest thing that life has to
offer you. There is quite literally
nothing better. And that people have
turned this into
um that it's for poor people and old
people. That [ __ ] makes me so sad.
He He's a divorce a with three kids in a
Hugh Hefner robe talking about never get
married till I'm 70. So I I think it's a
L take. I think it's I think this whole
battle on marriage and everybody needs
just be single and sexually liberated
and that's going to be the key to
happiness. It's going to just lead to a
bunch of people sad and lonely when they
get older. And I'm not saying that it's
like a women need to do it before
they're 30 cuz they're eggs. Like I'm
not just putting it on women. I think
men are going to be sad and lonely too.
We have a loneliness epidemic because of
that. Like this is not the way to have a
prosperous functioning society if not
having family. It's all pleasure shared
is a pleasure doubled. Yeah. I always
thought that quote was so simple and so
spot-on. And as somebody running the
experiment, what does it look like to
really share your life with somebody?
It's dope. Like it's compromise and it
can be difficult at times. There's no
doubt. It takes energy. It takes focus.
But the rewards that you get are
unbelievable. There is I mean speaking
of biological experience and there are
algorithms buried inside your brain.
There is something in us that aches to
be seen by another and to be able to
come together with that person and have
them better you and push you and to go
through life together. Oh man, it is
unbelievably rewarding. Uh but we're
going to get what we incentivize. And so
if we incentivize people getting paid to
say the nword, we're well, you're going
to hear a lot more, aren't you, Drew?
And if you incentivize people to um get
clout by being single or to run up a
huge tally of bodies, then that's what
people are going to do. But if you
incentivize, not demand, not mandate,
but if you incentivize
um people finding each other, sharing a
life together, you're going to get that.
So, going back to expansive feelings
versus contracting, it's so expansive to
find somebody that you love that loves
you back. It's worth the effort, man.
It's worth the effort, but you have to
like be a little cheesy. Like, you have
to allow yourself to go to that place to
be vulnerable, to um put yourself in a
position where you could be hurt. Now,
you've got to be able to read
people because look, there are bad
people in the world. I get it. But man,
the second you can build some confidence
that you can filter out the bad people
and you can find somebody that really
wants good things for you. It's dope.
And can you extend that yourself? Like
that's a a big question. If you can and
you can filter out, it's amazing. I
think you nailed it. I think it's a lack
of vulnerability. Like for some reason,
everybody wants to be tough and cool and
hard exterior, but that's just to me
it's a front. like you're letting go of
so many benefits in order to protect
your scared inner child. Like you have
to be vulnerable. That's the key to the
actual true human connection. And I feel
like we've seen this movie before. A
rich guy in his house by himself. Like
that money's not going to keep you warm.
When you get sick in the hospital, that
money ain't going to take care of you.
Like what are we? You know what I mean?
Like it's a Also, Drew getting married
just because she's hot.
Don't get me wrong, I have enjoyed every
day with my wife being attractive. It's
awesome. And when we were young, I
enjoyed all the things that Young uh has
to offer. But man, the thought of
trading her in for a new model is crazy
to me. It is not that I don't find the
uh young models attractive. They're
attractive. There is an algorithm in my
brain that squeezes hard when you see an
attractive woman in her mid20s, bro. Uh
that's always going to be
uh captivating,
but compared to sharing a life with
somebody, not so much. Yeah, it's the
little things, man. It's a little
things. All right, that's all I got. If
you guys aren't already joining us for
the lives, you should be. They are
Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday at 6:00
a.m. Pacific time. And here is a clip
from today's live. Yeah, this is this is
really this is very serious, Drew, in
terms of where this kind of thing could
end up. Um, I don't know how to
reconcile the Trump who wants to be seen
as a
peacemaker and the Trump who
is very aggressively
uh giving Iran no offramp.
Yeah, it it it doesn't seem like this is
going to reduce this this is not going
to reduce in scale anytime soon. Um, and
at this point, Netanyahu is just
starting another war. Uh it's it I to me
like terrorism just seems like
convenient like it's one of those things
that like you can point to it, you can
blame to it. You say they attacked us,
this is what happened. Now let's bomb
everything. But there there's no there's
no finite. There's no end. Like back in
the day, it was kind of like when
somebody shot somebody's friend, then
the other gang will shoot their other
friend and before you know it, it's a
gang war. And we always say that's
stupid. You shouldn't do it. You
shouldn't escalate. But when it comes to
like the country level, it seems like
those rules kind of change and now it's
allowed to be tit for tat and it's
allowed to be, you know. Well, who do
you think is reading it as this is okay?
Because you have the
exact side versus side take on this that
you would expect
with the nonsensical gang wars. Yeah.
You've got people saying this is the
very thing you can't do. You've got
people looking at Israel and saying this
is a genocide. You guys are the
perpetrators of genocide. You've got
people saying that um doing this kind of
escalatory retaliation is the exact
problem. And the reason that I think
that people are
so unable to look away from what's going
on with Israel,
Palestine as the flash point for all of
this is because both sides have a
legitimate reason to complain. And as
you try to go when when you find
yourself at that impass, you try to like
backtrack to be like, well, okay, sure,
they've both been
wronged, so who started it? Mhm. And you
try to backtrack it that
way. No matter how far back you go, it's
always going to be tit for tat. Yeah.
meaning it is going to be impossible to
find the actual moment where all of this
started. You've got
religious
clashes that make this impossible to
tease apart from a what's the morality
of the situation? How ought we
behave? And so that quagmire really does
come down to what is somebody's value
system. And so you can learn a lot about
how somebody parses the world by how
they view what's going on in Israel
Palestine. But I think we have to set
that aside for a second
and look at the way that Trump is
responding to this because when I read
that tweet, I was
like, I don't even know that I
disagree with
him in terms of uh I'm certainly not a
scholar on this stuff. So, it's entirely
possible that as I dig closer, I may
find myself saying,
um, we're being just spun on Iran and
Iran is not at all what we think they
are. But at my current analysis of the
situation, you have Iran doing the same
thing that Israel does, the same thing
that America does, which is fight wars
by
proxy. Iran has a proxy battle going
with Israel. Now, is Iran a proxy for
China? There's also that question. This
gets dude, this gets nested so fast.
Yeah. But setting that aside for a
second, just taking one level of
analysis for a minute. Um,
you've got Iran fighting these proxy
battles, using these terrorist
groups, pulling that into the light and
saying, "I, as the president of the
United States, I'm just going to call
[ __ ] Mhm. You guys know exactly
what you're doing. I don't buy any of
the argumentation. Oh, guys, so sorry.
Yeah, look, there was a time where they
dance to our tune. But that's not true
anymore and these guys have gotten away
from us and Trump just saying this this
is total [ __ ]
This is
um I've talked many times about my
approach to Hollywood and I told myself
when I was first coming into the more
traditional Hollywood system that I was
going to Hollywood was so known for
being [ __ ] artists that I was going
to make my reputation on just telling
people exactly what I believe to be true
in the moment. And so I would pull into
the light, hey, you keep saying that,
but I don't think that's true. I think
this is true. Just tell me what I' I've
just said it. We're We're pulling it.
You just made a weird face. Like, say
the thing. What? Why? Why are you doing
that?
And I like
that, but it didn't
work. And so there is a question of
what's the diplomatic play? How do you
leave I is it wise to leave them enough
wiggle room such that you don't back
them into a
position where now you get into this
escalatory drama. All right everybody,
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