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Amanda Seals is a black radical. She's
not a liberal. Yes. Recently, the
Democrats adopted black people so that
way they can have them vote for them.
>> Recently,
>> since 1960.
>> I was going to say, yeah. Yeah. If
you're trying to say since 1920 or 2020,
I'm going to have a problem here.
>> She's not representing the left. So, I
just want to be respectful of the left.
Secondly, we have to um understand who
Amanda Seals as is as a person. Famously
kicked out of Insecure, the Issa Ray
show that was on HBO for a bunch of
years because she was too like
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah. It wanted to go to Emmy. Yeah, it
was it was a good show. She was kicked
out of it for being too uh problematic.
Having her in this position, it
literally was like rage bait.
>> You can give everyone here like a
$50,000, especially people that are in
the streets who are committing violent
crimes consistently, a $50,000 check.
It's not going to fix anything. It's not
going to increase the median household
income in the next 10 years by 10% or
20%. For example, you have the uh
Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. We
prevented Chinese people from getting
citizenship and even entering the
country. We discriminate against them
and basically put them under apartheid.
Even here in the United States, yet they
have the highest median household
income. How is that possible? How come
they don't complain and feel entitled
consistently to beg for reparations and
beg for this when they are killing each
other 90% of the time, which is the rate
that black people kill each other
according to the FBI.
>> Oh, young Matt.
>> Yet, white people are the oppressors.
>> I'm not sure where your education came
from, but they lied to you.
>> Stats don't lie, though.
>> Statistics lie all the time.
>> In fairness to her, statistics really
can be made to say just about anything
that you want them to say. You can look
at them from a different angle. You can
frame them in a way that does not mean
that you want to abandon statistics
because there can be real revelations in
the data. But you do need to be
skeptical of the data. You do need to
try to look at things from multiple
different angles. When I'm writing my
deep dives, a lot of times I'll get a
stat and I'll be like, "Okay, that's way
too convenient for my narrative. I need
to like go look at this from different
angles. Like, how did we end up here?
How was the study framed?" I concede her
point, but what I saw a lot of from her
is when she's losing an argument that's
based on stats, she will just switch to
a pure like emotion. Think of me as your
mom. Don't talk to me like that. It's
like that's not an argument. Especially
not when you're talking to people in a
way where I'm just like a ghast. One
thing that I really like about the way
that Destiny debates, and listen, I know
Destiny has his flaws and he will for
sure go unhinged. When people are
attacking him, he just almost doesn't
even acknowledge it. He just like keeps
going. Here are the stats. Here are the
figures. She says something at the very
very very end of the debate. Literally
after everybody goes, they bring in a
few more people. This is done. The
debate's over. You've got like 3 minutes
left on the Jubilee video. Most people
are gone by now. And they brought a
couple more people out solo just to like
ask them a couple questions. And she's
one of them. And she's basically like,
we don't need to be having this debate
or conversation, I forget which word she
used, at the level of data. We need to
be having this at the level of love. And
I thought, uhoh, this is somebody who's
like, I just I have a narrative that I
believe. I have a set of values that I
hold, and we're going to argue from that
position. From there, if you map her as
that, somebody that legitimately doesn't
care what is sort of true, grounded in
factual reality, and instead is like,
this is going to be narrative driven to
get to an outcome that I believe in.
Then it's like, oh, all of a sudden the
there's a point where she's like, I'll
just keep raising my voice until you
stop. there is telling people they're
not going to talk to her like that.
Telling her to stop, stop, stop when
they deliver a fact that she doesn't
like. Saying that they're incorrect when
the fact checker is like, "No, they're
not." Once you start mapping someone
like that, you realize that whole idea
that I've talked about many times in a
marriage where you'll be arguing about
the T versus like what's the actual
thing. Like for this debate to work,
they would have to pull into the
conversation that I, Amanda Seals, do
not care about facts and figures. None
of that is relevant to me. This is about
leading with love and here's how I
believe that we need to manifest that
love. This is based on my beliefs, my
values, and that's it. And then at least
you can go, okay, well, I'm going to go
after your beliefs and your values, or
I'm going to go after the very
fundamental nature of the premise and
say this can only be had at the level of
facts. Now, I get that that's boring as
hell. Like, that's terrible TV. So, I
understand why we're not going to do it,
but that's the only way that you're
going to get something productive out of
this.
>> I think what she's alluding to here
where stats and figures can be
manipulated is I dated my first white
woman um in college. I was like 22, 23
at the time or after that.
>> First OJ, now Coobe. That's it. No more
white women. I remember that chant. That
was hilarious.
>> I went to her house. Um, she lived in
like a super community. Her dad was
loaded. I remember one time we were out
one night drinking. Got to her house at
like 2:00 in the morning, whatever.
We're sitting on the couch laughing and
giggling. We see like a car pull up and
a cop like come behind it. A cop knocks
on the door. We kind of tense up cuz we
was drinking like, "Oh snap, something
happened." her pops walks up and the cop
was like, "Yeah, sorry. Caught Mr. So
and so at the pub again, you know, make
sure he's good. Here's his keys."
Whatever like that. And in that moment,
I like smiled cuz I was like, "Oh, this
is hilarious." But that's a thing that I
often point to when we look at these
crime stats and we look at certain
things like that. In certain
communities, when a police shows up,
he's like, "How do I help this
community? How do I take care of them?
How do I do these things?" In other
communities, when I go there, I'm not
talking. I'm not asking questions. I'm
throwing you in the patty wagon and I'm
booking you. If I was in that same exact
position in that same exact
neighborhood, I don't know if he would
have been like, "Hey, do you know
anybody here? How can I get you home?
How can I make sure you're good?" That
same logic can be applied to early
statistics as done in elementary
education where black kindergarteners
and white kindergarters do the same
thing. Black kindergarteners get
suspended, white kindergarters get
talked to and put and put back into
play. There's different tent poles that
we can look through through different
levels of society. So, it's not even
like murder stats. Yeah, you got me
there. Black people kill a lot of black
people. I'm not even going to argue
that. But when you just say black people
are inherently, it's in their DNA.
There's all these crime stats. The
second you say DNA, we have beef because
I know this is the big beef with my
audience and I have a lot of empathy for
people in the audience that roll up to
the live who haven't seen me in years
and they're like, "Oh my god, like he's
going to be doing mindset stuff." And
then I am not doing mindset stuff. As
the mindset guy, I will say that you
become what you repeat. We have a
perpetual motion machine. And the
perpetual motion machine is that we are
in a world where through a whole series
of obviously horrific things starting in
slavery echoing through today. You've
got a position where we have trapped
people in poverty. You're going to see a
lot of blacks especially, but minorities
just in general end up in that cycle of
poverty. It is economically right now so
hard to escape that. That's not
impossible. But Jesus, that cycle of
poverty kicks off real statistics that
people really should care about and they
should ask like, uh-oh, like that's not
good. If you have a cop that's coming
into that situation and life has taught
them, they're not mapping it to poverty.
They are mapping it to skin color.
Mistake, but nonetheless, I get how they
end up there. And so they walk into a
room full of people that really are
visually tied to like way elevated crime
statistics. Now, if they're also
geographically in that space, now the
cop is like, "Okay, double whammy. They
look like the people who did a thing and
they're in the neighborhood of people
who really do the thing." And so, it is
wiser from a safety perspective for me
to come in like way alert.
>> So, all of those things make sense.
Where it breaks down is how the hell did
we get out of this? And that's where I'm
saying you become what you repeat. And
right now, what we are repeating ad
nauseium, this is all racism. The system
is against you. It's all bad all the
time. When people point back and go,
"Hold on a second. When we had first
exited slavery, we very rapidly did
better as a community than we're doing
now." I look at that and I go, you can
rule out, as a thought experiment, I do
this with entrepreneurs all the time.
Run the thought experiment to see if you
can rule out some options. You can rule
out that racism is the thing that holds
you back when you realize that things
were better in the black community like
100 years ago. Something happened in the
intervening 100 years. You can just rule
out that this is a problem of racism.
You may come back to well then what we
have to do is be insular again. We have
to be cloistered communities. We have to
reject integration with with uh white
society. That strikes me as a terrible
idea. But at least that I would
understand why you would come to that
conclusion. And I don't have a thought
experiment in America to rule that out.
Cool. Now we at least have a place that
we can start. And this is what I think
he's getting at is he's like the Chinese
were put far briefer, but the Chinese
were put through something equally
horrible in America. Literally, the
system was against them. And now later
down the road, massive success. Same
with Nigerian immigrants. Massive
success. As you start getting into
trying to get to the cause and effect,
my hope is that people look at those
things and go, "Okay, cool. The
narrative that we're using a just
doesn't map to reality and then b if Tom
is right and you become what you repeat,
we are making everyone obsessed with
race by talking about it all the time.
And I always forget her name, Satia
something just did a whole breakdown of
this on CNN. The increase in the word uh
I think it was slavery and something
else from like 2000 to 2020 goes up by
like 5,000%. We haven't had a 5,000%
increase in slavery from 2000 to 2020.
So, there's something else going on. And
if I'm right that you become what you
repeat, the mere fact that we now obsess
over race is making race a bigger