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As the Quest Nutrition founder of a
early unicorn in the food space,
somebody who has fought against big
government when it comes to nutrition
and food and what's best for human
health. How does the new food pyramid
impact you? Um what was your initial
reactions when you when you uh heard
about it?
>> So this is incredible. I could not be
happier about this. So there is a
reality to be faced which is that you
are having a biological experience and
whether God whether the simulation
whatever um this universe runs on rules
and your cells react to food. So this is
why it drives me absolute bananas when
people just talk about uh Tom being
obese is purely a calorie problem. And
the thing is from the perspective of um
thermodynamics they are correct. You're
not going to get fat if you're not
overeating. There was not a single obese
person uh at the camps in Awitz. Right?
Nice and simple. I don't care what
disease you had. Uh you can give them
whatever medication you want. No one is
going to be obese if you give them no
calories. It's not possible. Uh but at
the same time, your body is a chemical
processing plant and chemicals can react
in weird ass ways. And so you can get
people to say produce additional heat
and that will burn additional calories.
You can give people substances that will
cause the fat to not be absorbed. I
mean, we know all of these things. So
the body is an incredibly complex system
and our food that we've been giving
people already has been engineered and
is doing weird [ __ ] things to the
body. Um, but it's also you are what you
eat. Your cells are made of the
substances that you consume. So if
you're consuming a bunch of plastic,
you're going to have a problem. So when
you tell people to eat a whole bunch of
grains, what you're telling them to eat
a whole bunch of, and most people still
do not understand this, when you tell
people to eat something that's made of
carbohydrates, you are telling them to
eat sugar. It it turns to blood sugar in
your body. Now, it may go there slowly.
It may have some of its effect blunted
by fiber content, but it is sugar. And
so what people need to ask themselves,
if there is, and this is a true
statement, if there is only a quarter
teaspoon
of sugar difference between in the blood
between somebody who's not diabetic and
somebody who's diabetic,
why does the body care so much about
sugar that it regulates it that tightly?
And then knowing that the body is
regulating blood sugar that tightly, why
would you tell them to eat a bunch of
[ __ ] sugar? Yeah.
>> And so people don't understand that a
loaf of bread is a loaf of sugar to your
body. It is going to break that down
into blood glucose. And so if you eat
bread, you're going to see a spike of
blood glucose. So, and there's a whole
bunch of other stuff with like the wheat
and why are we why are so many people
especially in the US responding to um
the uh gluten allergen and stuff like
that and it's a biomimic that um looks
like
>> forget there's a um cell in the brain
that looks exactly like the gluten
protein and so once you have a response
to it this is why people get brain fog
because you your immune system starts
attacking those proteins in your brain.
Uh so yeah, anyway, this stuff gets very
very scary very fast. So seeing people
finally understand what you should
actually be eating because your body
processes things based on a set of
rules. And so there's a knowing way that
you will respond to um animal protein
versus uh a loaf of bread. They will be
wildly different. Um
>> I'm excited. Now, I don't think that you
should force people to eat certain
foods. If somebody wants to get morbidly
obese and die, that's their business.
Um, but at least
letting people know what is true and
being more accurate. Now, they'll need
to update this because obviously we'll
learn things over time and maybe there
are things that we think are great, like
maybe olive oil secretly is terrible for
us. Who knows? We'll find out in the
fullness of time. Um, so I want them to
update this as things change. But yes,
uh this is a huge step in the right
direction.
>> Yeah. And then what do you think of some
of like the second and third order
consequences of this? Is it just one of
those things that if people eat better,
we're going to see the ramific
uh all of our health? Do you think that
it has that power to change our health
care costs and stuff like that or is
this just kind of the first step?
>> I think most people do not control their
um body. they don't have discipline and
so they're just going to eat. But at
least we're not lying to people anymore.
>> And so when
um
well-meaning people that are paying
attention aren't going to go, "Oh, I'm
supposed to feed my kids a bunch of
toast and cereal." They're going to be
like, "Okay, cool. I get what the ideal
is. Maybe some of that my I can't get my
kids to eat and so I'm giving them other
stuff. But at least I know what ideal
looks like." Um, so a step in the right
direction that I don't expect to have
any sort of big impact right now. The
big impact is going to be um
making food from ingredients that taste
amazing but are actually good for you.
That was the mission at Quest was we
wanted to make food you could choose
based on taste. You didn't have to worry
about being healthy. You just I like the
way this bar tastes.
>> Uh, and it happened to be good for you.
So that was always the goal. But um I
don't think education is the problem
anymore to be honest. Like anybody that
has you can get a free chat GBT account
and then just say what should I eat?
It's going to give you a decent
breakdown. Um it's getting people to
actually do it. Most people won't. So
unfortunately in a world of abundance
most people will suffer because they
have no willpower. That makes me very
sad. This is why I say AI making all of
our problems go away creates another
problem which is that most people are
not in control of their own mind. Do you
think that um somebody just put this in
the chat and it kind of stuck out to me.
Do you think that there is a
one-sizefitsall
to nutrition or is there there is some
nuance when you get personto person?
>> Okay. Uh I'm going to give you the quick
answer. There's a one-sizefits-all.
>> Gotcha.
>> Now, I'm going to give you the truth.
There's no oneizefits-all. And human
biology is
wild. It is crazy to me that um my
brother-in-law can eat every artificial
sweetener known to man in contents that
like I am expecting him to just fall
over and die.
>> Uh if I ate a tenth of what he eats, I
either start itching like crazy and
break out and like horrifying rashes. I
actually had that happen. Uh and or I
get massive fatigue and brain fog. Why?
I have no idea. I don't know what's
different. I don't know if it's uh
something that you could find in our
genetics and you'd actually be able to
see, oh, it's a combination of these 17
alals or if it's uh his microbiome and
he just happened to have a better hand
of it. Or one time when he was traveling
in the mountains of Cyprus, he got dirt
on his hand that happened to have a
fantastic microbe that he's been
carrying with him his whole life that
allows him to metabolize artificial
sweeteners. And I lack I have no idea.
Um, but yes, honestly there, like if you
said the magic question to ask is, Tom,
I'm about to be stranded on a boat for
three years and I need to come back in
perfect health, but I can only take one
food item with me. What food item should
I take? Do you know what the answer is?
Because there isn't an answer.
>> No. What's the answer?
>> Red meat. Hm. You won't get scurvy,
which everybody thinks you have to have
citrus or whatever to avoid. You do not.
If you eat just red meat, it's the only
thing where I'm like, if you isolated
just down to that, you'll you'll be fine
for years. Everything else is a question
mark. Um, if you like if you want to be
a vegetarian and you're willing to go
out of your way to make sure that you
find, oh god, all of the different
things you need to eat to get a full
amino acid profile, great. But you're
made of the things in that red meat.
>> You are not made of carbohydrates. Your
body can turn protein into glucose. You
don't need protein or you don't need
glucose.
>> Um, so I for a while lived on a 4:1
ratio of for every combined
gram of protein and carbohydrates that I
ate, I had four grams of fat. It's a
horrible way to live. And if you're not
careful, you go through something called
keto flu. But when I say that your blood
sugar be low, I'm talking like you're
getting warnings from your glucose uh
monitor. You do not need to eat glucose
to survive. So um you need fat, you need
protein, otherwise you're toast, but you
don't need alcohol, which is technically
the fourth macronutrient, and you
certainly don't need carbohydrate. Now,
am I advising that you live like that?
No. If you know how to eat a wider
variety of stuff, your microbiome is
going to be in way better shape. So, my
advice is eat the widest variety of
whole foods that you can get your hands
on. Um, but whole foods. Got you.