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Tulsi Gabbert has said she has
treasonous evidence against Obama.
>> Evidence of treason, not treasonous
evidence.
>> Semantics, Tom.
>> Did they actually do the things that
Donald Trump said that they did? If they
did, obviously, you have to put an end
to that because you don't want
politicians battling back and forth. If
you put Obama in prison, you up the odds
of an American civil war by an ungodly
percentage. So, we have to find a way to
diffuse the situation. We have to find a
way to both stop the corruption, not put
ourselves in a position where we're
constantly jailing our opponents. I have
no idea if this is fake or not. The
reason that I think people need to pay
attention to this story is this is the
breakdown of the thing that made
American democracy so powerful, which is
the transition of power nonviolently,
just like, hey, my time is up and you
know, we're handing it off. And
obviously that has been breaking down
for a very long time. What I'm hearing
coming out of the Trump administration
is the exact opposite. Like they're
talking about finding ways around the
statute of limitations. So make this
about Trump if you want. If you find out
that Trump did something illegal, okay,
you've got to find a way to call that
into the daylight. Make sure everybody
sees it. Absolutely obliterate his
legacy. However, trying to put him in
jail is going to come back to bite you
in the ass. And this is exactly what
we're seeing now. People have some sense
that it can't happen in America or
whatever. It will. I mean, think of it
like gang violence. Like, you killed my
brother, so I'm going to kill your
brother. Think about it as the Jews and
Palestine. No one's going to agree on
who started this. And so, you just
getting this eternal back and forth.
This is what you're going to see happen.
And the only thing that pulls people out
of these spirals is massive prosperity
or enough pain that people just go, I
can't take it anymore.
>> When Trump was in office, he was
shouting, "Lock her up. Lock her up." to
Hillary Clinton. Yeah.
>> He got out. Biden was president. Then
when he tried to run again, they sued
him 75 times. Lawfare is on the table.
It has been on the table against Trump.
If Trump does it, it won't be
unprecedented. It won't be the first
time.
>> No, but that's the problem. I don't
think that what I'm saying is actually
going to happen. So, let's be very clear
about that. We do have to find like an
actual beautiful deleveraging kind of
thing where it's like, okay, this is
actually real, but what's the real
answer? I think the real answer is
you're going to need to look for
something like the statute of
limitations. You're going to pull all
this evidence out. You're gonna, if it's
real, you're going to show, okay, this
was obviously an attempted coup. You
were trying to destroy Trump's
presidency, and the only reason that
we're not going to lock you up is
because of the statute of limitations.
Something like that, where you pull the
emergency break before you go all the
way to that thing. This is exactly what
we did with Nixon. We made sure that he
got a pardon. It's not good for the
country to be looking back at this and
to attack a president like it happened.
We're moving on. He's resigned. He's out
of the picture. We have to get to that
state. If we can't expect riding off
into the sunset from Obama, if he did
this, if we can't expect that from
Trump, if he's done something, you're
going to have to do it at the level of
reputation. But the fact that they went
so hard after Trump is the reason that
he's going so hard after them now. So he
called to lock up Hillary, but when he
got into office, he didn't pursue it at
all. While still an ugly moment in our
history, that's better than where we're
at now. And listen, I could not be more
open if people have a better idea. But
you do not want to be in the business of
locking up your political opponents. You
just don't. Multiple people are saying
this is a distraction from the Epstein
files,
>> never getting them files, never
dropping.
>> Which I find it funny too that the chat
is going back to that. Like that is so
deeprooted and everyone wants to find
it. Look, Drew is unfortunately probably
right that we're never going to get the
Epstein files. The only thing that I can
make make sense. Very powerful, very
connected people on both sides of the
aisle are going to get drugged into
this. Nobody wants to see it hit
daylight that's involved in this. And
given that it goes to both sides of the
aisle, that's exactly why nobody did
anything during Biden. Probably nobody's
going to do anything meaningful during
Trump. And so we at least get to watch
the political machinery at work and we
can all say, "Wow, this is actually how
they do it." It's pretty wild. This is a
pretty relevant thing. If Obama and his
administration were actually trying to
undermine the Trump presidency, that is
a problem. If Trump starts trying to
arrest former administrations, like that
is also a problem. This is not a thing
to ignore. Even though it is also
decidedly convenient. It was always
inevitable that we were going to move
away from the Epstein thing no matter
what happened. You'll get some fringe
people that will do like an Epstein
clock or whatever, but just like the
single most consequential thing that I
could talk about every time we go live
is debt and money printing. Literally,
it it will always be the single most
important thing that that I bring up.
But if I do that all the time, there
will be nine people in chat. Then you're
just back to realizing you have to
entertain people. These are the physics
of being human. Everybody think
>> she said, "Will Maxwell talk?" Cuz you
know, Galen Maxwell is
>> Oh, this is interesting cuz look, she's
in jail for 20 years. She will drop a
plenty of time. Anybody
>> if they give her an opportunity, there's
enough thread there that we still might
get something that moves forward. But I
think that Drew is right that this is
going to be carefully managed no matter
what happens. I think if Golain Maxwell
comes out and names a bunch of people
nobody's ever heard of. People are just
going to be like, "Well, this was
carefully managed." And obviously Trump
backdoor to her like, "Keep my name out
of it and we'll get you out of prison
and then she's going to keep his name
out of it and get out of prison." That
will be how this is interpreted.
>> What actually happens?
>> Epstein was only with Clinton's and
Biden administration. Everybody there
was there and then she gets out of jail
and gets a part of she's smart. It would
be more like both sides get together,
they decide who are going to be the
sacrificial lambs and then both sides
sign off on who we're going to burn to
the ground. And so it's not going to be
Bill Gates, it's not going to be Trump,
it's not going to be Clinton, it's going
to be some guys you don't know. If you
approach this as a writer, 100%. That's
exactly the structure that you would
give this just when Alex Jones thinks
he's actually going to get the real
demons behind the scenes. No, you get
these low-level guys and then the final
scene of the movie is you cut to a shot
of like Trump or whoever. In fact, you
cut to a shot of Trump and Hillary both
putting on their goats heads. I mean, a
thousand%. Like that's the
>> You're ready for the TV directed? your
your director meeting now. I see you
cooking up now. All right.
>> So, but that that is certainly going to
be the picture that people paint. I
would just not be surprised also if
there's some level of truth to like when
you got people on both sides.
>> I have to highlight this in chat cuz I
think this is hilarious. Contradicting
each other as they're both yelling at
me. I I love our chat. We have the best
chat in the world. Hillary sat through
multiple hearings. She did 12 hours in
the sentence. Nothing about these two
situations is the same. Put that over
here. On the other side said, again,
Drew is being less than honest. Trump
adopted the saying, "Lock her up, but he
never took action." Half of the world
thinks that Hillary, we said lock her
up, but we never actually did anything.
And then the other half is like, "No,
she's had three Senate hearings. She had
to answer to these things." This is what
I'm most worried about with this Obama
thing now. Is because to your point, we
should take the George Washington
approach. We should just say, "Hey guys,
this is dumb. For the betterment of our
democracy, let's look forward and not
look back." But right now in this
moment, Obama's going to end up being in
front of a Senate hearing. I just don't
think it's going to get anywhere. I
think it's just
>> that would honestly be the the best case
scenario. If there really is nothing
there, then that will expose the Trump
administration. I mean, look, it'll give
red meat to their base because they're
going to believe whatever they're going
to believe. But at least somebody who's
willing to make up their own mind will
be able to see all of this stuff
presented, be able to hear directly from
that person and give them a chance to
say, "This is exactly what happened." So
that the public has more information. I
think that's a good thing. But I do not
want to see anybody getting arrested.
Not Obama, Clinton. Like this is where
you really get into the gang war.
>> Can that be manipulated, though? I'm
just looking at it from an incentive
perspective. You are found doing
something potentially treasonous. Let's
say Obama is the bad guy. Caught
red-handed sending the email. Let's make
up some Russia stuff to get Trump out.
What should the consequence be?
>> Here is the thing that's never going to
happen, but really should happen.
Whoever is in office, it happens to be
Trump right now. He is constitutionally
incapable of doing what I'm about to
say. I completely understand that. But
this is what he should do. What he
should do is go, "This all has to come
out. We have got to see exactly what's
going on." He pulls it into the daylight
and we see what we see. Now, let's say
it's worst case scenario. And it's like
everybody's looking at it going, "This
is damning." Even people that are the
most um hardcore supporters of Obama are
like, "These are tough." and they're Iwa
Iwa Iwaing trying to like explain it
away. Everyone's like, "Oh, damn." Like,
I really think he did some dodgy stuff.
And then as the leader of the free
world, you say, "I am the president of
all Americans." We are in a populist
moment. This we are so tribal right now.
We cannot think like that. So he he
cannot have his legacy.
>> Everybody sees who he is now. Mhm.
>> Everybody sees he was the one that gave
up on democracy, but I don't. I believe
in democracy. And I believe the people
that voted for him, that wanted to see
him in power, I even believe the people
that didn't believe in me. They just
want something great for their kids,
they want something great for this
nation. And that's what I'm going to
deliver. And my job is, even when people
hate me, even when people want to see me
dead, that the very thing you've elected
me to do is to see through that, to
think about how we actually make this
nation better, more prosperous for
people. How we return to being a beacon
on the hill. I'm now channeling the
person I wish were Trump. This is what
Jesus taught me to do. And this isn't
about Trump. This isn't Trump's America.
This is your America. And we we have to
let that go. We have to look at it. We
have to be willing to say we can't
tolerate that. We have to be willing to
say that's not American. And at the same
time, we have to say we're looking
forward. All we care about is making
this a better place to be. We've
eviscerated the middle class. This is
how it happened. We're going to build
this back. We want to make this a
wonderful place. And then you just you
get back to executing against policy.
Dude, if he did that, you're never going
to win everybody over. But I think
people would really cheer for it. If he
doesn't at a minimum
find out what's true, his base will turn
on him. If he goes through all of this
to be punitive, then the left is going
to riot at some point. You just have to
be in the land of reality and say humans
are prone to do things out of spite far
more rapidly than they're prone to do
something because they actually care
about the country and they want to see
this move forward. But you are in the
greatest position of all time when you
have been grievously wronged and you
don't clap back. But at the same time,
if your whole thing is just I want to
see this [ __ ] locked up like that
energy is so toxic. That's all I see
right now coming out of the
administration is that toxic, horrifying
energy. So, I get it. I'm asking for
something that is just really
unrealistic, especially in a populist
moment. But nonetheless, that's what
would work.
>> It's important to see the of it all, how
things ought to be.
>> I didn't even go to that's what should
happen because it would be more
effective. But this is what I'm saying.
Know what your goal is. I can articulate
my goal. I can tell people exactly what
it is because I know what my goal is. I
know what to do with the next 15 minutes
of my life to move me towards that. It's
only when people don't know what their
goal is that they become very confused
about what I should do right now. PSA,
most people are operating under what I
call invisible goals. They are
emotion-based. It's like, I want to
punish this guy. The people that came
after me, I'm going to [ __ ] get them.
And I can only imagine in that photo
when he's holding his mug shot and he's
got that look on his face that he was
thinking, I'm going to get you all back.
>> Chad has beef with this. Uh, there
should be consequences for accusing
someone of treason and not being
truthful. Without actual consequences,
there is no incentive for political
actors not to commit crimes, to
undermine their opponents when they
believe they'll lose otherwise. Here's
the really bad part. They are correct.
Now, our job as the sensible people in
America is to figure out what is that
thing because putting them in jail is
the most obvious option. Now, just play
that out. What happens to the people who
will believe this was all fake? They
have arrested this man unjustly. Or if
you think that the accusations of
treason are unjust, they're going to be
people who are like, "Uh, you're out of
your mind." That's all true. They've got
the receipts. Everyone is delusional if
they don't see that there are people on
both sides who believe it to the core of
their existence. It's emotionbased, but
they nonetheless believe it. If you
think we lock up Obama, everything goes
back to normal and finally life is fine.
Okay. If you believe we lock up Tulsi,
we lock up Trump, everything's going to
be fine. Goes back to normal finally.
Okay. Well, that's what you believe. I
think you're out of your mind. And I
don't think you have any historical
precedent to point to and say this is
what happens. What ends up happening is
the other side, the side that does the
locking up, loses so much legitimacy
because it is seen as an act of
political violence.