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The government is officially shut down
as Republicans and Democrats cannot
agree on how to move forward. Trump
calls for the military to be used
domestically. Trump has also though put
forward a peace plan for Gaza. We'll see
how that goes. And Sora 2 has been
released and is absolutely melting the
brains of anyone paying attention to the
rate of improvement of AI. This one has
to be seen to be believed. Let's get
into the government shutdown. There's
going to be a whole lot of debate and
drama over exactly what is happening.
Why are we shutting this down right now?
Maxine Waters, uh, in her own words,
let's hear what she has to say, hit it.
>> Do Democrats want to prioritize the
healthcare of illegal aliens over a
government shutdown? Because if the
government does shut down,
>> Americans,
stop it right there. We're not
prioritizing.
what we're doing is saying simply we
want to keep the government open and we
want to work with the Republicans and
have a
>> Okay, so just setting the stage uh and I
will certainly let Maxine finish uh her
own statements here, but it's important
to understand that the resolution that
was being put forward by the Republicans
is what they're calling a clean
resolution. Meaning it's not there's no
change in any of the funding. It's the
funding that we have now. We're trying
to get ourselves till the 21st of
November, I believe, roughly there
within a couple days of that. Certainly,
that will give us more time to negotiate
all of the specifics of health care and
other topics. But we're not trying to
put anything in. We're not trying to
hijack the system. We're not trying to
force something into this. We just want
a continuing resolution that's going to
buy us the time to do the negotiations.
This was done 13 times when Biden was in
office. So, this is not uncommon at all.
Now, often times people will try to
shove something into the continuing
resolution, which is essentially what
the Democrats are trying to do now.
They're trying to say, "Nope, we're not
going to give you uh any extension
unless you include these things." And
the Democrats are spinning it, saying,
"Okay, the real problem that's happening
right now is that they didn't consult us
on this." But why should they need to
consult you to get a continuing
resolution that doesn't make any changes
that just says, "Hey, status quo until
we get ourselves the period that we're
going to need to negotiate this." Well,
now all of this is kabuki. All of this
is theater on both sides of the aisle.
Make no mistake about that. Uh,
everybody knew that this was coming up.
We had plenty of time to negotiate, but
nonetheless, this is a very typical
thing. Again, happened 13 times during
the Biden administration where they
requested and received a continuing
resolution. Uh, and so
this is like super common. It should be
very straightforward. And so for them to
act like this is a politics is madness.
All right, back to Maxine
>> agreement to keep this government open
and healthcare is at the top of our
agenda.
>> But are Democrats demanding healthc care
for illegal aliens?
>> That's right.
>> Democrats are demanding health care for
everybody.
We want to save lives. Well, she said
the quiet part out loud. She's in a
second here. She's going to not try to
backtrack it at all, but she's going to
go after the reporter for basically
continuing to ask a divisive question.
And fair enough, uh, this woman has an
agenda. She is there specifically to get
Maxine Waters to admit what she just
admitted, which is that this is about
getting healthc care for everybody. Uh,
there's a clip from 2019. In fact, we'll
we'll finish this and I'm going to play
a clip from 2019, which is uh pretty
shocking. All right, regarding this
exact topic, but let's let's let Maxine
Waters finish her statement about who we
want healthcare for.
>> Healthcare is available to those who
would die, but having the help of their
government.
>> So, you're good with a government
shutdown, even if it means giving
healthcare to people who aren't American
citizens?
>> Well, you can't. That's what you're
pushing on. What you're trying to do is
you're standing here and you're trying
to make me say that somehow we're going
to put non-citizens over Americans. Quit
it. Look, I'm sure the Republicans in
their desperate desire to play political
theater. Would love to hear anybody on
the Democratic side say that we're going
to put um illegal aliens above people
that are actual citizens. I don't think
I don't think that they necessarily even
want that. You don't have to go that far
for this to be something that is deeply
problematic to a nation that has buried
its young under a mountain of debt that
has made uh political violence as a
result of economic problems. Mark my
words, all of this goes back to the
economy. It never feels like political
violence when it's happening. But this
is why you can look at a spreadsheet of
what's going on in America and go, "Oh,
I bet there's political violence right
now." Okay? You don't have to look any
farther than that. Humans have a finite
number of personality traits. And this
is why history rhymes. And when you put
people in a position where they are
economically uncertain, where they have
all of this anxiety, where you as a
government are stealing their purchasing
power through inflation, you are going
to end up in a situation like this. And
so you don't have to put illegal aliens
above the American people to say we want
to create a bigger problem by saying we
want you to spend extra money, which is
what they want them to do. I believe the
number is something like an increase in
$1.5 trillion dollar.
This is also madness. Now, I don't want
to overly point fingers at the
Democrats. They're the problem in this
specific moment. Both sides are absolute
lunatics when it comes to the economy
and how much we're spending money. Let's
be very clear about that. The big
beautiful bill was an atrocity. That
puts us in an even worse position. We
are now in a situation where we have a
gun to our head and it's grow baby grow.
And if you don't grow, you are in such
catastrophic uh trouble that it is it is
terrifying to think how we're going to
back our way out of this. And the honest
answer is that I don't know that we are
in time to catch it. I fear that the
violence that we're seeing now is going
to continue to ratchet up. You are
almost certainly going to elect a
socialist uh mayor of New York City.
that socialist mayor of New York City is
almost certainly, excuse me, the real
face ideologically anyway, even if he's
not going to be the person of the um
energy in the Democratic party that
things are pushing that way. Uh and
that's going to make things worse. It's
going to sound good and make things
worse. And so, you're going to get this
flywheel that I I just don't know that
we're going to be able to interrupt.
This is so wild. Uh so again, you don't
need the problem to be that we're
putting illegal immigrants ahead of
American citizens. Simply including them
means that we are going to have to spend
more money. Entitlements are the
problem. Entitlements are where we're
spending the money. And if we don't
solve for entitlements, we're really
going to be in trouble. Okay? If they're
trying to shuck and jive, they're trying
to hide from the fact that this is what
they want. With every passing day, I
become more convinced that the real
problem is that what they are trying to
do is import voters. Uh it would
certainly make a lot of sense. So, with
that in mind, let's I'm going to let her
go. She's going to chastise her for a
second and then I want to play the clip
from 2019
uh where you've got people running for I
believe it's uh running for the uh
primary the Democratic primary for the
2020 election and they are asked a
question about whether illegal
immigrants should be covered uh with
healthcare and you will see for
yourselves what all of the candidates
said but let's let Maxine finish
journalism. We don't need. You are
divisive. No, you're not. You're being
divisive. No, please don't. You don't
need to ask that question. You're just
trying to get controversy here. You're
not going to get it from me. We
>> It's too late. It's too late. We already
got what we needed. Okay, you can pause
that. Now, let us go to
>> raise your hand if your government plan
would provide coverage for undocumented
immigrants.
Okay, for everybody watching at home,
every single hand uh was raised. So,
every candidate in the Democratic
debate, again, this is from 2019, but
every hand in the Democratic debate went
up. So, everybody that was going for, I
believe this is for president, um said,
"Yeah, my plan for healthcare would
include undocumented immigrants."
And listen, from just from a budgetary
standpoint, it is a non-starter. You are
in a position where you are burying the
young. I you don't have to care about
anybody other than the young. You are
burying the young
under a mountain of debt. You are making
it so that you have to print money to
meet the demands of that debt. And that
is one of the reasons why housing has
become so unaffordable.
And if you want to like oversimplify
this down to just what really matters,
as long as housing is inaccessible to
young people, there's no way for them to
escape the horrifying effects of
inflation. And if you keep adding to the
problem, no matter how big your heart
is, no matter even if I'm wrong and
they're not doing this to import voters
and they just want to be kind and
generous, you can't keep raising the
budget. You can't do it. You are making
matters worse. You you might get elected
but you are going to tear the country
apart because the country is based on a
set of physics economic physics that
lead to psychological physics that cause
every country that has ever existed with
the exception of Japan that goes over
130% debt to GDP ratio for any extended
length of time and I'm talking like 18
months. It tears itself apart via civil
war or revolution. Okay? It's not even
that it weakens itself and gets attacked
from the outside. It tears itself apart
from within. So there is no escaping
this trend and
people are largely ignorant to that and
so they keep pushing for these things.
Politicians only make sense if you map
them according to one simple idea. I'm
going to do and say whatever I need to
do and say in order to get reelected.
When you take them like that, then all
of a sudden all of their actions make
sense. But that is precisely what is
happening right now. The government is
shut down because the Democrats want
for everybody healthcare and they want
the taxpayers to pay for it. It's going
to cost I believe the estimate is 1.5
trillion extra dollars for and it may
not only be healthcare that they're
looking for, but that is uh what I've
seen in all the reporting that I've come
across. 1.5 trillion dollars extra
just for just to get a continuing
resolution. If people have things that
they think that they can actually get
pushed through the system that balance
the budget and they want to cut things
so that we can give healthcare for all,
great. Now, I would say the place to
focus on health care is to actually
lower the cost because we already spend
per person more than any country in the
industrialized world. So that's a
problem uh because we have terrible
outcomes. So yeah, I would say getting
the setup right there so that we can
negotiate well. Trump is certainly
taking some steps in that direction uh
with what he's doing. In fact, do we
have the Fizer uh commercial? Not
commercial. Do we have the clip Fiser
clip where uh Trump basically tells
Fizer you guys are going to give us most
favorite nations? Yes, we do. So it is
right there in row 12. So this is where
I think we need to be getting to. We
need to be negotiating drug prices. We
need to be getting our the way that we
deal with health care to stop being
ridiculous because the prices that we
pay for what we get are absolutely
absurd. All right, hit it.
>> Today, I'm thrilled to announce that one
of the world's largest pharmaceutical
manufacturers and one of the best
anywhere in the world, FISA, has agreed
to offer countless prescription
medications at major discounts in the
United States. is a result of the most
favored nation drug pricing order
>> that we established earlier this year.
As you know, uh the United States is
paying sometimes 10 times more than
other countries for drugs. And a lot of
excuses were made for that, but went on
for many years, many many years,
decades, and it's not going on any
longer. We're going to be paying the
lowest price now. We're going to be uh
paying whatever the lowest prices,
favored nations. This will save American
taxpayers and consumers hundreds of
millions of dollars.
>> All right. So if if we can approach the
health care system from that
perspective, I mean I I am a little
shocked at how little noise there has
been about the fact that America has
been asked to pay for the development of
drugs uh that are then sold worldwide at
these incredibly cheap rates. but
Americans because of the way that we've
structured our negotiating abilities
with the uh drug companies uh is wild.
So I'm glad to see that Trump is making
moves in that direction. I think that
there is going to be a lot more that we
are going to have to do there if we
really want to be successful. But
getting everybody to focus on the real
issue of this isn't about um tax more
tax more tax more benefits to more
people. This is about balance the
budget. Balance the budget. This is
trade-offs. This is the world that
people don't want to live in. They don't
want to live in a world where you have
to make tradeoffs. And the reality is
there's no utopia. There's only
trade-offs. There is only we do this
thing, but it has this consequence. We
do this thing and it has this
consequence. And I want to see people
debate the consequences. What are these
things over here that are the knock-on
effects of the policies, the second and
third order consequences
that we need to address if we want to
make all of this work? And I'm telling
you like there are a simple set of
things that we can know that we can just
look at and go we have to improve that
thing.
>> You said this is an economic problem
through and through.
>> What if we approached it from a first
principles perspective? Let's just blow
up the government start all over. Do you
think there is a system in which and I'm
not talking about capitalism socialism.
I'm talking about economic budgeting
where we can afford health care in a
right way. We can make sure education is
available to all citizens and we can
protect our borders both from domestic
um intrusion like uh immigration and
international like polit like
international military action. Do you
think if we started all over and you can
reset up the the government budget for
2028, would we be able to just say,
okay, maybe social security got to
leave. That's cool. Maybe we can't do um
US aid anymore. We got to pull out all
our uh a couple close a couple bases in
West Africa. Okay, cool. But do you
think the government can actually first
principles pay for healthare allow our
citizens to be educated and set up in a
way that the economic pressure isn't
there anymore?
>> You've got whatever $4.7 trillion that
you bring in in tax.
>> So yeah, it healthcare is less than
that, but you would have to cut a lot of
things in order to pay for it,
especially if you're trying to make it
bigger by including illegal immigrants
also. So yes, you can balance a budget.
It will come with a lot of pain. It is
not politically feasible right now.
>> So, I'm certainly hyper aware of that.
>> It's 100% the re-election game. We're
not even
>> 100% the re-election. But the thing that
I will say needs to be in this
discussion is what happens when you
create incentives for illegal immigrants
to come into the country. What do people
think will happen? They will come into
the country. They will find a way. So
that's where I'm like, hold on. What are
you doing? Like your own party, whatever
10 years ago was like, uh, we absolutely
cannot allow illegal immigrants in here.
Uh, they will come and defraud the
government. They will find ways to get
healthcare and so we got to keep them
out. Now they're saying open borders and
by the way, give everybody free
healthcare. This is wild.
>> Oh, we're talking about the government
shutdown uh healthcare. Yes, these are
about uh Okay, I have a link for this.
Um this is about um the ACA tax credits,
the Obamacare tax credits. So it was for
people who already are a part of a
Obamacare program that are then getting
tax credits back. It's not just free
elim like we're tripping over free
immigine Waters clip.
>> But even in the Maxine Waters clip, she
said it's healthcare for everybody. It's
not healthcare for illegals. And at the
end of the clip, she says that's this
journalism.
>> She No, no, no. What she said was this.
We want healthcare for everybody. She
did not say we want health care for
every citizen. I really do believe,
especially because we played another
clip from 2019, but from 2019, every
single candidate for uh fighting in the
primary for Democrat president
>> um said that part of their policy would
include free health care for illegal
immigrants. So, dude, I'm telling you,
this is where the left is right now. So,
I'm just saying they can pretend that
that's not what they're about, but as
far as I can tell, that is what they're
about. And I think that they really are
trying to bring people that are likely
to vote for them. We are finding more
and more people that are registered to
vote that are illegal. So, we know that
there's some percentage of illegals that
are coming in and registering to vote.
>> So, it that just seems very logical.
It's there there's this thing and you
were saying it earlier um again when I
was listening on the stream that there
is this pathological bleeding heart
Democrat. We need to do everything for
everybody. So by no means if it's on the
table to get something for a illegal
immigrant. Some people in the Democratic
party don't even think that the term
illegal is a right term. So I'm
conceding on that. I don't think that
they're stouch about the border. That's
not my argument here. Specifically for
what's happening after the big beautiful
bill where they cut a lot of those
Medicare cuts and stuff like that. There
is now something on the table that is
set to expire that wasn't a part of the
big beautiful bill new funding and
that's where Hakeim Jeff and Chuck
Schumer are going on. So this is from
the USA Today. More than 24 million uh
Americans receive subsidies to reduce
out-of- pocket costs for health
insurance obtained through the health
insurance marketplace. This is the
marketplace created by the affordable
care act. A
>> this is all stuff that was dealt with in
the big beautiful bill.
>> It's yes it's to run out. So big
beautiful bill starts next year. So this
right now is what they're arguing about
is saying don't let these credit these
tax credits expire. Don't restart. Um so
it's new legislation and that's the gut.
But if Republicans come out and say they
want us to cut, they want us to refund
health care subsidies, American people
like well it's healthcare subsidies. You
shouldn't. But if we say hey they want
free healthcare for illegals.
Everybody's going to say hell no. I hate
the Democrats. And the Democrats can't
say I'm doing this for Americans.
>> But you're saying there's a political
game that's being played for sure. There
always will be. Yes.
>> But what I'm saying is that they are
asking there was a clean resolution put
forward that says just keep government
funding as it is right now. Buy us
whatever until just before Thanksgiving
and that'll give us plenty of time to
negotiate this.
>> That's what they did before to get us to
this thing here. And on both times the
big beautiful bill passed and all that
all these executive orders. So Democrats
now are saying we can't fold again
because we have no more uh congressional
power. We can't if if Republicans really
bossed up, they can push all the
legislation they want because they have
control of all three houses. So that's
why now the Democrats are saying this is
the last bit of power we have. So we
have to say you can't tread this line.
Otherwise, if they say let's push it
back again, what happens? Trump could do
another series of uh executive orders.
They could just pass a separate
resolution in the House and in the
Senate. It could get the majority of
votes through that way and then
Democrats have no leg to stand on at
all. So, this is a political I'm trying
to grab power, but it's not about I'm
grabbing power for illegal immigrants.
It's this is just a one line. You know,
Obamacare is the one thing that the
Democrats did in the last 20 years. So,
they don't want that to go.
>> Yeah. So, when you put something
forward, it's my understanding, and
please correct me if I'm wrong, it's my
understanding that just to do the
continuing resolution, they are asking
for an additional $1.5 trillion in
spending. That to me is just hard stop.
Nope. Definitely not. Like that is
>> but you called this we we spend a
trillion dollars every 100 days. So to
extend we take on a trillion dollars in
debt every 100 days. This is going to
make that even worse.
>> So I'm saying you that to me is already
a non-starter. So for me Democrat
Republican to stand up and say yeah just
do a quick concession of 1.5 trillion is
absurd. So
>> hey what's what's what's 1.5 among
friends.
>> Oh bro this is getting so crazy
>> 37. What's what's another 1.5? Right.
>> This really is getting crazy. And so,
uh, listen, I have a feeling that what
we're going to see in the wash is that
what is really being fought over is
that obviously the Republicans want to
repeal they would probably repeal all of
Obamacare as much as they can. Yeah.
This is why they're this is the argument
>> for sure. For sure. And now, is that the
right way to deal with healthcare? I
haven't looked closely enough at it to
be honest. I would have to really do a
deep dive into healthcare, how it's set
up. The parts of healthare that I know
and understand are set up so
ridiculously as to maximize the cost of
healthare. Literally
>> to maximize the cost of healthcare. It
is absurd. The only person that I've
seen take any meaningful steps towards
reducing that in the last 20, 30, 40
years is Trump. So, you've got to
>> Mark Cuban with the good eyes.
>> He's not in government.
>> Okay. Mark Cuban is a G for that. And I
think Mark Cuban and I are uh we
disagree on a whole lot of stuff, but
boy oh boy do I love what he's doing
from a reduce the cost of uh healthcare
from the drugs perspective. Absolutely
brilliant using an entrepreneurial take
on it. That is sexy.
>> So shout out to Mark Cuban. That's
amazing. But now Trump is actually
getting Fizer to fold and say we're
going to give you
>> preferred nation pricing. Bro, that is
huge. So, it's clear that Trump isn't
trying to uh like he isn't uninterested
in making healthcare more affordable.
He's approaching it in a way that I
think is way better for the average
American who I'm terrified for because
they can't afford a house, their wages
aren't going up, cost of living is going
up. he's actually doing things that are
going to uh remove the systemic problems
that make this an ongoing issue. And so
my message is, okay, listen, trying to
get something slid into this bill and be
like, we're going to hold a gun to your
head by going offline when during the
Biden administration, we did 13
continuing resolutions just like the one
you guys are asking for. But we're gonna
deny that because this is our last bit
of political leverage. That's gross.
Like this is something big. Yeah, you're
gonna have to be in the dog fight.
You're gonna have to negotiate. You're
going to have to find out where your
point of leverage is. But their only
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enough willingness to push the absolute
limits of what he can get through the
court system and he loves himself some
emergency powers. Uh so yeah, could he
do something as absolutely horrifying as
declaring a uh domestic civil war based
on something going on inside of Chicago
or Seattle or something like that? Would
he try it? Yeah, I think he would try
it. And would he use that to say, "Ah,
we can't have elections at a time of an
emergency." Now, I don't know what the
standing laws are about that. Hopefully,
we've got some sort of protection. But
could I see him try something like that?
Oh, yes. Yes. Very aggressively, I could
see him try that.
>> We should use some of these dangerous
cities as training grounds for our
military. National Guard, but military,
because we're going into Chicago very
soon. That's a big city with an
incompetent governor. Stupid governor.
Stupid. That's horrifying. I hate
everything about that statement. So, I
love law and order. It's beautiful. It
is an absolute must. You are not going
to get anywhere as a country if you do
not have law and order. But boy oh boy
do I absolutely despise
the language of calling American cities
war zones of talking about sending in
the military. Talking about treating
those American cities as training
grounds for the military that you are
saying that your own citizens are
combatants that you can use as the
tutorial level for what exactly? when
you heard Hegsth talk in ways that
seem to be
pointing the military more and more at
domestic targets. And I'm not even
saying there aren't some of those to be
dealt with with cartels and things like
that. There are for sure, but the way
when when we speak, we cannot help but
reveal ourselves. Okay, I get it. I'm a
guy on a microphone. I know I am
revealing the way that my mind works
constantly. I'm just saying these guys
are also revealing how their mind works
and they have such a and I think all
politicians do again I am not uniquely
putting this on the right but
politicians in a populist moment see the
other side as an enemy combatant and
they treat them as such they don't sit
down they're not looking for compromise
they are not looking to understand uh
well I know I'm not 100% right I know
I'm only one piece of this and I know
from an evolutionary standpoint that we
have to have both the left and the
right. And so we have to find ways that
both want to move forward together. We
have to find ways to see each other as
human. We have to find ways to not other
the other side. We have to find ways to
see all of us as Americans. And so
there's an easy way to talk about all
this stuff that wouldn't uh be further
divisive. So hey, let let's role play.
And by the way, welcome Drew. We'll
we'll find out later, boys and girls.
Uh, why Drew? Wait, wait, hold on. We
don't know that he deserves applause.
Now, if he just escaped out of the
prison,
>> it's definitely booze.
>> He He deserves applause. If he overslept
his alarm,
>> it's definitely booze.
>> Yeah. So, okay. Um, I I want to go back
to that though cuz I think right now
government cities,
>> it's now a good idea. When two or three
weeks ago when he put people into DC,
half the country was split. Wait, this
is looking a little bit fascist. We
shouldn't be having people walk around
the cities. But then on the other side,
it was, what are you talking about? The
the crime was cleaned up. 57% reduction.
We should do this in all cities. Yep.
>> And now we're doing it in all cities. Is
this a indication of a slippery slope or
do you think it's more of an indication
of just, hey, it worked back there, so
I'm just going to copy and paste this
all around and fix the problem.
>> If you've got kids in the house, now is
where you're going to want to eject them
out. So it goes like this. Um,
you can have sex with your wife. Well,
and you can have sex with your wife in a
way that will end your marriage
instantly. And so, if you know that your
wife has rules and hey, these are the
things I like. These are the things I
consider disrespectful, and you come in
and you do all the disrespectful [ __ ] I
would expect her to be like, "Fuck you.
Who are you? I don't know you. You're a
monster."
>> Uh, or same act, but done in a totally
different way with different context,
fully respectful, wanting this to be a
shared experience. thinking about the
unity of the two of you, seeing yourself
as a couple. This isn't just about me.
This is about the two of us. And what
I'm saying is right now Trump is
treating it like he can just treat these
states, these cities, however he wants.
It doesn't matter whether it's good for
them. It's just a fits my agenda. And so
to roleplay this in a way where I would
have watched that speech and gone, this
is brilliant. We need more of this. Uh
is hey everybody, we're maximizing the
lethality of our military. This is
great. there's no more um unequal
standards. Everybody's going to be held.
I I'm cheering for all of it.
>> Uh getting into like the all this woke
[ __ ] like we're not here for it
anymore. Like, okay, you didn't need to
go that far. It's like just tell people,
listen, we're in a really tough time. We
are facing an adversary who controls our
military supply chain. We can't have
that. We made policy decisions. You
don't need to name them because that's
just going to inflame people. We made
policy decisions that made a different
trade-off, which was inclusivity. I get
it. It's a beautiful idea. But when it
comes to the military, you just need the
best of the best. You need people that
meet a physical standard that understand
that war is grueling, that it's often a
game of attrition. So, we need people to
be the most hardcore people on the
planet. And so, we're going to focus the
attention, literally saying it in the
way that I'm saying it.
>> And then Trump comes on and he says,
"Listen, uh, law and order is the
cornerstone of any thriving democracy.
It is absolutely critical that people
feel safe in their own homes, in their
own cities. And right now we have cities
where people don't feel safe and secure.
And so we are going to be deploying the
National Guard into these um cities to
help out to make sure that law and order
is maintained. Uh we did this in DC,
things got a lot better. Here are the
stats of the way that things improved.
Listen, we understand this is a delicate
dance and we certainly understand that
we're in a populist moment right now and
that there's going to be disagreements
between the leadership in Chicago or
Seattle and us and it's incumbent upon
us to when we leave the city again that
people felt okay maybe I didn't
originally want them to show up but we
were treated with respect their focus
was very clear on law and order that it
was these are the laws that are on the
books we're going to enforce the laws
that are on the books we're going to do
it in a humane fashion and we're going
to do it by the book, but that's it. And
now, even though I'd be like, listen,
the guy has authoritarian tendencies,
but he never crosses that line.
>> You like you have, in my opinion, you
have a responsibility as a um leader to
set the tone. And
once you understand that people set a
tone that's going to get them reelected,
it all makes sense. He's not setting a
tone based on what he believes. Well,
let me say this. Uh he is not acting in
a way that will function to unite the
country. Now,
I'm willing to grant that he believes
the things that he says. They're just
horribly divisive.
>> So now you're in a situation where it's
like in a populist moment, you are never
going to elect a leader that will talk
the way that I talk. They're not
enticing. I'm not enticing in this
moment as like even I know what I would
need to do if I wanted to like quintuple
the size of the channel over I could
probably do it in 3 months. Uh I would
pick a side and I would just go all in.
And because I'm so verbal, I would be
able to make the best arguments for
either [ __ ] side. I would be able to
go ham and people would be able to come
and watch and I would WWE it would be
huge like emotion. It would be for one
side. It would just be pure chumming the
waters and I would just say this is it.
I would constantly watch my feed. Do
people like what I'm saying? If they
don't like what I'm saying, I steer
towards what they like. I would
literally do something like what they do
on QVC. I would see how many people are
leaving in real time. When I talk in a
certain way, what makes the number go
up? When I talk in another way, what
makes it go down? I would map that so
cleanly. I would know everything that I
needed to say to lead from behind. And
so what I mean by that is I would figure
out what exactly they want to feel and I
would make them feel that. And so they
would feel like I was providing
leadership, but in reality I'm just
watching the numbers. I'm just seeing
where they want me to go and then I go
there.
>> I do it with bigger emotion. I do it
with better words. And over time I would
really crystallize my message to the
things that I would uh I know if I hit
those that were going to do well. You
and I would break down. Uh here are like
the five topics or whatever. when you
talk about this topic in this way, we
can expect these numbers and we would
just cycle through them. Okay? So, it's
so easy. I've been doing YouTube for 10
years. YouTube is one big human
psychological experiment. I know exactly
what I would need to do. The problem is
it's not real leadership. Leadership is
having a goal in mind and saying, "I'm
going to take us to that goal based on
cause and effect." And that's it. I'm
going to steer by cause and [ __ ]
effect. And that's why even though I
know it's boring to hear me talk about
endlessly this is an economic problem,
this is an economic problem. I don't
give a [ __ ] I don't care if people want
to hear that or not. The reality is it's
true. And because it's true, if we
actually want to get where we're going,
then we've got to do those things.
Remember, I've already [ __ ] won the
game of capitalism. I can piece the [ __ ]
out, go to [ __ ] Singapore or the UAE
and just make a whole lot of money
because I actually understand assets and
I'll make a [ __ ] fortune. I've made
millions of dollars off of assets in
like the last 18 months. Millions,
[ __ ] And I'm screaming into a
microphone every day telling you guys,
"Hey, do the same." Now, your total
receipts aren't going to match mine
because I had more money to start with
because I understand entrepreneurship
and the game of capitalism, how it
actually [ __ ] works that you add
value to people's lives, they will pay
you for it.
It's cause and effect, okay? The world
works on a series of physics and if you
understand those physics, you can
actually get somewhere. So real
leadership has physics and it is hey I
actually know what will be beneficial to
the biggest group possible and I'm going
to lead us down that path. Now
admittedly that right now happens to be
about being in the middle. It's about
mapping compromise. It's about showing
people hey even if you believe things
that I don't believe. I don't trust
myself to be right. I also don't trust
you to be right. So, I know this is
really going to come out in a balance
between hopefully well-meaning sides
that come together to debate and that
have as a foundational principle. We
have to move forward together. Now, that
means I'm going to move forward with
things that I think are worse because I
don't trust any one person. I don't
trust myself not to trend towards
tyranny. I think everybody trends
towards tyranny. There have been very
few people that have been given the ring
of power that actually gave it back. So,
I'm not even going to be arrogant
enough, even though I believe about
myself that I would give it back. I've
never held it. So, I'm not going to just
assume that I'm that guy. Um, IPSO
facto. Sheesh. I I loved everything you
just said right now. Trump and BB have
released a 20point plan to end the war
in Gaza. Um, before I go, you know,
point by point, what's your initial
reaction about this? Is it one of those
sound good till it's done or
>> No, it's never going to work.
>> It's never going to work. I love it. And
you have to do something like you've got
to try. You can't just accept defeat,
but the reality is that you have two
countries. I know they're not
technically a country. I will refer to
them as that for convenience sake. Uh
you have two countries that have
ideologies that are so different they
are forever going to kill each other and
they are locked in a tit fortat. Uh so
what you have is on the one side you've
got people of Jewish faith and even if
they're secular Jews they are still in
the way that I am not Christian but I
have my entire worldview built on
Christian ideology whether they're
religiously uh Jewish or not they are in
steeped in that culture
>> uh going against people who have a
totally different faith and they believe
that uh to be um in line with God that
you have to be prepared to kill the
infidels. And so, and by the way, that
you will be rewarded with paradise. So,
until you overcome that, uh, you're
going to have a problem. There's
actually a really interesting clip. I
didn't pull it. This, it's always hard
to tell what things are going to stick
to my ribs over time. But, uh, Barry
Weiss had somebody on recently that was
a journalism in Israel, a journalist in
Israel, and he was trying to do a
feel-good story. I call a little bit
[ __ ] on that. I have a feeling he
knew exactly how this is going to play
out. Anyway, he went to uh do a
feel-good story on a woman who Israel
had saved twice. And the first time uh
was she was like when she was 5 years
old, she pulled boiling water down on
herself. So, she had all these crazy
severe burns and Israel will bring in
gazins that are severely injured and
they treated her and released her back
and even I guess helped her get a
college degree. And then she gets
recruited into a terrorist cell to be a
suicide bomber. And because she has the
ability to go back and forth across the
border to get treatment and they gave
her three options of targets to hit, a
cafe, a bus, or the hospital that had
saved her life. And she chose the
hospital that had saved her life. She's
going back to the checkpoint. They
realize that she has a suicide vest on
and uh she tries to detonate, but it
doesn't go off. And they have this all
on camera. And so this journalist goes
to her and and she goes to prison, but
they keep treating her for her burns and
all of that. So they've treated her for
burns twice. That's what he's calling
saved her twice. Uh they educate her. Um
and but they do put her in prison for I
don't know how long. Anyway, she ends up
getting out of prison, I think, is one
of the swaps.
>> And so he goes to interview her in Gaza
and is like, you know, basically they've
been good to you twice. do you like
here's the video of you trying to
detonate the bomb and she's having this
big emotional reaction watching it and
he says um would you do it again and
she's like yes oh yes I would do it a
hundred times over and he was like why
like what do you feel when you watch
that and she said I almost tasted
paradise and so it's like if you've got
enough people and I'm not saying
everybody believes that but if you've
got enough people that are like that's
how you get right with God uh then
you're in trouble so I just don't see
how like all of the things that Trump is
trying to put forward are probably the
same kinds of things that I would put
forward. I've said from day one that if
you can't get
both sides to think about the future on
earth of their children, you've already
lost.
>> And the ideology is not on in this life,
how do I make things better for my kids?
>> And it's really interesting. And this is
starting to feel like, and I know if
people understood how I think about the
future of simulated worlds, they would
not think that I was cheapening this
stuff by likening it to video games, but
if you liken it to video games, this
person is in a loop of you keep amassing
resources that you use to destroy. And
because of that, you're never able to
build progression in the game of life.
You always think that basically I have
to lose this level and that sends me to
a better level. Now, maybe it does. I'm
willing to bet it doesn't. And so if
instead you went, hold on a second. I've
got to amass resources in a way that
make my children's life better and
that's how I move on to the next level,
it just changes the context and all of a
sudden it's like we do have to find
compromise. We do have to find a way to
build infrastructure. We have to find a
way to look at our own people and make
it beautiful for them. And yes, we've
been slighted and yes, we've been
wronged. And yes, there's been horrors
and tragedies and war crimes and all of
that. But at the same time, without
ignoring that, because you've got to
make sure that never happens again, but
you also have to find a way to propel
your people forward in this life on this
level of the game. And until we can get
people there, it just isn't going to
work. And so, I would love to find that
I'm wrong and that I'm being
propagandized and that the vast vast
vast majority of people uh do they just
want to make life better for their kids
right here, right now. uh and this time
around they're going to build schools
and they're going to think about
educating their kids and they're going
to get a thriving economy and they are
going to seek investment which by the
way is one of the 20 bullet points is to
make this place investable. Now, if you
have my uh belief system, my value
system, you hear that and you go, "Yeah,
exactly." Like, if you can get economics
to flood into this zone, now economics
creates opportunities. Creates
opportunities for people to what I was
saying earlier, if you want people to
live a good life, they have to work hard
to gain a set of skills that allows them
to make progress towards an honorable
goal. Progress is the like glowing red
thing. It is so baked into the
architecture of the human mind that if
people aren't making progress towards a
goal, they're going to be miserable.
Now, I say honorable goal on purpose
because if your goal is to tear somebody
else down, that is not an honorable
goal. Uh but if they can do that, man,
that'd be amazing. So, yeah, got to get
investment investment and that they then
have to turn that investment into making
things better, making them more
beautiful, making them uh more just.
man, you got to do it all.
>> All right. Uh, call me crazy if I'm if
I'm going off the rails here, but I I'm
seeing similarities in how you said that
this is more of an ideological debate
versus a territory debate versus a good
versus evil debate. It's my fundamental
belief is blue is red and your
fundamental belief is, you know, red is
blue. So, it doesn't m the all our
language, all our equating mechanisms
are all thrown off because we're just
calibrated fundamentally different hypo
hypothetically speaking, right? This
kind of gives me um a a sentiment of
like left versus right relations in
America right now where there are people
on the right that think it doesn't
matter what we do. It doesn't matter
what happens. The Democrats are too far
gone. Same thing for the Democrats. It
doesn't matter what we say. It doesn't
matter how much we show him. Trump's a
fascist and we're never going to save
him. Now we've removed the ability for
our kids to do better than our parents.
This generation is already acknowledging
that. So now think about the generation
coming up under us. Is it one of those
things where we are in effect going to
have a similar conflict to what we see
in the Middle East? But because we have
Starbucks and we have low-level
capitalism, we have something to do
every day. We haven't necessarily
radicalized as the people in the Middle
East who they wake up every day, they
don't have a lot of options. So then
they default to terrorism. you know,
over there if you don't have your own
business, if you don't have an
architecture, it's pretty much that's
70% of the econom the business is kind
of still going. That's why terrorism
quote unquote is a easier business
enterprise to recruit from. You know,
>> I think it's a little bit different than
that. So, that would make sense in a
country that's really struggling
financially. Uh whether it's piracy,
whether it's just outright threat theft,
corruption, whatever. Um, for sure if
that's the if culturally that's become
acceptable and now it's baked into just
the architecture of the way that your
country works,
>> um, then that's a huge pain in the ass
and you're going to have a very hard
time ever getting out from under that
because you you would have to address
the issue at the cultural level. Okay,
but let's set that aside for a second
>> and let's talk about the more profound
driver which is religion. So I think
that religion is an answer to an
evolutionary question. And the
evolutionary question is how do I get
150 people to cooperate flexibly
together and the way that you do that is
you give them something that's bigger
than themselves that will rally all of
them together. Now as humans we tend to
splinter off at around 150 people
because we can't really tell who they
are. And the way that we're able to
build something um even bigger that will
then go unify disperate people is by
having all these disperate groups still
be unified under the banner of we
believe in the same God. And so this
thing that's bigger than us tells us
this is what is true. This is what we
believe. This is how we worship. And so
when I find somebody that has all those
same things, what I'm really finding is
somebody that shares my values. And so
we can cooperate very easily because I
real, oh, you have the same like
representation of Zeus or you have the
you believe in Jesus or whatever,
Muhammad. And now it's like, oh, cool.
We're clicked up. We can cooperate
together against somebody that we
identify as an outsider. So it's it's
just another way of drawing these
circles. So the circle usually starts
with me, then it goes family, uh then it
might go like town, city, country,
religion, and then religion becomes the
biggest one that's really real without
an external threat that would make us
unify as humans.
>> That's about as big of a grouping as
you're going to get as religion. And so
when you've got that thing that is
anchored so deeply in evolution saying,
"Oh, this is an organizing mechanism and
that organizing mechanism carries these
these things that people are willing to
die for. Let's call them values." So
people have these values that they're
willing to die for and they are
transmitted through religion. Until you
reform the interpretation of the
religion, they're going to die for those
things. And so part of what we see, the
difference that we're seeing right now
is uh what Nichi said, the rough
paraphrase of the quote is um God is
dead and we have killed him and we will
never be able to wash the blood off of
our hands. Now the way I interpret that
and this maybe scholars disagree, but
the way that I interpret that that I
think is incredibly useful to
understanding this moment in time is God
conveyed a set of unified values. We
have killed off our unified values and
that is going to have such horrific
consequences that we'll never be able to
wash the blood of the people that we
will kill now that we no longer have
these values in place. There is a reason
that the most murderous regimes on
planet earth, the first thing they do is
eliminate religion. Because I can't have
you organized under anybody other than
me.
>> I can't have you believe that there's a
thing that's worth killing and dying for
other than me. And so now all of a
sudden, and in fact the this is why
people have to read the Goolog
Archipelago. First of all, break men and
women up as two separate groups. If I
asked you, one of these groups is likely
um to allow themselves to be tortured to
death, to be so tough, so gangster that
you can literally drill holes in them,
pull their fingernails out, [ __ ]
choke them, waterboard them, whatever.
And they will literally let you take
them all the way to death instead of
sign a confession of something they
didn't do. Do you think it'll be men or
women?
>> I feel like women are petty enough to do
t