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Trump meets Putin in Alaska, flies a B2
bomber over his head. Trump and Zalinsky
meet with European leaders in the White
House, and Zalinsky wore a suit. Marine
Le Pen is coming in hot on radical
Islamists. Black conservatives collide
with a black radical on Jubilee. French
streamer dies in his sleep after
physical abuse during a marathon stream.
Mr. Beast raises $12 million for charity
and gets called evil. man's wife stops
having sex with him, so he stops doing
anything nice for her. You guys are not
going to want to miss today. Buckle up.
Let's get to it.
>> Let's jump right into it because I
really want to talk about um Ukraine,
Russia. So, there's been a lot of things
happening. Trump brought Zillinski and
the European leaders in most recently.
But last week, Putin came in from
Alaska. Um I thought that was funny. We
talked about that yesterday.
>> You said you thought he threatened him.
>> Okay, Putin. Trump is flexing on Putin.
>> Yes.
>> As soon as you walk out the plane, I fly
over you with a whole bunch of bombers
on land that was yours that I got for a
discount because you were broke. So, I
feel like I like he was slapping him in
the face, but you had a different take.
>> Here's the thing. Uh I didn't see it as
a threat. That's for sure. However, I do
think if you listen to what Scott Besson
said about this, Scott Besson was like,
"Oh, he was trying to flex on him. he
was trying to remind him like, "Hey,
we've got all these toys." So, it's your
read isn't crazy. I think the overall
way that people are looking at this, if
people think that Putin is going to be
intimidated by that, they're out of
their minds. It's like if um you're
walking into my house and I have an
arsenal with bazookas, AK-47s, Glocks,
like literally gun on gun on gun, and
then you walk in and show me uh that
you've got a really nice sword
collection. Now I know you also have a
whole bunch of guns, but you're trying
to flex on me with a sword. It's like
what? Dude, these we have mutually
assured global destruction aimed at each
other with dead hand triggers.
>> Like if they announce yours bombs,
mine's going off detonation. Look,
>> if you're going to do that flex on
Paraguay, okay, but doing it on Russ,
this is all political theater from top
to bottom. If Trump had said, "Listen,
there's this we're going to lift all the
sanctions off of Russia. They're having
a really hard time right now. Like,
we're we're this is an economic game. We
want to get these guys back into a good
position. I can see how we're going to
end this thing. It's going to be
fantastic." I'd be like, "Interesting."
If Putin is signaling that economically,
like, "Look, I'm really tired of this.
This is becoming a problem. I see an
off-ramp." I would buy that maybe we
were making progress. But when you start
talking, the thing that's getting
Zillinsky excited and bringing him to
the table is that we're going to have
some kind of article 5 like guarantee.
Now, for people that don't know what
article 5 is, admittedly it's very
broad, but it says we'll we will if
somebody attacks one of the members that
has this protection, we will respond as
we deem fit. We could come in and like
[ __ ] drop troops on the ground and
now this is really on. We could drop
nuclear weapons, whatever we or we could
send a strongly worded letter to the
manager,
>> like all of the above.
>> It is the toothiest part of the reason
to be in NATO. That's why you want to be
a NATO. It's like my brothers are going
to come and whoop your ass if you do
anything untoward, and that's why I want
to be a part of NATO. And so they're
saying, okay, look, we're never going to
let them into NATO, but we're still
going to roll up as the brothers and
like kick the [ __ ] out of anybody that
messes with them. that is the thing that
he has a problem with he Putin he does
not have a problem with nat as letters.
So it's like if if it is NATO in
practice but just not in name he is
still going to be like no. And so given
that uh Putin's like cabinet I don't
remember who the exact people are but
there are people that are out there
saying yeah we're never going to agree
to this. Putin is completely silent.
Only Trump and Zalinsky are like yay
we're getting closer. Dude keeps saying
that. So, uh, I think that Trump really
wants it to be true. I am very glad that
Trump legitimately seems to be pursuing
peace. Uh, I don't know if it'll come up
later, but I love that Trump believes
that this is his way to get into heaven.
This is why religion is so useful. Uh,
people will stop bad behavior and do
good things because they believe that
there is an all-seeing eye in the sky
that will punish you for all of eternity
if you do the wrong thing. So, I've got
no beef. If Trump is trying to end this
war simply as a way to get into heaven,
yay, I'm here for it. The bad news is I
don't think Putin is interested in
ending the war as a way to get into
heaven. So he I I don't understand real
politique people. Real politique. Putin
is going to keep pushing until he
reaches sufficient force that will push
back. He's not going to go, "Oh yeah,
I'm going to back out of my territorial
ambitions, my desire to create this
buffer zone of NATO because you guys are
going to give him NATO protections
without the name NATO on it." Th I'm not
sure how people are mapping this. Th
This is uh people want it to be true. I
want it to be true.
>> Rough numbers. We've lost over a million
human souls. Brutal dead though. Like
shouldn't that impact the leader of the
country? a lot of young person you have
to impact is Putin.
>> So when you look at Russia's history and
this is where people need to understand
culture matters a lot.
Russia will cram as many people as they
need to into the m of death and
destruction to make sure that they
protect mother Russia. Period. And
they've done it over and over and over.
It is a thing for them. And that's where
we're at. Like, yeah, they're losing
people. They are prepared to lose a lot
more. So says history. And if you don't
make this good for them in some way, I
don't see why they would ever agree to
this. So what would Putin want to do to
get his way? He wants to forestall as
long as humanly possible deeper
intervention on behalf of the US and
Europe. So, what are you going to have
to do? You're going to have to um show
up to the meetings. You're going to have
to be friendly. You're going to have to
like uh hint towards positive things.
You're going to have to lay the flowers
on the soldiers that died when America
and Russia were allies. Somebody just
explained to me what does he get out of
this?
>> And if people think that like, oh my
god, they're just so broken. Look at how
much oil India is now buying from
Russia. Like gobs and gobs of gobs. It
went from like 1% to like 42%. And
India's arbitrageing it. They're just
reselling it on the market and they've
made some untold number of billions of
dollars just doing that arbitrage. So
Russia's like, "Yeah,
>> much like Nick Fuentes, we have found a
way to make money despite all of your
sanctions." Once the
>> Russia is the Nick Fuentes of the world,
>> they they they are the super bacteria
that if you don't kill all the way like
they they will only get stronger. they
become resistant. Russia is now sanction
resistant. And so maybe if you had done
all these sanctions right out of the
gate, you could have stopped them. But
peacemealing it. And I've heard Trump
like making noises to that effect. It's
like or maybe it was Besset, but one of
them was like, yeah, it takes a while
for sanction. Oh, in fact, it was Marco
Rubio. What am I saying? That it takes a
while for sanctions to like really have
bite.
>> And so like I don't know that we're
going to get anywhere with that. So,
that probably explains this clip that
Charlie Kirk retweeted that talked about
that um Putin said that if Trump were
president in 2022, there would have
never been a war. I'd like to remind you
that in 2022
during the last contact with a previous
administration, I tried to convince my
previous American colleague
that it should not the situation should
not be
brought to the point of no return when
it would come to hostilities and I said
it quite directly back then that it's a
big mistake.
today when President Trump saying that
if he was the president back then there
will be no war and I'm quite sure that
it would indeed be so. I can confirm
that.
>> So are you just saying he's just doing
this as Trump Trump's ego? He's just
trying to buy time.
>> Man, that is a really good question
because there's no way that he's unaware
that that is like the thing that he
could say to Trump that would be I mean
this is like tickling his G-spot. Like
this is wild. This is exactly what he
>> scribbling this in a notebook later like
Putin said.
>> Uh yeah. So I that feels like a give.
That feels like him mapping Trump
relatively well of like okay I know what
this guy wants to hear. You caught Trump
on a hot mic. I don't think it was a big
deal because this is exactly the kind of
thing that he would say on knowing that
he's being recorded to the world. But he
was like, um,
uh, he wants to do it for me. Like he
wants to end the war for me. Like that
admittedly, yeah, right. That admittedly
is a pretty wild thing to say. Like he
wants to stop killing people for me. No.
Like if he's not encountering if he
thinks that you are, you represent uh
the sufficient force that's going to
stop him. Okay. Like I guess you could
say that's for you. But it's really just
about I'm not going to get what I want
by pushing into this. this is going to
make things worse for me, so I'm going
to back off. He's not going to do it for
him. That's absurd. So, it just becomes
a question of what's the like leverage
that I'm going to get. And so, if he's
buttering Trump up, great, smart tactic,
exactly what I would advise anybody to
do. I mean, this is 48 laws of power
stuff. Uh so my guess is that's all this
that uh the official words coming out of
the Kremlin are like well this is going
to take time and we're going to have to
like slowly figure this out and but you
know we do want to see if over time
slowly slowly like we can find a path to
be it's like oh my god so a lot of word
salad stuff a lot of buy time stuff
which is again in keeping with if you
remove all the emotion and you don't
listen to what people do but instead you
just look for the pattern the pattern in
all of this is say the right thing, buy
time, keep bombing.
>> Say the right thing, buy time, keep
bombing.
>> That's
>> that's their pattern.
>> So, there's a couple people in chat that
are saying that you're misrepresenting
the planes. Um, and it was a salute
which has been done throughout history.
Any thoughts on that?
>> Hold on. Do a search for Bessant who
literally a member of the cabinet saying
this was a flex. He was trying like
Besson's words were almost all the way
to uh Drew's position of this was a
threat. Now he was saying it like a
little bit tongue and cheek, but if you
type in uh I've got to imagine Bessant
uh fly over something like that that
you'll get this. So anyway, I love you
guys, but don't be ridiculous.
>> Here it is.
>> I want to set the record straight on
what went on in Alaska. Alaska was a
show of force by President Trump. He
invited President Putin to land that the
Russians used to own. He displayed a
huge amount of military hardware and
then did a flyover. It It was kind of
like inviting your uncontrollable
neighbor uh to your house and showing
him your gun case. So then
>> the bad news is your neighbor has an
equally large gun case. Uh but yeah,
look, this was a flex for sure. This was
a show of force. I don't think it goes
all the way to threat. I don't think
Trump is that dumb, but uh it is
certainly he's he's trying to flex on
you, man. That's just all there is to
it.
>> Okay. Over and under. The war ends
before the end of the year. Like next 6
months.
>> No way.
>> 0%.
>> Nope. Zero.
>> Got it. Um well, we'll see. We shall
see. All right. Let's jump over to
France.
>> Oh, let's talk about this.
>> Mar was talking about this.
>> Spicy. Uh I got the perfect moment.
Okay, this is Marie Le Pen. For people
that don't know, uh she is the uh leader
currently of the farright party in
France. I'm telling you, this is a sign
of things to come. I do not know what
people were thinking when they threw the
borders open. Man, uh all right, we're
going to talk about values, but uh we're
going to read for you just in case
you're not in front of your phone
because she's going to be speaking in
French. Uh we will translate but this
get ready.
Um boom
radical moss will be shut down. Hate
preachers expelled.
The associations fused with
southism and the Muslim Brotherhood will
be dissolved
with me.
>> She wants to be elected president.
>> Be sure that the rights of women today
challenged by the Islamist obscuritism
will be granted to all. the women of
France.
[Applause]
>> With me, the security
will not go against liberty.
In any case, not against the liberty of
honest people. Uh at the beginning of
the speech, she also talks about
stripping French citizenship from
Islamists. Now, she uses the word
Islamist. So, I'll choose to believe
that she means extremist. M uh so
stripping their uh French citizenship,
expelling them from the country and
punishing even people of French
nationality if they have she doesn't say
aid the enemy but like that's the vibe.
>> Uh I forget the exact word she used.
Forgive me because I'm she did not say
that that exact phrase.
So, um,
she is supposedly, if the polls can be
believed, she has 42%,
uh, over people. I I believe it's voter
intention over McCron's party. Uh, but
the election doesn't happen until 2027.
She is she has been convicted already of
she's appealing a crime.
>> Oh, that was that I remember that story.
>> Yeah. of embezzlement. And so, uh, she's
appealing it, but if she loses that,
then she will be unable to run for
office, which she herself has said would
be political death. And, um, obviously
she's saying that this is a political
attack, that it isn't she wasn't the
courts admit she wasn't personally,
um, enriched by the supposed
embezzlement. So, which is usually I
think in the US like you have to show
that the person was personally enriched
for it to be a crime. I think I think
someone would have to fact check me on
that one and I don't feel confident in
that. But anyway, the court system
admitted that she wasn't personally
enriched by it. She denies that there
was any wrongdoing whatsoever. She's
fighting it. Uh and so we'll see. But
the thing to focus on here is this is
also what you're seeing play out in the
UK. And I I am literally shocked that
people did not realize people will fight
and die for their values. Values are the
thing that people fight and die for.
>> And if you thought you could import a
ton of people that have different values
and that
>> the people holding the opposing views
won't eventually clap back just as hard,
like you you put yourself in a position
where you have two sides that will kill
and die for their values. Israel,
Palestine. It's the same situation. So,
you're now playing it out in Europe and
people are going to fight back. So,
we'll see. We'll see how far it goes,
man. But, uh, you do this at your own
peril. And this is why I'm saying you
you can only bring people into your
country at the rate that they will
assimilate to the value system.
>> But again, is this a just a populism
thing? We need a bad guy. The Muslims
are on the rise. They're the bad guy.
Let's get mad at them. And
>> doing this at a populist moment is how
you magnify the effect 100fold. But it
isn't just that. People will fight for
their values. It it becomes a quantity
thing.
>> What do you mean by the first thing you
said? Doing this at a pipelist moment
makes it 100fold.
>> So you're going to pour accelerant on
the fire by introducing people with
different values at a time where
resentment is already through the roof
and people whatever 20 million people
think that Mr. Beast is evil. uh it in a
moment that unhinged emotionally if you
then import a bunch of people that are
anathema to your values, they're going
to go after them. So, in a way that they
would be far less fast to go after them
because in a time where everything is
going good economically, people are
having a good time, uh people just
aren't going to react as hard and fast
because like life is good. So, it's like
you're going out of your way to find a
problem. And that would be the push back
that everybody would give you is like,
bro, why are you obsessed about
Islamists? Like they're like 2% of the
country, bro. Like this chill. And then
you go, "Yeah, but if you follow this
out, they're going to be 10% and then
they're going to be 15% and this is
exactly how things go ary. They get
political power. They start making
demands. Uh, and this is all bad. PS,
this is exactly how the Jews got Israel.
So if you got beef with the Jews, then
uh I don't understand how people don't
recognize that this would be the same
inflammatory problem uh in importing
them into Europe. Like and this one I
look at as an anthropologist. And I'm
just like this plays out in a very
knowable fashion, boys and girls. So, in
one fashion, I've heard you talk in the
past about like um we talk about
corporate greed, tax rate greed, and
you're like, you can't get mad that
capitalism is the game and people know
the game better than other people. Is
this similar in the fact that like the
Muslims wouldn't have their free
immigration? They wouldn't have a
stronghold in certain communities of the
US if those communities weren't dying
barren outside. Everybody talks about
Dearbornne, Michigan. Everybody's like,
"There's a whole Muslim population. We
should have stopped that." Dearborn,
Michigan used to be where the Ford
factory was. So the Ford factory was
still there if we didn't ship it out.
There still would have been blue collar
jobs there. Americans still would have
been still there still would have been a
diner. They would still would had 1950s
there. They still would have been
playing country music. But they they
decimated the town. Everybody left. The
Muslims came in for cheap. So we can't
get mad that the you know what I mean?
Like is there a
>> So I really do love the way you
encapsulate some things. Uh that's
brilliant. I love everything about that.
Uh you are saying very very true words.
The catch is
>> uh that there's a way to do immigration
well and there's a way to do immigration
poorly and uh Europe did immigration so
poorly
>> that we at least have the lead to go
okay hold on a second
>> based off of that experiment we can
>> like you you can't do it devoid of
checking for value system and you can't
do it devoid of speed. So, um, if your
English and you have, and I use that
word very intentionally because my wife,
who is a British citizen is not English,
and I remember the first time I called
her English. She was legitimately like
bothered by it. She's like, I'm not
English. And I was like, what the [ __ ]
Like, you're from England. She's like,
yes, but I'm Greek. And I was like, what
what kind of weird ass distinction are
we making? So, it would be like if I
said to you, you're American. You're
like, whoa, [ __ ] I'm Haitian.
It's like, yeah, I live here though. I
pay taxes.
>> And that's how I felt about my wife. And
so, but I was like, oh, I get it. Like,
England is a thing. Being English is an
identity. And unlike America that's 250
years old, England is thousands of years
old. London itself is like over a
thousand years old. It's crazy.
>> So, these are civilizations that have
been around for a very long time. So
there really is like a distilled
difference between being English and
being French. So if you're a white
English person, that's very different
than being a white French person, they
feel some kind of way when like if you
say to a uh like if you have a French
person in England and you said you're
English, some percentage of them are
going to take be like, "No, I'm not. I'm
British. I'm not English."
>> So I was like, "Okay, but here's why."
like the Greek communities did not
create as much because I'm sure if you
imported too many of them you'd have a
similar problem. But the reason that the
Greeks were able to assimilate in a way
that Islam is for sure going to struggle
and possibly Muslims is that it's
they're not the same religion. And so if
you get secular people from the Middle
East, I don't think it's going to matter
at all. Like if they come to England,
they're like, "Hey word, man. I'm here
for finance, bro. Like this is dope. Uh
I'm British. I love it the most. England
is my home. Couldn't be any happier. I'm
secular. No beef. But when you've got
people coming in, ah, we've got we've
got the criate Greek girl. Uh, just off
camera. And so that's where this gets
problematic. The Greek are Christian. So
it's like you get Christian on top of
Christian. Nobody's got beef. They've
got different churches, but churches and
everybody sort of gets it. Even the
clergy like follow similar rankings and
all that. So it's like, yeah, not a lot
of friction there. But you start getting
into now a totally different religion,
you're going to have problems. So again,
I think it's wise of people because I
think it lowers a lot in predictive
validity if if you just look at Muslims
because if Muslims come in and they're
like, "No, we're cool. We don't want
Sharia law either. We also don't want um
any form of religion to be baked into
the government, secular, we're here for
it." I don't there's not going to be a
big clash, especially if the second
generation kids are like, "I'm Muslim,
but like I grew up in England. I see
myself as British."
>> You're not going to have a problem with
that. Again, this is not a race problem.
>> If though you get somebody who's like,
"Yeah, we want Sharia law. We're going
to be chill about it for now, but let me
tell you, when we start hitting 7 8%,
>> we're going to start saying something
about it." And then we we hit 15%,
you're really going to know about it.
>> It's like, okay, you're going to get a
clash. And that's literally what's
happening. So, uh, be careful. This is a
values thing. And when people try to
rapidly change the values in a country,
you will see fighting. It may not be
like actual punching in the face, but
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>> All right, let's jump into this uh black
radical versus black conservative. Okay,
before we start this conversation, I
need to just have some
>> 45 minutes on this, everybody.
>> I need to have some mild markers,
please. It's like a debate. Like, let's
do definitions. Let's just start at the
very, very beginning.
>> Um, Amanda Seals is a black radical.
She's not a liberal. So, she is not a
representative of the Democrat. She's
not a Democratic ideology. Yes.
Recently, the Democrats adopted black
people so that way they can have them
vote for them.
>> Recently,
>> since 1960.
>> I was going to say, yeah. Yeah. If
you're trying to say since 1920 I'm or
2020 I'm going to have a problem here.
>> But uh so just so this a lot of people
were like dunking in the comments like
yeah this is what's wrong with the left.
It's like yeah well she's not
representing the left. So I just want to
be respectful of the left in the
audience. Secondly
we have to um understand who Amanda
Seals as is as a person. U a lot of
people don't even know who she is. It's
their first time interacting with her.
She was like famously kicked out of
Insecure, the Issa Ray show that was on
HBO for a bunch of years because she was
too like
>> Oh yeah.
>> Yeah. One of Emmys. Yeah. It was it was
a good show.
>> It was it was one of the number one or
number two black shows out at the time.
She was kicked out of it for being too
uh problematic, too high maintenance.
Like she is notorious for always arguing
with people. She lost a radio show in
Chicago cuz she used to argue with the
callers all the time. So it's like
having her in this position, it
literally was like rage bait. And like a
lot of the black community, black
Twitter that knows her from that era,
now seeing her as like a debater, as a
commentator, it's all funny because you
used to be the clapback queen and now
you're sitting as a debater and doing
all these things
>> and you the black Twitter community
thinks that's ridiculous because she
can't be taken seriously as a debater.
>> It's one of those things like she's the
most argumentative person like on the on
the
>> Is that what you want in a debate?
That's why it's like destiny is like
>> Yeah. So it's like oh this is funny cuz
all she's going to do is yell at people
and do this thing. So when people were
like, well, all she's doing is raising
her voice and y like, yeah, that's what
Amanda Seals does. So it's kind of like
her charact almost like um Sarah
Silverman is going to tell a dirty joke.
Like that's her that's her stick. That's
her funny in.
>> Got it. Okay, cool. Now, is that a
popular thing? Like are would if we took
a poll on Black Twitter, would she be
like wildly popular, wildly unpopular?
Totally down the road.
>> She's a character. So it's like we know
who she is. There's people who love her
people here. That's why I use Sarah
Silverman because that's a very specific
female comedian with a regular style.
Like there's a thousand comedians, but
not everybody's Sarah Silverman. There's
a thousand black women who do comedy,
but they don't do it like Amanda Seals
does it.
>> Um, all right. So, this was I think you
said this was one of your favorites. Um,
the James Nuclear Dude. Uh, Colin Wright
retweeted, "This ideology is on its way
out and it's still wildly believed and
entrenched in many institutions, but
it's intellectual viciousness is being
exposed every day for all to see. They
have no coherent argument, just snark
and sanctimony. We had enough.
>> So, in fairness to her, statistics
really can be made to say just about
anything that you want them to say. You
can look at them from a different angle.
You can frame them in a way uh that does
not mean that you want to abandon
statistics because there can be real
revelations in the data. But you do need
to be skeptical of the data. You do need
to try to look at things from multiple
different angles. When I'm writing my
deep dives, a lot of times I'll get a
stat and I'll be like, okay, that's way
too convenient for my narrative. I need
to like go look at this from different
angles, like how did we end up here?
What is this really? Uh how was the
study framed? And I have no doubt in the
fullness of time there are going to be
stats that I've used where it's like,
okay, there was some flaw in the
underlying study or whatever. So I I
concede her point. Um, but what I saw a
lot of from her is when she's losing an
argument that's based on stats, she will
just switch to a pure like emotion or
she'll tell like I can't remember if
this kid I think it is this kid where
she's like, "Think of me as your mom.
Don't talk to me like that."
>> It's like that's not an argument.
Especially not when you're talking to
people in a way where I'm just like a
ghast. Uh, so
one one thing that I really like about
the way that Destiny debates and listen
I know Destiny has his flaws and he will
for sure go unhinged but when people are
attacking him he just almost doesn't
even acknowledge it. He just like keeps
going. Here are the stats. Here are the
figures and she says something at the
very very very end of the debate.
Literally after everybody goes they
bring in a few more people. This is
done. The debate's over. You've got like
3 minutes left on the Jubilee video.
Most people are gone by now. Uh, and
they brought a couple more people out
solo just to like ask them a couple
questions. And she's one of them. And
she's basically like, um, we don't need
to be having this debate or
conversation, I forget which word she
used, at the level of data. We need to
be having this at the level of love. And
I thought, uhoh, this is somebody who's
like, I just I have a narrative that I
believe. I have a set of values that I
hold, and we're going to argue from that
position. And then from there, if you
map her as that, somebody that
legitimately doesn't care what is sort
of true, grounded in factual reality,
and instead is like, this is going to be
narrative driven to get to an outcome
that I believe in. Then it's like, oh,
all of a sudden the there's a point
where she's like, I'll just keep raising
my voice until you stop.
>> Uh there is telling people they're not
going to talk to her like that. Telling
her to stop stop when they deliver a
fact that she doesn't like. uh saying
that they're incorrect when the fact
checker is like, "No, they're not." Mhm.
>> So it's uh once you start mapping
someone like that, you realize that
whole idea that I've talked about many
times in a marriage where you'll be
arguing about the tea versus like what's
the actual thing like for this debate to
work, they would have to pull into the
conversation that I am Amanda Seals do
not care about facts and figures. None
of that is relevant to me. This is about
leading with love and here's how I
believe that we need to manifest to use
a a very loaded word manifest that love.
This is based on my beliefs, my values,
and that's it. And then at least you can
go, okay, well, I'm going to go after
your beliefs and your values, or I'm
going to go after the very fundamental
nature of the premise and say this can
only be had at the level of facts. Now,
I get that that's boring as hell. Like,
that's terrible TV. So, I understand why
we're not going to do it, but that's the
only way that you're going to get
something productive out of this.
>> Yeah. I I want to jump in onto the stats
and figures thing for a second because I
think what she's alluding to here where
stats and figures can be manipulated is
okay. So, I dated my first white woman
um in college. I was like 22, 23 at the
time. Um or after
>> first OJ, now Coobe. That's it. No more
white women.
>> I remember that chant. That was
hilarious. Uh, so I like went to her I
went to her house. Um, she lived in like
a super community. Her dad was loaded.
So like his house was here, her uncle's
house was down the street. Her aunt's
house was around the corner. Like they
were very ingrained in the community. I
remember one time we were out one night
drinking, got to her house at like 2:00
in the morning, whatever. We're sitting
on the couch laughing and giggling. We
see like a car pull up and a cop like
come behind it. A cop knocks on the
door. We kind of tense up cuz we were
drinking like, "Oh snap, something
happened." her pops walks up and the cop
was like, "Yeah, sorry. Caught Mr. So
and so at the pub again, you know, make
sure he's good. Here's his keys."
Whatever like that. And in that moment,
I like smiled cuz I was like, "Oh, this
is hilarious." But that's a thing that I
often point to when we look at these
crime stats and we look at certain
things like that. In certain
communities, when a police shows up,
he's like, "How do I help this
community? How do I take care of them?
How do I do these things?"
>> In other communities, when I go there,
I'm not talking. I'm not asking
questions. I'm throwing you in the patty
wagon and I'm bugging you. If I was in
that same exact position in that same
exact neighborhood, I don't know if he
would have been like, "Hey, do you know
anybody here? How can I get you home?
How can I make sure you're good?"
>> Right?
>> That same logic can be applied to early
statistics as done in elementary
education where black kindergarters and
white kindergarters do the same thing.
Black kindergarters get suspended, white
kindergarters get talked to and put and
put back into play. Same thing can be So
there's all there's different tent poles
that we can look through through
different levels of society. So it's not
even like murder stats. Yeah, you got me
there. Black people kill a lot of black
people. I'm not even going to argue
that. But when you just say black people
are inherently it's in their DNA,
there's all these crime stats. Once you
start teasing that out and actually
start pulling apart,
>> the second you say DNA, we have beef. So
here here would be my thing just like as
a because I know this is the big beef
with my audience and I have a lot of
empathy for people in the audience that
roll up to the live who haven't seen me
in years and they're like, "Oh my god,
like he's going to be doing mindset
stuff." And then I am not doing mindset
stuff. Uh as the mindset guy uh I will
say that you become what you repeat.
>> And so we have a perpetual motion
machine. And the perpetual motion
machine is that we are in a world where
through a whole series of obviously
horrific things uh starting in slavery
echoing through today. You've got a
position where we have trapped people in
poverty. and the just disproportionately
by way of um population, you're going to
see a lot of blacks especially, but
minorities just in general end up in
that cycle of poverty. Cycle is the
right way to think of it. You can think
of it as um like people being uh weighed
down. Like it it is economically right
now so hard to escape that. It's not
impossible, but Jesus, it is like we've
gone out of our way to really trap
people there. So now we've got people
stuck in this cycle of poverty. That
cycle of poverty kicks off real
statistics that people really should
care about and they should ask like uh
oh like that's not good. So if you have
a cop that's coming into that situation
and life has taught them that they
they're not mapping it to poverty. They
are mapping it to skin color. Mistake
but nonetheless I get how they end up
there. And so they walk into a room full
of people that really are visually tied
to like way elevated crime statistics.
Now, if they're also geographically in
that space, now the cop is like, "Okay,
double whammy. They look like the people
who did a thing and they're in the
neighborhood of people who really do the
thing." And so, it is wiser from a
safety perspective for me to come in
like way alert.
>> So, all of those things make sense.
Where it breaks down is how the hell do
we get out of this?
>> And that's where I'm saying you become
what you repeat. And right now, what we
are repeating ad nauseium is like this
is all racism. uh the system is against
you, it's all bad all the time. And this
is why, and I think this is a
fascinating part of the argument, when
people point back and go, hold on a
second. When we had first exited
slavery, uh we very rapidly did better
as a community than we're doing now. So,
what I I look at that and I go, you can
rule out as a thought experiment. I do
this with entrepreneurs all the time.
Run the thought experiment to see if you
can rule out some options. You can rule
out that racism is the thing that holds
you back when you realize that things
were better in the black community like
100 years ago.
>> So something happened in the intervening
100 years. Now maybe I can't get you to
buy into in the 60s the all the
different welfare programs and stuff
that just gutted the gutted
>> poor families in general which because
there was a disproportionate number of
blacks is going to be disproportionately
impactful. And so that creates this
snowball effect. Even if I can't get you
to buy that, you can just rule out that
this is a problem of racism. Now, you
may come back to, well, then what we
have to do is be insular again. We have
to be cloistered communities. We have to
reject integration with with uh white
society.
>> Okay, that strikes me as a terrible
idea, but at least that I would
understand why you would come to that
conclusion. And I don't have a thought
experiment in America to rule that out.
Cool. Now, we at least have a place that
we can start. And this is what I think
he's getting at with Mr. Nuclear here,
which is really his Twitter name,
>> uh, is trying to get at is he's like,
the Chinese were put far briefer, but
the Chinese were put through something
equally horrible in America. Maybe not
equally horrible, but bad.
>> Uh, apartheid
literally the system was against them.
And now later down the road, massive
success. Same with Nigerian immigrants,
massive success. So
like,
>> yeah,
>> as you start getting into trying to get
to the cause and effect, my hope is that
people look at those things and go,
"Okay, cool." The narrative that we're
using, A, just doesn't map to reality.
And then B, if Tom is right, and you
become what you repeat, we are making
everyone obsessed with race
>> by talking about it all the time.
>> And I always forget her name. Satia
something just did a whole breakdown of
this on CNN. the increase in the word uh
I think it was slavery and something
else from like 2000 to 2020 goes up by
like 5,000%.
Now, we haven't had a 5,000% increase in
slavery from 2000 to 2020. So, there's
something else going on. And if I'm
right, that you become what you repeat,
the mere fact that we now obsess over
race is making race a bigger problem.
>> Um, you said something interesting about
Chinese immigrants, how they were
overcoming came through. I think one
fallacy that we also have to let go of
is that you can't compare immigrant
communities to native black Americans.
The United States is the unique
situation out of any other country in
the world that the people that they
enslaved they then set free and those
freed people stayed in the same spot.
Usually it's like you set free then they
migrate over here and they go stay over
here or they set free and they leave
Japan and they go back to Korea or
something like that but it's not
necessarily like okay you're free go
across the street. So, I think comparing
those types of people with people who
are the best and brightest because I was
nimble enough, I was ambitious enough, I
was able-bodied enough to trans cross
the an entire Atlantic Ocean to chase my
dream, pursue a better life. That's a
different level of ambition, intellect,
and things like that. So, you're
comparing the type slice of another
population with the majority of the
existing population. And you're saying,
"Well, see, these exceptional 1% people
do it. So, how come you guys aren't
doing it when the people that we're
pointing to, they also have their
exceptional 1% who are doing it?"
>> Okay, th this is amazing. I think you
laid that out very eloquently. If at any
point you think that I'm misrepresenting
your view, please grab me because this
is one where man,
>> if if you and I can get on the same page
about this, especially because you're
the CEO of the black community, like
this could really be transformational.
>> We can make a deal here. We
>> uh that would be incredible. Okay. So,
um, here's what I see in that. What I
see in that again is is literal
evidence. This isn't a racism problem.
>> A skin color problem you're saying?
>> Correct. This is so interesting. I know
you have a whole take on that and so
does Amanda Seals for that matter. So,
maybe we'll talk about that in a second,
but for now, I'm just saying it is not a
I can cue off of what you look like
visually problem.
>> Uh, and because I look at you and I see
somebody who is different than me, I'm
going to try to hold you back. I'm going
to try to create systems that hold you
back all that. Okay. So, uh point
conceded that there is going to be a
difference between uh people that were
forcibly brought here and somebody who
immigrates here. Meaning somebody who
immigrates here, there's already a
massive selection bias for risktaking
um possibly for intellect like it may be
a proxy for IQ, all of that. And so uh
what I hear you putting forward and I
think this is very valid is you've got a
a whole group of people who knows it's
going to be the whole gamut of uh
intellectual capabilities whereas
immigrant communities they come over and
that's going to be more selected for for
people that just have uh more success
tied cor more success correlated
individual traits.
>> Okay, cool. What I'm saying is yes,
there in lies the problem, but what we
talk about is race. And I'm saying [ __ ]
all that noise because it literally
doesn't matter. If you keep reinforcing,
reinforcing, reinforcing, reinforcing,
then it becomes a mind virus. And then
people are going to derail even more
because people are legitimately, as far
as I can tell, actually becoming more
racist. It really didn't feel like this
in the 80s and '90s, man. It really did
not feel like this. As a white person,
it did not feel like this. I didn't look
around and see people like secretly
being racist. Like you might have and
honestly Yeah. Okay. Even I like you
would hear like the occasional like
>> you look s No, I never heard anything
like that. But you you'd hear like
comments from your whatever your great
uncle, not even my uncles, but like my
grandfather's brothers and sisters might
say like a weird thing here or there,
but it was so like just considered
gross. So, nobody
in my universe was like leaning into
that. And I'm talking at school,
everywhere. It just like it didn't feel
like it feels now. Okay. So, from that
perspective, I feel like we're moving in
the wrong direction fast. People are
legitimately becoming more racist. I
think as an obsession with race, trying
to classify everybody, then people team
up, then they fight for their team. And
so, you're pushing people where it's
like, think of yourself as white first.
Well, then you're going to get white
nationalist and all that [ __ ]
because you're pushing them to think of
that as their team. very [ __ ] stupid
in my opinion. Okay. So, but using going
back to what you were saying, we have
now delineated that this is not a skin
color problem. This is a
>> I mean intellect problem if we're really
going to boil it down. No matter what
your race is, if you don't have the
intellectual horsepower to get out from
under a system that's trying to hold you
back, you're in trouble. But I think
when you start looking at broader
communities like uh Indian-Americans,
Chinese Americans, uh Japanese
Americans, Korean-Americans, like you
start seeing a cultural trend because
they've been here for generations and
generations and generations. So this
isn't just like uh Nigerian immigrants
who are all going to be very recent.
This is like not only do I not have a
Chinese accent, my parents don't have a
Chinese accent, their parents didn't
have a Chinese accent. So now I think it
maps far closer to culture than to
intellect. And the culture in Asian
communities right now today is you are
going to work until your face falls off.
Like from the time you're a little kid,
you're going to be going to tutors. You
are expected to excel academically. All
of that. I don't know these stats, but I
would be surprised if there isn't more
two parent households. And so once
people start going, okay, wait, hold on
a sec. Like a core pillar of my entire
belief system is that humans became the
ultimate apex predator, the most
dominant creature the world has ever
seen. The ability to leave the planet
for one reason and one reason only. We
pass things on through culture. We don't
try to hardwire everything the way that
a horse does. A horse 20 minutes after
it's born, it can do all the things that
a horse is ever going to be able to do.
A human is not like that. We've got 25
years of brain development. We can be
dropped into any circumstance and it's
going to wildly impact our lives. And so
once you if I can get people to agree
that that is true, then it's like okay
then what you're transmitting to young
kids which matters a a factor of a
hundred more to uh indoctrinate people
with high utility ideology when they are
young is the entire game. And if you
don't have two parent households, if
you're having to put your kids in a
bathtub, if the because of stray
bullets, if your um uh school is
absolutely god-awful, areas of the brain
actually don't develop. They just don't
develop. They don't hear the right
number of words. My whole Jeffrey Canada
speech, which anybody wants to hear, I
can certainly go down. But it's like the
matter, the number of words that you
hear matters tremendously to your brain
development. So now we've got Okay,
here's real problem. Real problem is
poverty is destroying brain development.
Uh culturally there you don't have
intact families. So you're not getting
male and female influence. You need
both. Again, brain development, seeing
things from different sides, men
teaching you to be tougher, to be more
emotionally resilient. Mothers making
you feel love like you can do anything.
Like these are very necessary
ingredients to the development of the
human mind which is designed to react to
its environment. Mhm.
>> So now you take all of that, you in my
estimation have proven this is not a
skin color problem
>> and now it becomes okay this is an
intellect culture problem. Now I am
certainly not making the argument which
you will hear out on the internet that
black people in general just don't have
the intellectual horsepower. I think
that's total horseshit. Just my own
lived experience as cheesy as that is
tells me that it just doesn't matter.
walking up to somebody based on their
skin color, I am not going to be able to
tell whether they are uh smart, whether
they are funny, whether they are good at
name this, that or the other.
But if you tell me that I'm looking at a
Chinese person whose parents have an
accent, I'm like, "Oh, that [ __ ]
works hard." Guaranteed. There is so
much pressure on them culturally because
I can just guess what that culture is
going to be like. And so to me, culture
has massive predictive validity where in
terms of how well that person's going to
do.
>> Uh, and skin color has extremely low
predictive validity.
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>> French streamer Jean Parmmonov uh Oki
Okkey Doki Sovie, let me know if I
pronounced that right, has passed away
in his sleep at the age 46 during a
10day a day 10 of a marathon stream.
Now, for context, this was dude was
getting beat up and all those things
during his stream, but allegedly he died
of natural causes in his sleep after the
10day. Um, there was a community note
added, more context needed. Raphael
Graven um was found dead in bed after
enduring 10 days while being sleepd
deprived, tortured, and fed, ingested
different toxic products by other people
that participated in the 10day stream
marathon.
>> This is super weird. Now, I don't know
enough about this guy. So, it's entirely
possible he's the problem that he's
driving this, he's telling people to do
this, that whatever, whatever. It's also
possible that this guy is mentally ill
or whatever and people are taking
advantage of him. I don't know, but
people here's one people choking him and
there are a bunch of people choking him
and so at one point people are like
putting paint all over him. I mean this
is just weird. So this is the I don't
know if this is what people