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New information is out on Charlie Kirk's
assassin, including a text message
confession. The UK has massive protests
against immigration. Elon Musk tells
Britain that if they don't fight for
their values, they'll die. Pam Bondi has
decided to play a gotcha card, promising
to target people for hate speech.
Destiny said that Republicans need to be
afraid of getting killed so they'll turn
the temperature down. And in financial
news, a Fed cut is expected today and
the S&P just hit an all-time high. Let's
jump into the what we do know. Okay, the
text message exchange from Tyler
Robinson and what is alleged his
transsexual roommate have been released.
Um, there has been some uh split uh
feelings about these text messages
simply because it sounds like he's being
very on the nose. But I will read it for
you guys. I'll let you guys do it for
you. Want to do a table read with me,
Tom?
>> Let's do it.
>> Do you want to be Robinson or the
roommate?
>> Um, I'll be Robinson.
>> Okay, I got you.
>> All right, here we go. Uh, drop what
you're doing. Look under my keyboard.
>> You're joking, right?
>> Uh, I am still okay, my love. Shouldn't
be long until I can come home. But I got
to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I
had hoped to keep this secret till I
died of old age. I'm sorry to involve
you. By the way, if you zoom in a little
bit, I won't read so slowly. You weren't
the only one who did it, right?
>> I am. I am. I'm sorry.
>> I thought they caught the person.
>> No, they grabbed some crazy old dude
that interrogated someone in similar
clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle
from my drop point shortly after, but
most of that side of town got locked
down. It's quiet. Almost enough to get
out, but there's one vehicle lingering.
>> Why?
>> Why did I do it? I I had had enough of
his hatred. Some hate can be negotiated.
Some hate can't be negotiated out. If
I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will
have left no evidence. Going to attempt
to retrieve it again. Hopefully, they
have moved on. I haven't seen anything
about them finding it. How long have you
pl Have you been planning this?
>> A bit over a week, I believe. Uh, I can
get close to it, but there is a squad
car parked right by it. I think they
already swept that spot, but I don't
want to chance it. I'm wishing I had
circled back and grabbed it as soon as I
got my vehicle. I'm worried what my old
man would do if I didn't bring back
Grandpa's rifle. Not, sorry, this is an
aside. Not about me killing somebody.
Just worried what I do with grandpa's
rifle. Uh, I deck. I don't even know.
Uh, if I had a ser if it had a serial
number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I
worry about Prince. I had to leave it in
a bush where I changed outfits. Uh, I
might have to abandon it and hope they
don't find Prince. How the f will I
explain losing it to my old man? Only
thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a
towel. Remember how he remember how he
was engraving bullets? The F in
messages. The F in messages are mostly a
big meme. If I see notice bulge, oo on
Fox News, I might have a stroke. All
right, I'm going to have to leave it.
That really effing sucks. Judging from
today, I'd say Grandpa's Gun does just
fine. I don't know. I think that was a
2K dollar scope. Delete this exchange.
My dad wants photos of the rifle. He
says, "Grandpa wants to know uh who has
what. The feds released a photo of the
rifle, and it is very unique. He's
calling me right now, not answering
since Trump got into office. My dad has
been pretty diehard mega. I'm going to
turn myself in willingly. One of my
neighbors here is a deputy for the
sheriff. Again, you and I, you are all I
worry about, love. Don't take any
interviews or make any comments. If any
police ask you questions, ask for a
lawyer and stay silent."
>> Scene.
>> All right. as uh a screenwriter,
this is not at all how people talk. I
know nothing about this. Look, it is
entirely possible that this is all just
completely above board and 100% legit,
but this is the weirdest way to
communicate I've ever seen in my life.
If a uh if a young writer gave me
dialogue like that to read, I would say,
"No one talks like this." Uh also, I
would say, "Listen, you've got a
character. He just shot somebody. He's
going to be frantic. There's going to be
an urgency to the way that he
communicates. And this is like somebody
who's completely calm, has all the time
in the world. It's just so jarring. So,
I don't know what to make of it. I I put
this in the spreadsheet as like join me
in wearing a tinfoil hat.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't
know. It's just weird. It's just weird.
>> Yeah. And there was a tweet that you
brought up that actually kind of broke
it down. Um, this is by Rothbard 197.
>> Yeah. When I saw this, I felt so seen. I
was like, "Okay, I'm not the only one.
>> I try not to be a conspiracy theorist,
but I have a really hard time believing
in a short text exchange, the alleged
shooter, makes his confession, confirms
location of the weapon, confirms the
type of weapon, confirms it's wrapped in
a towel, confirms his motive, exonerates
the decoy, admits the bullying
engravings, confirms the wardrobe
change, confirms how long he's been
playing it, disclosed
pre-written confession note, randomly
tells his boyfriend that his dad is Die
Hard Maga, as if it wouldn't already
known given the nature of their
relationship. That's a big one for me. I
know.
>> And is worried about his dad grandpa
being upset if he doesn't come home with
the rifle, not the fact that he just
used it to commit a murder. Not to
mention a 202y old terminally online
zoomer using phrases like squad car,
drop point, swept the area, my vehicle
till I died of old age, my old man. I'm
sorry, I just don't believe it. Also
like I worry about you love seemed a
little bit like oh too. I don't
>> like
>> that one didn't I guess
my teeth on edge. Like I could see
talking to Lisa like that. I still do
talk to Lisa like that in fairness. So,
I don't know that that didn't bother me.
But the rest was so weird just from a
flow of conversation.
It's just bizarre.
>> It's just bizarre. I don't know, man.
Listen, the somebody Let me not be
unclear. Tyler shot uh Charlie Kirk. So,
this is already weird. This is already
hyperdramatic. And of course, things are
going to spiral out of control. people
are going to have every conspiracy under
the sun. Uh so I certainly don't want to
go that far. But the Texas exchange is
just bizarre. Even if all I've just
learned is that uh to be in the mind
state to murder somebody like you've got
to put your head in the most bizarre
place ever. And so you are no longer
>> engaging with the stimulus around you in
a normal way. Fine. I I don't need to
say that like the tweet that we just
read suggests that there's something
fishy here. It's just so bizarre.
Perfectly happy to take this as a
revelation that uh he was
distressingly calm at a time where he
should have been heightened and wasn't.
Uh and that ends up being the takeaway.
But woof, very weird.
>> Yeah. And Scott Jennings tweeted after
this that first the left tried to
convince us the man who killed Charlie
Kirk was a conservative. That failed.
Now we're seeing multiple attempts to
frame this as some transgender love
story. Enough. It's time to accept the
glaring truth that is staring in you
right in the face.
>> By the way, is that Montel Williams?
>> That is Montel Williams. Wow.
>> Talking about a love torn child, a kid.
This is probably his first real
relationship and somebody was
disparaging the person that he loved.
>> Pause it for a second.
>> He sat on that. Th if anyone has ever
wondered what I mean by frame of
reference, this is what I mean by frame
of reference. Like be charitable for a
second to Montel Williams and that he is
not trying to fake people out that he's
really telling you what he believes.
>> The way that he the this the information
is going into his brain in a way and
it's fractling off of all the things
that he believes and it doesn't matter
what you look at, it matters what you
see and all that stuff. And what outputs
is this
extremely charitable interpretation of
this is a lovelororn kid and he feels
judged and he the person he loves the
most in the world is being attacked and
so he waited until they said trans and
it just felt so triggered that he had to
kill him.
What? The way that this information hits
my brain is so [ __ ] different that
I'm like, yo, th this is where honestly
I am utterly convinced that my way of
interpreting this is the right way. But
this is a potent reminder that we all
see the world so differently. It is
crazy that when I say this is a roar
shack test, this is what I'm talking
about. Now, there are going to be some
people that are just truly bad faith
actors. They are just trying to
manipulate you, James Burnham. They are
trying to control the narrative. They
want you, they know they can manipulate
what you see. And so they're going to
like redefine things. They're going to
point you in a different direction. And
they know some people are going to
follow them along. But even if
>> you just go,
>> this is how the human mind works. We're
going to watch two world views right now
collide.
So yeah, play it on
>> for 30 minutes before he took the shot.
Why did he wait until the first word
trans came up? Then he took the shot.
>> You think he heard it? You could he
could hear it.
>> I think he could hear it. I think he
also I don't believe he was motivated
politically. I think this was motivated
emotionally.
>> Yes.
>> Act.
So I'm not saying 100% like you 100%
have emotion. Like this kid has allowed
his thinking to derange to the point
where he really believes it is okay to
kill somebody for what they think, not
what they do, what they think,
you're encountering my worldview. Uh but
holy Jesus, like if you are trying to
say, "Oh, maybe this isn't as bad as we
think." This is like the Luigi Manion
stuff that that to me is also just
disgusting in the highest order. If you
have allowed yourself to dehumanize
other people to the point where you're
like, "Yeah, but I don't like what he
was doing from a business perspective
and he's causing people to die through
his policies and so literally murder him
on the street."
Wow. Crazy. The evidence here is
overwhelming.
He said, "Charlie Kirk, I can't stand
this hate anymore. I'm going to take him
out."
He the testimony from his and the
statements of his family, he had become
more leftwing.
He etched the statements that are made
by the left about Republicans and
conservatives and Charlie Kirk fascist
on the bullet casings.
>> He made a joke about it in his last
text.
>> Well, it doesn't sound like a joke to me
because someone's dead and about to be
buried. So, it doesn't sound like a joke
to me. So, so I'm just telling you
>> there is an effort. There was an effort
all weekend long on the left to try to
make this guy sound like he was a
conservative. That failed. That was
passed around all over the weekend. That
has now failed. The evidence has now
come out. He was motivated by hate. He
was motivated by left-wing radicalism.
He got mixed up with some trans ideology
in his life. We'll learn more about
that, I'm sure, when more evidence and
testimony comes out. We are looking
around the edges of this for something
other than what's staring us in the
face. left-wing radicalism got this kid.
He went up to a roof and he murdered our
friend and that's what happened.
>> Uh I actually think Scott Jennings
breakdown of that is accurate. Left-wing
radicalism uh seems to be early days.
Maybe more will come out, but by the
telling that we have right now, that is
perfectly plausible. This kid grew up in
a mega household, became radicalized
when he went to college on uh left-wing
trans ideology, and decides this guy has
to go. That read makes perfect sense to
me. Where I start derailing on the right
is that they cannot see that that
Charlie has
they're either using Charlie as cover to
now start doing the same thing in the
opposite direction or they can't see
that Charlie's put them so deeply in
their emotions that now it just feels
completely justified to start saying the
same thing to other people. We're gonna
show a clip later or a tweet I think it
was uh where Elon just straight says the
left is evil and it's like ah that that
is exactly the same as calling Trump
Hitler. And if you get the entire right
just droning on now for years that the
left is evil, like they're all
radicalized, you can't negotiate with
them, which is things that um were
coming out of JD Vance's mouth. It's
going to have the same effect. So, it's
like a little self-awareness, please,
boys and girls, so that somebody can
pump the brakes on this. All right, we
got the JD Vance clip pulled up. Let's
hit it.
There is no unity with people who scream
at children over their parents'
politics. There is no unity with someone
who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in
order to excuse his murder. There is no
unity with someone who harasses an
innocent family the day after the father
of that family lost a dear friend. There
is no unity with the people who
celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination.
And there is no unity with the people
who fund these articles, who pay the
salaries of these terrorist
sympathizers, who argue that Charlie
Kirk, a loving husband and father,
deserved a shot to the neck because he
spoke words with which they disagree.
Did you know that the George Soros Open
Society Foundation and the
>> Before we get into the NGO stuff? So the
NGO stuff I think is really powerful. I
just did an interview with Mike Benz.
Shout out to Drew for locking that down.
Uh, incredible. Mike Benz's work is
fascinating. Early days, I need to find
people that challenge him directly to
make sure that I'm not latching on to
one frame of reference, one mental map.
Uh, but he has so much internal logic
and it really does point to NGOs's being
wildly problematic. We'll set that aside
for now. So, getting into what JD Vance
is saying here. Now, the fascinating
thing for me is that JD Vance is right.
You can't unify with people that are
unhinged, deranged, running up to you,
screaming at your kids, you know, like
that's somebody that you can't reason
with. My beef is that if you now start
making blanket statements about the left
is evil, the left is impossible, we
can't unify with them, now you're just
ratcheting up the rhetoric of left
versus right, it's politically
expedient, but it sacrifices the country
in the long term. And um man, I will
just invite everybody, if you can hear
my voice right now, please start
benchmarking us off of China. China is
your real threat. And if we tear
ourselves apart from the inside, we
leave ourselves vulnerable to being
overtaken even just economically by
China. And so we so don't have our eyes
in the right prize. And if I'm like in
China Chinese right now, I am
celebrating. This is awesome.
>> And I'm just like, "Yeah, cool. our
biggest uh global competitor has a
problem. And so we're going to be able
to leverage that to um run the table and
great, we'll be in a position of power.
And so I think people do not have an
accurate mental map of global politics.
They don't have an accurate mental map
of what it means for America to fall. Uh
and so people are wasting time.
not even wasting time. They're playing a
hyper dangerous game of weaken America
from the inside thinking that nothing
bad is going to happen from the outside.
It's completely wild. So, um yeah, boys
and girls, as certainly we as a
community march forward, obviously
you've heard me talk about this
endlessly and I will continue to talk
about it more and more and more. Uh
there will be regional moments where it
seems like it's wise to take our eyes
off of us on the global stage with
China. That is eternally unwise. We need
to understand what is the outcome that
we want with China. What does
coexistence with China look like? Uh
what does holding firm in our sphere of
influence? Because I think we've already
lost in terms of um the unipolar global
dominance that we had. I think that game
is over. And so now it just becomes a
question of how far are we willing to
let ourselves slide down. And when we
reinforce the left versus right, when
we're focused on that, when we get
sucked into all of the ideology, when we
watch the division inside of America
just ramp up, ramp up, ramp up, um, you
need to think of that as like, okay, we
are a prize fighter and we're sitting on
the couch, we're eating a bunch of
nachos, uh, yelling at our spouse,
drinking a bunch of beer, and it's like,
and then in China, it's like they're
training, they are lean, mean, fighting
machine.
So, yeah, I think it's going to be hard
for me to get people to step back and
view this thing from 30,000 ft and
really look at the international
politics of it all. Uh, but this is how
empires fall. And so, it is just
accelerating, man. It's insane.
>> Yes, Cody, the fourth turning.
>> The group funded that disgusting article
justifying Charlie's death. Do you know
they benefit from generous tax
treatment? They are literally subsidized
by you and me, the American taxpayer.
And how do they reward us? By setting
fire to the house built by the American
family over 250 years. I am desperate
for our country to be united in
condemnation of the actions and the
ideas that killed my friend. I want it
so badly that I will tell you a
difficult truth. We can only have it
with people who acknowledge that
political violence is unacceptable and
when we work to dismantle the
institutions that promote violence and
terrorism in our own country.
And then Elon retweeted that saying,
"Unity is impossible with evil fanatics
who celebrate murder."
>> There we go.
>> Yeah,
>> there we go. So, yeah. Yeah. Now, if
they could say, listen, this is a very
small number of people on the left. I do
not blanket statement this across the
aisle, uh there, you know, we need to
work together to create a pro-America,
positive, solid America, good for all
Americans agenda. I would have less less
beef with it. But that definitely is not
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>> All right, let's head over to the UK and
talk about that Tommy Robinson protest.
>> Let's go, Tommy.
>> This was kind of like a promo video.
They dropped through this like this pan.
Like, it's still going. It's still
going, dude. It's still going.
>> That's wild that they try to call that
120. Jesus Christ.
>> It's still going. Like, that's smacked,
yo.
>> Oh. And I don't even bang with Toby
Robinson like that, but you can't like
it's not like Trump had four chairs and
try to say it's the biggest crowd ever.
Like that's a he packed that thing out.
>> That is wild.
>> Yeah. And then I have the Elon quote um
that he said that he they had him on a
jumbotron during the protest.
>> Violence is going to come to you.
You will have no choice.
This is a this is you're you're in a
fundamental situation here. Whether you
where
>> whether you choose violence or not,
violence is coming to you. You either
fight back or you die.
>> You either
>> either fight back or you die. Somebody
should send this to Matt Walsh so he
could get fired from his company.
>> Yeah.
>> This is where we get into again if
somebody wanted to use my own words
against me. Um,
while I think Elon was strangely
performative in this, and I wouldn't
focus I wouldn't focus people on the
like fight or die thing, but I will say
values is where you have to make a
stand. Um,
yeah. So, anyway, be careful with your
immigration policy, everybody. And I
mean everybody around the world, just be
careful with your immigration policy. uh
it immigration is a values vote and if
you're not careful with that you're
gonna have a problem and so we're we're
seeing it play out all over Europe. It's
really really
>> and that was the purpose cuz I I got
mixed reviews on whether it was
anti-immigration or free speech but I
feel like it was immigration and not
like a free speech.
>> What he was talking about there in that
moment was very specifically about
anti-immigration. Got it. But through
when you play the longer thing he talks
about both. So, he talks about free
speech. Um,
it might have been from him that I heard
the 30 people a day stat. Don't quote me
on that. I I don't remember clearly.
>> Uh, but yeah, they they talked about
both.
>> Yeah. Um, I know immigration is kind of
your hill to die on. Um, you just did
some international travel with the
family and kind of coming back, you
you've seen the collision of values kind
of up close. Do you think the UK is
really like on a timeline where like
>> UK is really on a timeline?
>> You and Lisa's favorite spot is now all
Muslimmed out and it's just a bunch of
dudes and black.
>> It's not like that. And we weren't in
England. We were in other parts of
Europe. But um
>> this is from a uh what did I see on the
ground and witness uh in Italy? My big
takeaway was a collision of values
between me and Italians, not whatever
collision Italians have within like if
they've got a Muslim problem.
>> Um, that's that's a totally different
question. So, from a specific this trip,
what was my conclusion? It it was the um
they used to do cool [ __ ] they don't do
cool [ __ ] anymore, and you can feel it.
>> Uh, and so as an American, I hated that.
Uh, and at the same time, I was like,
"Oh, I get it." because like everybody
here is like super chill and so as a
place to go on vacation and have like
some coffee and get a nice pizza it was
dope. Um are those the trade-offs that I
want to make? Absolutely not. Is that my
value system? Aggressively not.
>> Uh so but like everybody should get they
Italy should be able to run Italy the
way they want to run Italy. Like I I'm
not going to go there and impose my
values. What I'm saying is when you look
at the UK or you look at the US,
everybody is going to have to answer a
question and that is given that
demographics are destiny.
What do you do when you are either just
flooding your system with a bunch of
people full stop uh that may or may not
share your values? And then what do you
do when you flood your system with a
group of people that don't share your
values and their birth rate is much
higher than yours? This is the UK's
problem. Now, we need to fact check what
I'm about to say, but I'm pretty sure
the following stat is correct. 40% of
school age children in the UK are
Muslim. Now, if that's true, it doesn't
take a genius to figure out that as
older
native, as they call them, British
people die off, they're going to be
replaced by uh Muslims. So, it's like
that is what it is. And if that's what
you want as a country, great. You got
it. And the reason that I say in
America, the reason that we've been able
to get away with our unhinged
immigration policy for as long as we did
is we were importing Catholics. And so
given that we have an undercurrent of
Christianity despite not being a
theological state, it is very obvious to
anybody paying attention that we are
built on top of a Christian ethos. Even
somebody like myself who is not
religious, I'm fully aware that I have
embibed a lot of Christian values. So
when you import a bunch of people from a
different country, different skin color,
but they have the same value set, it
doesn't create the problem. It's when
you start importing people, they can be
the same skin color. It doesn't [ __ ]
matter. What matters is what are they
willing to fight and die for? And when
you're both willing to fight and die for
different things, you now have a
problem. And so that's what we're
watching play out in Europe.
>> That stat coming in from Gemini, it says
that it's actually closer to 6.7%.
Okay.
>> Um the actual figures for Muslim share
of the school population are closer to
8.1 in 2021 according to the Muslim
Council of Britain. Um and the last UK
census was 2021.
>> Okay. So I'll have to figure out what
unhinged thing I came across that either
was just an outright lie uh or I'm
misremembering something. But this is
why we fact check. So, thank you for
that. Uh, so,
>> um, somebody in the in the comments
asks,
>> "How how long do you think it would take
like gut check? What do you think the
timeline is for them?"
>> Cuz you said earlier that it's a matter
of time.
>> That's a math question. I don't have the
easy answer, but round
>> until they become the majority.
Basically, that's when it's
>> round it to you can run the math. Like
if you ask uh Grock Chad GBT given the
birth rate discrepancy in the UK over
what period of time uh will um people of
British descent become the minority?
It'll give you an answer off the top of
my head. I don't know but it's not
short. I mean it's going to be 30 50
years something like that because you've
got to have one you have to figure out
what rate are you expecting more people
to come into the country at what rate
are what are the birth rate differences
and then what are the death rates. Uh
and so that is uh it'll be measured in
decades. It's not like this is oh my god
it's gonna happen in five years. Uh
that's not it. But if you don't decide
on your immigration policy now then at
least with my value system because I'm
not for we've got to get people that
have come here legally get them out. I
don't like that. Like if you let people
into your country they uprooted they
move there. Like hey they're there. Uh,
so I get that some people are going to
feel differently, but not me.
>> Rough estimates based off current
protections given current trends as
reported by ONS and other demographers
and assuming similar migration fertility
rates. Many projections
suggest that the share of white British
people or people with only UK born
parents and somebody increased it so it
messed me up. There it is. Depending on
definition, will fall under 50%
somewhere mid 211st century. So likely
around 2060s.
>> Okay. So yeah, a little more than 30
years.
>> Four. Yeah, four decades under these
trajectories.
>> Yeah, that sounds about right.
>> Yeah.
>> So, uh yeah, people are asking like if
that number changes my opinion, not at
all. So, this is a question of
what do you want to
be the trajectory of your country? If
you are um hey, we will take in refugees
from anywhere in the world. Anybody can
come here. That's your right.
uh people should run their country the
way that they want to run their country.
What I'm trying to get people to look at
is that that will have consequences.
It's not what I want, but I don't
believe that I should be a dictator
anywhere. So, everybody should vote the
way that they want to vote. Um I want to
see my value system continue to go on as
I imagine most people want to see their
value system continue to move on. But if
their value system is simply, hey,
countries uh should have their borders
wide open and they're looking at the
consequences of that with their eyes
wide open, great. But it feels like we
are playing the suicidal empathy game
where we're acting as if there are only
first order consequences. There's no
second and third order consequences. So
that's where I'm like, okay, this just
seems very weird. I'm not sure what
logic people are tracking. So, if I am
wrong about the number, this was just me
not running the math because my
assumption was that it was going to take
somewhere between 30 and 50 years. We
just saw it's going to take roughly 35
to 40 years. Uh, so in terms of the rate
at which I thought this was going to
happen was bang on. The percent is off.
I'm glad that we have updated
percentages because there's no reason to
um be thinking from wrong facts. But I'm
talking about the second and third order
consequences. Period.
>> I'm getting a couple questions. It's the
same question over and over. what are
their values? What are the immigrant
values? Somebody said,
>> well, it's going to be different for
every immigrant, but if you're looking
at um so let's be careful to
differentiate between Muslim and
Islamist. So if a Muslim comes in and
they want to be secular, no beef with
that. Great. You're part of a secular
society, you're moving to another
secular country, no problem. If you have
an Islamist who is they want Sharia law
or even just want to enshrine religion
in the government, now we've got a
problem. So you can round Islamist to
Sharia law. I am certainly not somebody
that's going to be able to give you an
intelligent breakdown of Sharia law. Uh
that's why my stance isn't pro or
anti-Muslim Islamist. My thing is this
is a question of a collision of values.
If you've got your eyes wide open,
you're like, "Yeah, we understand and
that's exactly how we want to move."
Well, great.
>> Uh, but what I'm saying with what's
going on in the UK is that are people
who feel alienated from a values
perspective, that don't feel like
they're being listened to. They took to
the streets for a reason. They feel some
type of way. Now, if you're mapping them
to racism, I believe that you are
misunderstanding the problem. I believe
that the second people have different
races but the same religion, boom, they
get along instantly. They get along like
a house on fire, they suddenly realize
like if even if they thought they were
racist, they suddenly realize, wait, we
love the same God. I'm way more into
this person than the person who looks
like me but hates my God, I'll take that
bet a [ __ ] thousand times out of a
thousand. Somebody will have way more
love, camaraderie, connection with
somebody who shares their values, their
religion, than they will over and
doesn't look like them than they will
over somebody who does look like them
but hates their god. Like that's wild.
Like look back at history. How many
Irish people had to kill other Irish
people before you realize this is not
about race?
>> It's about values. It's about values.
Values. Values.
>> All of human history, people kill people
that look just like them. The French,
we're killing the English. The English,
we're killing the French. They're as
white as can be.
>> Tom, I I understand that, but you're
assuming that these people have
different values cuz you can't you can't
see.
>> Collision happens when you have
different values. So, it's not even like
an assumption. It's like what's the
thing that's access to resources or
values? Those are your options.
>> So, like Germans killed the [ __ ] out of
a whole bunch of white Russians. Again,
I'm I'm taking I'm taking the religious
the race and all that stuff out here,
but
>> but I'm saying I see comments saying
that I'm racist and I'm like, people are
going to be confused because they think
I'm talking about race and I'm not. I'm
not even talking about race at a
functional level. So, when people start
making this about race, I'm like, Jesus,
I want to ram my head through a wall
because I'm like, you're going to mess
this up if if forget me, whatever. I I
am a small voice in a very large world.
Mhm.
>> If people have this discussion at the
level of race, they will mishandle the
fundamental question that Europe is
being asked to confront right now today
that America will be asked to confront
moving forward.
>> And that is how do we determine who to
let into the country?
>> Do we make that determination borders
wide open? Do we make that determination
based on you're good for business? Do we
make that determination based on values?
You're going to have to answer that
question because values are the thing
that hold the country together. In fact,
the left and the right are heating up. I
don't think that's about race. I think
that's about people have different
values. So anyway, uh it is so easy for
people to talk about race and not
values.
>> Let's talk about it. So free speech has
been a hot button issue I would say
since before the election. Some people
champion Elon Musk for saving free
speech by buying Twitter, bringing back
off quote unquote canceled people such
as Nick Fuentes, such as Donald Trump,
etc. Um, now um there has been a shift
in free speech and let's take it from
the beginning and we'll walk through
this. So this is Pam Bondi um speaking
about how they're going to prosecute
those that are speaking ill of um
Charlie Kirk's assassination. There's
free speech and then there's hate speech
and there is no place
>> you can pause it there. Uh that just
isn't true. So from a legal framework
that isn't true and I don't understand
anybody's impulse that's like look you
can say anything you want
>> except for things I disagree with. M
It's like the very point of free speech
is for people to be able to say the
things that you find most despicable as
long as they're within the bounds of
what the Supreme Court has already ruled
on, which is the easy one to talk about
is incitement to violence. So I I just I
I don't understand. Do we have the
Charlie Kirk
>> one? Okay, let her finish. But I want to
pull that up because it was like for all
these people to be saying this in
Charlie's name uh and then Charlie has
spoken very directly about this exact
thing. It's wild
>> now. Especially after what happened to
Charlie in our society.
>> Do you see more law enforcement going
after these groups who are using hate
speech and putting cuffs on people so we
show them that some action is better
than no action? We will absolutely
target you. go after you if you are
targeting anyone with hate speech,
anything. And that's across the aisle.
There's free speech and then there's
>> Yep. So that's her. And then here is the
um tweet from Charlie Kirk himself. Hate
speech does not exist legally in
America. There's ugly speech, there's
gross speech, there's evil speech, and
all of it is protected by the First
Amendment. Keep America free.
>> There it is. There it is. Yeah. This is
uh the nice thing about social media is
even posumously people can go find out
what your thoughts were on a subject. Uh
so yeah, I I agree. I am very saddened
to see this erode. If you look at the
UK, you get a glimpse of what it looks
like when you don't have freedom of
speech. The UK arrests
30 people a day for things that they say
online.
>> Mhm.
>> What?
>> Crazy,
>> dude. That is nuts. That's tyranny. Like
I don't understand why people want that.
So, uh I believe people should have the
right to say there are obviously you
can't defame people. Uh you can't incite
to violence. Those are great. I love
that this is not I'm not a free speech
absolutist. I walk up close to the line.
But and that means that people have to
be able to say things that I despise. So
I don't understand when people have the
impulse. it is not effective to have the
impulse to want to shut people down
because that tool will be used against
you. Instead, go debate. This is what
makes Charlie's death so tragic is he
was the guy that was willing to roll up
anywhere and debate people. And seeing
how many hours this guy has of like just
walking people through his takes. Again,
not all of his takes were good by my
estimation, but you can't deny that he
was willing to roll up, let anybody walk
to the microphone. He would say,
"Whoever disagrees with me, come to the
front." He didn't want people glazing
him. So, it's like, who are the people
that disagree? Let's have a
conversation. Now, you can say that,
look, Charlie goes to universities and
so you're gonna find people that are
less able to argue and blah blah blah.
But, nonetheless, he was going into the
public square and saying, "Hey, come
debate me on any topic you want. Try to
convince me. I'll try to convince you."
And so, that to me is the right response
when somebody says something that you
hate. When somebody says something that
you think is despicable. So, hey, let's
talk about both Destiny and Elon. I
think their interactions with each other
are ridiculous. I think that Destiny has
said things completely unhinged in his
most recent Piers Morgan thing. It's not
the first time Destiny has said [ __ ]
that's unhinged. But I would rather have
a conversation about, okay, why? What?
Like, how is that advancing your cause?
Now, he has an argument for it. I don't
agree with it, but he's got an argument.
So, you can end up debating that thing
rather than saying like he should be
cancelled. kick him off. I don't want to
hear him say that. I think Elon outright
called for his arrest if I'm not
mistaken. Now, there is an argument to
be made that he called for direct
violence against Republicans. And hey,
by all means, let a court of law look at
it.
>> Direct violence perfect
and they'll be like, "Hey, no worries."
But that like I'm saying let the already
established laws handle incitement to
violence and then we can get a ruling on
that and if people think that's like the
lightning rod issue that they want to
see debated then it will go all the way
to the Supreme Court and we'll see like
what's the new ruling. But this as long
as we're making blanket policies and we
say okay we've got incitement to
violence is not good. We have a case
where people are saying this either is
or is not incitement to violence and
then what do we want to see?
But the like overwhelming impulse that
people seem to have to want to shut
people down the instant that they say
something they don't agree with is wild.
And have you seen Matt Taibbe talk about
Elon? I was completely unaware of this
until yesterday. Mhm.
>> So Matt Taibbe, who I thought was like
bros with Elon, is like Elon has a weird
relationship with free speech and that
was
>> Did he say that's why I couldn't work on
X exclusively?
He he certainly left me with that
impression. It's maybe I misread. I want
to be I want to leave that space. But I
was shocked to hear that. He was like,
"Oh, no, no, no. Elon for sure
shadowbands people on X." I was like,
"Damn."
>> Yeah. When people were coming at him for
faking his gamer stats, he didn't like
that. So,
>> yeah, but I didn't think he was
shadowbanning them because I thought he
made It's my understanding that he makes
the algorithm completely transparent.
So, I don't know if he's got an
algorithm
>> plus some like anorak tools. Deep cut
reference for anybody that gets that. I
already love you. Uh, so I don't know if
he's got like that set of anorak tools
or if he's uh
>> just so convinced nobody's going to go
through the algorithm. I don't know that
that one seems impossible, but that that
makes me very sad. But hey, it is what
it is. I still think he is the greatest
entrepreneur literally ever to do it. Uh
so don't be surprised when I champion
his entrepreneurial things. But his take
on free speech if what Matt Taibbe is
saying is correct. And then with what I
have seen with my own eyes about calling
the left radical leftist, I don't want
to overgeneralize what he said, uh as
evil,
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after Charlie Kirk's assassination, uh
we give our empathy to Erica Kirk and
his two young children. Um his legacy is
being debated right now. Uh, Destiny is
probably the most vocal on the left
that's talking about it. There's memes
and Tik Toks of people dancing on the
grave. I'm not saying that. Let's keep
it professional. Let's see keep it
courteous. Let's keep it respectful.
Right.
>> Um, I want to first jump into the
destiny that the conservatives need to
be afraid of getting killed.
>> Yeah, this is wild.
>> Because I'm hearing a lot of people on
the left say, "Well, wait, that wasn't
the context in which he was saying it."
And you know where I'm going with that
next cuz your boy Charlie said some
things. And I'm hearing a bunch of
people on the right saying, "Well,
that's not the context in which he meant
it." So, let's talk about context now.
So, let's jump into Destiny's first.
>> Here it is.
>> Cox has made it clear that their
investigation has now established that
he had been radicalized by a leftist
ideology which drove him to do this.
That's just
>> I'm sorry. Excuse me. When
>> yesterday you said that the governor
>> No, no, no. When was he radicalized? In
the six months that that he did remote
college. I don't know when he was
radicalized, but I do know I do know the
very reasonable founding governor of
Utah has made it clear that the You may
not want to hear this ongoing
investigation.
>> You may not want to hear it, Destiny,
but the the reality is the investigators
according to the governor of Utah have
established that he was radicalized to a
leftist ideology that drove him to
murder Charlie Kirk. Now, let me just
ask you
to deal with it. You're living accusing
the governor of lying. That's your
prerogative. But but
>> with the information that we have now
>> Mhm.
>> there's no way in my opinion to believe
that this guy wasn't radicalized by
trans ideology
>> cuz he's dating a trans person. He's
radicalized by trans
>> in a relationship with a trans person.
>> So that means he kills people.
>> He said the only thing I care about is
protecting you. Uh he put memes on the
bullets about trans ideology. So I'm
what? He also, can we not skip over? He
[ __ ] murdered Charlie Kirk. It It's
like the biggest glowing red. Like, hey,
tell me you've been radicalized without
telling me you've been radicalized. He
shot somebody. So, he shot somebody
specifically saying this guy's too
hateful. I have to kill him.
Okay. So
which element of hate do you think
sparked that?
>> I mean Charlie Craig had a list so I
don't know which I don't know how to
answer that.
>> Like this this is like um when you and I
were talking before we started rolling
camera and I said every if I try to map
your worldview and I leave out race I'm
always going to be confused. And this to
me is like if you leave out the role of
trans ideology, you're going to be
confused by this kid's behavior. Like
>> what does that term even mean? Trans
ideology
>> that he believes that uh now I'm
extrapolating based on the things that
he's put. What I mean when I say that's
coming a talking point
is uh that
words are violence against that
community that they uh are at risk of
eraser via things like misgendering.
um denying that they exist, saying that
it's a mental illness, all of that
stuff. And so if you are doing those
things, you are literally putting their
lives at risk. So the act of saying
those things warrants a physically
violent response that when I say trans
ideal trans ideology, let me be very
clear.
>> Radical trans ideology, that's what I'm
talking about. Now, when I go, "Oh, let
what just happened?" Uh, somebody who
was dating a trans person um
killed somebody literally who's known
for uh talking about trans issues and
has said that they think this person's
hate has just reached a level where they
have to do something about it, then I'm
like, "Oh, yeah, that all makes sense."
If I try to map it to something else, it
becomes far more confusing. Now, if his
roommate is black and he's like
convinced that Charlie Kirk is racist,
then okay, then I could buy it. But as
far as I know, he's not. I don't know
that. So, I suppose, but I haven't heard
anybody talk about that. So, I'm
guessing that's not the case. So, again,
it's possible. That's why I say the
information that we have now, AAM's
razor, is like that's the read.
>> If over time more information comes out
and it's like, no, it wasn't that at
all. It was totally something else. the
tweets were faked or uh that the hatred
really was something else and the guy
just comes out and tells us, "No, that's
totally coincident. I hated him for
this." Okay, cool. Then I'll be like,
"Okay, this is the thing that he hated
him for." Uh but the simplest
explanation is usually the right one.
>> Turns out to have been somebody with a
leftist ideology who wanted to shut up
Charlie Kirk. Would you condemn that? I
won't condemn anything until the
president of the United States can go on
air and say all of us need to calm down.
So you won't condemn the murder of
Charlie Kirk until
>> So this is Destiny's talked about not
this exact thing before but the idea
that I'm going to keep being unhinged
until high people doesn't always say the
president but like influencers on the
right either acknowledge January 6th or
whatever. And that one goes back to the
kayfabe, the WWE, the like I'm gonna be
theatrical until other people stop being
theatrical is what I hear him saying.
And I'm just that doesn't make any sense
to me. Not wanting to lead with what's
the outcome that I want.
>> So the out if the outcome that he wants
is to actually turn down the
temperature, then he would lead by
turning down the temperature. So you
can, in my opinion, rule out that he
actually wants to turn down the
temperature.
>> Yeah, Destiny actually wants to turn.
>> Correct.
>> I feel like he's a counter puncher. So
if he turns on the temperature and
everybody turns on the temperature but
except one party's allowed to go to turn
it up to 10 that his point his literal
next statement is I have to I can't give
that line up because other people aren't
giving that lineup.
>> So his actions would make sense if his
actual motive is to punish what you're
calling counter punching or at least how
I interpret counter punching. So they're
doing it. I'm going to do it back. I'm
going to do it just as hard. But you
don't realize we're spending more time
talking about Destiny's reaction than
what Donald Trump said on the day of
Charlie Kirk's death. Before he even
knew that the guy was trans, before he
even knew what the guy looked like,
before he even knew what happened.
>> We did talk about it last time. I'm
happy to talk about it again. I'll be
not equally condemning because I don't
think that Trump came off as unhinged as
Destiny's coming off. Got it.
>> But uh if Trump were doubling down on
his rhetoric like I'm going to keep
talking like this until the left calms
down, then I'm going to be like, okay,
that's stupid. Now, if anybody feels
like uh I'm saying the right has handled
this well, wow, I'd be very surprised by
that. We spent the first whatever 30
minutes of the live today with me
talking about the right is being just as
like unself-aware as the left. This is
wild. So, uh yeah, that that to me is
certainly not what I'm saying. So, I'm
happy if you play me a clip of Trump,
I'm happy to talk about Trump, but you
play me a clip of Destiny, I'm going to
talk about Destiny.
>> Yeah, we could I was just using
Destiny's point to explain it. So, we
can jump in.
>> But Destiny's point from where I'm
sitting goes like this.
>> Um,
>> I'm not going to turn the temperature
down until they turn the temperature
down first. That to me says he's not
somebody who's actually interested in
turning the temperature down. or he
believes the only effective strategy
with his uh passions and uh talents. The
only way to actually get the temperature
turned down is first to turn it up to
make everybody so hot and uncomfortable
that finally we'll turn everything down.
Which is why he's saying they need to be
afraid. Did we pay play the part of the
clip