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He is, as far as I can tell, one of the
most influential people, certainly on
the far right, maybe the right in
general. He's guaranteed to get
attention.
>> Do you actually think he was very cool?
>> Nick talks about being a big fan of
Stalin. I really hope we don't go down
that path, but it is [music] certainly
possible.
>> Nick Fuentes was talking to Piers
Morgan. He has captured something that I
think a lot of Republicans thought
Charlie Kirk had, thought Trump had,
thought it was a manosphere of the
podcast. But we're starting to realize,
no, this is an entirely different ethos
of people. And for some reason, he's not
going away. He's been banned. He's been
ridiculed. He's been quote unquote
reprimanded, condemned, he' been
disavowed. He's been told not to play
with the the grown-up Republicans. But
yet, he doesn't. He's still on Tucker.
He's still on Steven Crowder. He's still
on Pierce Morgan. What's your take on
Nick Fuentes and how he has been so
electric in the movement? I think he
sums up his own position very well,
which is we're done clutching our
pearls. We being especially young white
men, but I think young men in general.
And I remember watching this and Douglas
Murray just really had clarity on this.
And he said, "Listen, if you keep
bashing white men and saying that
whiteness is bad, it's some sort of
original sin, I guarantee you what's
going to happen is they are going to
band together. They are going to start
thinking of themselves as white first."
And you do not want people grouping up
based on being white first. That's
exactly what's happening. And so this is
a psychological principle. If you beat
me up and tell me that I'm bad, bad bad
bad for insert trait that I can't change
and then I run into somebody else who
has that same trait and I know they've
been treated exactly the way that I've
been treated, like all of a sudden I'm
going to be like, hold on, we're going
to glom on. And if there are millions of
us, like, bro, this is a bad strategy.
It was a dumb idea when they did it.
It's a dumber idea now that they see
what's happening and they're continuing
to double down. That's so dumb. The
youth is always going to take over. Do
you really want them to take over out of
bitterness and aggression? I would put
forward no. That's a terrible idea. I
don't know what they thought the endgame
was that they were really just going to
be able to feminize every man, get every
white person to back the off and sit
down and shut up. Like that is a dumbing
strategy. It doesn't work with anybody.
So, am I at all surprised by his rise to
popularity? I was when it happened. I
won't lie. But now as I look back and
math it, I'm like, "Yeah, this is
precisely what Douglas Murray was trying
to warn us about."
>> All right, let's jump into his um
interview with Peers. The thing about
Nick that I think gets him in trouble is
not his populism. It's not what he's
rooting for. It's not even his political
stance. It's that he belittles things
that I think are more important or or
sacred than people have. But let's go
into his thoughts on women for a second,
and maybe this can kind of color where
he comes from and how he became the
person that he is. Just to clear up one
of the many theories about you. I have
no idea what the answer is and you
haven't got an answer. But are you
actually attracted to women?
>> I am attracted to women.
>> You're not gay.
>> No. But I will say that women are very
difficult to be around.
>> Okay.
>> So, there's that.
>> And do you think they should have the
right to vote?
>> I do not. No. Absolutely not.
>> They should stay at home.
>> Well, yeah. Absolutely.
>> So, basically, you're just a misogynist
old dinosaur, aren't you?
>> For a for a young guy. I mean, I know
I'm the boomer. I know I'm the boomer
here, but actually, you're a 27y old
dinosaur, aren't you? Aren't you, Nick
Fuentes? Have you ever had sex?
>> No, absolutely not.
>> Wow. Says the guy who's never got laid
>> here. I would have never thought to ask
that question.
>> Yeah.
>> I was shocked when he was like, "No."
>> What?
This may be the part of the young male
experience that I am most confused by. I
remember being like 14 and it hit me one
day and I was like, "This is going to be
[ __ ] wild." And so for him to be
like,
I don't it's it is a bad frame of
reference to have adopted. I'm not
saying that I can't walk people through
the steps that have led us here, but it
is a very bad frame of reference to
adopt, to be closed off, to uh lump all
women together as if they are some
monolithic body, to think that while
women are very different, and I
certainly understand that there can be
frustrations to cohabitating certainly
with a woman because they view the world
so differently, but when you think of
them as a partner, unbelievable things
unlock. It's weird to me that he is just
so nonchalant. How old is he?
>> 27.
>> Wow, bro. That is
>> like he's making money at this point. So
>> Oh, he is voluntarily celibate. Make no
>> mistake. Like this is not a kid that
can't get laid. He's good-looking. He's
very charismatic. And boys and girls, if
you were confused, women go for charisma
before they go for just like rugged good
looks. And if you put together charisma,
fame, and money, like there are a litany
of women that would sleep with this kid.
>> I I guess the thing about me is similar
to you, there is this northstar, at
least I was growing up, that you kind of
go down two paths where it's like I need
to become the best person I can be so
that way I can then increase my value in
the sexual marketplace so that way I can
get laid, get a girl, have a family. Or
the other thing was like, okay, I
already look good. I'm going to just get
a girl then. So I feel like as a young
man those are your two options either
get better to get a girl or just get a
girl. So the fact that he is 27 he has
rose in popularity and he also is
voluntarily celibate. Like what is that
north star then? Maybe is that where the
hate is coming from? What what are you
using what are you doing with your time?
And I know that that sounds very trivial
and there's probably women in their chat
rolling their eyes right now but like
seriously as a driver for men that is a
incentive to become better. All right.
And so we talked about his sexual
orientation. Let's talk about something
that's actually like matters. This is
his comment about the Hitler is cool.
>> You say that Hitler was very cool. Are
you joking or do you actually think he
was verying cool? The the most genocidal
monster of uh the last 150 years.
>> Yeah. The the thing is my generation
we're just done with the pearl
clutching. You know,
>> you might be, but then your generation
hasn't gone through what Danny
Finkelstein's family went through. So
maybe maybe the pearl clutching has a
way to go for families whose whose
family members go.
>> Yeah, we we got all that. We you know me
me mom me mom m like we're you know I
don't even know who this person is. Why
is this person talking to me? This old
British guy is saying me mom got killed
by Hitler and
>> he doesn't find it funny when you say
Hitler's very [ __ ]
>> I don't care. I know you don't care.
That's fine. You don't have to care. But
he does care.
>> Does that guy care about America? Does
that guy care about me and my country
and my family? No.
>> The Hitler is cool thing to me is just
stupid.
>> I think Nick explains the point like he
certainly is able to articulate exactly
what it is that they find cool. It's the
same way that I feel when Nick talks
about being a big fan of Stalin.
>> It was December 18th. I remember because
that's an important date to me and it's
Joseph Stalin's birthday.
>> Oh,
>> I'm a fan.
>> You're a fan of Stalin?
>> Mhm. Always an admirer. These are
mistakes that history makes over and
over and just an ungodly number of
people die. So having some mental
defenses against those things is very
shrewd. Like there are things that the
immune system should respond to. Now
I'll admit we've had a cultural immune
system for the last 30 or 40 years that
has responded to gluten as if it's a
brain parasite. And that's dumb. But
that doesn't mean that there aren't
actual brain parasites. It doesn't mean
that there aren't actual things that the
immune system should be responding to.
And so when I hear him talk, it's like,
okay, we had an overactive immune system
that did really bad things. And so now
just shut off the entire immune system.
Everybody's cool. Like it's funny. It's
hilarious. H look, because of my time
with, and by the way, I hate it when
people say that um Hitler was the
biggest progenerator of genocide that
we've had. Do do people not know who Mao
is? Like, do people not know who Stalin
is? It that one is traumatic. There's
something about the Hitler was horrific.
He's one of the Mount Rushmore of
monsters. Let me be very clear on my
stance on Hitler. But man, people just
do not seem to know that Mao and Stalin
existed. Or if they do, they seem to
think that Hitler somehow is outpacing
them. Hitler burned really bright,
really fast, and he ran a PR campaign
for his [ __ ] But dude, Mao and Stalin
were orders of magnitude more efficient
at killing and it's just getting lost by
history.
>> Does he have a point where he says we
don't care anymore? Because I do think
that just like right now there's this
thing called black fatigue and we're
tired of hearing about black people's
problems. Leave me alone, DEI, whatever
like that. I don't care about slavery. I
don't care about none of that. None of
that doesn't matter. Get over now. When
Nick says that to the Jews, this 80
years ago, come on, wrap it up. Y'all
had a movie. Y'all got Shindle's list.
America first. Is he just kind of
perpetuating that we don't care about
the past anymore, we're struggling now.
Do something now. We're tired of clutch.
>> Make change. I hate to say it, but what
he's doing is exactly how you move the
Overton window. You don't try to nudge
it little by little. You yank it to
where you want it to be.
>> And that is exactly how you start making
the cultural change you want to make. Th
this is just the physics of how the
human mind works. You're always going to
get a character like this that rises up
because other people feel it, but they
don't know how to express it. He feels
what or he expresses what they're
feeling. People want to follow a strong
person in times like these. You've got
this guy that's willing to take all the
slings and arrows who survived all the
attempts to cancel, debank, all of that.
And so there is a sense that he's the
antibiotic resistant strain of this. And
this is literally what happens every
time that you go through these cycles
and somebody has to like shake it up.
So, my only hope is that he becomes a
fringe character and not an actual pied
piper that leads an entire generation
down a path where they're alienating
themselves intentionally. It's like,
"Oh, you're going to tell me that I need
to think about my race all the time.
Rad. I'm going to think about my race
all the time and point out that I'm the
best race ever." It's like, oh god.
Like, I really hope we don't go down
that path, but it is certainly possible.
We'll see. Does do you think Nick is
actually impacting how elections swing?
>> He's a real voice 100%. He will have an
influence to be sure. There's no doubt
about that. He is, as far as I can tell,
one of the most influential people,
certainly on the far right, maybe the
right in general that I haven't audited
closely enough, but yes, I think he's
influential. Now, how influential is a
question I don't feel I have enough data
to answer, but he is I mean he's
guaranteed to get attention. If you're
going to talk about Nick Fuentes, it's
good for content. Anything that's good
for content is going to have an impact
on culture.