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Charlie Kirk's assassin has been
apprehended and I think there are going
to be a lot of questions about his
political affiliation. His assassination
is also proving to be a ghoulish
rorchack test that is bringing out
weirdness on both sides of the aisle.
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>> We just got breaking news. This is
reportedly um again I'm taking it from
New York Post, but I have a Twitter link
that actually shows the kid um
22-year-old Tyler Robinson um who this
person's probably on the team was a
registered Republican in Utah according
to state records. They're kind of
matching up showing that this is the
dude that did it. Um so yeah, um I hope
that this kid's life is
I don't know if this is that person. I
don't want to start digging through cuz
I don't know where to go. But Here's the
thing. If this ends up being a
Republican, yet another reason why being
on a team is the wrong level of
analysis.
>> So, it is the fact that we team up that
we get into this degree of I'm so
certain. So, for instance, there's a a
um account that I follow that's
Republicans against Trump.
>> And it's like they're just as teamed up
as Republicans for Trump. So it's like
don't don't blanket be for or against
anyone. Figure out what what is the
cause and effect of the situation. Then
take each thing as we go.
>> So but yeah, I mean it'll be interesting
to see how all of this plays out. But
the very problem is being so certain in
your rightness that you're willing to
kill somebody. That that's the problem.
>> We could go we could go to Kaizen or
something. We haven't played that yet.
>> Yeah, this is great. I love it.
>> Let's jump Let's jump to that.
>> And we applaud the executioner. But
here's the thing. It's never just one
bullet. The gun that is aimed at your
enemy today gets aimed at you tomorrow.
Suddenly, the cheers around you now
become the silence around your own
grave. This is why we must condemn
everything that comes after but even if
it comes from our own side. Yet we've
become so arrogant, so certain we know
the whole truth that all the angels are
in our tribe and all the demons are in
theirs. We rage about media bias yet
worship our echo chamber. We are obese
with knowledge but starve for wisdom.
The message that was sent by Charlie's
assassin was clear. He was shot in the
throat while speaking freely with those
who disagreed and allowing them to do
the same. He lived by the mic. is crazy.
>> What do you mean
>> that he got shot in the throat?
Like, how do you This is We're in the
Matrix. Like, of all places for him to
be shot in the throat. Like, that I
don't know. It's just so wild to me.
>> And died by the sword. This wasn't just
an assassination
>> played
to disagree in this. And allowing them
to do the same. He lived by the mic and
died by the sword. This wasn't just an
assassination.
>> Live by the mic and die by the
>> It was an attack on civilization.
>> A big part of the problem.
>> Our nation is held together by a thread
and that thread is frag. The social
fabric is tearing and we must unite to
weave it a new. We need humility to see
not just the speck in the opponent's
eye, but the log in our own. Because
this isn't about right or left. This is
about good versus evil. And we're all on
each side.
>> So, we all got a choice to make.
>> We can choose to heal or an eye for an
eye until we're all blind and cannot
see.
>> Yeah.
>> And then the next bullet may be aimed at
you
>> or it could be me.
>> Wow. M.
>> Yeah. No, Kaizen is phenomenal. Um,
okay. So,
it is going to be a really interesting
debate if So, one, if this guy's a
registered Republican,
>> uh, and let's say actually a somebody
who really sees himself as on that team.
>> Mhm.
>> Was the trans rhetoric on the bullet
meant to deflect from who he is?
If not, and this is a person who
is a registered Republican but is like
kneedeep in trans ideology, then where
do you put them on the political
compass? That that'll be a fascinating
debate. But again, that's getting pulled
down into the like you've already passed
the part that actually matters, which is
somebody believing so
>> believing so strongly that they are
right, that they're willing to kill.
It's crazy. Yeah, it'll be interesting
to see like is this guy mentally ill uh
or is he just that convinced of his
rightness? There were people pulling
footage of somebody that looked vaguely
like him debating Charlie at a previous
event.
>> Uh so it'll be interesting to see if
that really is that guy
>> like he lost the debate and then he came
back to get him type.
>> Yeah. So he showed up and he had again I
don't know that this is the same person
but people were saying oh it might be
something like that but he was speaking
with a bullhorn into the mic. Uh, so but
yeah, I wouldn't say that in terms of
winning the crowd over. He certainly did
not. Charlie had the crowd on his side.
Um, I didn't see the full thing of it. I
just saw a clip, so I won't say who made
the better arguments. But, um, if it was
that guy, uh, it'll be interesting
because he certainly doesn't
he doesn't come across as being trans
himself. Certainly, there was nothing in
his um physical display that would lead
you to believe that, but who knows?
We'll see. All right, Drew. Uh we are
still in the after wash of the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. It still
is um sitting on me pretty heavily. I
was not at all surprised to see that my
timeline is still just wall to-all
Charlie Kirk.
>> Um this one really does feel different.
It's been interesting to see people talk
about that little aspect of this, like
why does this one feel so differently? I
think people are grappling with um
something that I think you get close to
when you realize that this wasn't a
politician. This was a guy that talked
for a living. Mhm.
>> And so when the guy that talks for a
living gets killed in like the most
symbolic way, getting shot in the throat
while talking about a political position
that people don't agree with, it's just
so rich in symbolism
that he was somebody that was
specifically aiming his message at young
people, which of course is exactly where
you want to aim a message.
>> Um, all of that and that it was captured
on camera so close up. It's this one.
and I don't think this one's going to go
away. And so people are going to use
this
to advance what they already believe.
That's the thing that scares me. So I've
seen everything from the direct like
Charlie Kirk was standing up for free
speech and American values. And so
that's what was assassinated. I've seen
uh the chance, which I assume we'll play
a clip of later, where white men fight
back. And I was just like, wait, what
does this have to do with being white?
So everybody, this is a roarshack test.
You see in this what you want to see.
>> Mhm.
>> And those kind of things get very
dangerous because now everybody believes
that they have like the perfect thing
that explains why their side is right,
which is the very problem that we're
dealing with right now. Everybody's
convinced they're right.
>> Yeah. Uh White House reporter Elena Trin
from CNN just announced that Trump said
on Fox and Friends that Charlie Kirk's
assassin is in custody. um quoted
directly from Trump I think with a high
degree of certainty. We have him in
custody. So if this is Cash Pat Mattel
said that last uh yesterday it came out
with uh he had some fire had to deal
with it when he ended up having to
release that hostage that suspect. So if
this is the person that done it if they
actually captured him do you think that
this would be a path to healing or is
kind of cats already out the back?
>> Yeah. Yeah. This so
uh this is a symptom. This is not the
cause. People have been waiting for that
spark. And the question always when
something like this happens and you have
a spark that then catches fire,
everybody focuses on the spark. But the
reality is you should be looking at the
kindling that's been laid down for god
knows how long.
>> Um
>> we've been pulling at each other like
crazy. We've had political
assassinations in recent memory that
didn't catch on the way that this one
did in terms of the public
consciousness, which is always
fascinating when you look back even at
things like the civil rights movement.
Like why Rosa Parks? You know what I
mean? Like there was a hundred other
things, a thousand other things that
were as bad, possibly worse, but they
they aren't the one that like really
sparks it. Sometimes because of the
symbolism, sometimes because of the
coverage, sometimes because of who will
rally around them. Uh, so it's
interesting to see the way that Charlie
has become that thing that's going to
push this forward. But the reality is
there's been something brewing under the
surface for a very long time that's now
going to rage. The only question is how
far.
>> There is no healing this.
>> When I think about the stance that I
have, which is, hey, we still have to
find a way back to the middle. We still
have to find a way to um give people a
narrative that they can hold on to that
gives them the words to self soothe.
>> Um
I do sometimes feel like the guy on the
beach as the tsunami rolls in. I just
don't know if it's stoppable. And so um
Ray Delio was recently on Dire of a CEO
and he asked him, "Are you optimistic
about America's future?" And Ray just
goes, "No."
And Rey is looking at historical
patterns. For reasons of historical
patterns, I feel like the person on the
beach with the tsunami rolling in
calling for everybody to find their way
back to the middle. I just don't know if
it's possible.
>> Uh it it is the very thing that I'm
asking for that I know would be good for
us is the very thing that I think defies
the way the human mind actually works.
Humans on an individual level are fine,
but once you start getting into crowds,
once cultural energy is rippling, I
don't know that it's possible to stop
without enough pain. So, we'll see.
Yeah. Um, I'm seeing a lot of like
comparisons about how this is hitting
different communities. Um, it's there's
this sports commentator by Miami Jones
on ESPN who says all the time, there's
really two Americas. And depending on
where your Twitter feed lies in the
algorithm, there's definitely two stark
reactions. Um, and it's it's interesting
to me how some people have evangelized
Charlie Kirk, even comparing this to the
slaying of MLK. Other people are saying
this is their George. This is white
people's George Floyd moment because
it's like a public execution of somebody
that looks like them over something that
they that was unjust and now they're
this is rallying it. I see the chance on
the other side. I see Charlie Kirk um
being a symbol for American values and
American symbolism. He got a Medal of
Honor. So there or Medal of Freedom. So
there's a lot of different reactions
going across the spectrum. Is that I
know we talk about populism enough and I
don't want that to be kind of the the
buzzword that kind of bails us out. But
to see such a stark point, this couldn't
have just been over the killing. This is
just the exposure of it. Like that
bullet kind of lifted up the rock where
all the ants kind of climbed and went
away. But those divisions didn't get
sewn once that gun was shot. It got sewn
decades, months, years, whatever time
frame ago, it seems like. Cuz this
>> how stark the difference is is just
baffling to me. Um, so I'm still
processing it live. Like even right now,
like live on camera, I'm still
processing it.
>> But it's it's just it's fascinating to
me. This is uh UT Austin.
>> Charlie Kirk got shot and killed. How do
you feel?
>> Uh, happy. Goodbye.
>> Wow. Did you see that Charlie Kirk just
got shot and killed?
>> That's good.
>> Wow. That's good. That's good that
people are getting shot just off a
political view.
>> Good that people are dying in America.
>> Did you see that?
>> Okay, so pause it for a second. Some of
this is youth. Like you're going to find
I I am so glad that when I was this age
that there were no cameras in my face
because I would have said my share of
unhinged stuff. The brain doesn't even
stop developing until you're 25. You
certainly for the most part some people
will have but the vast majority of
people will not have thought through
their views well. They won't have a map
of reality where uh it's all
interconnected and so they'll have
individual thoughts that you can topple
or even show that they have
self-contradictory beliefs. So I have
deep empathy from that perspective. A
lot of these guys are caught up in
narratives. We're all caught up in
narratives. Uh but it is very troubling
to me to see how pervasive
and how extreme this narrative is.
>> What the good narrative?
>> No, no, no. On this side where Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Good that he's dead.
>> Oh, good that he's dead.
>> Yeah. That it would it should be
extremely difficult to find people that
will be that glib about somebody's
assassination. And we're in a moment now
where people are all too ready to be
glib about the fact that he died. But
anyway, keep going because there it gets
worse as this goes.
>> Kira got shot and killed today.
>> Uh, yes I did.
>> How do you feel about that?
>> Um, I don't really have any feelings
about it.
Um, who are you?
>> Charlie Kirk gets shot and killed today.
We're just getting people's opinions.
How do you feel about that?
>> Girl, someone had to do it. And that's
how I feel at this point in time. But
you I appreciate your honesty. I truly
do. So you said someone had to do it.
>> Yes.
>> Try not to get all pulled up into that,
but he was a misogynist. Uh he was a
disgusting person with disgusting
beliefs.
>> So if you had a magical wand, a magical
button that you could press and keep him
from being assassinated, would you press
that?
>> No. I think things happen for a purpose.
Um, and if that's how his life was
ended, then that's how it was ended. So,
>> yeah. Um, okay. So, I see some of the
comments in the chat saying, "Hey, you
know, these are like fringe beliefs."
The very thing that I'm trying to get
people to understand is it should be
hard to find somebody that has fringe
beliefs. You should not just be able to
walk around campus over a I mean,
judging by the shadows, this is all in a
pretty tight time period. Call it over a
couple of hours in one location. You
shouldn't be able to find five or six
people
>> uh that have that what I will call just
completely unhinged response to someone
being assassinated whether you're on
your team or not.
>> The the thing that I'm trying to get
across to people is we are on tribes. We
are on teams. Being on a team has a
deranging effect to the way that people
think through a problem. So the the very
thing that I want to remind myself in my
own life, the thing that I want to put
out into the world, the thing that I
hope that people like if I got killed, I
would want people to say, he was always
trying to get people to think from first
principles. He was always trying to get
people to map their values and then say,
"Hey, here are the ways that I think by
having this value system, it's actually
going to take me to where my goals are."
And what you're seeing here are people
that they're in tribal thinking and
their team has a set of beliefs that
just make it easy for them to have such
a glib response to something so tragic.
And when your team's narrative gives you
a take that allows you to look into
somebody being assassinated and say,
"Yeah, cool. That's good. Yeah, no, I
wouldn't undo that." like this all just
happens for a reason.
>> Um that's the very thing that I'm
worried about. So it isn't even the
message from these young kids, it is
that we have these pat messages that are
pulling away from each other as fast as
possible. That is the problem. So
clowning on these kids for having a dumb
belief, whatever. Like that certainly
isn't what I'm advocating for. If I saw
any of these people, I would not be
yelling at them and saying, "You're so
unhinged." The thing that I'm trying to
talk people back from is don't allow
yourself to slip into a narrative stream
where you're not thinking about, okay,
hold on a second. Where am I trying to
get to? Because if where you want to get
to is my team is right,
>> the other team is wrong. We're going to
have to clear out like, girl, somebody
had to do it. That's somebody who's
like, look, this the the opposing team
is so dangerous. We just have to get rid
of them. And so it's actually good news
when somebody like that gets taken out.
You're not taking on the knockon effect.
Even if you're just like, well, it was
good that one person did it so the rest
will shut up. It's like, so hold on a
second. You want to use violence to
eliminate free speech because you can't
get free speech removed. You want to
eliminate free speech full stop. You
don't think that that has knock-on
effects that are going to be exceedingly
dangerous for you. So that's where I am
very unnerved. Radalio is banging a drum
and saying economic things are creating
a hatred within the own within our own
country. This is a pattern that repeats
in history. Watch what's going to
happen. You're you get north of 130%
debt to GDP and you break out into civil
war. It it's just a loop. And so it's
like you you
>> not being able to interrupt it, not
being able to get people to see what's
happening. That's the thing that scares
me the most. Show the show the flip
side. We'll show the joker thing in a
second. I just don't want people to get
lost in the, oh, the left is a bunch of
lunatics and that's what just happened.
We're witnessing the left being crazy.
>> Uh we saw the last political
assassinations at least that I'm aware
of here in the US was what happened in
Minnesota. That's as far as I know that
was a Trump supporter killing multiple
people. Well, killing one his spouse and
then or her husband and then
>> trying to kill another and their spouse.
So, it's like uh so that one didn't
catch, I think, because people just
didn't know them in the way that they
know Charlie Kirk. But, um
>> that's the other side being just as
unhinged. So, people getting into a
narrative stream that this is all about
the left being crazy being a mistake. So
anyway, um
>> I was going here. This is where I was
going with the
>> uh Matt Walsh will be a perfectly good
standin for the right.
>> Copy.
>> For hours I I've seen some in the media,
some of the very same people who
intentionally stoked murderous hatred
against people like Charlie Kirk and
Charlie Kirk specifically
now saying that we need to turn down the
temperature and start having
conversations.
Well, Charlie tried to have
conversations with you on the left and
you killed him for it.
>> And you killed him for it. So, this is
where this all starts to break really
bad. There was a guy that killed him for
it.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh, presumably technically, we don't
know who actually did it, but all signs
point to, first of all, the thought of a
woman being a sniper, killing political
opponents just strikes me as
>> the image released seemed like it was a
white male.
>> Yeah. While while not uh impossible,
certainly seems very unlikely. So uh but
saying that you did it, your side, you
guys, bad guys,
>> that is the problem. Like that's the
very thing that we have to back off of.
That is the mindset that that person was
in. Now whether we end up finding out
that this is a punchline about uh a
trans activist, which
>> there was something written on the
bullet that would lead people to believe
that that is the case, we'll see.
fullness of time, let that come out. But
no matter what, that person was on a
team in their head,
>> believed, I see things clearly so much
so that I should be allowed to be judged
during executioner. It's really wild.
>> And so now, I don't think I disagree
with Destiny who says this is a blatant
call for violence. I wouldn't go that
far, but he is
revealing a stance that is certainly
like very much you guys are wrong. You
have you are a group. You are a
monolith. You have done bad thing. I am
on the right side of history. I am
seeing this clearly. And so now you've
pushed me in a position where we're
going to have to fight back. He does not
ever say that we're going to have to
fight back violently. Um, but fight.
>> Mhm. All right, let him finish.
>> In our churches, you tried to kill our
president. You killed one of our
greatest advocates in Charlie Kirk.
You've been openly cheering for and
celebrating and encouraging and
committing political violence for years.
Antifa, BLM, wellunded, highly
orchestrated, widespread movements based
in and fueled by violence.
You made a hero out of Luigi Manion.
and you celebrate Charlie's death. Even
now,
it's too late to turn the temperature
down.
This is not a time to hold hands. It's
it's a time for justice. It is a time
for good to fight back against evil. It
is time for the righteous to prevail
for the sake of our country and for our
families and our children. And for
Charlie,
>> the thing that I take away from there
isn't that I think his message is
unhinged or anything like that. It is
time for justice. It is time for the
righteous to prevail. Now, will we agree
on who the righteous are? Probably not.
Um, will we agree on what justice is?
Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. But the
words he's using bother me only in as
much as it makes it clear that he's on a
team
>> and he is lumping everybody like we
don't even know who killed Charlie yet.
So for him to assume, oh, this is just
the left and uh you guys are all one big
basket of things, you're all wrong. Uh
team thinking does not lead anywhere
good. So that that's what I worry about.
So yeah, I hope people do not break
along the lines of there are a uh good
group and there is a bad group and we
are now at war with each other. That is
not how I think people should be looking
at this. This is how do we get to the
fundamental values? How do we get to the
structure of um
structurally what is happening that's
making this a problem? And I do
admittedly feel very weird
reminding everybody this is all coming
from economic problems because that
feels so weird in a time where people
are emotional. Like if I were at
Charlie's funeral and they asked me to
speak, I'm not going to mention the
economy.
>> But I'm doing that out of social
obligation if that makes sense. you just
know that's the wrong thing to talk
about.
>> Wrong place, wrong time.
>> But it is the truth. And so
this is where we start detaching oursel
from what's really happening. What are
the actual underlying causes? And we go
to what sounds right? How do we do the
rallying cry? Like if I had to lead
people into battle, I wouldn't be like,
"Now remember as we go down to fight
that this all comes from inflation."
Like he wouldn't do that. So, I get how
people are going to um they're going to
feel what he feels. They're going to
speak in an evocative way because it
feels so good to speak in that way to
get people rallied up.
>> And then all hope is lost because now
we're totally detached from reality.
We're at the level of what I call the
tea. It's pure emotion. We're fighting
about something that's completely
abstracted from what's really going on.
But it is the thing that feels good. It
is the narrative that is simple enough
to um spread to get everybody to uh
drink it up and then get their blood
boiling and then now we can have the
real fight that people want to have. But
it will be completely non-productive and
at the end of that fight with more
bloodshed all that people will have is
fatigue. And if people could understand
that the way that wars end is uh you
kill somebody
so much and they kill you so much that
eventually maybe one of you wins and the
other side just can't continue to fight.
But by the end of it, everybody goes,
"Whoa, this was way more horrible than I
ever could have imagined and I don't
ever want to go through that again."
>> Nobody goes, "That was dope. We had a
great time." Mhm.
>> Uh it's it is just horror from top to
bottom,
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>> Yeah. Um, I want to bring up the Joker
thing cuz I feel like this is the
mentality that a lot of people are
perpetrating that this is how we got to
this point.
>> Before you play that, let me just set
this up. So, the narrative that we're
all going to have to see through in the
coming weeks is
the left is unhinged.
>> No, the right is unhinged.
And both sides are are going to be doing
that.
>> They're missing the meta problem of a
populist moment is about teams. So,
we're dividing into us versus them
>> oversimplifying categories. So, this is
an awesome video. If you're on the
right, you're going to look at this and
be like, "Yo, 100%." But you can make
the same video showing people from the
right
>> saying a bunch of unhinged [ __ ]
>> When you miss that part, because if
you're on the right, this is going to
feel true.
>> Mhm.
>> If you flip it and show people on the
right saying all the bad things and
you're on the left, it's going to feel
true. And so now both of them are going
to have their super cuts. This is the
thing that drives me crazy about Destiny
is he's very good at reminding people
the right says unhinged [ __ ] but he
glosses over the unhinged [ __ ] that the
left says. I'm just what are you doing?
Like he's very smart. He knows it's
there. So I don't know. That's when it
always feels like Destiny steps into
spinning a narrative. Um so the very
thing that we must do to not end up
somewhere full of blood is recognize ah
everybody's being pushed onto a team.
The act of being pushed onto a team is
the problem.
>> All right. So anyway, here's a team
video for you.
>> Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans
represent an extremism that threatens
the very foundations of our republic.
Are they a threat to democracy? Yes. Are
they going to take our rights away? Yes.
Are they going to put people's lives in
danger? Yes. Are they going to endanger
the planet by not dealing with climate
change? Yes. People need to start taking
to the streets. This is a dictator. I I
I just don't even know why there aren't
uprisings all over the country. And
maybe there will be.
>> She's a genuine danger to American
security.
>> They're still going to have to go out
and put a bullet in Donald Trump.
>> Even the way he said that, he sounds
like an actor. Like that's wild. Biden
never sounded that menacing ever in all
four years, 30 years he in the uh White
House or on the Senate floor. Never
sounded that menacing until this video.
Hey,
>> there needs to be unrest in the streets
for as long as there is unrest in our
lives.
>> Have a consistent narrative about how
dangerous uh Trump is. President Biden
has been cleareyed about the threat that
the former president represents to our
democrat.
>> I will say you it is a it is unwise
>> to constantly say the other team is a
danger. They're a danger. They're a
threat. They're like Nazis. Like all
that stuff. The only thing I can see
people on the left is like, well,
they're not calling for violence.
If you say enough times that the other
team is like the worst perpetrators of
crimes in terms of what we teach young
people to be aware of and all of that
>> over and over and over and over like
eventually people are going to get the
message and be like oh these are the
like this is true evil and I always said
I was going to be the person that hid an
Frank in my attic. This is my shot. Now
obviously it is a very small number of
people that will actually take action on
it but you are creating that millia and
it is a terrible idea. It's a terrible
idea on the left. It's a terrible idea
on the right but it does happen.
>> Um yeah I I think we um landed the plane
on that video. I don't think we need to
continue to perpetrate it. Um, is this
one of those situations where we're just
going to have to let it play out?
Because
>> I mean, is there another option?
>> I will scream into a camera as much as I
possibly can explaining to people, hey,
like you're getting sucked into a
narrative. Hey, like don't be a tribal
thinker. Hey, by the way, cause and
effect is all that matters. I will try I
will do everything I can. I will try to
convince people that the world operates
on a set of rules. Those rules are
knowable. Once you understand the rules,
you can understand how people are trying
to manipulate you and therefore can
eject out of the manipulation. It is not
emotionally evocative. That's the
problem. I have long lamented that uh
saying what is true calmly and
collectedly does not get people to pay
attention. Like you need the theatrics
of it all. And I never used to break a
sweat while filming. Now I do because I
realize like I've got to deliver it in a
way that cuts through the noise. And so
I'm over here like ah freaking out and
still trying to say a very metered, very
uh middle of the road thing, but in a
way that that feels emotionally
evocative,
>> but man, like it just isn't it it is out
of alignment with
somebody whose blood is already boiling.
If their blood is already boiling, the
odds that you can get them to calm down
until they get to do their proper freak
out is very, very low. Here's Charlie
>> talking about gun violence.
You need to be very clear that you're
not going to get gun deaths to zero. It
will not happen.
>> You can significantly reduce them
>> through having more fathers in the home.
>> Yes.
>> By having more armed guards in front of
schools.
>> Yes.
Yes.
Yes. We we we should have a honest and
clear reductionist view of gun violence,
but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when
you have an armed citizenry and you
won't have a single gun death. That is
nonsense. It's dril.
>> Yeah. This this whole argument is uh I
don't know. This is a little bit
nonsensical. I don't know that we're
ever going to go anywhere with the
should we have guns, should we not have
guns debate, but the thing that I think
people are really talking about with
this is, oh, what an own goal. Like, oh,
what a fool. Like, he wasn't trying to
stop guns and he got killed by a gun.
Like, oh, I bet he wishes he had never
said that now. No, he's not going to say
that. what he like if you could
magically speak to him beyond the grave.
He's going to say something like we
you have this is what I think he would
say
>> the left is out of their minds
>> and they uh used guns to silence a
person who was nonviolent who was
debating. They didn't have any good
ideas. They couldn't meet the challenge
of the debate. And because their ideas
are so bad that there's no way they can
defend them, they had to resort to
violence. Not what the writers of the
Constitution intended with the Second
Amendment, blah blah blah. So, this does
not feel like Charlie like scoring an
own goal on himself from where I'm
sitting. And you're not going to see
anybody on the right be like, "Yo, it's
so true."
>> And yeah, I don't think it's a goal. I
think it's I'm going to paint this
picture, right? Hypothetically speaking,
let's just play. Let's just connect some
dots and see if it's emotion or if it
makes sense. Um, dot number one, Charlie
Kirk says that it's necessary certain
people will have to die in order to
maintain the Second Amendment. Yep.
>> We got to be okay with people getting
killed with guns.
>> Yep.
>> Dot number two, um, Charlie Kirk gets
killed. Uh, Charlie Kirk gets quoted
that empathy is a madeup concept. He
doesn't believe in empathy for people.
We need to talk about statistics. We
need to talk about facts.
>> I need to see that.
>> I'll bring I can bring Yeah, I can bring
up that clip, but hypothetically
speaking, again, I'm just connecting
dots. Let's say that I can pull up a
clip in two seconds that he says that
quote for quote. He gets murdered in a a
a white campus by a professional sniper.
It seems like 200 yards away. There were
armed security standing right behind
him. So, to his point, security. I don't
know about the father the fatherhood of
the father status of the killer, but
let's assume he had a father. Maybe he
didn't have a father. Okay, cool. And
then now he he passes and everybody's
expecting empathy. They're expecting uh
sympathy. And when other people don't
have that sympathy, they're now getting
villainized. So I think to say this is a
sad tragedy, it's true. It is a sad
tragedy. But when people are connecting
those dots of he was advocating that
it's okay that some people died because
of gun deaths. He got killed on a white
campus. His last words were gun vi his
last words were gang violence. And he
was killed by a white shooter. And um so
like as you're kind of putting all these
together and then now it's like he died.
He he he was always advocating for the
right thing. Now you're kind of saying
like, well, wait, two kids died on the
day he died and we're not even talking
about those two kids. Three kids died or
there was three people injured, shot, I
don't know what their status is now, the
next day because of it. Like they there
was two gun there was two mass
shootings. He got shot on the same day
of a mass shooting. Like the irony is
stacking on top on top on top on top. So
when there's certain people that when
you say like, "Hey, Charlie Kirk just
died." people are like, uh, that doesn't
make them radical left murderist. And
then to bring it back to the Matt Walsh
thing, it's not Antifa or BLM that are
driving these things. Like, so it it I'm
putting all these things on the table to
just say that yes, no parent should no
kid have to live like no parent should
um no kid should outlive their parent or
no parent should outlive their kid,
whatever the the saying is.
>> That's correct. Um, so the fact that
like his three-year-old daughter and his
wife had to see blood gushing from the
neck on the front row, deplorable,
horrible, despicable, all the right
things. Every left pre, every left
leader from AOC to Obama to um Hillary
to everybody that says we condemn the
violence. It's terrible. It's horrible.
All those things. So, as I'm linking
chain all these things, and then you
still get on, you still hear Donald
Trump saying it's a radical leftist.
This is crazy. You still hear Matt Walsh
saying we need to fight evil with evil.
You're hearing all these people calling
for violence or fighting back. We uh we
have the chance of the white people
getting white pe white men must fight
back. Like fight back against who? Where
are the where are these coming from?
Like this is the this is the type of
energy that is coming from different
sides that we're not talking about. So
I'm not saying that it's a own on
Charlie Kirk, but when MLK died, they
quoted the I have a dream speech. when
Charlie Kirk was passed. I don't know if
we're gonna quote the last five things
he said before he passed.
And I think that
>> well they're already doing that. So you
uh they're already quoting the wonderful
things that he said and the right is
100% eulogizing him in a a whitewashed
way that's going to cover up some of the
more controversial things that he said.
>> Uh so I don't know that I track that
argument, but you've said a buffet of
things before us. So, let's let's take
one dish at a time.
>> Okay,
>> so dish number one, uh a guy who says um
not even like as far as I know, this is
not like Charlie Kirk's major plank, but
has clearly talked about it before where
he said we're never going to get gun
violence to zero.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh which seems like a very
straightforward
statement of fact. We live in a world
where we have a whole lot of guns. we
have a constitutional
um mandate is not the right word. It's
enshrined in the constitution that we
have a right to bear arms.
>> So it's like well that that that is what
it is. So people are going to use this
as a um
>> a moment to talk about that we should be
rescending that or we should be putting
like really strict controls on it, you
know, whatever their takeaway is going
to be. So, if people want to use anytime
that there's gun violence as a impetus
to let's have the conversation, let's do
something sensible, fair enough. But
what I've seen with this is people using
it to mock Charlie, to laugh, to say,
see, like, all right, [ __ ] idiot.
Like, you got what you deserved, which
you'll see plenty of people saying
exactly that. Either because of his
stance on abortion, which we have a clip
on where a woman's like, I don't care
that he died. He had a different view
than I do on abortion, so [ __ ] him. uh
or because it's uh well you seem
perfectly willing to have a lot of guns
so [ __ ] you like you should get killed
with one. It's like that the level of
absurdity with that is crazy. So just
because he believes that we have a right
to bear arms does not mean that he's
saying or even that inevitably there's
going to be a certain number of people
killed by it,
>> that does not mean that he deserves to
be killed. So it's like we've got to
separate those. I'm not saying you're
saying that, but I'm saying people are
saying that. I have seen them say that
>> nobody deserves to be shot.
>> Correct. So now it's like, okay, well,
if we can separate that out and if we
can say, yeah, have the debate about gun
control, all of that.
>> But the laughing at Charlie because he
said that there's inevitably going to be
a certain number of people that die. If
that becomes like the thing that we're
talking about here, that's where I'm
like th this is people getting sucked
into the tea of it all instead of the
like real underlying issue, which just
to remind everybody is once you make
people feel economically insecure, they
get into their emotions. Once they're in
their emotions because they are afraid,
they go onto teams. Once they are on
teams, they start voting for people that
are essentially willing to fight uh
against the other side to protect their
way of life. That's the problem.
Everything else is window dressing.
>> So
have the debate about whether we want to
remove the second amendment. I mean
that's exactly what a democracy is about
if people are here for the second.
>> So but like if Charlie Kirk had said um
listen I don't think we should get rid
of cars. there's always going to be a
certain number of car deaths and then he
dies in a car accident. Would we say
that he was a [ __ ] for saying that
there should be cars? Like that just
seems like a strange
>> it is a strange argument. That is
somebody who's in an emotional place and
they want to dunk on somebody which hey
fine on that I will say Charlie you live
by the sword you die by the sword in the
sense that he liked to dunk on people
and so cool you die people are going to
dunk on you for things that that just is
what it is. Uh, but I just don't want to
see people get lost in the um the
surface level debate like get down to
the substantive part like both on gun
violence and how we want to handle that
moving forward. What do we think is the
right way to do it?
>> Uh, and on the fact that we are being
pulled under these teams with
oversimplified rhetoric and
>> I think that's where we're lost.
>> Do you think empathy people are entitled
to empathy?
Do I think people are entitled to
empathy? Uh I I think it is unwise to
approach the world from a place of
entitlement. But your life will be so
much better if you give empathy. If you
find your way to empathizing with the
people that you disagree with the most,
your life will be so much better.
Empathy is a connective like it triggers
a neurochemical cascade that makes you
feel love and connection uh for your
fellow man and that is a very good place
to be. Uh so I don't like to use the
word entitled but I think that empathy
is insanely powerful. Start from that.
>> Next super chat from Mr. G. Chase Hughes
just released a video walking through
how division is being propagated amongst
all of us. We are all being played with
tribalism. Get to the middle and stop
claiming his side. Model your values and
stand for them.
>> Well, that sounds perfect to me. So,
yeah, I agree aggressively. Now, I don't
know who Chase is, uh, but that
certainly sounds like u
Yeah.
>> Oh, right. Right. Okay. Yeah, I got a
clip if I met him or not. But
>> the minute that your ideas require
violence to enforce or spread, they're
already completely bankrupt. Every
tyrant, every failed ideology, every
social collapse starts the exact same
way. The debate dies, then violence
takes the place of debate. And you can't
argue with a gun. You can only kill with
it. And when killing is the substitute
for a conversation, society as a whole
starts falling off a cliff. We all have
been sold the biggest con of our entire
life. And this is that the problem is
left versus right or Republicans versus
Democrats. And that is the certain
fireworks show that they want us
screaming about while they're doing
something else. This is a magician's
trick. And I'm about to really show you
what Charlie, God rest his soul, has
kind of exposed here. If you turned on
cable news today, maybe you scroll
social media, what are you going to see?
The absolute fringe. They're going to
show you the loudest, dumbest, most
cartoonish people from the other side
blasted in your face 24/7. You're not
being shown your neighbor or your
coworker or the mom next door who votes
differently. You're being shown a bunch
of professional lunatics.
I
>> think he's wrong about that. So, I think
people want this to be a little more
fringe than it is. So, Chase and I
aggressively agree on the fact that we
are being pulled onto tribes, but to
call it a magician's trick is probably a
little misleading. It is the way that
your brain is wired. We are hardwired to
do this. And that has been triggered via
the economic uncertainty. And so this
goes back to the spark versus the
kindling. The kindling has been being
laid down since basically 1971.
We go off the gold standard. We start
inflating the money supply like mad. Uh
it starts killing the American dream. Uh
and a whole host of other policies.
Obviously when I talk about that I'm
oversimplifying something. But
>> uh that starts laying down all this
kindling. And now as we get into the
deeper and deeper innings of people
feeling economically insecure, they are
tribing up because the anger gives them
the certainty. So as a PSA, I will
remind everybody that uh they did a
study where they put electrodes in
people's brains and they poked around on
the different emotions. So love, lust,
um joy
and anger. And it was more than that,
but you get the idea. And they then
asked the people, "Hey, of all the
emotions that I just triggered in you,
which one do you want me to trigger
again?" And it was anger.
>> Wow.
>> So, I know that shocks people, but there
is something so intoxicating about the
moral certainty that comes with being
angry. When you're angry, you know
you're right. You know what to do. You
know how to move forward. It is a sense
of superiority that the thing you have
been agrieved so much that you have a
right to like go after that person and
that level of certainty feels so good.
And so what's promised to people in a
populous moment is certainty. It is
hyper oversimplified. It is uh
aggressive in nature. It is punitive in
nature. And all of that feels awesome. I
am the good guy. They are the bad guy. I
have every right to go after them, to
pursue them. And if you can get people
to feel like that, oh my god, like they
love it the most. This is why people use
fear and anger. Fear is, I must solve
this problem. I must learn what is
causing this. What is going on? So
people pay attention.
>> Anger is, ah, I know what's wrong and
now I'm [ __ ] going after it. So yeah,
beware. But this is not like a big
bamboozle that's being played by
politicians. This is coming from the
economic uncertainty that puts people
into their emotions because they are
afraid and then they team up to get that
certainty that they crave so much.
That's the loop. But it's nature that
played that trick on you. Taking it now
to the economy since we've been talking
about it. The jobs report came in. Um so
this is the uh weekly estimate of
unemployment benefits going out.
Economists forecasted 253,000 but claims
jumped up to 263. This is the largest
jump in seven years, I want to say, or 7
months, excuse me. Um, I don't want to
say that this is damning and this means
the economy is on fire. But add that to
the 900 900,000 revision. Add that to
the S&P being uh negative if you take
out six companies. And I'm Oracle has to
be a seventh now after their crazy day
um yesterday. $83 billion in one day.
The single biggest gain,
>> bro.
>> He made $83 billion and then told his
son, "Go buy uh HBO." We going to talk
about that next. Um, crazy. Um, crazy.
But with the economy seeming like it's
on its last legs, um, is this job report
kind of moved the needle for you? Um,
>> uh, so it it certainly hasn't changed my
vision of what the economy is. I have
been saying for quite some time that I
think that the economy is really in
trouble. You want to talk about things I
hate being right about. Uh, I hate being
right about the fact that I've been
saying for a while that we're going to
break violent in America. And hey, here
we are breaking violent in America. Look
at that. And how many people said the
Tom's overreacting? like, "Oh my god,
like he's just doing this for drama."
No. When you look at the patterns of
history, things start to make a lot of
sense. When you are grounded in you're
having a biological experience, there
are knowable things about the physics of
the way human mind works. There's
knowable things about the physics of
economies. It's like you're never going
to get it 100% right, but damn, you can
be directionally correct. And I'm
telling you from a directional
correctness, the economy is in trouble.
How do I know? Because any economy with
this debt to GDP ratio is in a bad
place. And despite the fact that some
people will try to tell you it's a
nothing burger, it is a one-way street
to death and despair from an economy
standpoint. So, uh, you either back out
of that debt to GDP problem, or you
accept that over some unfortunately
unknown period of time, 5 years, 50
years, 100, I don't know, but over some
period of time that unfortunately isn't
hundreds of years, uh, you're going to
implode. That's not a maybe. This is
mathematical certainty. It's
mathematical certainty. And humans are
extraordinarily bad at looking at
something where the math is simply the
following. Uh if you are in a submarine
and you are at the bottom of the
Mariana's Trench and you only have 4
hours of oxygen and the human body can
only go whatever the record is, 17
minutes, 21 minutes without oxygen. And
that's for somebody who's hyperrained.
When you get to 4 and 1/2 hours,
everyone's dead. Like that's the physics
of the situation. The economy is the
same. You you cannot just keep stacking
debt. Why? Because to pay that debt off,
you will have to print money. When you
print money, you devalue your currency.
When you hit a certain point of
devaluing your currency, nobody will
invest in you anymore. When you can't
get investments anymore, you stop
growing. That those are the physics of
money.
>> People want to somehow believe that we
are immune to the physics of money. We
are not. I will remind everybody, and I
know I say this guy's name a lot, but
Ray Dallio built the largest hedge fund
in the world simply by recognizing
better than anybody else exactly where a
given country was at any one time in the
big debt cycle.
So nothing about this job report changes
my mind about where the economy is
because the economy is moving through
the six phases of the debt cycle. This
is inevitable. So it merely makes it
apparent that we are going to have to
lower rates, that t